@@GarethDix in all honesty, i think i would start with either a 3 inch 4s or an air75, depending on the places you would like to fly. i have both and honestly i dont think anything else is necessary😅
@@strykerfpv 3inch 6s is my favourite thing to fly… I dread to think how many sets of props I would have gone through if it was my first though! I totally agree on the Air75 (or Air65) as a first quad if you’re flying analog though I love those little beasts!
@@GarethDix Im flying a 75 and loving it, having a lot of fun but I would like to record with some quality and being small (not noisy), I´been looking at this pavo20pro but what you guys would recommend? I would look in pavo pico but I would like more durability as well
@TheGuigotz I guess it depends on where you’re flying and how you want to fly it. The pico is great because it’s tiny and really quiet but it’s really more just to cruise around and isn’t built to take hits. This is pretty solid in comparison and has a lot more power but it’s a little noisier.
Appreciate the review! Recently ordered this as my first FPV drone. I have zero flight experience outside of the sim, and this video gave me a ton of buyer's confidence that I made the right choice so I'm reallyyyy excited to try this out! Your vids are inspiring me, new subscriber here!
Awesome let me know how you get on! Make sure you get as much sim time in while you’re waiting for it, it really helps when you move to the real thing (even if it’s not exactly the same)
I just ordered the Pavo 20 last night direct from BetaFPV, just to get the month long shipment process underway. This gives me a few weeks to source batteries, a DJI 03 air unit, lens covers and some extra props from resellers here in the states. I can't wait for everything to arrive!
It’s a shame that more people don’t stock the good BetaFPV quads. Getting a pavo20 pro in Switzerland is near impossible unless you order internationally
thanks for the mention homie! the pavo sure is enticing fot people focusing on just getting some cool footage or cruising around, and you can even push it to do some freestyle!
Hi! Very nice Video, I've got some Questions: 1. I also live in Switzerland, how did you get it, does BetaFPV ship into Switzerland? 2. How do you charge the batteries? 3. Would you recommend the dji avata 2?
I normally buy direct from betaFPV and they ship internationally, however this does take typically 2 weeks (can be longer depending on customs clearance). But heliffee.ch and fpvracing.ch sometimes get BetaFPV products in. The batteries are charged via a normal Lipo charger like this www.galaxus.ch/en/s5/product/toolkitrc-quad-charger-q4ac-xt60-100w-1-4s-rc-chargers-39134511 The avata 2 is pretty good as it’ll give you everything you need in the box without having to think about it. The problem with the Avata2 is that it’s over the 250g limit so you need a licence, insurance and are restricted on where you can fly it. It’s also not very agile and it’s lacking in power a little.
The Avata 2 is nice for learning the sticks, and it has some nice safety features. Do not skip DJI care refresh and do not fly without activating your care plan. You do miss out on learning a bunch of basic FPV skills though. Such as BetaFlight, setting up a non DJI drone or lipo battery safety. Getting a tinywhoop and everything you need to fly it, gives you a nice crash course in those areas though.
@brandon9689 unlike a lot of other FPV pilots I rate the DJI avata (and avata 2) for beginners as it’s the easiest entry, however in Switzerland you have to get a drone licence and insurance to be able to fly one which is an additional barrier for a beginner. The neo could be worth it in a future version but maybe not right now
I just got the Pavo20 Pro a couple weeks ago. I had a crash from about 100 feet in the air, accidentally disarmed and was not quick enough to rearm in the air. It crash landed in grass and did break the O3 cage and the antennas. I would recommend ordering the replacement parts kit on purchase. It was easy to swap out the broken parts and was back flying in less than an hour.
Did you break the normal O3 antenna or the smaller whip antennas that I used in the video? So far I still haven’t broken that cage but I do have a spare just in case!
@@GarethDix The smaller whip antennas is what broke, I had taken the original off to make the build look smaller and sleeker. The part of the cage that broke was the tabs on the cage that hold the O3 unit in place, the force of the crash sheered the tabs right off on impact.
