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Honestly, I would say the Crescent City books by Sarah J Mass are worth a shot. There are adult themes and things going on in the books, as she is well known for. But it is actually handled well, fits into the plot, and doesn't overstay its welcome so far. The story is interesting, and it has some downright action-packed and brutal moments in it that are awesome. However, take all this with a grain of salt. As I learned with this author, she can turn everything on its head and not in a good way, and there are only 2 of the five book series out at the moment.
@Deni-mt9bj oh for sure there was that in the book, I just thought considering it was used in relation to the plot device for the book, and not just thrown in there for fillers sake, like a lot of those style of books tend to do, it would be a better option then some others.
Totally agree with you! Also it's highly annoying when there's so many romantasy books between the actual fantasy and you more or less have to look inside the book to see if it's free of spice. Nothing against spice or romance, but I want real fantasy where said topics are basically bystanders to the story, but not the center of it
@@sk4348 i actually prefer fantasy romance myself, (tho not interested in any of the popular series) but hate that it is mixed with with regular fantasy because they are so night and day. the bookstores aren't even consistent about it, like stuff like fourth wing and acotar is in fantasy while similar stuff such as plated prisoner and fbaa are in romance. which means if the reader wants similar stories you have to look in both sections and its really hard trying to navigate the fantasy section because its not romance. i think it would be good for both readers to separate the two so readers get what they want more easily.
Literary would be shelved in general fiction here. But romance would basically include smut, erotica and regular romance stuff you see in regency and contemporary. There is also paranormal but fantasy romance has started to replace that. It just needs to be better understood bc adult fantasy should be for books that focus on fantasy elements first. General rule of thumb is if you can remove the romance and still have a story then it’s not romance. If the story falls apart it’s romance first most.
But it is still adult fantasy, it simply has romance. This book isn’t focused on the romance, so it wouldn’t make sense to distinguish it as romance fantasy. Yes, I’ve read it.
The thing the botters me the most about those "romantasy" books is that they read like YA, in both the writing and the more superficial exploration of themes, and at the same time posess A LOT of gore and sexual content. It causes confusion, since it feels like the writters dont really know for whom they writting for, teens or adults. I loved your video tho 😂 your reaction was so funny
I also feel like many times the characters come across as very young/teenager-ish so when they are...partaking (lmao) it just feels wrong to be reading.
I think when you say "it reads like YA", you are probably referring to the fact that it has... subpar writing. Which is often the case for 90% of the books published in the YA genre. However, the issue comes when these subpar writers are also horny adults who are eager to write smut and 'adult' themes. So they go ahead and write these books, but because their writing capabilities are nowhere near actual literary authors, they just shoehorn it into the YA section where they know it will be accepted. Hence, there's no real audience they are writing it for. It's just their own smut fantasies vomited out on a page. Now, I'm not saying that ALL YA books are subpar. It is just that in the last few decades the genre has become so inundated with mediocrity that people don't even question it anymore.
There is a warning in the book telling you what it contains and the front cover isn’t subtle so the publisher or author cant be blamed on this one. Also for me this not proper fantasy it’s romantasy where fantasy is in the background and is just used for romance purposes which is why there is no major world building.
Yeah this is either gonna split into its separate category of Adult Fantasy or we're gonna find a whole new age range between YA and Adult 😂 Youngish Adult 😂 jk jk
SAME! it takes me out of the story honestly. in the ACOTAR series everyone is obsessed with chapter 55 yet my favorite one was 54 because it actually brought the depth of the story deeper.
Out of curiousity, what is considered smut? There's a big difference between sex for sex sake and sex for a reason. Are novelists supposed avoid sex in novels? I mean there are a majority of writers out there writing terrible sex scenes and a majority of such sex scenes are hetero (so that's a whole other conversation).
Anne McCaffrey’s “Dragonriders of Pern” had the same type of urge-sharing bond between humans and dragons. So it has been done before. I agree, it just isn’t for me either
You said you don’t read a lot of YA but you should totally read Aurelian cycle by Rosaria Munda. The dragons have are good and the characters are also good. The politics it talks about are amazing. Political fantasy with dragons.
See, THIS is more of what I was expecting. When I hear dragons, I think GoT, and one of the best aspects of GoT were the politics of it, the alliances, the strategy, etc. Instead we get a Danielle Steel novel with magic and dragons. Disappointed isn't the word.
Fourth wing was terrible. I just finished it and it started off good but then once it got into the sex stuff my god it was AWFUL. The best parts of it(dragons and magic) are about 5% of the entire novel
I think what makes the whole ‚feeling hrny bc her dragon is‘ situation even worse is that her relationship to her dragon feels kinda like a father daughter relationship doesnt it?😅 which makes xaden her step brother in some way….
Now that you got that out of the way The Aurelian Cycle is MUCH better. Dragon riding, excellent politics and digging into moral questions, excellent pacing and plot, intriguing characters, and just a little angst. I highly recommend it. Fireborne is the first book!
thank you for commenting this because I was looking for a book series that had the dragons and riding in it without the awkward sex scenes in it, I enjoyed Fourth Wing if it wasnt for the sexual parts, I thought the story itself was quite good
Hey Jóhan! Thank you so much for letting me sponsor one of your videos. Always loved your content so this is a real treat. I'm quite the dragon fan myself, but this made me think of the Eragon sort of mind meld, so imagining that in an explicit scenario did give me the chills for a second.
