Is welding school worth it? Tons of thoughts to help you decide

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  • @nealesmith1873
    @nealesmith1873 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video! I once lived next to an 83 year old man who had been a soldier in WW2. Instead of carrying a rifle, he carried welding equipment and repaired things on the battlefield under combat conditions. He was an expert in oxy-acetylene and stick welding. We got along great and I wish I had asked him to teach me. But we had to move away and I never got the chance. Now I'm learning on my own with help from your videos and others. Thanks for creating all this instructional material.

  • @markdeitchman8938
    @markdeitchman8938 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    a welder psychologist! what a combo! blue collar intellectual. I think you will be very helpful to many people. great goal Greg.

    • @makingmistakeswithgreg
      @makingmistakeswithgreg  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I am at a position where I am seriously thinking about doing the schooling to become a psychologist. Believe it or not welding and psychology have a lot in common. Welding is a extremely (aka impossible) skill to master all aspects of, it is simply too broad of a category, much like learning all languages currently spoken. Psychology is impossible to master, because every person you work with provides a unique problem. Some of those problems are not in the realm of logic, but emotional, which are extremely difficult to solve. The challenge of it is what I think I would like, which is why I like welding. I have mastered many things in my life, welding is one that I have yet to do so and psychology makes welding look like folding a paper air plane lol.

  • @MyJp1983
    @MyJp1983 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Electrician here. Everything you said I had my fist in the air cheering! You hit every nail on the head buddy. For most young people, I think college is an expensive way to drink beer, so trade school is still way a head. But you have to be careful where you spend your money. My local vo-tech feels like a high-school course. Like you said, go to welding school by working for a $10/hr sweat shop. Learn on their dime and wave by when you out grow them. I love your videos, great sense of humor, you're a born teacher

    • @makingmistakeswithgreg
      @makingmistakeswithgreg  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I appreciate the kind words 😀. I wish younger people realized that pay isn’t everything. There are a ton of low pay but high skill development jobs that can put a person on a path to a living wage. In the long run it’s probably worth far more than a job paying more and no skill development. Obviously it depends on how motivated a person is in their own life to determine what’s best, but knowledge will get more money in the long run.
      Probably the most eye opening thing during the couple welding classes I took was what the instructor said at the start of class. He said “when employers call me asking about a student, they don’t care about how good they weld. They ask me 3 things, do they listen/do what they are told, do they work, and do they show up”. He then said “if the answer to any of those is no, they don’t care to hear anymore. Only if the answers were yes would they ask how good they are at welding”. Really drove home the importance of being someone worth investing into.

  • @mkearn724
    @mkearn724 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I couldn’t agree more with this video, especially when you brushed on the part about effort. I went to community for welding years ago and struggled at first quite a bit. There just wasn’t the time available for individual 1 on 1. The bad part about that is that bad habits can form and honestly they can be hard to break. When I was done going to evening classes I had a stick cert as well as an .045 dual shield cert while working in a small fab shop. I thought I was a good welder, but what I didn’t realize was there was more to welding than just flat position mig😂. shortly after that I got into an apprenticeship and it was like I was learning from scratch. I was told to run only stringers and no weaves, which was an adjustment. Booth welding helps, but real field work will teach and humble a person pretty quickly. I’ve had my ass handed to me more times than I can count, but it’s all part of learning. I’ve learned a lot from the older guys that have been there and done that. Taking suggestions and asking for help goes a long way. I still watch a lot of youtube just to try to learn more or have refreshers. Off subject….. that load block art is sick as hell bro. You did an amazing job on that. You’re content is always top notch Greg!

    • @makingmistakeswithgreg
      @makingmistakeswithgreg  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the kind comment on the art, I have a video coming out where I make it 😀. I just used a ruler and rough sketched it, then welded it. I didn’t have one to work off so it’s not quite perfect. I was bored and figured the wall needed something cool 😀.
      I liked reading how you found the real world to be a eye opener. It’s one thing to sit on a bench and position everything and a whole different thing to work on stuff you can’t move. Things that require out of position welds, poor visibility, poor weather conditions, etc. Those exact things are why I stress the importance of mastering the simplest thing: running a bead on plate perfectly. Everything else is harder and if you can’t do the easiest thing perfect good luck on anything harder. Your attitude is exactly what it takes to be a success as well, failure only happens if you give up. That’s the hardest thing of becoming good at anything really, coming back from failures and keeping at it.

