I like your differing opinion, but I gotta say anything made to be watched on a screen with the given format is cinema no matter how good or bad you think it is. To say otherwise is nearing pomposity or ignorance in my eyes. But I like the video keep it up.
Hey! I'm so glad you enjoyed it! I don't think the crux of the argument is meant to pass judgement on the films quality, especially not a simple binary "good" or "bad". Its more the way an audience engages with media in a different way in our increasingly gamified society and what effect that has on us and culture.
@@g_tterspace I completely understand your point and definitely value the depth at which you can see things. Nevertheless, I would not fault anyone for putting a 2 year olds finger painting in the Louvre next to the Mona Lisa. Sure one took more time and with the nature of our society could be a "better" conversational piece however to me art is art and to me our egos sometimes get in the way of that distinction. And I'd say the same for term "cinema". Now if we're talking the semantics of the word cinema in the given context, that's a whole other convo.
The other problem I see with what scorsese says is he's over generalization. sure you could pass some of marvel movies as theme park movies and say they lack substance. but what about movies like iron man, guardians of the galaxy, no way home and infinity war? there are always varying degrees of quality when it comes to movie. not every bad movie is a 1/10 nor every good movie is a 10/10 there are both good and bad movies and not every movie is supposed to be 10/10 masterpiece. even martin scorsese himself has only a few movies which are considered master pieces and even some that aren't very good. but overall all he Iis remembered as a talented and an accomplished director and writer. the same is true of marvel movies the good outweighs the bad. he probably just saw a single marvel movie which he didn't like and decided to judge all of them by that. brushing all of them aside as theme park movies that lack any substance is extremely narrow minded and superficial for someone of his caliber.
@@JudgeHoldenUwU Personally I don't think his argument that theme park movies necessarily lack substance or are lesser than other films, rather I believe he was referring to the focus on spectacle and action/vfx setpieces over small character drama etc. The issue is not that "theme park movies" shouldn't exist, it's that industry and studio focus on creating solely that sort of film is pushing out the indie filmmaker in terms of things like funding. The Russo Brothers, (who directed Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame so true Marvel veterans!!) left Marvel after Endgame to focus on their own company creating original intellectual property - they recently helped get Everything Everywhere All At Once over the finish line in terms of funding. They were recently quoted as saying: “I think we will start trending back towards original IP. I think it’s a great opportunity…I think that original IP will start to emerge in this market as corporations become more pedantic and factory-like with the execution of their current IP. I just think people are going to crave new ideas.” So even the directors of some of the biggest Marvel movies of all time have moved away from "theme park movies" and are helping indie filmmakers create their own original IP. Once again, its not a question of good or bad, rather a question of level playing field. EEAAO imo is one of the greatest films of the year, but it struggled to even get made while we have Marvel/DC/Star Wars etc pre-programmed for years.
you were right, not the take i was expecting, and one i definitely wouldn’t have considered. nice work here!
This is so cool video
not about the arguments the way of presentation ...keep it up bro!
Holy shit the editing is amazing
Cheers pal hopefully have some more stuff for you soon
I like your differing opinion, but I gotta say anything made to be watched on a screen with the given format is cinema no matter how good or bad you think it is. To say otherwise is nearing pomposity or ignorance in my eyes. But I like the video keep it up.
Hey! I'm so glad you enjoyed it! I don't think the crux of the argument is meant to pass judgement on the films quality, especially not a simple binary "good" or "bad". Its more the way an audience engages with media in a different way in our increasingly gamified society and what effect that has on us and culture.
@@g_tterspace I completely understand your point and definitely value the depth at which you can see things. Nevertheless, I would not fault anyone for putting a 2 year olds finger painting in the Louvre next to the Mona Lisa. Sure one took more time and with the nature of our society could be a "better" conversational piece however to me art is art and to me our egos sometimes get in the way of that distinction. And I'd say the same for term "cinema". Now if we're talking the semantics of the word cinema in the given context, that's a whole other convo.
@@Silver-Sage-T can't say I disagree with you there pal
The other problem I see with what scorsese says is he's over generalization. sure you could pass some of marvel movies as theme park movies and say they lack substance. but what about movies like iron man, guardians of the galaxy, no way home and infinity war? there are always varying degrees of quality when it comes to movie. not every bad movie is a 1/10 nor every good movie is a 10/10 there are both good and bad movies and not every movie is supposed to be 10/10 masterpiece. even martin scorsese himself has only a few movies which are considered master pieces and even some that aren't very good. but overall all he Iis remembered as a talented and an accomplished director and writer. the same is true of marvel movies the good outweighs the bad. he probably just saw a single marvel movie which he didn't like and decided to judge all of them by that. brushing all of them aside as theme park movies that lack any substance is extremely narrow minded and superficial for someone of his caliber.
@@JudgeHoldenUwU Personally I don't think his argument that theme park movies necessarily lack substance or are lesser than other films, rather I believe he was referring to the focus on spectacle and action/vfx setpieces over small character drama etc. The issue is not that "theme park movies" shouldn't exist, it's that industry and studio focus on creating solely that sort of film is pushing out the indie filmmaker in terms of things like funding. The Russo Brothers, (who directed Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame so true Marvel veterans!!) left Marvel after Endgame to focus on their own company creating original intellectual property - they recently helped get Everything Everywhere All At Once over the finish line in terms of funding. They were recently quoted as saying:
“I think we will start trending back towards original IP. I think it’s a great opportunity…I think that original IP will start to emerge in this market as corporations become more pedantic and factory-like with the execution of their current IP. I just think people are going to crave new ideas.”
So even the directors of some of the biggest Marvel movies of all time have moved away from "theme park movies" and are helping indie filmmakers create their own original IP. Once again, its not a question of good or bad, rather a question of level playing field. EEAAO imo is one of the greatest films of the year, but it struggled to even get made while we have Marvel/DC/Star Wars etc pre-programmed for years.
Good video
Thank you!