Reading Celeste's Negative Reviews (So You don't have to!)
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The review page on steam is usually not all that useful.
You can just look over near the tags, see that it says "Overwhelmingly positive" and know that this game is probably pretty good. If it's not good, it'll let you know. Scrolling down to read the reviews is usually not worth your time.
However, one day I was feeling curious.
Why do these people hate this "Overwhelmingly Positive" game in the first place? And why did they feel so strongly about it that they wanted to leave a review? And most importantly, is there anything useful we can take from their opinions?
Also, i really appreciate this attitude of "here's a game i love, let's find if there are legittimate bad things about it, even if i have to dig throught a pile of transphobic shit to find out".
Congrats on pin
This game uses my pain to to keep me going
What? Transphobic? isn't that a term for people that don't agree with LGBTQ+? What does it have to do with a game?
@@Kacszu the dev is trans and people dont like the game for that
@@Kacszu The developer is trans, a lot of the negative reviews are just hate targeted towards them because of that.
You should see the reviews of the actual mountain
YES
I'm gonna climb that one day, mark my words
perished on the climb
would not attempt ascent again
There are none. Everyone died.
can you share some of them?
The English Language being represented by a Canadian Flag is hilarious, I thought it showed that because I live in Canada, but it would’ve been even funnier if the French option was also the Canadian flag just to piss off people from France.
The game shows the canadian flag because Celeste is a real mountain located in Canada. Without the supernatural elements, ofc.
No no I'm french and it definitely should have been the flag of Canada or Quebec
And the "Portuguese" has Brazil's flag, portuquese people are in pain rn
Why does it have the Canadian flag though
@@Brimmsune cause the devs are canadian
Here’s the thing, assist mode actually pairs with Celeste’s message.
It’s okay to ask for help.
Yeah but, so many of the options will carry you completely
This is an outstanding point and I wish that I had let that sink in when I played it lol
I had to use assist mode in the last couple of levels because I wanted to see how the whole story played out, and it was beyond my skill level. But it definitely didn’t feel good to have to resort to using it. It didn’t make me salty, but it made me feel WAY less excited about completing the game.
Now the white palace in Hollow Knight. THAT shit made me salty lol.
@@cubeofmeat4982 Yeah, but the slowdown mode tho. That one is literally perfect for this game, since timing and execution is the main difficulty. It lets you fine tune the difficulty for your level of reaction time. Dash assist is also well made, especially if you're on joystick controls, letting you initiate a dash in the right direction every time, but you still need to time the dash, since you can't cancel it once you hit the button.
I never used it, but my brother did for the last screen of farewell, and he said it felt fine, quoting "It doesn't feel like cheating, I'm just telling the game that I need it to back off because I'm not having fun, and it does"
They obviously didn't get that far through the storyline...
Not using "Assist mode" can be also caused by fear of robbing yourself of intended experience, and the fun that is supposed to come with it.
THIS. I consider myself pretty good at platformers/metroidvanias (I did The White Palace's Path of Pain in 30 hours but still) when motivated, (This will come in later) and when the game offered me assist mode, two things popped in my head:
1) This is a really hard game and I should be careful
2) This is here because people can't complete the game without it
I wanted to prove to myself that I didn't need it (I literally said "I don't need help) and I didn't wanted to experience the game to its fullest.
The assist mide actually made the hame seem harder than it actually was, and after doing 7A, I asked, "Is there a way to make it harder?"
Then I found B-sides and they are much more in line what I thought the base game was going to be.
When I find something too hard, I stop playing and take a break for a day to recharge. Then I can complete it. I only did it once in the Mirror Temple when it was 11:30 at night and I couldn't handle the stress from tbat chapter anymore.
B-sides are making me take breaks because of how hard it is, not from stress or exhaustion. I like it. Every cleared room is a victory.
As of yet I'm on Golden Ridge's B-side and assist mode remains off. I'll updaye this if any changes happen but this is all for 8A amother round in a few days let's die another 1,000 times
P.s. I took the "Be proud of your death count" postcard to heart, I died 856 times in Oshiro 😊
Edit:
I'm in the last room of Farewell. Assist mode remains off. Badeline has talked to me twice. I'm so determined to complete this.
Edit 2: I beat Farewell and then did it again. I have completed all the C-sides and Assist Mode remains off. I am now going for Goldens which might make me break, but I'm working on 3a and 6a. Chapter 3 is going to end me.
Assist mode should absolutely not be a feature
@@jeremiahbaugh8195 I heavily disagree with this. Assist mode should be a feature. Not only does it tie in well with the game's message if "It's okay to ask for help," but it helps people with physical disabilities so they can tweak the game"s difficulty to what suits them.
Someone could have nerve damage in their fingers and thus have slower reaction time: What then? Their body won't magically fix itself. That's why assist mode is called literally that: "Assist" mode. It's there to help you completely the game, not for you to cheat. The game trusts the player to want to experience the game to the fullest for them to choose to turn on assist mode and its many uses.
@@beginthewar9681 can we get an update on this?
Yep! Assist Mode is still off, I've goldened 1a, 1c, 2a, 2c, and trying to golden 4a and 4c. I'm physically dying and this might break me. I am afraid for Farewell.
i find it interesting how even if they complained about the difficulty, a lot of them still complimented the story, characters, or music. i think it says a lot about a game when negative reviews still have something good to say
@abdelhaditayebbeyThe issue lies in having only two options, good or bad. Often constructive critism is somewhere in the middle. And while these few bad reviews don't affect the larger good portion, it would be nice to have like a mixed review where your review doesn't actually affect the review score. Just my opinion.
@@umumah1 Imagine if user reviews had the "informational" review category like steam curators do. if only...
It's pretty annoying when hard games get a ton of negative reviews just for being hard
I wouldn't call Celeste bad for casuals. I'm a casual and I loved it. The rapid reset time made it so simple to play. The C sides and farewell are definitely super hard, but getting to the top of the mountain is perfectly casual friendly
You are not a casual anymore if you finish the last level without assist mode
Which is the last level for you, The end of the normal Climb 7a, the end of the base game(excluding the b and c sides) 8a or the end of the dlc Chapter 9. Because I agree if you talk about farewell as the last chapter, but 7a and 8a are quite manageable if you invest a few hours into them, even as a casual
@@RubyWiese either c side or chapter 9
@@astral_panda8945what’s assist mode?