I’m cackling while listening to this. I happen to adore angsty teenage romance sprinkled amongst my grimdark. While kind of low key mocking myself for reading it.🙈 I haven’t had a chance to read Fourth Wing yet, but there is an uncomfortably large chance I will actually like it. But it will not be one of the books I take along to church.😅
You are a trooper, sir, and if I could, I would buy you that beer myself, lol. But you sound like me after I read the A Court of Thorns and Roses series, because a dear friend of mine asked me to. Started off well enough, but by the end, I was questioning the meaning of life 😅.
There is precedent in fantasy for doing something like this. I'm not telling you that you should like it, only that others have done this. I'm mainly thinking of Anne McCaffrey's Dragonriders of PERN series does this, too.
I agree. And if you were shocked at horny dragons, best to avoid reading about when the Queen rises to mate, chased by several male dragons and the actual consumation not necessarily consensual and definitely not gentle. I don't understand the use of h*rny or s*x to describe horny and sex. Wtaf???
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Congratulations that you made it to the end 😂. I dnf'ed it half way through...i simply couldn't go on 😂. In the beginning I found it was ok and I was interested which way it will go to...well, I'll never know 😆
That was the point of scene where her dragon didn’t shield her from his feelings, and then both main characters questioned their feelings because thought it was because their dragons felt this way. But they learned to shield, to separate their own emotions (at least Vi did, Xaden already knew how to do it but he was in denial of his feelings 🤷♀️😂) IDK, it worked for me 😁 I was facepalming and laughed, but I loved the rest of the story so all these romantic stuff didn’t destroy the book for me 😁
I'm a woman writing fantasy, a big fan of Harry Potter, but after this review I truly believe some women should just not write fantasy and stick to romance. This is just embarrassing XD. Alright, cue the angry women now XD
LOVE these books. I do admit, the first book to me is a little rough, and I personally felt like it needed more work before publishing. But by the second book her quality in writing improved 10 fold!
The book community as a whole needs to stop listing books as YA just because there is romance or because it is written with a female audience in mind. I'm only 2.5 minutes in and the amount of times he called Fourth Wing YA already has me screaming. Don't get me wrong, I found Fourth Wing mediocre at best but IT ISN'T YA!!!! It is adult fantasy. It's not good fantasy but it is adult. Same with Sarah J Maas's books in his last video that was called YA multiple times. While both A Court of Thorns and Roses and Throne of Glass started in the YA section, they are no longer considered YA and both are now listed as adult fantasy. Sarah J Maas's other book series, Crescent City, was released as adult fantasy. The reason this gets me riled up is because YA typically is marketed to maybe around 12/13 year olds to 18-25 year olds, maybe even some older people. There are scenes in these books that I personally wouldn't be comfortable out right marketing to 12/13 year olds. Sure, they can get their hands on these books and can even read worse online but it's different if these books are being out right marketed to them. Especially if there are scenes or themes that they might not be ready to come across. The same themes are out there in age appropriate texts. I don't believe in banning books and believe anyone should read whatever they like as long as they are aware before hand what it is they are reading. Just because a book is fantasy with a heavy emphasis on romance, written by a woman, and is marketed largely to a female audience doesn't automatically make the book YA or somehow less than other fantasy works.
I tried reading the books a little while ago and it gave off heavy YA vibes and everything about it felt immature and juvenile. I‘d assume that‘s why everyone says it is YA because it feels YA. Smut and/or violence don‘t automatically make something adult.
@@swab.9399 Yeah, because in the beginning he actually thought he was reading YA. It's only after the 50% mark that he started to change his mind, what he clearly adresses in the end. The OP's comment is definitely valid. It's a mistake that often happens in the whole book community. But this video was pretty clear about it.
Sorry about this 😅 I have heard other people address this book and Maas as YA. I am obviously no expert in the classification of these books so I hope you will understand. I do address this at the end of the video that I do not think this is a YA book! Thank you for watching 😊
Cuando leo autoras nuevas, no suelo buscar que han publicado previamente, pero en este caso por alguna razon lo busqué y me quedé un poco sorprendida porque todos sus libros anteriores se veian muy lejos de la fantasía y mas de "relaciones tormentosas" y pues al terminar de leerlo me di cuenta de una frase: uno nunca puede negar sus raíces 😂😅
Not every book is for everyone! I think to be a christian or not to be has nothing to do with the review of the book and repeating the same argument doesn`t make it better. Probably this book isn`t for me either, but I`m a little turned off (sic! I`m no dragon!) by this sarcastic style. So, there you have my honest comment, but I don`t want to offend you, I like your other stuff.
I really appreciate that you asked the question, "As a Christian, should I even be reading this?" I don't know anything about this book, but that's something all believers should be asking themselves about the media we consume. I'm glad I found your channel.
I felt the cringe through the screen. As a fellow Christian who loves fantasy, but not smutty fantasy(romance is fine, just off screen please) I won’t be reading this book. It just sounds not fun to me.
My feelings towards angsty YA marketed as Adult Fantasy : I DNFed "Atlas Six" at page 8. I don't mind it there is some romance in my Fantasy books, I don't mind if some things are implied but I rather not have the details. For example the explicit details from "The Green Bone Saga" and "The Broken Earth" felt unnecessary and added just for shock value. And I am saying that even though I loved both series.
Theres a reason that i rarely *aka never* read hyped up tiktok darlings that fall into the romance YA genre, its not written for me, and my TBR is hundreds of books long, I dont have the time to read shit like this that i KNOW i wont enjoy Sorry for your loss of time
Nothing better to follow up a lovely Sunday morning Church visit than with Fourth Wing 🤣🤣 I definitely enjoyed this a lot more than you did, but purely on a 'this is escapist brain candy' kinda level, hahah. Nice experiment, I loved the vlog style! 🤩
I think this was a pretty fair review. I liked the setting and the pacing and the representation of EDS and having a character who is deaf. But if you don't like enemies to lovers or explicit scenes, then for sure it's probably not the book for you, which is perfectly valid.