@ryoannazuk949 wow! That must have been quite an impact. It’s probably lucky you weren’t using the bigger antenna as they snap fairly easily. But that’s interesting where the canopy broke. On my Pavo pico the canopy snapped on the top side so it would hold the o3 anymore I assumed this would be the most likely place on the pavo20 pro cage (even though it’s more reinforced). Not that I want to break it but there’s part of me that wants to test that out now 😂
My first FPV drone was the Avata. It was underpowered and I kept crashing it. I then got the Tanq 2 and until I lost it recently, it was my favorite. I also have a 3.5” 4s and a 3.5” whoop on 6s. I think the 3.5” 4s is great for flying and not drawing too much attention. The Tanq was REALLY loud and a few times I had people tell me how loud and “dangerous” it is. I just had a group of people at the hotel I’m at, stop and tell me how cool and quiet my 3.5” 4s is. I got the Pavo 20 Pro when it launched a while back. I didn’t really like it. I felt like it was underpowered. I kept crashing it like the Avata. Now, I like doing light freestyle and want the punch and power when I want it. I even put some 5 blade props on it and still didn’t like it. I ended up selling it.
I love flying my 5inch but as you said it is really loud as soon as you blip the throttle and it’s always seen as a danger by other people. Interesting that you felt the pavo20 pro was under powered… it is compared to my freestyle builds and maybe it’s because I’m comparing it to the pico but I felt it would have a little too much power for most beginners.
Nice vid man 👍 You know already, but for everyone else my first was the Cetus X RTF kit and it's a solid recommendation from me. Worked right out of the box, flys great, has good power, can do intermediate freestyle, camera is great, comes with ELRS, radio and goggles are fine. My only gripes are with the frame, it's hard plastic so although it does crash well it will break eventually, but you can get a new frame for $9 or use some E6000 like I did. My other gripe is the camera canopy, it's great that it's adjustable, but any crashes shifts all the way up top the highest angle no matter how hard you tighten the screws, making flying home difficult for a beginner. Some reviewers had problems out of the box, mainly with the non-Betaflight version, but I got the Betaflight version and didn't have any problems, so your mileage may vary (as with anything FPV). DVR works great on the goggles, battery life isn't great if you're constantly recording and I did have some corrupt files. I'm using a 64GB microsd card, which is the max it can take, but it only supports FAT32 which only goes up to 32GB so I partitioned it and haven't had any problems since. The Lite Radio 3 is perfectly fine for a first video game controller-style radio, but the tension on the gimbals is too high IMO and you can't adjust them (I have taken it apart to see). It was also annoying to connect it to my PC to use in the sims. I have an AMD CPU that apparently isn't supported, but I finally got it working by connecting to the front panel USB on my case because plugging directly into the motherboard doesn't work. I've since got the Air65 too, which is another solid first drone choice if you want to fly indoors, and I have the AvionRC Ikon 3 coming in the mail, my first 3" open prop! Looks exactly like a Quadmulla Siren F3 Split that I would have built as my first 3", based on Gareth's, but with a different VTX. BTW I've been flying for about two months after 130 hours in the sims 😂
That’s good to know as a friend asked me the other day about RTF kits and I looked at the Cetus x as an option, but saw how badly you cracked the frame and thought maybe it wouldn’t be great.
@@GarethDix Yeah, though that was a hard crash on concrete. It crashes into trees and on grass fine. The Pavo20 Pro is better in that respect, but I feel the Cetus X is better for freestyle. It all depends on how adventurous they're going to be off the bat. I started straight off in Air/Acro mode trying to fly like I do after all my time the sims! It'll probably last a good long while in Angle mode. Plus, is there really a beginner RTF kit that will take all the crashes and not break and that also has the ability to grow a bit with you? I'm not sure there is, but then you have a bit more experience than I do. I mean the DJI RTF kits are probably that, but it's a huge upfront cost, plus they still break and aren't as easily repairable. I use the Cetus X goggles and radio with the Air65 and plan on flying the AvionRC Ikon 3 with them too, until I feel like I need an upgrade. (If they bind, but they should). I dunno, they're all difficult to recommend because everything breaks in this hobby, it's just what will break the least ... and break the bank the least! I've been quite fortunate so far, but it has only been two months, I doubt it'll last when I get my Ikon 😂
I think anyone starting should go with an analog whoop… but like me there are going to be a lot of people that see the analog signal and think “nah” 🤣 The only DJI RTF kits that I know about are the official DJI ones which aren’t bad, but they’re still crazy expensive for something that you can’t fix when it breaks… so this is where something like this comes in. But if you don’t need DJI… then I think the route you’ve gone on is probably the best way to get into the hobby!