@@gamercentral2417 it allows you to turn on various things to help make the game a better experience for people who don't won't to bother with the tough as nails difficulty of celestial. Stuff like invincibility, slowing down time, infinite dashs and other useful stuff
"Extremely good game just not for me" is a fantastic and honest review because instead of calling it bad just for it not being there cup of tea or to diffucult isnt fair,but saying it just isnt for you is a perfectly fine and reasonable review
Yeah but feels a bit weird that its still a negative review when it was already acknowledged as a good game by that person
@@tekbox7909 They can understand why this game this good for others and they accept it,but they personally dont like it because its not their type of game
Sands undrrtale
@@tekbox7909 There should be an option to give a "Neutral" review in Steam, critics can do this, why not us?
@@skell6134 Let's say, for example, someone doesn't like FPS games. Would it not be unreasonable for them to go around leaving bad reviews on very good FPS games because they don't like the genre?
I'm a bit late, but I have something to say:
I've played Celeste for 120 hours (mods included) on KEYBOARD, and it was completely fine. I tried controller, but I still prefer keyboard.
I'm at about half of that playtime. I used controller for most of it, but switched to keyboard a few weeks ago and have no intention of ever switching back. I expected feathers to be difficult and to have to essentially relearn speed tech from scratch, but I did not run into much of a learning curve at all, and both aspects were easier for me on keyboard almost immediately.
I have 1600 hours in celeste and about 20 minutes of it is controller
I have 400 hours and 0 on controller
Same. Except I have not tried a controller.
I personally use controller (because keyboard just doesn't suit me for this game, I've tried), and I understand what people say in the video about inputs not always being consistent, but the reason for that is that Celeste only has 8 directions of motion (excluding variants and the feathers), and so a control stick with a full 360 degree range of motion can result in the player thinking their fingers are in one place when they're actually in another, causing a dash to go in the wrong direction. Just using keyboard or dpad fixes this though. Here's my thing about some of these reviews regarding controller options though. You can connect both a controller and a keyboard to Steam, so what is the problem? You don't complain about the controls of Smash because the DK Bongo Drums are limited, you choose a controller that isn't the DK Bongos, you know?
Also most people use keyboard, how does it not suit the game? lol
The difficulty negative reviews are very valuable to some people. When I was looking for games similar to Ori, I came across Celeste. Complaints of it being like Super Meat Boy had me looking elsewhere.
well, I didn't play celeste for a very long time even so I had it free on epic for the same reason : I played super meat boy and didn't enjoyed that much, barely reaching the half of the main game.
BUT i've recently seen an handfull of "casual" streamer playing celeste and enjoying it, that made me want to give it a try, and I actually enjoy it and reach the end of the main campagn. at start I was expecting to use the assist mode sooner or later, but I finally menage without it even if an handfull of screen have been more frustrating and almost made me go for it.
all that to say, everyone is différent and every games are differents too, so dont hesitate to give it a try if you can get it cheap
I was able to beat the main Celeste story, but never beat super meat boy. Farewell and the C sides for Celeste though…
@@weeelums5963same.
The main story is way easier than super meat boy, but the side content is on par or harder most of the time.
Celeste isn’t too hard (main game). It also has a genuine story along with fun mechanics, the physics are also AMAZING. I wouldn’t even call it a non casual game like meat boy is
I love how he showed a negative review that just said ‘trans developer’ when he put the worthless text on the screen
It is objectively pretty worthless
@@Eye5x5 wow what a fun fact :0
@@Eye5x5 no one cares
@@Eye5x5 fact invalid.
@@Eye5x5 i was gonna write an entire paragraph, but then i saw you were russian, so... i guess your forced to and grew up like that? but i still recommend when putin gets assassinated or something, that you change your opinions, even with the childhood trauma
i've invested myself a fair bit into this game and i'd like to give my two cents
- a lot of the accessibility options that you mentioned were added quite recently. 50% screen shake, grab toggles, and freeform button binding, for instance, are a courtesy of 1.4.0.0, the most recent patch that is barely a month or two old. the devs are commited to accessibility, which is great, but it's really obvious it's an area they're slowly getting experience with.
- keyboard is NOT terrible. many many many speedrunners play on keyboard (myself included) to great effect, it has legitimate advantages over gamepads (e.g.: way more bindable keys), there are fair arguments to some strats being legitimately easier on keyboard; like it straight up is a good way to play the game. all the people complaining about their diagonal dashes becoming cardinal dashes? would straight up not happen on keyboard (or a dpad for that matter, but it's not that obvious that the dpad is a good way to play the game where in a keyboard it's the only option). even the feathers, which you'd think would give keyboard players some trouble, isn't even that bad because the lack of precise angles means it moves in a very predictable and consistent manner, and unless you wanna take some really edgy and precise lines you will lose no time or have any trouble with the feathers.
- about assist mode: i legitimately think it's not that good. yes, ego is the only thing keeping you from turning it on, but also there's really no options that don't instantly make the game a thousand times easier - easier than you'd probably like if you're just slightly struggling to get through. it's 100% understandable that people can have trouble wiith the game and still not want straight up invincibility or infinite dashing. dash assist is maybe the only mechanic that isn't that extreme in its effect and i think assist mode REALLY needed more stuff like this; stuff that makes the game easier but by a small amount so you can ACTUALLY fine-tune the difficulty to your liking instead of Assist Mode feeling like a "give up" button
i play on keyboard and its very easy. Yes, i may have like 200 deaths on chapter 1. but thats just my experience with paltformers. celeste is the first platformer i played.
I started on keyboard, and quit a few screens into chapter 1 once I realized I would love this game, and bought a controller. Once my controller arrived, I played through the game multiple times, and completed 1b, 2b, and 8a.
Recently, in the past few weeks, I decided to try keyboard. I set up some keybinds which took advantage of the thumb keys on the Ergodox, opened up my main file, started Prologue, and played through until Summit on keyboard. I tried to get as many collectibles along the way as possible, even picking up a few in most chapters I hadn't gotten yet. I expected there to be a lot of difficulty re-learning how to hyper and wave dash, but I actually found both to transfer very smoothly to the keyboard, and be easier to execute. I had more trouble remembering which keys were jump and dash than I had actually executing an extended hyper. I had expected the feather to be an issue, to the point that my initial plan was to switch my left hand, covering ESDF for movement, to the controller stick, while continuing to use my right hand for other controls. I gave up on that on the first screen of 6a, and was surprised to find that feather movement really wasn't that bad on keyboard. Once I got used to it, I felt a lot more consistent in many of the more difficult Badeline Fight screens. I have since completed 3b for the first time ever, finally got some consistency on Search Skip and the wavedash skip in 5a to skip going left for the bubble, and finally figured out how to set up a vertical hyper (align Madeline almost directly under the edge of the wall, not next to the wall).
