From Glory to Grief - Indiana high school Final 4 hoops stars who died young
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- For no common reason, tragic early deaths awaited a surprising number of those who starred between 1972 and 1980 at the festival of youth and liveliness that is the Hoosier State's high school basketball Final 4.
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Jack Moore reminded me a bit of myself. I was born in 1960. I was "almost 5'10" and a lefty. I idolized Walt Frazier of the Knicks. Moore seemed like he was pretty tenacious. I loved sports. They called me "Little Tommy Sauer, Mr. Sports man". I could shoot from deep. One guy I played against said his coach told him to guard me closer. He said if he did he'd be out of bounds. Enough about me. These are tragic stories but yet these guys were so great. Thank you sir. Let us not take life for granted. Rest in Peace to them all. God is taking care of them. I did make 90/100 free throws once. I remember I was at 89/99. Wow, I had to make that last one. Nothing but net. I never tried improving on it. It was a psychological thing.
I don't mean to brag, but I guess I am. As a freshman in High school, I swished a shot from deep in the left corner with a couple seconds left to win by one. I was even fouled on the shot and missed the free throw but it didn't matter.
I was honorable mention All State. I've had a few people, including an opposing coach in the paper say they've never seen anyone shoot that well. I tried walking on the University of South Dakota. I would light them up. But this was only seen by the players. One day the coach called me in and said I wasn't wanted. The players were like WTF. Oh well.
Nice sentiments. Thanks for contributing your thoughts. Where did "Little Tommy Sauer" live?
@brianarbenz1329 Cherokee, IA is where my parents house was. The Knicks were almost always on the Sunday CBS game of the week. The Chiefs games were always broadcast on NBC because it was kind of local. I absolutely loved it.
@@tomsauer3830 Sounds like you've got some great memories of sports accomplishments.
Thanks for sharing
Brian, just found your documentary as a recommended viewing for me. Added you to get a few more to follow, but keep up the good work and showing your love for sports. Thanks for sharing these young athletes who died so early in life.
Thank you! What a nice surprise to find it was recommended to your channel, and that you like it. Great to know that. Hope you'll spread the word about this and other videos on my channel.
EXCELLENT!!! Great Documentary!!!!
Thank you! I am very glad you found this a good documentary to watch. I wish these young men didn't have to be gone so soon. They each had so much more living and contributing to the world left in them.
Thanks for sharing the stories of these young men. Anyone interested in Indiana basketball history will appreciate your sensitive telling of these players’ too-short lives.
I remember watching him as a kid. He was a bad young man. A sad day when this happened. RIP JM - fell in Love with Basketball because of You...
I was trying to figure out which player you meant. Then I saw the initials... And thanks for commenting!
This is pretty good stuff Brian ...
BTW, that was also Chet Coppock interviewing Stacey Toran ...
He was a terrific commentator here in Chicago and just passed away a few years ago ...
Thanks for that info on Mr. Coppock. He had a great line not included on that clip. He told Stacey Toran it's appropriate you're going to Notre Dame, because you just pulled you're first Hail Mary! That was clever. And I'm glad you like the video.
@@brianarbenz1329 Yes Brian ... and Tommy Baker was not only a pretty talented guard, but he also became a symbol of Knight's commitment to maintaining a clean program ...
It was late 70s - I think, IU was in the Great Alaskan Shootout holiday tourney when a few IU players were supposedly smoking weed at a party up there between games ...
Knight kicked Baker and Donny Cox off the team, and disciplined Ray Tolbert and Butch Carter ... thanks again for this VID ... I just SUBBED.
@@douglascarlson9006 Thanks for the Sub! ... The way I remember the 1978 IU expulsions was that each player was asked one at a time if they had smoked pot. Each one who answered yes was suspended for one game, but Tommy and, I recall it being two others, but maybe it was one, were deemed to be lying, so the coach dismissed them permanently. Stories I checked for making this vid said specifics were kept confidential by Knight's office.
@@brianarbenz1329 Those were days Brian ...
Who would have ever thought that they would essentially wave the long standing rules against traveling and double dribble ...
I've been completely alienated from the NBA game and college game is not far behind ... I just don't get it.
@@douglascarlson9006 TV doesn't want spectacular drives to the hoop nullified by any pesky traveling call. And there is too much TV-supplied money wrapped up in coaches' and ADs' salaries these days. John Wooden made $80,000 top salary in 1975, including his speaking and basketball camp fees. John Calipari made $8.1 million at Kentucky.
I’m so old I remember when IU was relevant. Do u??
Relevant in basketball, I'm presuming you mean. (It's a great university, of course.) Oh yes, I was a senior in high school when IU won the title undefeated in 1976. I remember that vividly.
Won a bet on Keith smart shot
@@bill-to7ir Well, you win some, you lose some!