  • @1stdraft611
    @1stdraft611 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    School is a great option. People can go work at a company uncertified and get experience, but you'll likely watch them hire an outsider with certifications or a diploma. If you want to get higher pay and more options, School is one of the best options.

  • @michaelkelly7859
    @michaelkelly7859 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very well said. There is something to be said for a man that, can do many things, and not just one. We all need to learn to improve and add skills if we want more performance from our situations.

    • @makingmistakeswithgreg
      @makingmistakeswithgreg  ปีที่แล้ว

      The more skills the better. Even if you don’t do everything yourself it will be hard to have someone rip you off lol.

  • @Cptnbond
    @Cptnbond ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Greg,
    Tons of advice for the aspiring welder. If you are faced that you cannot go the 'welding school path' (for various reasons), the only options that remain are 1) distance learning, i.e., watching and practicing from YT channels such as yours. 2) get some one-to-one teaching, maybe as an apprentice from some experienced guy, with short 'lessons' and then practice at home. 3) on-the-job training. You mentioned it; this prolonged process requires a very motivated individual - likely the hardest struggle. My thoughts about this are to insert 'small projects' to encourage creativity and not forget why you wanted to get into the trade in the first place. Thanks for all your effort in your channel, helping individuals reach their goals. Cheers.

    • @makingmistakeswithgreg
      @makingmistakeswithgreg  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is hard to stay motivated with self learning. There is only so many test plates and practice work a person can do before it looses its appeal. I was fortunate that I had projects (like building off road trucks) and side hustle work to allow me to have fun on real world stuff. That’s the fun part of welding, actually building cool stuff. Which is why once my basics videos are all out I will be doing a lot more building stuff videos 😀

  • @user-ru7jh5df9z
    @user-ru7jh5df9z ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Down here in Mississippi, we have workforce training at no charge to the student- all that is required is that the student procure his own basic PPE and equipment- about $200 in steel toed boots, basic hand tools, welding helmet, gloves, etc. So I did that- lasted probably 4 or 5 months, but the only thing they taught was stick and dual shield flux. Reason they did that is because the program was tailored to send folks to a local ship yard that uses those very processes. The goal of the student was to acquire certifications in 3g and 4g stick, as well as 3g and 4g flux core. I was able to get 3 of the 4 certifications without much of a problem (I never could get my 4g stick due to my injured right shoulder that prevented me from doing overhead stick to the degree that needed to be done). Along with doing that course, I taught myself welding theory by reading and watching an absolute ton of TH-cams, so I have knowledge, not necessarily skill. I managed to essentially teach myself MIG with some assistance from one of my instructors after I had finished up with the stick and flux core, so I have that skill as well. The problem, however, is that even with my flux core certifications in hand, a local fab shop that runs flux core wasn't interested in even giving me a weld test because I didn't have "experience". So that's frustrating.

    • @makingmistakeswithgreg
      @makingmistakeswithgreg  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am not saying it’s right, but if you have certifications and you can actually weld, you might have a way to get the “experience”. Welding shops go in and out of business all the time, find one in your state that went out and put it on your resume, there is no way for them to verify anything. Keep in mind a lot of undesired results can come through this, but it beats the unemployment line.
      A better idea would be to weld a set of test coupons every week and mail them to employers with a note “just welded this, I am ready to work”. Even if it takes 6 weeks to get a response it would be worth it.

  • @miketubeu
    @miketubeu ปีที่แล้ว

    Greg, another excellent video, and great comments above by some of your followers. I certainly would not argue with any of your comments and your poster’s.
    I’m 64 and retired last year. I earned a 2 year community college in electronics right after graduating high school. I was fortunate enough in my first 20 years I got to work with some very smart engineers. Like you, they shared their knowledge and wisdom if you wanted to learn. As much as I wanted to go back to college, my weakest strength was writing, spelling and communication. My last 24 years was working for a big phone company, Engineering Assistant, which I could have done right out of High School with the knowledge my father had taught me.
    I signed up about 10 years ago taking an introductory welding class. The biggest mistake I made was I had in my mind not to watch any You Tube Videos. I sucked at welding and should have watch said videos because like you said, getting individual time with an instructor may have helped. So, 10 years later I have a little repair to do on my utility trailer, nothing structural. Like you said practice, practice, practice. I certainly feel way more confident with previous purchased Stick welding machine, ESAB Mini Arc 161. So much so, I went out and purchased 125 Flux Mig machine to try and weld/repair 18 ga material. Not sure if I’m regretting said purchase over Harbor Freight Titanium 125, my machine, Tooliom 135A, has synergic settings. Now I need more practice 😊, Thanks Greg
    Greg, you sound just like my Dad who were self-taught men, that I put in the category of Jack-of-all Trades and Master of All versus none.