Yeah i really hate the whole enemies to lovers thing, mostly because of how unrealistic it is, it's like a 13 year old romanticizing the way two people simply don't like each other, i just can't take it seriously (especially when they make grown people act like horny teenagers), also according to most authors an "enemy" is just a mean person, like sure lol. I was gonna read the book but luckily my cousin warned me about it's actual "plot" if we can call it that.
This is a teen tv drama where the dumb prose is on and the author thinks that romance is p@rn. Why it has this much hype and this high ratings? Bc nobody will read it and rate it outside acotar fans. That’s it. And Twilight fans. That gives the level.
Thanks for saving me the read. I hate love triangles. A tad of romance is okay but I mean not too much. I love dragons, my favorite dragon authors are Patricia C Wrede though placed ya it's just good fun fantasy and you'd like it. Then Barbara Hambly. Bella L
The part about their dragons being horny is actually so… minimal? It’s talked about so much in this video that it sounds like it’s recurrent or super important but it’s not. It’s a single scene from the MCs POV who happens to be feeling what they’re feeling, but the scene is focused on HER, not on the dragons. It is weird to sexualize dragons and I did find it weird to read, but about the dragons themselves, it’s very minimal! I think it’s a bit blown out of proportion in this video, tbh!
I made it through The 4th Wing then it was time for Iron Flame, both audiobooks. Needless to say I couldn't make it through the Iron Flame. Between the narrator's burbs and teenie bop obsession with Xaden I couldn't finish. I was drawn to the dragons and magic powers of course but The Fifty Shades of Grey/Twilight/Eragon mashup was too much. All of the high ratings have to be from girls from the ages of 15 to 25. I thought I could make it through it but nah, I'm good.
I hated the atlas six too. So far i hate the fourth wing. How did this become #1? I am in the Divergent troope and expecting the hunger games troope soon. The love triange troope reminds me of Edward vs Jacob troope. Nothing new here just old troopes put into a blender and poured out.
Love your content LOAV. Keep up the good work. But why on earth are you bleeping out the word horny and sexual. What has the world come to when people on TH-cam can’t say “sexual” without getting penalized. How ridiculous
Me too i totally agreed with it. The way it has been hyped up the way it has such positive reviews. I was caught in this read the most popular to end up being disappointed.😅
This was the same issue I had with the book. First half was fun, school vibes, challenges, making friends, overcoming fears and using her knowledge from being a scribe to survive. ..... Then the second half happens : / . goes to ultra horny, and unhealthy obsession with Riorson and depletes the plot. When you were reading about his muscles I spat my water out! It sounds ridiculous when ya read it out loud. I cant stop laughing.
Scones & cream & jam look so delicious. But please, for the love of humanity, ask the Brits to rename "clotted" cream. The only thing that is supposed to clot is blood. Why would they use that name? It grosses me out so much!
Clotted cream is from South west England where I'm from. The cream is heated until it clots hence the name. It's the best cream you can get and we are very proud of it.😊
Dont love the romance but the dragons where awsome.😅 but your right. Who thinks horny dragons is a good scene.. and lighting. Then I never have ... again😂
Yes! More to the vlogs! For me, the problem with romantasy and romance in general, is that it’s only rarely about romance and almost entirely about sexual attraction. And the whole added dragon element? No. Just no. Absolutely not.
The bond isn’t that she’s horny because her dragon is horny-the bond in the beginning makes it hard to differentiate her feelings from her dragons. This emotional leakage, you could call it, is important-because the narrator tells us that dragon bonds become stronger each time a dragon bonds. The theory is also that Violet and Xaden’s dragons being bonded leads to the likelihood that they are fated mates as well. The plot is actually super interesting. The potential directions the plot can go are what make this book what it is. Romantasy isn’t for everyone. 😂
Because it's clearly targeted at them, tiny female "not like other girls" protagonist who is a fish out of water and has the baddest bad boy pinning for her...
@@educateyourself3872or a homosexual man. Nothing against any of them… but I haven’t seen a single review on TH-cam from a male who identifies as straight. It’s quite odd.
Yeah, I am questioning the romance between the two main characters due to the link with dragons. I loved it for the other parts of the book but the romance was the weakest part. Also do read more weird books. I had picked it up for the stencilled edges and it was before it exploded all over social media.
the worst part about this book was that the book without the screwing dragons and obsessed humans was awesome imo, she wrote a good book and added sex into it for no reason, I am 36 years old and was listening to the audiobook while playing BG3 and got embarrassed for the writer a couple times lol
Yes. It would have been better without the explicit sex. Also, I think that if a male author had a male character speaking about a girl the way Violet talks about Xaden, it would be heavily criticized if even published at all.
I think your conclusions are totally fair! I enjoyed Fourth Wing but I liked the first half a lot better for the same reasons as you. I'm more of an Epic Fantasy reader than a Romance Fantasy reader myself. I'd love to hear what your wife thinks of it XD
As I Christian after getting through BOTH books I needed to spend some quality time in the bible... I agreed to read through it with my sister and was SOOO Uncomfortable
First I have heard of it... I suspect it might be the last too.... It sounds totally like a rip-off of Anne McCaffrey's concept of dragons and dragon-riders anyway. Except, YA. I suppose you are too young to have read Dragonflight. Back it the day it was ground breaking.