@@GarethDix Haha that's fair 😂 It's weird, I play my video games at the highest fidelity, but I'm fine with CCTV cameras from 1990 on my drone 🤣 Yeah that's what I mean, those DJI kits are sell-a-kidney expensive! When I saw this at $105 I thought that's not too bad, but then you said plus $200 for the camera and air unit 😱 My whole Cetus X kit + extra batteries + decent charger (ViFly WhoopStor V3) cost as much as just the flyable version of the Pavo20 Pro!! Like you, I do my research and therefore I went for the best value entry into the hobby that I could ... in my opinion 👍
I guess it's the experience I want more than the visual stimulation (with regards to the HD Vs Analog). I don't need to see everything crystal clear, I just need to see that there's a gap there that I'm going to hit 🎯 👍
I'm trying to get into fpv with a long-lasting battery and something pretty fairly small. this seems like a good choice but are you able to add a different batterie for a longer charge and if yes what batteries do you recommend and if know is there any other drones you recommend? Thanks, wonderful video
So you can add larger batteries to make it last longer but that does make it less agile which might be a good thing as it’ll feel way more planted. There’s always a limit to when the weight of the battery starts to reduce the flight time instead of increase it. So two things to consider. As you start learning FPV the concentration takes it out of you so unless you intend on flying long range around 4-5mins is pretty good. So you should be able to use an 850Mah 3s battery on it… however you’ll have to cut the little tabs off the frame as the battery will be too large to fit the normal slot. I haven’t tried this as getting 3s batteries where I live isn’t so easy. For long flight times though the happymodel crux35 goes for almost 10mins on an 850 4s battery. However it doesn’t have prop guards (so you’ll go through propellers when you crash) it isn’t the most durable and doesn’t have room to fit an O3 air unit
@WIL_FPV I’ve been so impressed with those motors I want to get some of those for a little 2inch freestyle build I’m planning. BetaFPV have kind of nailed it with their Lava series even the batteries are pretty impressive
It doesn't come with that functionality although you could add a GPS to it and get the return function... I don't think the "HELP!" button can be set up to stop it in it's tracks to hover though... but this will probably take more of a beating than the avata and it's certainly easier and cheaper to fix if it does go wrong haha. As a wise FPV pilot once said "If you aren't crashing, you aren't learning" - I've learned A LOT haha
As a total noob i agree...and most of negatives offers good lessons. I flew for the first time this summer. Started with the regular Pavo20(non pro)... Totally i have exploded 2 Pavo20 and 1 Pavo20 Pro. I have destroyed 3 03Air-units, 3 frames, at least one esc(aio) and one motor. A Pavo20 Pro is way more fun to fly than a simulator and you learn more due to all the imperfections. I would say that the logistics between China and EU is the main problem...
You’ve been flying a few months and you’ve already killed 3 of them? How hard are you sending it? 😂 Destroying 3 O3’s though is costly, how heavy was the crash? I don’t think I’ve managed to break an O3 yet other than the antenna and scratch lenses etc
@@GarethDix Yepp. But now they only cost 2/3 compared to the summer prices. Recent 2 months have been better, because i've learnt my lessons and improved my skills. Making them explode is easy. Just overshoot a split S into a poor dive attempt...then compensate by going full throttle. I did that into a car when i was a bit "pumped" over flying on my first ruin site. That compounds the costs. Today i will do some snow freestyle with a Babyhawk 03, but i still put more packs through Pavo20´s. The Babyhawk is better at chasing drifting cars on ice
I didn't run with any protection on the camera as it doesn't stick out past the frame (except for the lower part when I'm running a 25degree angle). That said I guess I've been lucky so far as my camera is still in one piece and I fly this fairly regularly (although I don't freestyle it so much). I recently printed an o3 camera protector for my brother for a different mini whoop but it should work for this too www.printables.com/model/555104-dji-o3-camera-frame-maximal-lens-protection-minima
great review one thing i noticed on the pavo 20 pro is that the screws tthat holds the frame to the vtx becomes loose sfter a hard landing or crash and needs constant tightning. i been wondering if anyone else has had the same issue. other than that great drone and couldnt be happier.
I hadn't noticed... but I went to check just now as the amount of times I've lost screws on quads but hadn't realised until I was doing some maintenance. I checked my screws and they're all still tight and I've been flying/crashing this for about a month. You can't even use locktite on those screws though because it will eat through the rubber and plastic.
i wanna fly tinywhoop because of its size and it being easy to transfer to a 5 inch drone later when I get more budget, but 4 minutes battery is so low, I think when I am flying I want to fly for hours.