Part of it may be that I just am more comfortable with keyboard controls. I started Hollow Knight around the same time I started Celeste, and have used a keyboard with that from the beginning to take advantage of more comfortable bindings and the lack of analog movement in Hollow Knight, so I was getting practice with platformer movement on keyboard all the time I was using controller in Celeste.
I totally agree that more gradation in assist mode would be nice.
I know right, like that guy was legit just bad ig because the only thing I did was rebind climb to ctrl and from there everything just gets into the flow you just need to practise, as you would need to do with a controller too.
regarding assist mode: yeah, it would be nice to have some additional options. from a post on r/celestegame, someone called Rickfernello (who recently did a 0 death 100% run, which is really crazy) suggested additional settings for assist mode such as health bars (an extension to invincibility), slowdown toggle buttons (an extension to game speed), dash assist slowdown instead of freeze, and a guiding silhouette (functions like arrows from Super Mario Odyssey, but like the silhouette of wavedash tutorial rooms). to avoid overcomplicating things for new players, it was also suggested that assist levels should be added, with clear labels telling the player about the experience they would be getting for each level.
also keyboard feels quite nice. I’m most definitely biased because I only have a keyboard, and I already have experience playing with games on keyboard (things like Trackmania and Touhou), but it controls quite nicely. feathers are slightly awkward because I keep trying to steer by tapping repeatedly, but even that’s mostly a skill issue (along with my insistence with taking tight racing lines when I clearly shouldn’t lol)
I’ve only ever held a controller once in my life, and I wasn’t even ten years old back then. So of course, I would only be able to play with a keyboard. Also, I turned the Assist Mode on right away because I knew I was kinda garbage at all games due to not having any experience. But still, I wanted to at least try.
But then.. I was *very* surprised that the process was way easier than I expected. I had, like, a 100 deaths in 1a, and 85 or so in 2a. I heard that 3a is usually considered a “difficulty spike” compared to previous levels, and... I didn’t even really feel that. I got a full clear in less than an hour.
Now, I *did* struggle with some rooms beginning with 4a. I just couldn’t press buttons correctly fast enough. I tried slowdown in assist mode, but it didn’t really help. Instead, it just made me have to adjust to a different timing. So I bailed on that idea. And then it turned out that my problem came from the fact that my laptop isn’t a gaming PC, so it doesn’t allow me to press more than three buttons at the same time. So I decided to “solve” this problem by switching grab to “inverse” for those rooms that seem to require it. Is works well enough. (Also, I recently replayed that first room and just.. did it first try, so I also might have been overcomplicating it the first time around, too.)
Anyway... the C-sides are the only thing that I *actually* never want to do ever again. 3c’s last screen traumatized me pretty seriously :D...
Also, “Reflection” is the best stage in any difficulty. I just... really love rooms where I need to free-fall. I feels really nice. It’s like I always thought when watching let’s plays: don’t be afraid of what’s below you. Just trust the developer to guide you through it. So Badeline fight is just fantastic fro me. The movement through those rooms is just so... smooth and.. I don’t know. It feels like dancing. The way you’re always thrown from her into the exact position you need to be next. So you just keep falling. I love that.
It’s weird that people say that this game wasn’t meant to be played on PC, because every person who I’ve talked to that is good at Celeste prefers keyboard because it’s much easier to avoid mixing up cardinal and diagonal inputs. I play on controller and, at first, I thought the game was constantly taking in my inputs wrong. But eventually I realized that no, it wasn’t a game problem, my hands weren’t accurately translating what I wanted to do into the correct left stick input, and I had just never played a precision game before where that was a major issue.
I’ve put 220 hours into the game on my Nintendo Switch and I don’t have any input problems anymore. I do still occasionally dash in the wrong direction, but I’m able to recognize exactly what happened and correct it on my next attempt with minimal effort.
Something I find fascinating is how my sibling loves Celeste and hated playing Hollow Knight, while I hated playing Celeste but love Hollow Knight. It makes sense knowing what I know now about the two games, but I was scared off of Hollow Knight for ages and ages because my sibling introduced me to both of them, only had me play Celeste... and called them both platformers. Turns out, no, they're just entirely different categories of games and I love metroidvanias but find platformers repetitive and too frustrating, while they love platformers but find metroidvanias too lacking in direction. Neither game is inherently better or worse, but each one is certainly better or worse for each of us. Celeste was one of the most painful gaming experiences I've ever had, while I still remember how frustrated and disheartened my sibling got while trying to beat Hollow Knight. Both games are great in their own right, they just... weren't right for everyone.
I also still love Celeste, simply because of how much my sibling loved it. Still need to bug them into playing Hollow Knight as payback...
Eh...I can sympathize with the reviews about difficulty, if only due to the place Celeste has carved out in the gaming culture.
Celeste is talked about as a game EVERYONE has to play, and I do think there's a point in expressing that it's not for everybody. Nothing truly is for everybody, but Celeste particularly is a game that it's impossible to escape from for being kinda niche.
Most people would be able to beat the main story though.
I think breathing os for everybody
I really didnt like this game tbh. Or anyone wondering why (potential buyers) these are my reasons:
1: if your like me and hate 2D pixel art then yeah
2: if you hate platformers yeah
Otherwise great💀😂
if something is a game "you have to play" - then it is either unique mechanics or a really good story
e.g. "to the moon" is a 'boring' snes-style walking simulator.
But the story+music elivates this game for me to a piece of art that I enjoyed immensly for those 2,5h
Same goes for 'Return of the Obra Dinn' or "Her story". The gameplay is barely there, but unique experiences you will most likely remember for a long time or the rest of your life.
@@YK.Its.Turtle then... why did you buy it?!
is this satire?
I didn’t mind the difficulty all that much, especially with the game restarting you at the beginning of each room. I didn’t care if I kept dying, I just wanted to see Madeline climb that mountain.
the adorable story is definitely part of what kept me playing, which also helped me appreciate the challenging gameplay. It was kind of a positive feedback loop
game isn't even that hard. I suck at platformers and I managed to get one of the endings. I'm sure I'm able to 100% it if I really try.