    • @makingmistakeswithgreg
      @makingmistakeswithgreg  ปีที่แล้ว

      I am glad you are gaining confidence and getting better 😀. So much in life comes down to spending a lot of time in the “I suck at this” stage without knowing how long you’re going to be there. Then ontop of that bytime you realize how you should have put more effort in to get better, you’re in the middle of a project, and regretting not doing it. The good news is it’s never too late to embrace sucking at new skills, (and by not giving up) you will get good at it.
      Age doesn’t take away from the moment you realize you can do something well for the first time, that’s what makes developing hard skills like welding worth it. 😀

  • @markdeitchman8938
    @markdeitchman8938 ปีที่แล้ว

    I should add that you are an excellent communicator. and I suspect you would also are a very good listener. so you will do good at whatever you choose to do.

  • @jimmywilson1388
    @jimmywilson1388 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ll be honest with you I haven’t welded anything until about a month ago in 20 years. I’ve got a couple of friends that are professional welders, fabricators, and machinists… I haven’t talked to them since I’ve got my little titanium 125 welder… I’m just more of a hands on learner and I like to watch guys like you on TH-cam. I pick up little tips and tricks here and there. If a was in a class reading out of a book for 3 months before I ever even get to weld anything, I would probably loose interest by then…😅 I know the basics, I’ve welded a little bit with a mig, flux core, and stick welder. I want to learn tig so bad but I want to get better with my little flux core welder before I attempt anything like that…😂 I’m not an idiot, I know how to not kill myself and I’m sure I’m already years away from most people just starting out… I’ve been working on things most of my life and you learn a lot along the way from older guys that really know what they are doing… Most of these kids nowadays probably haven’t ever worked on anything… In that situation I’m sure class is important but for me I’ll just figure it out by myself… I’ll never be a “professional welder” anyway… That’s my opinion on it.

    • @makingmistakeswithgreg
      @makingmistakeswithgreg  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In your situation you’re perfect for the self taught situation. You have the patience and the mindset for it likely. And like you said you don’t want to do it for a living. Without a doubt you can achieve a high level of skill with the mindset of trying to pickup tips/tricks and practice stuff. For people in your situation you’re not wrong, you might have to sit through 2-3 semesters just to get to stuff that is directly relevant to what you want to learn. That is the primary reason I chose not to go back to college to further my skill level in welding. I don’t want to do it for a living and I would be forced to take classes that I am more advanced than just to get to classes that are new (the local schools don’t allow you to test out of lower classes). That’s ok though, because that really done at affect the useable skill that I (or you) can achieve.

    • @jimmywilson1388
      @jimmywilson1388 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@makingmistakeswithgreg Yes sir, one of my friends works at Komatsu all he does is program a CNC machines to weld… lol but he is a professional welder. My other friend is a machinist and knows a lot about different metals and stuff. A metallurgist or whatever… He delivers crap for door dash…🤦🏻😆 But I just got tired of having to get somebody to weld something up for me. I love to learn stuff by myself. My buddy at Komatsu told me he could get me a job there welding the teeth back on buckets and stuff for like 20 an hour but that seems like it would get old quick and hell that’s what I make now and it’s way easier and cleaner work environment… But I’ve learned a lot from you and i appreciate it. You should come up with some little projects to work on. I think it would help your channel out a lot. Maybe build a fire pit or a work table or something or even just real life welding situations… But I love your channel buddy. Keep up the good work…💪🏼👍🏼

    • @makingmistakeswithgreg
      @makingmistakeswithgreg  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jimmywilson1388 I will have some projects coming up 😀 and that’s a great idea. When I relocate to a new (temp) shop I will be focusing on a lot of let’s build and less of “how to weld”. It’s far more time consuming to do how to videos than just “this is what I did” videos, and since I have the time now I figured I would get the harder stuff out of the way. 😀

    • @jimmywilson1388
      @jimmywilson1388 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@makingmistakeswithgreg Good idea

  • @johngersna3263
    @johngersna3263 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good morning Greg. I've commented a few times on your channel and I have to tell you that you've done a great service to a lot of young people with this video. You're not only a great teacher but you have a lot of common sense and you pass it on to others. I also believe that you are making a difference. I'm an old man and I can tell you that I've learned a lot from your videos. God bless and keep teaching. 👍👍🙂

  • @VortekXtiik
    @VortekXtiik ปีที่แล้ว

    Welding school’s important but also real world experience is better, if you are in welding school, don’t only pay attention to the welding, at least in my school we touched a little bit on rigging, knots, hoisting signals, learn what the mainline is and learn what the whip line is on a crane, Very important stuff once you are in the field. Also pass the tools with the handle pointing to the person grabbing it! Work safely and don’t smoke dope!