The major trade off for me with tinywhoops is the flight time but then I have a load of packs and you can charge 6 of these at the same time with a usb charger (whoopstor) so I can be out for a whole day flying one of these no problem
@GarethDix , Im actually a beginner and im looking for my first FPV. Im considering this or the Pavo 25 or the speedybee 25 also ELRS version since i got the boxer crush. Im also considering the DJI set if o3 so i just needed the googles right? thanks for the reply
If you have a boxer crush running ELRS you just need a set of goggles to bind to the O3 air unit and you’ll be good to go. I think only the V1 goggles won’t work with the O3 but each set of the other goggles (v2, integra, goggles2 and goggles 3) all have differences in the way they work with the air units. Here I’m using the goggles 2 as they’re the most compatible
I actually remember seeing something about it not fitting as the camera is pretty large (although other walksnail units fit). I’m sure I remember seeing a canopy on thingiverse that can be 3D printed for it to fit
Yes the swiss system changed a couple of years ago to align more closely with the EASA guidelines (although no remote ID) so as long as you put your number on the quad and if it’s over 250g you have insurance you should be ok. There’s an app called swiss drone map which will give you up to date details of no fly zones and restrictions. It gets updated each day (about 16:30) in case of events or military exercises happening.
The Pavo20 is not $105 USD with a VTX. The camera/VTX alone is more expensive than the entire quadcopter. If you are new to the hobby, get a good analog tinywhoop. I suggest a mob8 but anything in the 75mm to 85mm class and takes a 2s battery works great both indoors and outdoors. They are very durable and very easy to repair, and get decent range for a tiny drone (400mw). You can fly them almost anywhere, and even around people with a commercial license as they are category 1 drones. This is not what you want. The Pavo20 uses an o3 which is an excellent high quality system and is great for cinematography, but as somebody who has flown both analog and o3 before you do not notice the high quality as much as you think you might. The o3 system has great range and penetration however has very poor dynamic range, and in turn gets nearly impossible to fly in dark locations. If you care about your money, buy a mob8 and a cheap analog setup. You will have more fun and enjoy much cheaper repairs.
So until recently I wasn't that interested in analog, but I agree a good analog whoop is a great way to get into the hobby and way cheaper for repairs etc... especially if you want to freestyle or race. I also agree that when you're locked into flying you the lesser quality analog signal actually isn't as big a factor as I think people think it is (although it depends on where you're flying). So I would always recommend an analog whoop to start with... I'd even recommend it over the vista/link dji system. However there will be plenty of people that will make a start in the hobby with DJI goggles and this isn't a bad option especially if people want to cruise around or do cinematic type flying. The O3 image quality still blows me away when I go back to it after a few days of flying analog or HDZ... but yeah the VTX costs are prohibitive which is actually why I like something like this where you can easily take it out and use it in another quad (I took the air unit out of my Pavo Pico for this)
I started with the Eachine Novice 3 RTF kit because a FPV youtuber was praising this quad to high heavens (someone that nowadays makes patriotic video's about tactical battle vests and tried to takedown other FPV youtubers video's), The quad was a total peace of junk and a arm broke off after the first crash in high grass.
Wow that must have been bad, I don’t think I’ve seen anything that broke that quickly even with the worst pilot (me) on the sticks! I’m always a bit weary of RTF kits but I’m sure there has to be a good one out there somewhere right?
Same story with my first freestyle RTF kit. The only part not in the trash is the goggles after a month. If I could do it all over again, I'd have waited a few weeks to do more research and purchase everything separately. A Radiomaster pocket, a Whoopstor, a meteor/mobula and cheap analog goggles is better than every beginner kit on the market.
What did you learn to fly FPV with?
...and what you recommend for someone new to the hobby?
@@GarethDix in all honesty, i think i would start with either a 3 inch 4s or an air75, depending on the places you would like to fly. i have both and honestly i dont think anything else is necessary😅
@@strykerfpv 3inch 6s is my favourite thing to fly… I dread to think how many sets of props I would have gone through if it was my first though! I totally agree on the Air75 (or Air65) as a first quad if you’re flying analog though I love those little beasts!
@@GarethDix Im flying a 75 and loving it, having a lot of fun but I would like to record with some quality and being small (not noisy), I´been looking at this pavo20pro but what you guys would recommend? I would look in pavo pico but I would like more durability as well
@TheGuigotz I guess it depends on where you’re flying and how you want to fly it. The pico is great because it’s tiny and really quiet but it’s really more just to cruise around and isn’t built to take hits. This is pretty solid in comparison and has a lot more power but it’s a little noisier.
@@GarethDix Thank you for the reply!
Appreciate the review! Recently ordered this as my first FPV drone. I have zero flight experience outside of the sim, and this video gave me a ton of buyer's confidence that I made the right choice so I'm reallyyyy excited to try this out! Your vids are inspiring me, new subscriber here!