@@sammshoyu8434 Yes and that’s the beauty of Celeste. I think so many people get difficulty and frustration mixed up. Something can be difficult without being frustrating. The game restarts you at the beginning of every room you enter which makes the game super forgiving, but it’s still very much a hard game. Trial and error is there by the bucketloads but you don’t have to start the whole level over when you die. That’s what good difficulty should be. The reason it feels so easy to beat is that it isn’t frustrating so you always keep trying over and over no matter how much you fail because failure is just a slap on the wrist, (just be prepared for a very VERY sore wrist by the end) , and before you know it the game is beaten. It’s fun because the difficulty keeps you engaged but the forgiving death system keeps you from rage quitting. I’m bad at explaining but to summarize, games with difficulty are fun, games with frustration are not, the two are not the same, and Celeste is the former not the latter.
also, restarting is super quick! in other games, say mario maker, it takes a good 5-10 seconds after death to get back into gameplay. in celeste its just one second which i appreciate
Yeah, I've never really understood the impact gamers feel when they die. Dying is apart of gaming for me, I couldn't imagine getting through a game without dying a bunch. If death wasn't a possibility, it'd feel like there's nothing to play for
if a game "isn't your sort of thing" I think it's pretty understandable to post a negative review of the reasoning behind that.
Yeah, because that way you can keep other people who won't be interested from making a purchase they'll regret. I always read the negative reviews of games before buying them.
ikr not sure why op was surprised when people who didnt enjoy the game left a negative review explaining what they didnt like about it
@@stinker6784 There's a clear difference between explaining why it isn't your type of game, and blatantly outing yourself as having a skill issue. It's why simple "game bad" reviews are generally disregarded.
Negative reviews are a core part of why we have reviews
I don't think negative reviews are necessarily a bad thing. Course, there are stupid ones, like "GAME BAD, BUY NOT" kind of thing, but you can dislike a game and still give very good insight and recommendation on what could work better, and explain why you dislike the game, and the same applies to why you like a game if you put a positive review, which will both ultimately help people find a game they know they'll enjoy or avoid games buying games that negative reviews could've ultimately helped them save money
Negative reviews are a good thing, but if it is used wisely. Same applies to positive reviews. Some positive reviews are just "game good" and give no insight whatsoever onto the why of it, and is just as annoying as negative reviews
Not if your job is to be a reviewer and you can't even figure out how to beat the Cuphead tutorial in less than 10 minutes lol.
Wow, that first negative review was actually very justified and brought up a good point, I did not expect that at all
great video i love how you talked about how the difficulty of celeste isn't cognitive but technical
Yeah, I don't think it's mentioned enough that it's not as bad as it sounds, because much of the precision in Celeste is not reaction based, but rhythm based. And humans are quite good at discerning very subtle differences in rhythm.
I disagree slightly; the game has a big share of puzzles, and one (or several) intended ways of completing it, which requires at least some thinking.
But yes, as someone said: it is more about planning your movement than straight up thinking.
@@Rickfernello this ^
There's definitely a cognitive element to it. I might not be the best at puzzles, but I'm pretty decent. That being said, i noticed that quite a few of the levels could be done in several ways, and i find myself trying to map out the best route a few different times.
@@Rickfernello I feel like the game is heavily influenced by climbing (well, the thematic of the game is to climb a mountain so...). You kinda have to plan out your path, but more by simulating a path in your mind rather than doing logical thinking..
@@Shinigami435 The thing is you can look up the route you need to take online if needed but that's only part of the work because you still need to execute.
It blows my mind that Celeste doesn’t have a colorblind mode. They can just be hue remapping - a literal post-processing effect - and still get the job done. Honestly disappointed that a game that went to such lengths for “accessibility” failed to do something so easy
While that would work to some extent, working with fewer colors might exacerbate contrast issues if you dont go in and manually reassign colors for different backgrounds and objects. Though I do agree with you 100%, colorblindness is way too common for a game this large to just ignore.
I agree, honestly. It's silly that they couldn't do it, or add it in later in any sense.
Ok I actually don’t understand this. If colorblindness is making it hard for you to see some obstacles, just turn on assist mode
@@Excelsior1937 why should you have to, if that's the only issue?
Also....how many games out there actually do have colorblind modes? (I sure wish the Metroid Prime games did, maybe I'd finally be able to see where the hell I'm going.)
My dad is Red / Green colorblind and he beat the game with no issues. I can’t speak for the other types of color blindness though
I’d like to raise a point that I feel was overlooked when talking about “it should be clear the game isn’t for everyone.”
Celeste is a BIG game within the indie sphere, on par with other renowned games like Hollow Knight and Ori for example, and with all popular games, you get people claiming it’s a “must play for everyone,” (as well as players following the “next big thing,” but that’s a seperate topic).
Perhaps a friend recommends it to you without thought on if you’d enjoy it, (I wouldn’t recommend DOOM to someone who plays entirely life sim games for an exaggerated example), and I’ve found from experience in many other indie communities beyond just Celeste’s that it tends to be the FANS that don’t know that the game’s not for everyone, and will recommend the game to everyone they know and their dogs.
I’m guilty of this myself don’t get me wrong, but since I came to this realisation I’ve tried putting a bit more thought into my recommendations beyond just “I like this game go play it too,” as if I recommend a game I want the person to actually enjoy it.
Anyway, sorry for rambling, just spitting out some thoughts I had while watching this :)
The thing is though, it's supposed to be difficult narratively. A girl with anxiety and depression is traversing a known terribly difficult mountain. Not exactly two things that mix together. You climb as Madeline up Celeste Mountain and every screen you pass and checkpoint you hit is an accomplishment. You, and Madeline, are GROWING. You're both getting better. I believe the story is eh to say the least. But the gameplay for being a precision platformer, it does the job and it does it extremely well
Honestly opposite views at the end. I liked the gameplay and would definitely do play it all again, but holy shit that story was beautiful. I'm still finishing up chapter 9, but man it is so good personally.
disliking a game due to difficulty, not enough time, ect, is all fine. 1:01 that bottom left one. holy shit that made my blood boil
A good reason why Htwo ignored it along with other reviews he calls "garbage"
i think that the difficoulty in celeste makes you proud of finishing every stage and make you want to continue
I actually always read good and bad reviews before buying the game, it's a good way to know about the qualities and defaults of the game, it's very useful
I love “only try this game if you like games of this genre, don’t play it if you don’t like this genre at all!!!” because like thats pretty obvious
Ur parents failed u and 90% of the population don't want u around.