  • @Justforfun-ek7et
    @Justforfun-ek7et ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve wanted to go to welding school but I’ve been spending money on welders, equipment, PPE, and materials and just welding stuff (practicing) I’ve gotten to the point that I can MIG weld really well, stick weld good, and TIG like a kindergartner. But I’m still teaching myself.

    • @makingmistakeswithgreg
      @makingmistakeswithgreg  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Honestly your path isn’t a bad way to go. Considering the cost of schooling you can definitely buy a lot of practice material and welders. If you have the motivation to put the work in it can pay off. To help people out like you, I am going to be setting up a little online “TH-cam school” soon. Basically a checklist that has required welds you must complete to a high standard and upon completing them you can submit proof to get a certificate. Now the certificate won’t be worth much (since I am not a accredited institution lol) but I hope the program will help keep people motivated to put in the effort to better themselves and their skills. Self taught people (and people without a lot of money) should still get credit for skills developed on their own.

    • @foggynight
      @foggynight 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@makingmistakeswithgreg Great idea with the youtube welding school, hope it comes to be.

  • @Liazon098
    @Liazon098 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your story.

  • @lilPeanut1028
    @lilPeanut1028 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Greg, I totally agree with everything you said. Do you have any welding schools that you would highly recommend? Or are you a welding instructor at a welding school yourself?

    • @makingmistakeswithgreg
      @makingmistakeswithgreg  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don’t have a recommendation for a particular school. However I do have some suggestions. If you’re going to go to school for welding do the accredited college route, and take either a 1 year certificate or 2 year degree. During that time learn as much as you can. Find a way to buy yourself a decent welder and practice/do side jobs at home while in school. Today you have the benefit of having thousands of teachers on TH-cam so a combination of real college credits and a TH-cam “degree” will put you in a real good spot for sure. You could also pay a expert welder some money to sit down 1 on 1 with you to help you get better. The instructor at school should do this however most instructors are not great at all forms of welding, typically one or two only. So if you want to be great at tig and the instructors aren’t experts at it, you may need to gain knowledge from someone else.
      I am not a instructor, I probably could be if I wanted to. The issue I have with doing so is the pay is often so much less than the field I am in I wouldn’t be able to afford to do the whole TH-cam deal and my other hobbies. I also like making videos and not having anyone to answer to, so I will stick to the internet land for now lol.

    • @lilPeanut1028
      @lilPeanut1028 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@makingmistakeswithgreg Thank you so much for providing me with such extensive feedback. You truly are an amazing TH-camr,Greg! I appreciate it, and I will definitely take your input into serious consideration.

  • @stovolbelinche3178
    @stovolbelinche3178 ปีที่แล้ว

    i got a quick qustion i love the desing on the welding hood what tpe of desing and brand is it

  • @stovolbelinche3178
    @stovolbelinche3178 ปีที่แล้ว

    if you whants to be pycogist go for it
    i am trying to get at lest a bit better at english becous i came from moscow russia befor this almost point less war also i have been what you call maby " binge " waching welsing since like 9:00 pm eastern time
    i hope i used the quotaion right that would be some what embarsing 😂😅
    olso not sure if i want to learn more of this english or learn more welding but not being able to talk to boss cold be a problem
    haha not an expert but can weld razor blads to geter heheh
    idoes whant to learn oxy stick tig mig carbon rod cutting and ironworking i know this becous i am motivated and as hardhead as a t-34 tank this is just probley a two edged sword 😅

    • @makingmistakeswithgreg
      @makingmistakeswithgreg  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have a really good ability to understand written language so I understood everything you said 😀. You are doing far better than I would learning Russian 😀. One great thing with welding is it’s a universal skill that exists outside of language barriers. It’s definitely a very useful skill to have because even in the hardest times you can make money doing it.