Awesome let me know how you get on! Make sure you get as much sim time in while you’re waiting for it, it really helps when you move to the real thing (even if it’s not exactly the same)
thanks for the mention! lots of love from Switzerland ;)
Love your videos! I could never do what you do… my anxiety level just watching you push the limits was through the roof!
@@GarethDix thank you! Haha
I just ordered the Pavo 20 last night direct from BetaFPV, just to get the month long shipment process underway.
This gives me a few weeks to source batteries, a DJI 03 air unit, lens covers and some extra props from resellers here in the states. I can't wait for everything to arrive!
It’s a shame that more people don’t stock the good BetaFPV quads. Getting a pavo20 pro in Switzerland is near impossible unless you order internationally
thanks for the mention homie! the pavo sure is enticing fot people focusing on just getting some cool footage or cruising around, and you can even push it to do some freestyle!
No worries… I really love seeing how quickly you’ve progressed and can’t wait to see what happens next!
Hi!
Very nice Video, I've got some Questions:
1. I also live in Switzerland, how did you get it, does BetaFPV ship into Switzerland?
2. How do you charge the batteries?
3. Would you recommend the dji avata 2?
I normally buy direct from betaFPV and they ship internationally, however this does take typically 2 weeks (can be longer depending on customs clearance). But heliffee.ch and fpvracing.ch sometimes get BetaFPV products in.
The batteries are charged via a normal Lipo charger like this www.galaxus.ch/en/s5/product/toolkitrc-quad-charger-q4ac-xt60-100w-1-4s-rc-chargers-39134511
The avata 2 is pretty good as it’ll give you everything you need in the box without having to think about it. The problem with the Avata2 is that it’s over the 250g limit so you need a licence, insurance and are restricted on where you can fly it. It’s also not very agile and it’s lacking in power a little.
The Avata 2 is nice for learning the sticks, and it has some nice safety features. Do not skip DJI care refresh and do not fly without activating your care plan.
You do miss out on learning a bunch of basic FPV skills though. Such as BetaFlight, setting up a non DJI drone or lipo battery safety. Getting a tinywhoop and everything you need to fly it, gives you a nice crash course in those areas though.
@@brandon9689 thank you
@brandon9689 unlike a lot of other FPV pilots I rate the DJI avata (and avata 2) for beginners as it’s the easiest entry, however in Switzerland you have to get a drone licence and insurance to be able to fly one which is an additional barrier for a beginner. The neo could be worth it in a future version but maybe not right now
I just got the Pavo20 Pro a couple weeks ago. I had a crash from about 100 feet in the air, accidentally disarmed and was not quick enough to rearm in the air. It crash landed in grass and did break the O3 cage and the antennas. I would recommend ordering the replacement parts kit on purchase. It was easy to swap out the broken parts and was back flying in less than an hour.
Did you break the normal O3 antenna or the smaller whip antennas that I used in the video?
So far I still haven’t broken that cage but I do have a spare just in case!
@@GarethDix The smaller whip antennas is what broke, I had taken the original off to make the build look smaller and sleeker.
The part of the cage that broke was the tabs on the cage that hold the O3 unit in place, the force of the crash sheered the tabs right off on impact.
@ryoannazuk949 wow! That must have been quite an impact. It’s probably lucky you weren’t using the bigger antenna as they snap fairly easily.
But that’s interesting where the canopy broke. On my Pavo pico the canopy snapped on the top side so it would hold the o3 anymore I assumed this would be the most likely place on the pavo20 pro cage (even though it’s more reinforced). Not that I want to break it but there’s part of me that wants to test that out now 😂
As an operator of a tiny 12A Pavo Pico, this is interesting for me
I love the Pavo pico as it’s so small… but I have to admit I take this with me now as it’s a whole different beast
Really great summary of what this quad is and which is its target group.
My first quad was the geprc cinelog 25 v2.
I do like the cinelog 25 I got to test out a friends one (although it was the V1) pretty decent little whoop!
My first FPV drone was the Avata. It was underpowered and I kept crashing it. I then got the Tanq 2 and until I lost it recently, it was my favorite. I also have a 3.5” 4s and a 3.5” whoop on 6s. I think the 3.5” 4s is great for flying and not drawing too much attention. The Tanq was REALLY loud and a few times I had people tell me how loud and “dangerous” it is. I just had a group of people at the hotel I’m at, stop and tell me how cool and quiet my 3.5” 4s is.