That last review is the gigachad of negative reviews
You should look over A Short Hikes reviews.
One dude has a whole paragraph why a quick popup warning about disabling the pixel filter is bad. The rest are mostly just people complaining about the game being short
2:28 He probably means a steam controller, which I can actually confirm is correct. It's brutal to not have a proper d-pad to make those quick adjustments in dashing direction. Being able to just squeeze a hand to do those dashes is really nice though
It’s funny because I literally exclusively play Celeste on keyboard and find no problems…
I don't think it's just ego when it comes to not turning on assist mode! I know part of why I don't tend to turn on easy modes in certain games is because it feels like I'm not really playing the game the way it was made to be played, and with a game like Celeste, perfecting the platforms is fundamentally what the game is. It's not like there's a deep story I'm aching to get through for Celeste, so winning through assist mode just, wouldn't really feel like winning. I will say with Celeste, I played a bit of it and mostly feel like it's a game I don't get very much from, personally. I can appreciate the graphics/it's history as a pico game/and the charm others have found in it, but I don't need to play it to enjoy those, and honestly find it more enjoyable just looking it up online rather than playing it first hand. Heck, then I can even watch people complete the much harder difficulties, and that's way more entertaining than dying in normal or assist mode.
Going through the positive reviews either has a heartfelt, well-written review or just "this game gave me gender dysphoria". I don't know which one to pick to describe myself either.
@@VladIsLove22 Cringe
5:03 as a Hollow Knight lover, we do not claim him
the one thing with the "ego" side of assist mode is that it is generally meant for disabled use. some people may have worsened reaction times (so game speed is a setting) or other disabilities, and those options are just so it is physically possible for them. i think making assist mode embarrassing to use for people who are just bad at platformers is an intentional move so people don't see what is the video game equivalent of a disabled ramp as an easy mode.
I use disabled ramps in video games and real life
So people who just want an easy mode are not worthy of the assist mode?
as an individual who beat all the way up to Farewell in Celeste with keyboard, I can say I never had any problem with a miss input or direction issue :)
The vast majority of the reviews you show are completely valid. You liking the game does not invalidate other folk's negative experiences with it. The review box is literally there to express these sorts of concerns. If they are a minority the game will get an 'Overwhelmingly positive' but other people can see these concerns and decide if they apply to them.
AT 0:31 THERE WAS SEALED VESSEL THEME FROM HOLLOW KNIGHT OHHHHHHHH
I totally agree with you except one really minor thing: I do not think this is just for pride. I think this is also for being scared of missing the unique and exciting experiences that you can have throughout the game. As always, great content from you here, keep it up!
what are the bits at 6:35 ? i haven't gotten to the heart of the mountain or the b sides yet and that looks really cool so if its one of those I might get back into the game
Beat the Core, make sure you have at least 15 hearts (or cheese past the wall that requires them) and then suffer through the hardest platformer level that I know of.
the "all 2d platformers feel like shit to play on a keyboard" thing really just made me feel like ive been playing every 2d platformer released on pc wrong my entire life
I have a problem with what this video implies.
Celeste is a good game, I would review it positively, but dismissing people who disagree with that is wrong. You are judging people and poking fun at them for doing what they're supposed to do - leaving a review that is based on their experience. They don't have to pretend to like it, or pretend that they think it's a good game at all. Neither do they have to put "in my opinion" after every sentence since that's inherently what a review is.
Most of the reviews you made fun of in the video were perfectly good reviews. Knowing that some people found the controls annoying for instance is a legitimate concern for potential buyers.
Basically, what you're asking for is that good games should always be rated a perfect 10/10 because "most people like this". It just doesn't work.
Funnily enough, I didn't enjoy Super Meat Boy, yet I loved Celeste.
I used to enjoy Super Meat Boy and Super Mario. Now that I experienced Celeste I don't enjoy them much anymore.
@@FG-418 I dont think celeste even comes close to smb. Smb has tight controls while celstes controls are shit.
1:02 didn’t know J. k. Rowling had steam
Right?
XD Ikr
I literally play every single pc game with keyboard so you have no idea how this fills my ego lmao
remember that "do one push up every time you die" thing?
yeah it was probably a bad idea to do that with celeste... although i would be buff AF if i had gone through with it
and while i found the game really frustrating almost to the point of rage quitting i think the satisfaction when you DO make it makes up for that
I also thought that it had mixed responses when I pressed Up-left or Left doing different things. This was not the case for me. I was just pressing the dash button before I actually pressed the second button.
I'm a casual gamer and I rarely ever play platformers and I don't really like things that are really difficult but I loved Celeste so idk what the ppl complaining about the difficulty are talking about lmao
"Theo isn't poggers."
Fair.
I'm surprised there are barely any reviews that hate on specifically chapter 4
The wind should be dissed more
4:20, i don't think that person has played geometry dash
3:04 I love that. It's more of a midle finger towards USA rather than Britan
the idea that oh after doing a screen Im happy I dont have to do that anymore is just the wrong mindset. most people just feel happy they accomplished DOING that
3:17 this example of colorblindness is a bit misleading. The 4 images probably show what it would look like to have a cone in the eye completly missing which is extreamly rare. 99.9% of the times colorblindness is just difficulty in telling the difference between purple/blue, red/green/brown, yellow/green. Most people don't even think they are colourblind because it is commonly thought that being colourblind means seeing orange instead of blue. Also I don't think that there are colourblind people who actually use the colourblind mode, most of the times it isn't even done properly
kinda understand why they put the Canada flag for English language, i wouldn't want to have the terf island's flag in my game either
Actually i hadn't thought of that, definitely could have played a role in her choice of flag, there.