Wow i lost a bet on that ripple buzzard beater shot on marion and never new stacy toran was that player being a raider fan in LA when he was killed
I’ve only been to 1 Indiana State Championship game. 1990. I’m from Missouri but I had moved to Indiana with my job. My girlfriend who had graduated in 1989 got a couple tickets and we got our championship t shirts and headed to the Hoosier Dome for the game. Her high school won the game and the championship. The game was the most attended game in history. It still is the record. Over 41,000 fans.
I watched em win against saracuse in 87 because I was big fan of calbert Chaney and Steve Alford and uofl was out of the picture
@@MukesBoy We had a surprise snow storm that day and the cable was off in my apartment, so I decided I "needed" to go down to the Courier-Journal sports department that night to get some work done, which by amazing coincidence was just as the title game was on TV. Would you believe it, the TV hookup was out there, too. But in the early minutes, it came back on and I "worked" at watching one of the best championship games ever. When Keith Smart hit that final shot, even a bunch of cynical, seen-it-all sports journalists were whooping it up.
I covered the 1991 Final 4 at the Hoosier Dome and it was a fabulous atmosphere. Just as you saw Damon Bailey, I saw the matchup between Glenn Robinson and Alan Henderson, and saw Steve Hart and Brian Evans from Terre Haute South.
Watched the '94 game in the dome with Bryce Drew and Co. Single class basketball with the championship in the dome was an unbelievable experience.
@@kevinnewell6167 I was courtside for that Final 4, as part of Courier-Journal coverage. Remarkable talent and exciting finishes!
I didn't know Tony Winburn was on that plane. His family is tight friends with my family too. I wonder if that's why Bud And Richie went to Evansville
I remember watching Richie play for U of E in an NCAA tourney game in a hotel while I was on the road covering the Indiana high school tourney.
@@brianarbenz1329 That's cool. Richie played every position in some of those games while Bud played PF SF SG. They were different
Brain, do you remember cousins Bubby Mukes And Richie Johnson who played for Evansville from 82 to 86? Bud is my uncle and Richie my cousin. Bud scored 26 against Central Michigan in 86 and I think that was his best game before going pro. Richie was the only guy besides Ervin Johnson that I heard of in that era to be able to play every position at 6ft8
I certainly do, and I went to high school with Norman Mukes, who I believe was Richie Johnson's godparent, if I recall correctly. I remember Norman, Charlie Mitchell, Greg Cornelius and (RIP) Steve Miller towering around those hallways. I felt like I was short at 6 feet tall.
@@brianarbenz1329 Hey man that's really cool! You're dead in about Norman. He's still got unbroken records at NHS but Romeo might have gotten one. I sometimes wish I'd have stayed playing for Lillian Emery under Rex Bliss
@@MukesBoy I'm living in Evansville and was here when the aces plane went down
@@MukesBoy The portion at about the 3 15 mark with the title "from Glory to Grief" and the somber music shows the opening tip off of the '73 state title game. Charlie Mitchell gets the tip and Julius Norman instantly hits a basket. I just needed some undefined basketball footage and had been watching the films of that final 4 and decided that would be ideal.
I was 14 and a 9th grader at Hazelwood when that remarkable win happened. It made the community go wild.
This was good
Thank you. I'm glad you like it. If you feel so inclined, I hope you'll pass the word.
Tests on Toran found he had a BAC of .32, more than three times the legal limit of .10 (now .08) in California. Because of that and because of it being 11:30 PM he probably never saw the curb that caused his car to flip over several times, which allowed for his ejection and subsequent death. Toran was well on his way to stardom when he passed.
Indeed he was. Stacey had so much going well in his life. His death reminds us how everything can end in an instant because of a careless decision or two. Stay safe, all.
You left out Jim Bradley who was found dead in a alley in Denver.
You are correct. I had not kept up on Jim Bradley's life, and his death at 29 was news to me. Thanks for making me aware his sad ending. (Actually, it was Portland, Ore. where he died, but you know that basic story, which I did not.)
I played in H.S. against Bradley ...
Lew Alcindor actually made a trip to E.C. on behalf of Wooden to recruit him ...
Story has it that Wooden only visited the home of two players on recruiting trips ... Walton and Alcindor ...
And here's a trivia question from that era: What were Alcindor's final CBB schools before choosing UCLA?
ANSWER: In addition to UCLA, he also considered St. John's and Michigan.
@@douglascarlson9006 I remember Jim Bradley playing for the Kentucky Colonels in the ABA, though no specific action. He was bid on by the Colonels and the NBA's Lakers. Jim McDaniel of Western Kentucky U. was bid on by those same two teams. Kentucky got both, but to little avail.
Jim Bradley was found in an alley in Portland, not Denver.
drugs are a larger contrib to social problems than is thought. if you work in the people business-social work, teaching, medical, LE, etc. you see this. but its true, if you have fame or wealth, it can buy you out of prison time.
You'll never be arrested if you are well to do, because drug purchases and use are almost always indoor. In poor areas, the dealing tends to be done out of doors, usually by non-residents of the housing project or neighborhood who convene there. So arresting does not require a warrant.