I got the Pavo 20 Pro when it launched a while back. I didn’t really like it. I felt like it was underpowered. I kept crashing it like the Avata. Now, I like doing light freestyle and want the punch and power when I want it. I even put some 5 blade props on it and still didn’t like it. I ended up selling it.
I love flying my 5inch but as you said it is really loud as soon as you blip the throttle and it’s always seen as a danger by other people. Interesting that you felt the pavo20 pro was under powered… it is compared to my freestyle builds and maybe it’s because I’m comparing it to the pico but I felt it would have a little too much power for most beginners.
Nice vid man 👍
You know already, but for everyone else my first was the Cetus X RTF kit and it's a solid recommendation from me. Worked right out of the box, flys great, has good power, can do intermediate freestyle, camera is great, comes with ELRS, radio and goggles are fine. My only gripes are with the frame, it's hard plastic so although it does crash well it will break eventually, but you can get a new frame for $9 or use some E6000 like I did. My other gripe is the camera canopy, it's great that it's adjustable, but any crashes shifts all the way up top the highest angle no matter how hard you tighten the screws, making flying home difficult for a beginner. Some reviewers had problems out of the box, mainly with the non-Betaflight version, but I got the Betaflight version and didn't have any problems, so your mileage may vary (as with anything FPV). DVR works great on the goggles, battery life isn't great if you're constantly recording and I did have some corrupt files. I'm using a 64GB microsd card, which is the max it can take, but it only supports FAT32 which only goes up to 32GB so I partitioned it and haven't had any problems since. The Lite Radio 3 is perfectly fine for a first video game controller-style radio, but the tension on the gimbals is too high IMO and you can't adjust them (I have taken it apart to see). It was also annoying to connect it to my PC to use in the sims. I have an AMD CPU that apparently isn't supported, but I finally got it working by connecting to the front panel USB on my case because plugging directly into the motherboard doesn't work.
I've since got the Air65 too, which is another solid first drone choice if you want to fly indoors, and I have the AvionRC Ikon 3 coming in the mail, my first 3" open prop! Looks exactly like a Quadmulla Siren F3 Split that I would have built as my first 3", based on Gareth's, but with a different VTX.
BTW I've been flying for about two months after 130 hours in the sims 😂
That’s good to know as a friend asked me the other day about RTF kits and I looked at the Cetus x as an option, but saw how badly you cracked the frame and thought maybe it wouldn’t be great.
@@GarethDix Yeah, though that was a hard crash on concrete. It crashes into trees and on grass fine. The Pavo20 Pro is better in that respect, but I feel the Cetus X is better for freestyle. It all depends on how adventurous they're going to be off the bat. I started straight off in Air/Acro mode trying to fly like I do after all my time the sims! It'll probably last a good long while in Angle mode. Plus, is there really a beginner RTF kit that will take all the crashes and not break and that also has the ability to grow a bit with you? I'm not sure there is, but then you have a bit more experience than I do. I mean the DJI RTF kits are probably that, but it's a huge upfront cost, plus they still break and aren't as easily repairable. I use the Cetus X goggles and radio with the Air65 and plan on flying the AvionRC Ikon 3 with them too, until I feel like I need an upgrade. (If they bind, but they should). I dunno, they're all difficult to recommend because everything breaks in this hobby, it's just what will break the least ... and break the bank the least! I've been quite fortunate so far, but it has only been two months, I doubt it'll last when I get my Ikon 😂
I think anyone starting should go with an analog whoop… but like me there are going to be a lot of people that see the analog signal and think “nah” 🤣
The only DJI RTF kits that I know about are the official DJI ones which aren’t bad, but they’re still crazy expensive for something that you can’t fix when it breaks… so this is where something like this comes in. But if you don’t need DJI… then I think the route you’ve gone on is probably the best way to get into the hobby!
@@GarethDix Haha that's fair 😂 It's weird, I play my video games at the highest fidelity, but I'm fine with CCTV cameras from 1990 on my drone 🤣
Yeah that's what I mean, those DJI kits are sell-a-kidney expensive! When I saw this at $105 I thought that's not too bad, but then you said plus $200 for the camera and air unit 😱 My whole Cetus X kit + extra batteries + decent charger (ViFly WhoopStor V3) cost as much as just the flyable version of the Pavo20 Pro!!