Why do you act surprised. A lot of dragon books the dragon is mentally attached to their rider and share the thoughts and emotions. Inheritance cycle by Christopher Palani for example
Update: walking down the street, uncontrollably cracked up when you talked about this book stretching your imagination 😅 imagining dragons a little tooooo much
Everything in this book was extremely convenient. I understand your point about the dragons. I think it does sour the romance. Enemies to lovers are typically slowburn and it just feels like a plot device to speed it up to get to the smut. It also feels uncomfortable because until it gets to the se*ual bits, the MC reads like an immature 15 year old girl. Then suddenly, she acts like a p*rn star. It is ... jarring.
It is just Twilight 2.0, big media repercusion and publisized under the fantasy tag, may be good or an ok romance novel but also a terrible as a fantasy novel because as i said they use fantasy as the bait not as the main focus of the story.
I haven't read this book and I think I wouldn't like it either (magic shools, dragons and horny triangles are tropes I don't value much in general). However, I find quite distracting that you avoid so much using normal words like "sex", or "horny". I think it becomes detrimental for this review, because you end looking overly prudish and partial, instead of serious and objective as usual.
Darn, you've ranted too little, haha, I had to go watch other youtubers ranting about this book to satisfy my need of hearing a rant about a horny book. From there I learned that the book is actually more horny than you painted in this video :-)
Jóhan learning about Omegaverse for the first time =)))) anw, I also don't want to read about Dragon in heat, not the mystical majestic being I know being reduced to housed dogs
I like romance but not when it is described like this. Romance is a tool for writing i dont think it should ever over shadow the plot of the story unless the plot is specifically tied to it which is better done with fade to black. This is just smut
Fourth Wing made me genuinely surprised to learn Rebecca Yarros has a partner and a family after reading so much about how much Violet, sorry I should say Violence, likes to suck on tongues. Yarros's depictions read more like a sexually frustrated teenage girl's sprawling on what she thinks sex is like.
Wish there was more focus on the human-dragon relationship, like, sometimes there are whole chapters in which there is practically NO dialogue with dragons...
Should I read any other romantasies? 😅
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The Throne of Glass series will definitely be a roller coaster 😏
Honestly, I would say the Crescent City books by Sarah J Mass are worth a shot. There are adult themes and things going on in the books, as she is well known for. But it is actually handled well, fits into the plot, and doesn't overstay its welcome so far. The story is interesting, and it has some downright action-packed and brutal moments in it that are awesome. However, take all this with a grain of salt. As I learned with this author, she can turn everything on its head and not in a good way, and there are only 2 of the five book series out at the moment.
@@ghastlymagician3336I really liked the fist one but the second book in CC was just plain adult cringe content.
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@Deni-mt9bj oh for sure there was that in the book, I just thought considering it was used in relation to the plot device for the book, and not just thrown in there for fillers sake, like a lot of those style of books tend to do, it would be a better option then some others.
This is why I think fantasy romance needs to be marketed in the romance section as it is its own distinct thing from adult fantasy.
Totally agree with you!
Also it's highly annoying when there's so many romantasy books between the actual fantasy and you more or less have to look inside the book to see if it's free of spice.
Nothing against spice or romance, but I want real fantasy where said topics are basically bystanders to the story, but not the center of it
They should just make a new sections for romance fantasy.
@@sk4348 i actually prefer fantasy romance myself, (tho not interested in any of the popular series) but hate that it is mixed with with regular fantasy because they are so night and day. the bookstores aren't even consistent about it, like stuff like fourth wing and acotar is in fantasy while similar stuff such as plated prisoner and fbaa are in romance. which means if the reader wants similar stories you have to look in both sections and its really hard trying to navigate the fantasy section because its not romance. i think it would be good for both readers to separate the two so readers get what they want more easily.
Literary would be shelved in general fiction here. But romance would basically include smut, erotica and regular romance stuff you see in regency and contemporary. There is also paranormal but fantasy romance has started to replace that. It just needs to be better understood bc adult fantasy should be for books that focus on fantasy elements first. General rule of thumb is if you can remove the romance and still have a story then it’s not romance. If the story falls apart it’s romance first most.
But it is still adult fantasy, it simply has romance. This book isn’t focused on the romance, so it wouldn’t make sense to distinguish it as romance fantasy. Yes, I’ve read it.
The thing the botters me the most about those "romantasy" books is that they read like YA, in both the writing and the more superficial exploration of themes, and at the same time posess A LOT of gore and sexual content. It causes confusion, since it feels like the writters dont really know for whom they writting for, teens or adults.
I loved your video tho 😂 your reaction was so funny
Ig both😂
I also feel like many times the characters come across as very young/teenager-ish so when they are...partaking (lmao) it just feels wrong to be reading.
@@vcarr938 true. They read like she's 14 and he's 17
I think when you say "it reads like YA", you are probably referring to the fact that it has... subpar writing. Which is often the case for 90% of the books published in the YA genre. However, the issue comes when these subpar writers are also horny adults who are eager to write smut and 'adult' themes. So they go ahead and write these books, but because their writing capabilities are nowhere near actual literary authors, they just shoehorn it into the YA section where they know it will be accepted. Hence, there's no real audience they are writing it for. It's just their own smut fantasies vomited out on a page.
Now, I'm not saying that ALL YA books are subpar. It is just that in the last few decades the genre has become so inundated with mediocrity that people don't even question it anymore.