@@yourbifriendaspen3629 He will never.
when I buy a game, I usually check the bad reviews, if it is "it's too hard for me" then it's probably a good game
I think the great promise behind Celeste is the fact that you earn difficulty progressively beating levels. Chapter 9 is a complete mind-blowing level (I didnt collected all hearts for finish it) and same goes for Core but the main game itself is adaptable as long as you have enough patience
Man just very humbly flexing how he only died 2200 times on farewell xD
I thought he hadn't beat it since there was no heart?
on top of pride when it comes to celeste's assist mode, i feel it also adds a layer of ludonarrative dissonance that makes the story much harder to relate to.
i'm not into precision platformers, i don't like how they feel. i will admit that. but i was pushed to play celeste by close friends, because they thought i would enjoy the writing, as i'm a rather depressed and anxious individual, and the narrative is centric to similar themes. long story short, i found myself frustrated around the level with the wind, and triggered assist mode features. it made progressing through the story and reading along sting, it hurt having to compare my struggles to that of the main character, i couldn't just easily alter the world or functions of myself to better suit my issues. it hurt hearing the emotional struggle of the character be relayed so physically through something that was immediately separated from the challenge. it spoiled it for me and made me feel so dour as a result.
beat it, i felt like a worse person for doing so, i wouldn't if it was a game in a genre i liked. it's fine. just not for me.
I think the biggest issue with assist mode is the way it's presented, it looks like a cheat menu. Having some of those settings implemented in a simple difficulty selection when you start the game (i.e without any of the assist options is "hard", and then lower difficulty modes have some of the assist options implemented in them directly) would probably be a lot more appealing. Saying you played on the "medium" difficulty FEELS a lot better than saying you played with "assist mode".
Meh, this is a sort of band-aid to the issue; Having either a difficulty slider in the first seconds of a game without having any clue as to what to choose will just lead to more confusion about what difficulty is the "right" way to play the game. Or having the slider be automatically be set to "hard" and then being able to lower the difficulty is just another layer of confusion to a system that (in my opinion) didn't need fixing. There shouldn't be any embarrassment using assist mode, and I don't think that embarrassment is a problem on the game's fault.
@@barnabasrusnak9616 Difficulty settings at the start of games are always like that. At the most you get a short description clarifying how it is intended. For example in Kingdom Hearts: you have Beginner for people looking for an easy game to play casually, Standard is balanced and recommended for a first play through, Proud is for those looking for a challenge, and Critical is the ultimate challenge. None of those really tell you what they specifically do. In this case the "hard" option would be the recommended one.
It can feel a little rough to control feather at times, but even that is manageable, because level design was built with 8-directional inputs in mind. I don't have troubles with using keyboard on this game at all.
So, this game. I really did try to play this game, but I had to stop somewhere in the middle of the third chapter. I died something like 300 times in the same room to a tricky dash (this was shortly after another room that took nearly one hundred tries to complete), and my brother was hovering over me to see what I thought of the game, urging me to use assist mode and move on while I struggled with the (imo) awkward controls. And, well - that was about it for me.
Yes, I know assist mode exists, and I am fully capable of using it, and maybe it is a bad mark on my character for deciding not to. But really - I can be pretty stubborn about things (I reloaded the fight against Sans in Undertale dozens of times before I finally won) - and after so much time investment in normal mode, assist mode just felt like giving up. There just wouldn't be any satisfaction for me if I turned my character invincible to get past that room. I'd rather stop playing than have the rest of the game be tainted by my wounded pride anyway.
I play games for fun - if I'm not having fun, it's up to me to recognize that and figure out if I need to stop playing or change how I'm playing. For Celeste, I wasn't happy with the controls and felt like I wasn't making enough progress for the time investment to be worthwhile.
I did go find playthroughs online to enjoy the rest of the story, though. I think it's an excellent game overall - but, like that one reviewer stated, it isn't for me.
putting "trans developer" in the useless reviews was quite based and swagpilled
It's not even a review of the game, it's just a transphobic loser complaining about a dev being trans. Complaining about some aspect of the personal life of a developer which has ZERO EFFEECT on the quality of the game, let alone on the life of the player.
@@costelinha1867well not exactly no impact, the who game is a metaphor for being trans
@@puppyqueen5688 Nah, you just a little girl that climbs a mountain. I dont know why celeste would climb a mountain and I dont care.
4:36 the way i was introduced to celeste was samples video of celeste no climbing. So when i got into the game, i thought no one knew about it.
as a big first person shooter fan, my right had automatically goes to wasd, so i am left with all the other controls to be on my right, which i wanted to have on my multibutton mouse, but celeste doesnt have mouse controls. Hollow knight had that and i loved it, i was able to play and be really good at. I am certaian that this game is a masterpiece, but my muscle memory just wont allow me to experience it (and the limiting keybind changes)
Celeste is best mario type game,
Pizza tower is best wario type game
I'm honestly surprised that there wasn't more transphobia in this video lmao
Well those reviews were obviously sorted into the "worthless garbage" category while he was making the video lol.
I finished every platform ı find with a keyboard. As long as they let me do my mapping its possible and also feels natural if you are a pc player from the start. The issue is not the keyboard its the devs that put stupid buttons on stupid keys on the keyboard and doesnt let you change them at all.
i agree 100%
Reviews are VERY much worth your time reading. If you know how to read them and what to look for, they can be quite accurate.
And I love how many of the reviews you presented said exactly what you had been saying, but somehow you present that as bad thing??
What people think Celeste is hard? I get that the extra levels after you reach the top is hard but it is supposed to be. These people probably got stuck at the hotel.
I just got the game cuz it was 5 buck online saw it before heard it was hard so I stayed away just out of the blue now it was on my console so I was like “oh well here it goes” yep it’s super hard beyond frustrating at times but …..the story is beautiful Madeline is such a. Precious’s girl and I adore it to bits, I do enjoy it cuz I feel that at certain parts of the game it’s rewarding to sit back and admire the game I love it I’m not a pocel platformer person but this one is just so perfect , “to me”
Honestly with the extra context of the game sort of being about the experience of being trans the “to all those who perished on the climb” takes a really different note, ima be honest i might have cried
My only gripe with Celeste was how all the corrections that the dev(s) spent time working on eventually amounted to not much of a better added feel to the game. I think I would've died some good 20% less had they given players the possibility to tweak the weird controller stick deadzone (glad I'm apparently not the only one who noticed the diagonal input problems). Luckily I used a DualShock and with DS4Windows you can change that. This said it obviously isn't a bad game because of this, but it's a very fair criticism.
Interesting thought about super meat boy vs celeste - I dont like how super meat boy controls, but i am very into celeste. I like hollow knight but I am more into pure platformers, I got my start playing transformice. (Perhaps that is also why I like fancy corner jumps etcs).