Like you, I do my research and therefore I went for the best value entry into the hobby that I could ... in my opinion 👍
I guess it's the experience I want more than the visual stimulation (with regards to the HD Vs Analog). I don't need to see everything crystal clear, I just need to see that there's a gap there that I'm going to hit 🎯 👍
I'm trying to get into fpv with a long-lasting battery and something pretty fairly small. this seems like a good choice but are you able to add a different batterie for a longer charge and if yes what batteries do you recommend and if know is there any other drones you recommend? Thanks, wonderful video
So you can add larger batteries to make it last longer but that does make it less agile which might be a good thing as it’ll feel way more planted. There’s always a limit to when the weight of the battery starts to reduce the flight time instead of increase it.
So two things to consider. As you start learning FPV the concentration takes it out of you so unless you intend on flying long range around 4-5mins is pretty good.
So you should be able to use an 850Mah 3s battery on it… however you’ll have to cut the little tabs off the frame as the battery will be too large to fit the normal slot. I haven’t tried this as getting 3s batteries where I live isn’t so easy.
For long flight times though the happymodel crux35 goes for almost 10mins on an 850 4s battery. However it doesn’t have prop guards (so you’ll go through propellers when you crash) it isn’t the most durable and doesn’t have room to fit an O3 air unit
@@GarethDix Thank you so much all check them out!
Love this drone and it replaced my pavo20
How does it compare to the normal pavo20? It’s replacing my Pavo pico for sure!
@@GarethDix it is way, way better - more stable, more powerful, more wind resistant. Thats extra .2" and bigger motors are crucial
@WIL_FPV I’ve been so impressed with those motors I want to get some of those for a little 2inch freestyle build I’m planning. BetaFPV have kind of nailed it with their Lava series even the batteries are pretty impressive
Great review. One question, you didn't mention it but, I assume it doesn't have GPS hold like the Avata. Or the Oh S#$t button 😂 Thanks
It doesn't come with that functionality although you could add a GPS to it and get the return function... I don't think the "HELP!" button can be set up to stop it in it's tracks to hover though... but this will probably take more of a beating than the avata and it's certainly easier and cheaper to fix if it does go wrong haha.
As a wise FPV pilot once said "If you aren't crashing, you aren't learning" - I've learned A LOT haha
As a total noob i agree...and most of negatives offers good lessons.
I flew for the first time this summer. Started with the regular Pavo20(non pro)... Totally i have exploded 2 Pavo20 and 1 Pavo20 Pro. I have destroyed 3 03Air-units, 3 frames, at least one esc(aio) and one motor.
A Pavo20 Pro is way more fun to fly than a simulator and you learn more due to all the imperfections.
I would say that the logistics between China and EU is the main problem...
You’ve been flying a few months and you’ve already killed 3 of them? How hard are you sending it? 😂
Destroying 3 O3’s though is costly, how heavy was the crash? I don’t think I’ve managed to break an O3 yet other than the antenna and scratch lenses etc
@@GarethDix
Yepp. But now they only cost 2/3 compared to the summer prices.
Recent 2 months have been better, because i've learnt my lessons and improved my skills.
Making them explode is easy. Just overshoot a split S into a poor dive attempt...then compensate by going full throttle. I did that into a car when i was a bit "pumped" over flying on my first ruin site. That compounds the costs.
Today i will do some snow freestyle with a Babyhawk 03, but i still put more packs through Pavo20´s. The Babyhawk is better at chasing drifting cars on ice
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Do you protect o3 Camera some how ?
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I have got this drone
What do you think, Should I wait o4 lite? It should be same size like o3
I didn't run with any protection on the camera as it doesn't stick out past the frame (except for the lower part when I'm running a 25degree angle). That said I guess I've been lucky so far as my camera is still in one piece and I fly this fairly regularly (although I don't freestyle it so much). I recently printed an o3 camera protector for my brother for a different mini whoop but it should work for this too www.printables.com/model/555104-dji-o3-camera-frame-maximal-lens-protection-minima
great review one thing i noticed on the pavo 20 pro is that the screws tthat holds the frame to the vtx becomes loose sfter a hard landing or crash and needs constant tightning. i been wondering if anyone else has had the same issue. other than that great drone and couldnt be happier.
I hadn't noticed... but I went to check just now as the amount of times I've lost screws on quads but hadn't realised until I was doing some maintenance. I checked my screws and they're all still tight and I've been flying/crashing this for about a month. You can't even use locktite on those screws though because it will eat through the rubber and plastic.
@@GarethDix thanks for the reply
i wanna fly tinywhoop because of its size and it being easy to transfer to a 5 inch drone later when I get more budget, but 4 minutes battery is so low, I think when I am flying I want to fly for hours.