There is a warning in the book telling you what it contains and the front cover isn’t subtle so the publisher or author cant be blamed on this one. Also for me this not proper fantasy it’s romantasy where fantasy is in the background and is just used for romance purposes which is why there is no major world building.
I feel like the new adult fantasy (what this is marketed as on GRs) is fast becoming by word for YA level plot but smutty.
Yeah this is either gonna split into its separate category of Adult Fantasy or we're gonna find a whole new age range between YA and Adult 😂 Youngish Adult 😂 jk jk
That's how it reads. High schoolers pretending to be 20 so they can go around adulting.
The problem is the prespective and the writing. It's a lot of words.
That’s accurate. I want my fantasy high and my smut separate 😂
Wasn't new adult _always_ just YA but smutty?
“Just got back from Church-time to finish Fourth Wing.”💀
Yup 😆
…so my friend group we all decided to read it. 3 guys and one gal. The whole “I’ want to climb him like a tree” that just got us all.
Not Christian, but I also do not enjoy smut in my books. Thanks for the heads up, this would most definitely not be for me.
SAME! it takes me out of the story honestly. in the ACOTAR series everyone is obsessed with chapter 55 yet my favorite one was 54 because it actually brought the depth of the story deeper.
Out of curiousity, what is considered smut? There's a big difference between sex for sex sake and sex for a reason. Are novelists supposed avoid sex in novels? I mean there are a majority of writers out there writing terrible sex scenes and a majority of such sex scenes are hetero (so that's a whole other conversation).
Anne McCaffrey’s “Dragonriders of Pern” had the same type of urge-sharing bond between humans and dragons. So it has been done before. I agree, it just isn’t for me either
You said you don’t read a lot of YA but you should totally read Aurelian cycle by Rosaria Munda. The dragons have are good and the characters are also good. The politics it talks about are amazing. Political fantasy with dragons.
See, THIS is more of what I was expecting. When I hear dragons, I think GoT, and one of the best aspects of GoT were the politics of it, the alliances, the strategy, etc. Instead we get a Danielle Steel novel with magic and dragons. Disappointed isn't the word.
Horses are majestic, unless you watch them daily farting and trying to mate. Animals mating is gross. No dragon lust, please.
Fourth wing was terrible. I just finished it and it started off good but then once it got into the sex stuff my god it was AWFUL. The best parts of it(dragons and magic) are about 5% of the entire novel
Then would u please suggest me some best real fantasy books?.:)
You and Reagan both hating this book reminded me once again why you're my favourite BookTubers.
Thank you for your sacrifice 🫡
I think what makes the whole ‚feeling hrny bc her dragon is‘ situation even worse is that her relationship to her dragon feels kinda like a father daughter relationship doesnt it?😅 which makes xaden her step brother in some way….
Now that you got that out of the way The Aurelian Cycle is MUCH better. Dragon riding, excellent politics and digging into moral questions, excellent pacing and plot, intriguing characters, and just a little angst. I highly recommend it. Fireborne is the first book!
Oh I have heard great things about that one! Thanks for the recommendation!
thank you for commenting this because I was looking for a book series that had the dragons and riding in it without the awkward sex scenes in it, I enjoyed Fourth Wing if it wasnt for the sexual parts, I thought the story itself was quite good
So it turned out to be furrybait smut.
Hey Jóhan! Thank you so much for letting me sponsor one of your videos. Always loved your content so this is a real treat. I'm quite the dragon fan myself, but this made me think of the Eragon sort of mind meld, so imagining that in an explicit scenario did give me the chills for a second.
I’m cackling while listening to this. I happen to adore angsty teenage romance sprinkled amongst my grimdark. While kind of low key mocking myself for reading it.🙈
I haven’t had a chance to read Fourth Wing yet, but there is an uncomfortably large chance I will actually like it. But it will not be one of the books I take along to church.😅
Haha glad you are enjoying my pain 😆 I hope you will enjoy it if you pick it up!
You are a trooper, sir, and if I could, I would buy you that beer myself, lol. But you sound like me after I read the A Court of Thorns and Roses series, because a dear friend of mine asked me to. Started off well enough, but by the end, I was questioning the meaning of life 😅.
That series... I didn't get past the first book. I think this one could be much better, but way out of line with the sexual contents.
Christian fiction is a worthy video. I'm always on the lookout for Christian fantasy and science fiction. Christian romance is covered pretty well. 😆
It's definitely a subgenre I need to explore more!
As a Christian fantasy author and reader, I concur!!!
There is precedent in fantasy for doing something like this. I'm not telling you that you should like it, only that others have done this. I'm mainly thinking of Anne McCaffrey's Dragonriders of PERN series does this, too.
I agree. And if you were shocked at horny dragons, best to avoid reading about when the Queen rises to mate, chased by several male dragons and the actual consumation not necessarily consensual and definitely not gentle. I don't understand the use of h*rny or s*x to describe horny and sex. Wtaf???
Oh man, I was waiting for this review. This is awesome :)
However, I do find it strange to have a sponsor for a book you haven't read, in a review for another book?
Congratulations that you made it to the end 😂. I dnf'ed it half way through...i simply couldn't go on 😂. In the beginning I found it was ok and I was interested which way it will go to...well, I'll never know 😆
This was hilarious! Very happy to see you wearing your Christianity on your sleeve. Ybic
That was the point of scene where her dragon didn’t shield her from his feelings, and then both main characters questioned their feelings because thought it was because their dragons felt this way. But they learned to shield, to separate their own emotions (at least Vi did, Xaden already knew how to do it but he was in denial of his feelings 🤷♀️😂)
IDK, it worked for me 😁
I was facepalming and laughed, but I loved the rest of the story so all these romantic stuff didn’t destroy the book for me 😁
Yeah that's a valid point! I am really glad you enjoyed the book;
I'm a woman writing fantasy, a big fan of Harry Potter, but after this review I truly believe some women should just not write fantasy and stick to romance. This is just embarrassing XD.