When i bought it I thought that I was going to find it too hard based on the free gamejam version, but the actual game introed me to the controls in a way that scratched my brain. I still died a LOT, but the combination of knowing there is an interesting story to unlock and how they fed me the difficult controls made me get better at it. Also the optional strawberries helped because i didnt have to oneshot them, im on my second run to get all the strawberries for the platforming challenge and its a lot easier.
Also i love the online speedrunning community! I dont know how to do the fancy crazy momentum jumps, but the walkthroughs and the feeling of having a community helps :D
The people saying "Dying is incredibly frustrating"...
I don't ever say this, but they're playing the game wrong
Death/Failure is a natural part of Celeste, because it doesn't matter. It takes less than 2 seconds to get back into action and screens are mostly around 5 seconds long
The only thing that matters in Celeste is whether or not you clear the map, because once you do you can proudly say you've conquered the mountain
Youre the one whos wrong. Dying in celeste wouldnt be that bad if the controls were any good. 50% of the time I die because celeste dashes in the wrong direction. Any amount of time can suck to have to repeat, a couple of seconds, minutes, hours, it all depends on the player.
@@JohnSmith-kt3yy Get a better controller, your input method is faulty
@@JohnSmith-kt3yy So you just have a garbage controller?
@@Pyrodiac Or the controls are just ass?
my only problem with the game was that it made me trans-fem
why is that a problem?
Same girl,same
OH sorry i misunderstood lmfao
i thought you meant "my only problem with the game was that it was made trans-fem", i misunderstood, sorry
I finished Celeste, got almost all the strawberries and even completed some of the B-sides using my /laptop/ keyboard, and never felt like the controls were lacking.
Late comment but I just stumbled upon this, and there's something I need to react to. Indeed, completing Farewell, the C Sides, and even to some extent the B Sides isn't for casual players, that I can agree with. but any casual player is able to complete the "main" game, and by that I mean A Sides until the Summit. I've seen plenty of casual gamers taking their time to finish the game, and managing to do so just fine, although it's true it's taken them more time than an average more experienced player, but that's not an issue at all.
So my point is, if you don't manage to beat the game, it's not because you're not able to do it if you feel like too much of a casual player. It's because you don't like it for some reason (and that's fine)
Celeste is one of the first platformers I've ever played, and I would consider myself to be a casual player. Even still, Celeste is still probably one of my favorite games ever. Incredibly difficult for sure, but I feel as though a lot of the negative reviews were unwarranted.
4:56
I did buy Celeste and Hollow Knight because I was searching a challenging game that would last me a lot of time without an specific genre
And I loved them both! I have gotten everything but most golden berries in Celeste (although I don’t plan on get them, I do know my limits) and also mostly everything in Hollow Knight
Just found it interesting how this person got in a similar scenario to me but taste made the outcome different
I played Hollow Knight a while ago and loved it. Now I'm playing Celeste and I'm absolutely loving it too. Two of my favorite games of all time. I think Hollow Knight has a slight edge because I love the world building, but I find more motivation to try to 100%, or at least beat every level of celeste. I kind of dropped out of Hollow Knight when I came to the Godhome and the Pantheons because I didn't really enjoy having to rebattle a bunch of bosses every time I lost to the last one. Celeste on the other hand is much nicer to grind since you just restart your current screen and can focus at one part at a time. I'm currently working on the last screen of 7C (Really have just started, and I know I'm in for a long struggle)
@@letsgetfluffy3138 nice, I also kind off dropped hollow knight but I still play it whenever I feel like so I don’t get tired
And about celeste, keep going, even if you get stuck just rest and try later (I actually rested for like a month one time and then I completed chapter 7C last screen in like just 15 tries)
If a middle schooler like me can do it on his free time so can you
Also I’m interested if you have played Cuphead (I already completed it in normal mode BTW)
@@tomas_iss7469 I've only played cuphead a bit on my brothers computer and with a friend on that shared game thing on steam, don't own it myself, but maybe one of the games I'll play when I feel done with Celeste.
@@tomas_iss7469 Also played a bit more of 7c yesterday and ended up getting to the second cloud. Not that far, but at least some progress.
@@tomas_iss7469 I did it, I fucking did it, I died three time at the last crystal and I think three times right before. I basically had all of the beginning memorized completely, at the end I had everything up until the wall bounce like 9/10 times. But for some reason my brain just decided to forget how to do the third pink cloud. After like almost 2 hours of not getting it consistently, when before that I basically never failed it, I just realised I kept doing it too early or with just enough time on the cloud so I barely got past it. So I started just taking it more chill there and beat it shortly after.
The thing I dislike about Celeste is that everybody continues to tell me that I should love the game, try it again, and that I'd have to be braindead not to be able to play it through with the assist mode being there.
I am not good at video games.
I do not like hard games.
I have things to do in my life beyond games.
The assist mode really doesn't help me, because I genuinely hate the controls in Celeste, and no amount of assist will help me feel better while playing it.
Instead of accepting that I'm allowed to just not play it, fans will scream at me that I just aren't trying hard enough, and that it's a perfect game.
It's not for me. Enjoy it if it's for you, but it isn't for me. I'll stick with Disco Elysium as my favorite game.
I think celeste's difficulty actually has a pretty good scale. You can do assist mode. You can decide to just play to the summit and collect no strawberries. You can decide to play for all the strawberries. If you finish the base chapters you can play the b-sides. If you want to continue on you can do mods. (Idk whats left)
You can just pause and the game saves your progress so you can come back directly to that level. (Only thing is you cant replay small levels easily cos its a linear storyline).
You have to be comfortable with dash tho
That last one made me slap a pillow next to me I mean like, WHAT A DAMN STRAIGHT TO THE POINT review 20/10 the absolute best review EVER
I first beat Celeste in about 12 hours, in one day.
There’s no “and.” I just wanted to show off.
The 'aspects' of Deal Cells is a great example of an assist mode that actually feels really good and fun. It's an integraded part of the game world and enables all kinds of cool new strats.
I saw one person in the video say, "Trans developer," and gave a negative review. I have this to say to them:
I diagnose you with 'Piece of Shite'.
the only part of the difficulty i found geniunly tilting was the hotel level because when its all abitrary timing what am i supposed to change other than wait x more second or x less seconds before starting it feels so out of your control, i have almost maxxed strawbeerry on every other level and 2/24 on that one because it tilted me so hard the first time. (i know this is probably just a me thing)
Man, on my first play through, the mechanic that I disliked the most was the Wind on the Ridge. Now, after nearly 100%-ing the game (haven’t played Farewell or Core C), the only mechanic that I have an issue with is the moving enemies (the Puffs in the Hotel and the Spikes in the Temple). I will also say, though, that the Cores moving objects are different in that it’s a simple loop, that are usually pretty slow.