The major trade off for me with tinywhoops is the flight time but then I have a load of packs and you can charge 6 of these at the same time with a usb charger (whoopstor) so I can be out for a whole day flying one of these no problem
@GarethDix , Im actually a beginner and im looking for my first FPV. Im considering this or the Pavo 25 or the speedybee 25 also ELRS version since i got the boxer crush. Im also considering the DJI set if o3 so i just needed the googles right? thanks for the reply
If you have a boxer crush running ELRS you just need a set of goggles to bind to the O3 air unit and you’ll be good to go. I think only the V1 goggles won’t work with the O3 but each set of the other goggles (v2, integra, goggles2 and goggles 3) all have differences in the way they work with the air units. Here I’m using the goggles 2 as they’re the most compatible
Hi brother, can i put moonlight walksnail into that pro frame?
I actually remember seeing something about it not fitting as the camera is pretty large (although other walksnail units fit).
I’m sure I remember seeing a canopy on thingiverse that can be 3D printed for it to fit
@@GarethDix thank you!
@herotrojan1645 here you go www.thingiverse.com/thing:6766286
@@GarethDix thank you brother!! ❤️❤️❤️
4inch ballerina for long range :) can do your mountains!
4inch might be a little small for the size of the mountains here 😉
@@GarethDix One day I'll have to come show you how it's done LOL
@TorontoFPV you should!
Will this except for 4s 650mah I don't want to plug in in blow the fc
The ESC is only rated for 2-3s so I wouldn't go any higher than that.
What radio are you using
It’s is the Jumper T-15 which ergonomically is great!
q: is the european easa a1/a3 permit valid in Switzerland?
Yes the swiss system changed a couple of years ago to align more closely with the EASA guidelines (although no remote ID) so as long as you put your number on the quad and if it’s over 250g you have insurance you should be ok.
There’s an app called swiss drone map which will give you up to date details of no fly zones and restrictions. It gets updated each day (about 16:30) in case of events or military exercises happening.
@@GarethDix Much appreciated thanks! You earned a sub btw. Cheers.
Thank you! I’ll look out for your swiss adventure video!
The Pavo20 is not $105 USD with a VTX. The camera/VTX alone is more expensive than the entire quadcopter.
If you are new to the hobby, get a good analog tinywhoop. I suggest a mob8 but anything in the 75mm to 85mm class and takes a 2s battery works great both indoors and outdoors. They are very durable and very easy to repair, and get decent range for a tiny drone (400mw). You can fly them almost anywhere, and even around people with a commercial license as they are category 1 drones.
This is not what you want. The Pavo20 uses an o3 which is an excellent high quality system and is great for cinematography, but as somebody who has flown both analog and o3 before you do not notice the high quality as much as you think you might. The o3 system has great range and penetration however has very poor dynamic range, and in turn gets nearly impossible to fly in dark locations.
If you care about your money, buy a mob8 and a cheap analog setup. You will have more fun and enjoy much cheaper repairs.
So until recently I wasn't that interested in analog, but I agree a good analog whoop is a great way to get into the hobby and way cheaper for repairs etc... especially if you want to freestyle or race. I also agree that when you're locked into flying you the lesser quality analog signal actually isn't as big a factor as I think people think it is (although it depends on where you're flying). So I would always recommend an analog whoop to start with... I'd even recommend it over the vista/link dji system. However there will be plenty of people that will make a start in the hobby with DJI goggles and this isn't a bad option especially if people want to cruise around or do cinematic type flying. The O3 image quality still blows me away when I go back to it after a few days of flying analog or HDZ... but yeah the VTX costs are prohibitive which is actually why I like something like this where you can easily take it out and use it in another quad (I took the air unit out of my Pavo Pico for this)
I started with the Eachine Novice 3 RTF kit because a FPV youtuber was praising this quad to high heavens (someone that nowadays makes patriotic video's about tactical battle vests and tried to takedown other FPV youtubers video's), The quad was a total peace of junk and a arm broke off after the first crash in high grass.
Wow that must have been bad, I don’t think I’ve seen anything that broke that quickly even with the worst pilot (me) on the sticks!
I’m always a bit weary of RTF kits but I’m sure there has to be a good one out there somewhere right?
Same story with my first freestyle RTF kit. The only part not in the trash is the goggles after a month.
If I could do it all over again, I'd have waited a few weeks to do more research and purchase everything separately. A Radiomaster pocket, a Whoopstor, a meteor/mobula and cheap analog goggles is better than every beginner kit on the market.