Alright, cue the angry women now XD
I would like to recommend a 3 book trilogy from Rebecca schefaer. Not Even Bones, Only Ashes Remain, When Villains Rise.
Thank you for the recommendation!
LOVE these books. I do admit, the first book to me is a little rough, and I personally felt like it needed more work before publishing. But by the second book her quality in writing improved 10 fold!
I've read the webtoon about it
The book community as a whole needs to stop listing books as YA just because there is romance or because it is written with a female audience in mind. I'm only 2.5 minutes in and the amount of times he called Fourth Wing YA already has me screaming. Don't get me wrong, I found Fourth Wing mediocre at best but IT ISN'T YA!!!! It is adult fantasy. It's not good fantasy but it is adult. Same with Sarah J Maas's books in his last video that was called YA multiple times. While both A Court of Thorns and Roses and Throne of Glass started in the YA section, they are no longer considered YA and both are now listed as adult fantasy. Sarah J Maas's other book series, Crescent City, was released as adult fantasy. The reason this gets me riled up is because YA typically is marketed to maybe around 12/13 year olds to 18-25 year olds, maybe even some older people. There are scenes in these books that I personally wouldn't be comfortable out right marketing to 12/13 year olds. Sure, they can get their hands on these books and can even read worse online but it's different if these books are being out right marketed to them. Especially if there are scenes or themes that they might not be ready to come across. The same themes are out there in age appropriate texts. I don't believe in banning books and believe anyone should read whatever they like as long as they are aware before hand what it is they are reading.
Just because a book is fantasy with a heavy emphasis on romance, written by a woman, and is marketed largely to a female audience doesn't automatically make the book YA or somehow less than other fantasy works.
Have you actually watched the video till the end? He adresses this at the end.
@@SenneWi mean, the op comment is still valid? He keeps lumping it with YA when it's "new adult" fantasy. It's not meant for kids.
I tried reading the books a little while ago and it gave off heavy YA vibes and everything about it felt immature and juvenile. I‘d assume that‘s why everyone says it is YA because it feels YA. Smut and/or violence don‘t automatically make something adult.
@@swab.9399 Yeah, because in the beginning he actually thought he was reading YA. It's only after the 50% mark that he started to change his mind, what he clearly adresses in the end.
The OP's comment is definitely valid. It's a mistake that often happens in the whole book community. But this video was pretty clear about it.
Sorry about this 😅 I have heard other people address this book and Maas as YA. I am obviously no expert in the classification of these books so I hope you will understand. I do address this at the end of the video that I do not think this is a YA book!
Thank you for watching 😊
I was curious over the hype but not anymore. Thank you for sacrificing for the rest of us 😅
Cuando leo autoras nuevas, no suelo buscar que han publicado previamente, pero en este caso por alguna razon lo busqué y me quedé un poco sorprendida porque todos sus libros anteriores se veian muy lejos de la fantasía y mas de "relaciones tormentosas" y pues al terminar de leerlo me di cuenta de una frase: uno nunca puede negar sus raíces 😂😅
This was hilarious. Nice job.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it 😆
Yep, my experience was similar. I ended up thinking it was far ‘less bad’ than I thought
Sorry you had a similar experience!
Not every book is for everyone! I think to be a christian or not to be has nothing to do with the review of the book and repeating the same argument doesn`t make it better. Probably this book isn`t for me either, but I`m a little turned off (sic! I`m no dragon!) by this sarcastic style.
So, there you have my honest comment, but I don`t want to offend you, I like your other stuff.
I really appreciate that you asked the question, "As a Christian, should I even be reading this?" I don't know anything about this book, but that's something all believers should be asking themselves about the media we consume. I'm glad I found your channel.
I think EVERYONE should be asking themselves that question, religious or not!
Hey man!
How about a Dragon fantasy Top 10 list and/or Tier list?
Good idea 👀
@@libraryofaviking yoooo lets goo
Yesssss
I felt the cringe through the screen. As a fellow Christian who loves fantasy, but not smutty fantasy(romance is fine, just off screen please) I won’t be reading this book. It just sounds not fun to me.
I liked it until the sex scene then I DNF’d 😂 I’m Christian too
My feelings towards angsty YA marketed as Adult Fantasy : I DNFed "Atlas Six" at page 8.
I don't mind it there is some romance in my Fantasy books, I don't mind if some things are implied but I rather not have the details. For example the explicit details from "The Green Bone Saga" and "The Broken Earth" felt unnecessary and added just for shock value. And I am saying that even though I loved both series.
But are you talking just about the sexual themes, or other things in general too? Because shock value isn’t just about sex. Genuinely asking!
Theres a reason that i rarely *aka never* read hyped up tiktok darlings that fall into the romance YA genre, its not written for me, and my TBR is hundreds of books long, I dont have the time to read shit like this that i KNOW i wont enjoy
Sorry for your loss of time
Nothing better to follow up a lovely Sunday morning Church visit than with Fourth Wing 🤣🤣
I definitely enjoyed this a lot more than you did, but purely on a 'this is escapist brain candy' kinda level, hahah. Nice experiment, I loved the vlog style! 🤩
Haha definitely a big contrast 😂
I am glad you enjoyed it!