I'm a new "casual" celeste player and i love it. It definitely helps that i have a small background in kaizo mario and I'm no noob when it comes to challenging platforming. Plus I enjoy speedrunning.
I was playing the game and thinking... there's no way this is for casuals at all. You really have to get good to play it. It's not like mario world where the base game is like it is and the community makes super tough rom hacks. This base game is incredibly hard sometimes.
There's times when I'm screaming at my computer. Cursing. Getting mad. Then i beat the level and say "damn that wasn't that hard at all" that feeling is one of the best feelings ever. But I can definitely understand many many people not having that kind of patience. No offense to anyone at all. It takes a special type of gamer to game at this game.
5:12 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
the english language is represented by a canadian flag because celeste and the celeste moutain take place in canada
should take place in america 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@antonymaidanMURICA
Yes.... we could tell... it was a joke.
For me one of the biggest distinctions mad reviewers never make is difficult vs punishing. Celeste is a tough game but it's not punishing at all, and as a rougelike player trust me I understand punishment.
Even if a game is very difficult such as (personal choices) Celeste, Furi, Hollow knight, Ghostrunner, if they are not punishing then it doesn't hurt when you lose or die. As opposed to again rougelikes where every single death is extremely punishing and can physically hurt someone new to the genre.
thinking about the first time i played celeste and having over 100 deaths in the first level.
Made me question in the second playthrough "how did i die here that often"
Farewell wasn´t released yet so i played celeste two times to 100% and then played farewell and that was something.
after 4 hours i thoguht the level was over caused of the heart but it kept going and going and going, i thought it would never end.
And now am playing it in 30 minutes through.
Those concepts of seeing actual progress is the most satisfying way to play a game. (in my opinion)
4:51 I had that feeling. I chose to look up what the point of the game was, and when i learned what the point was and that assist mode doesn't take away from your happy ending or deny you anything, I played with it on. I even ended up with full god mode just so I could move forward and experience the story. If I got too lost or stuck, I looked up the rest of the story for that chapter on TH-cam, and skipped to the next chapter to continue because I liked at least going and getting the dialogue myself.
Now, a day later, I played with my friend watching me as I streamed while i played with assist mode off, and he taught me that the game becomes a better experience if you have your hold/climb button as shift, jump as z, and x as dash. Do NOT use your pinky for climbing like I did. Hurts like a bitch even though it works.
I had watched him attempt and fail level one of b side in the first chapter and that inspired me to try it. Before that, I decided to try and get as many strawberries as I could because I wanted to utilize them for practice moving and making more complex maneuvers. When I got to the room that gave me access to b side and I finished chapter 1, I went in for it.
I got further than he ever did. he hasn't completed that and he had given up on it. This is my second day playing, and while on call with him, it was genuinely fun and now I get why people like the game.
When I played the first time, I was really personally dealing with my own mountain in real life, and didn't need or want to climb another. Today, I feel better, and climbing the mountain is fun and an achievement. Every new success and my friend losing his shit watching me improve so fast has been a hit of dopamine that i haven't felt in quite some time.
If anyone needs a reason to attempt it again, let my story be the reason. It's a lot better than i expected it to be, and I'm getting smarter and stronger with every room.
Also, mess around with b side. It's great training for the regular game even though the next areas don't have those spikes anymore.
There's a part of me that always had mixed feelings about assist mode. Mostly the extra dash feature. I understand why players might benefit from the feature but a part of me can't help but feel that it takes away some of the potency of the game's biggest moment since that extra dash is something you go through a lot of hardship and growth for Madeline to unlock.
I cant see how being color blind a issiue. Only thing in Celeste in same shape is blue and red bubble and they are in different chapters. So what is problem?
This video was a rollercoaster of emotion for me, especially when you started talking about difficulty, I went from happy, to disappointed, to angry, to relieved.
Because at first you didn't mention assist mode, which a lot of people present as the perfect solution where no one can have any issues with a difficult game, but then you did, and proceeded to blame the players not using it, I was furious, and finally I was relived when you said it wasn't a perfect solution, and presented the facts that assist mode isn't a perfect thing
I'm usually someone that does quite well at video games, my boyfriend on the other hand, struggles a lot, and quite of a few of the games he played and struggled on had assist mode, like CrossCode for example.
He stopped playing basically all of them out of frustration and difficulty, and never used assist mode, because it's insulting, it's not ill-intentioned by the devs, but it's the equivalent of the doom characters being dressed as a baby on the lower difficulty.
Honestly I've lost hope to find someone who is both good at a game, yet understand that not everyone is, and the struggles that come along with it, so, good job for not simply shitting on the "game too hard" comments and actually analyzing their issues.
I hate Celeste, the controls feels so bloody good that i can't enjoy any other platformer.
It's basically eating the best steak ever once and then you continue to eat just noodles
I kinda understand the frustration with the game’s overall difficulty. When I played the first time, C9 was already out. I went through C1-C8 having a Blast, yes it was hard, but hell I liked it. Then C9 came in and it was so hard I felt terrible. Like I felt like I was not good enough to finish this game. And yes, you are totally right about the ego thing. In that moment I was like “I cant turn on assist mode now, I came all the way here without it!”. Finally, after several hours and having double my death count, I surrendered, turned on assist mode, found out I was only 2-3 screens to finishing (I almost cried! Me ego was busted! 🤣), and… well I fount that wall at the end I couldn’t cross because I didn’t played the B-Side stages. That’s when it hit me. I was not supposed to play C9 in that moment. I believe that most people felt like that, the knew the game was hard, but weren’t prepared to the challenge or believe they where (Like me and C9), and turned out they didn’t.
Idk what they're talking about, it controls amazingly on keyboard
Dont like celeste tbh, i inherited them shaky hands from me grandma, there is just a limit of how fast i can press buttons and playing on assist mode is not swag, uninstalled and refunded. Also pure platforming aint my type of genre idk why i listened to me friend who reccomended it to me cause we both did done played hundred of hours in hollow knight.
Thank you for making this! I've thought about diving in there before but it's so frustrating to see but now I can see someone else do it.
I sometimes think 'Wow I suck at [insert game here]' but then I remember reviews like these that complain about difficulty