I think this was a pretty fair review. I liked the setting and the pacing and the representation of EDS and having a character who is deaf. But if you don't like enemies to lovers or explicit scenes, then for sure it's probably not the book for you, which is perfectly valid.
Yeah i really hate the whole enemies to lovers thing, mostly because of how unrealistic it is, it's like a 13 year old romanticizing the way two people simply don't like each other, i just can't take it seriously (especially when they make grown people act like horny teenagers), also according to most authors an "enemy" is just a mean person, like sure lol. I was gonna read the book but luckily my cousin warned me about it's actual "plot" if we can call it that.
This is HILARIOUS as to how kind of innocent this is. But curious...are we to be okay with violence of men and war and not sex and sexuality?
This is a teen tv drama where the dumb prose is on and the author thinks that romance is p@rn. Why it has this much hype and this high ratings? Bc nobody will read it and rate it outside acotar fans. That’s it. And Twilight fans. That gives the level.
I don't know why but I nope out when a book is marketed as smut
Oh dear.
Please avoid Nocticadia, I had the misfortune of reading it and cringed the entire time. 🤣
Thanks for the warning 😅
Thanks for saving me the read.
I hate love triangles. A tad of romance is okay but I mean not too much.
I love dragons, my favorite dragon authors are Patricia C Wrede though placed ya it's just good fun fantasy and you'd like it. Then Barbara Hambly.
Bella L
The part about their dragons being horny is actually so… minimal? It’s talked about so much in this video that it sounds like it’s recurrent or super important but it’s not. It’s a single scene from the MCs POV who happens to be feeling what they’re feeling, but the scene is focused on HER, not on the dragons. It is weird to sexualize dragons and I did find it weird to read, but about the dragons themselves, it’s very minimal! I think it’s a bit blown out of proportion in this video, tbh!
Something like that happend in Eragon too, Eragon was thinking in romantic way about Arya, and Saphira felt that too.
I made it through The 4th Wing then it was time for Iron Flame, both audiobooks. Needless to say I couldn't make it through the Iron Flame. Between the narrator's burbs and teenie bop obsession with Xaden I couldn't finish. I was drawn to the dragons and magic powers of course but The Fifty Shades of Grey/Twilight/Eragon mashup was too much. All of the high ratings have to be from girls from the ages of 15 to 25. I thought I could make it through it but nah, I'm good.
I hated the atlas six too. So far i hate the fourth wing. How did this become #1? I am in the Divergent troope and expecting the hunger games troope soon. The love triange troope reminds me of Edward vs Jacob troope. Nothing new here just old troopes put into a blender and poured out.
Love your content LOAV. Keep up the good work. But why on earth are you bleeping out the word horny and sexual. What has the world come to when people on TH-cam can’t say “sexual” without getting penalized. How ridiculous
Me too i totally agreed with it. The way it has been hyped up the way it has such positive reviews. I was caught in this read the most popular to end up being disappointed.😅
I'm definitely loving the vlog format
Thank you!
@@libraryofaviking you're welcome. As for the content of this book, I'll leave that to my wife to read 😂🤣
This was the same issue I had with the book. First half was fun, school vibes, challenges, making friends, overcoming fears and using her knowledge from being a scribe to survive. ..... Then the second half happens : / . goes to ultra horny, and unhealthy obsession with Riorson and depletes the plot. When you were reading about his muscles I spat my water out! It sounds ridiculous when ya read it out loud. I cant stop laughing.
😂😂🤣🤣 I love that you mostly share positive content, but these rant reviews are priceless 😂😂😂
Scones & cream & jam look so delicious. But please, for the love of humanity, ask the Brits to rename "clotted" cream. The only thing that is supposed to clot is blood. Why would they use that name? It grosses me out so much!
Love this comment 😂
Clotted cream is from South west England where I'm from. The cream is heated until it clots hence the name. It's the best cream you can get and we are very proud of it.😊
Tbh i liked that book but i am totally agree with what you are sayin ŞAÇSLWÇZÇAÇSÖAÖSÖ
Dont love the romance but the dragons where awsome.😅 but your right. Who thinks horny dragons is a good scene.. and lighting. Then I never have ... again😂
You read the dragonriders of perm, a scifi dragon staple?! :P
Yes! More to the vlogs! For me, the problem with romantasy and romance in general, is that it’s only rarely about romance and almost entirely about sexual attraction. And the whole added dragon element? No. Just no. Absolutely not.
It sounds like an attempt to modernize the Dragonriders of Pern.
Screw the book, how was the jam?
I wasn't following booktube for a while so when I found this video I wondered why you picked this book....Jesus Christ this book is EVERYWHERE 😂
I started and could not get pass the first 5 pages! First of all the use of modern slang in a medieval setting was a hard nope for me!!!!
Does he like game of thrones? Or fire and blood? Or does he only ready heavy dialog?
Honestly i was annoyed with the introduction to xaden. I knew i wouldnt like it aa soon as she got put in his wing
The bond isn’t that she’s horny because her dragon is horny-the bond in the beginning makes it hard to differentiate her feelings from her dragons. This emotional leakage, you could call it, is important-because the narrator tells us that dragon bonds become stronger each time a dragon bonds. The theory is also that Violet and Xaden’s dragons being bonded leads to the likelihood that they are fated mates as well.
The plot is actually super interesting. The potential directions the plot can go are what make this book what it is.
Romantasy isn’t for everyone. 😂
The plot is interesting? For me it was hunger Games plus dragons
Ugh not the "mate" thing as if it wasnt gross enough in acotar.
@@javierlopez9789 spoken like someone who’s never had a deep connection with another human lol.
@@carissawills7377 i don't even want to know what kind of relationships you have with humans in general if you associate it with the term "mate".
@@javierlopez9789 …it’s literally the term from the book, bro 😂😂😂
Why are only women talking about this book?
Because it's clearly targeted at them, tiny female "not like other girls" protagonist who is a fish out of water and has the baddest bad boy pinning for her...
Haha yea that makes sense. I just noticed that 95% of the TH-camrs reviewing it are female
@@educateyourself3872or a homosexual man. Nothing against any of them… but I haven’t seen a single review on TH-cam from a male who identifies as straight. It’s quite odd.
@@anthonylombardo1261 haha right??
Thank you for reading it so I don't have to. 😂
Nice video! How about trying the Temeraire series by Naomi Novik.
Yeah, I am questioning the romance between the two main characters due to the link with dragons. I loved it for the other parts of the book but the romance was the weakest part.
Also do read more weird books. I had picked it up for the stencilled edges and it was before it exploded all over social media.
Everyone's talking about? You mean women.
I like the vlog theme, but in the future I think you should stick to books that are on your TBR
I’m glad you read it so I don’t have to 😂. Your suffering was not in vain!
Thanks for the review and saving me time, money. I hate when they throw smut in! It really isn’t necessary.
No mention is made of rhe violence and cadets dyiing, yet sex is such a horrible issue,? I am baffled.
I mean i signed up for dragon battles not fifty shades of grey.
It's another Sara .J Mass wanna be book and I hate her.
the worst part about this book was that the book without the screwing dragons and obsessed humans was awesome imo, she wrote a good book and added sex into it for no reason, I am 36 years old and was listening to the audiobook while playing BG3 and got embarrassed for the writer a couple times lol
Yes. It would have been better without the explicit sex.
Also, I think that if a male author had a male character speaking about a girl the way Violet talks about Xaden, it would be heavily criticized if even published at all.
@@Nassaldromus agreed
I think your conclusions are totally fair! I enjoyed Fourth Wing but I liked the first half a lot better for the same reasons as you. I'm more of an Epic Fantasy reader than a Romance Fantasy reader myself. I'd love to hear what your wife thinks of it XD
Would u please suggest me some best real Fantasy books :) ?
As I Christian after getting through BOTH books I needed to spend some quality time in the bible... I agreed to read through it with my sister and was SOOO Uncomfortable
First I have heard of it... I suspect it might be the last too....
It sounds totally like a rip-off of Anne McCaffrey's concept of dragons and dragon-riders anyway. Except, YA.
I suppose you are too young to have read Dragonflight. Back it the day it was ground breaking.
Why do you act surprised. A lot of dragon books the dragon is mentally attached to their rider and share the thoughts and emotions. Inheritance cycle by Christopher Palani for example
So its basically a book form of that Rick and Morty episode
Season 4 episode 2 or 3? Yeah exactly lol
This is definitely one of your funniest contents🤣
Please keep doing this kind of video
This book is a disgrace to fantasy
I audibly laughed at at the seven minute mark 😂😂😂 this is what I watch TH-cam for
Update: walking down the street, uncontrollably cracked up when you talked about this book stretching your imagination 😅 imagining dragons a little tooooo much
LOL your wife sounds hilarious. Great video. I was debating picking this one up or not.
Haha she's amazing! Thank you!
I think I'll pass on this one 😅
I like
Genuinely can’t tell if people hate this book
Or love it secretly and just
Are uncomfortable
Everything in this book was extremely convenient. I understand your point about the dragons. I think it does sour the romance. Enemies to lovers are typically slowburn and it just feels like a plot device to speed it up to get to the smut. It also feels uncomfortable because until it gets to the se*ual bits, the MC reads like an immature 15 year old girl. Then suddenly, she acts like a p*rn star. It is ... jarring.
It is just Twilight 2.0, big media repercusion and publisized under the fantasy tag, may be good or an ok romance novel but also a terrible as a fantasy novel because as i said they use fantasy as the bait not as the main focus of the story.
I haven't read this book and I think I wouldn't like it either (magic shools, dragons and horny triangles are tropes I don't value much in general).
However, I find quite distracting that you avoid so much using normal words like "sex", or "horny". I think it becomes detrimental for this review, because you end looking overly prudish and partial, instead of serious and objective as usual.
Darn, you've ranted too little, haha, I had to go watch other youtubers ranting about this book to satisfy my need of hearing a rant about a horny book. From there I learned that the book is actually more horny than you painted in this video :-)
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anw, I also don't want to read about Dragon in heat, not the mystical majestic being I know being reduced to housed dogs
I like romance but not when it is described like this. Romance is a tool for writing i dont think it should ever over shadow the plot of the story unless the plot is specifically tied to it which is better done with fade to black. This is just smut
What did you expect, in a time where people are crazy about
" gender confused people " you know what i mean......
Fourth Wing made me genuinely surprised to learn Rebecca Yarros has a partner and a family after reading so much about how much Violet, sorry I should say Violence, likes to suck on tongues. Yarros's depictions read more like a sexually frustrated teenage girl's sprawling on what she thinks sex is like.
Wish there was more focus on the human-dragon relationship, like, sometimes there are whole chapters in which there is practically NO dialogue with dragons...
Ohno!
You didn't misunderstand it. YA is getting real uncomfortable, and the majority eats it up! *sigh*
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