My first DnD group had a similar thing happen as the second story. Dm wanted his friend to be the main character, had written several story beats making this guy basically "the chosen one" and main protagonist, designed for him custom weapon that would grow in power as the story progressed and treated everyone else as if they were wasting time if they did anything other than roll and pass their turn. Worst experience ever, still sparked a love for DnD in general though.
I unfortunately have a family member that is aggressively passive aggressive. So I definitely have sympathy for the OP of the second story. I'm glad the first story put a stop to the scam before any money was lost. Scammers are the worst.
major sketchy set up, right from the get go... Don't worry Taylor, we all get scammed from time to time. I ordered a high end Batgirl costume off of EBay.. the one they sent was NOT what I ordered. The one they sent was about 1/4th the value.
That first story is a scam at it's finest. If you have pay to play. Don't play it's not worth it. Second story koodos for standing up for yourself. I infact almost raged quit playing because everyone else wanted to control my character. It was getting to the point where I wanted to rip up my character sheet and through it all over the table. Saying there now y'all can control him all over the table.
Ok 80 bucks per month for DnD?? Hell no. In regards to story 2, I dont know OPs history with these people but guilt tripping is also a hard F--king no. Regardless another wonderful video Taylor, Happy Wednesday.
_"I never believed these letters were real until this happened to me..."_ That was the start of many letters to the editor for an adult magazine. The contents would inevitably be some scenario that were just too unbelievable. Reddit stories are just like those letters.
The anxiety one sounds so horrible, I experienced my own developing anxiety and panic attacks and can relate so much. Good on them for getting away from that group. Also, btw I think you look good with your glasses on, gives such a comfy reading me a story vibe heh ❤
I started playing DnD in 1975, a frugal college student, it irritates me every time I hear people charge to run the game. I understood giving money for snacks and drinks, but even then when I was running games later in life when I had a good paying job, I would provide them to my players, mostly because I knew what it was like when I struggled to buy the rules, even though at the time each book was $5. $80? That person should be drawn and quartered!
80 dollars is reasonable, look what DMs ask for per session on serious websites and platforms. It pays for their time, for the art they use, for the books, for the convinience and organization. Its different if you play with friends.
@@monkeibusiness I respectfully disagree. If you read my reply to the video, you should have seen that I said it was a game that we cash strapped college kids could afford to play. I bought the first hard back DnD book at a gaming convention in Jacksonville Fl for 14 dollars and it was the most I paid for a rule book at that time. I thought it was a bit hefty in price, but it was the Monster Manual. What I was getting at, even though now I have more then enough money to pay someone 80 dollars to run a game I would never do it because it goes against the gaming struggles I had in my younger life.
@@georgemeyers4894 Inflation is real, sadly. So is an increased cost of living. Everything gets monetized, and it sucks. So I understand where you are coming from. My "income" from running games directly goes to artist (music, artwork, maps), which then gets used in free games and oneshots. It is a lot of work running games online. My time is valuable, and even if I play with friends the expenses can and should be shared. Hobbies are expensive these days. Things changed. Things got monetized a lot. I think last time each player paid 80 dollars total for a whole campaign, 15 sessions or so. I think its fine, but I get how you can see it differently. I also think its important that I offer completely free stuff as a DM for my friends and friends to be.
$20 a session isn't crazy, especially on startplaying, i play in quite a few that range from $5 - $35 a session and try to run my own games at around $10-15....
Yeah... it's hard to justify charging for DnD. If you're great at teaching the game to newbs or you have custom art and all that, I can sort of see it, or if you're a celebrity maybe so... but Joe Blow down the street... nuh uh. Glad that person bailed before they got ripped off. I'm sorry you have been scammed. I hope you never deal with that again.
I played paid D&D games. And the way how it was and I think the kudos due to the DM, it was literally in the first message explaining how the campaign works. Not to mention, that it was clearly explained how the payments will go through the start playing or whatnot. This is how it should be. I would feel cheated otherwise. Or the very least, I will feel that my time is wasted.
That the first story wasn't upfront about the money is a huge red flag something is off. Twenty a session is common on Startplayer. But.. you may be able to get a refund if something happens. Yes, giving strangers 80 dollars you can't vet is generally a bad idea.
I once had a DM of a session I was wanting to play in, message me at 4am, I was ill that morning so I replied, he wanted to know what class I will be playing, as it was still two weeks away I told him I was still weighing my options, in his mind, he took this to mean I was weighing my options of playing with other tables instead of his, and that I wasn't sounding enthusiastic about the game... He knew full well it was 4am my time when messaging me, but he banned me from the server and blocked me, they then told everyone in the D&D server that I was an unreliable player...
The second story seems like the person may be framing it in a more sympathetic light but it sounds like they got upset because someone else had them getting mad in their backstory. Usually as a DM, I treat the player's backstory as their point of view about what happened, but it doesn't override canon. There's really not enough information about what actually happened to say they were an ass to the player, but if the player had just believed they were being passive aggressive and they weren't and the player got mad about it, then I can see it triggering a response where the person actually was being a jerk to them. That happens all the time in D&D. Player 1 will think Player 2 is being a jerk to them when they're totally unaware that they're pissing off the other player, then Player 1 will start either calling it out causing confusion or just treating Player 2 the way they think Player 2 is treating them, and then Player 2 does start actually treating Player 1 like crap. It's usually best to assume the other person is not doing anything intentionally because most of the time they're not. I get panic attacks myself and it just seems like there has to be more to the story than that.
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My first DnD group had a similar thing happen as the second story. Dm wanted his friend to be the main character, had written several story beats making this guy basically "the chosen one" and main protagonist, designed for him custom weapon that would grow in power as the story progressed and treated everyone else as if they were wasting time if they did anything other than roll and pass their turn. Worst experience ever, still sparked a love for DnD in general though.
First story reminded me of one from LootGoblin where the DM had a Pay to Win set-up. Honestly, these stories makes me fear pay games
I unfortunately have a family member that is aggressively passive aggressive. So I definitely have sympathy for the OP of the second story.
I'm glad the first story put a stop to the scam before any money was lost. Scammers are the worst.
3:29 Just FYA that's British Pounds. Also if anyone is curious about the current exchange rates. 1USD($) = .76GBP(£), 1USD($) = .9EUR(€)
major sketchy set up, right from the get go... Don't worry Taylor, we all get scammed from time to time. I ordered a high end Batgirl costume off of EBay.. the one they sent was NOT what I ordered. The one they sent was about 1/4th the value.
That first story is a scam at it's finest. If you have pay to play. Don't play it's not worth it.
Second story koodos for standing up for yourself. I infact almost raged quit playing because everyone else wanted to control my character. It was getting to the point where I wanted to rip up my character sheet and through it all over the table. Saying there now y'all can control him all over the table.
wow thats not fun!
Ok 80 bucks per month for DnD?? Hell no. In regards to story 2, I dont know OPs history with these people but guilt tripping is also a hard F--king no. Regardless another wonderful video Taylor, Happy Wednesday.
_"I never believed these letters were real until this happened to me..."_ That was the start of many letters to the editor for an adult magazine. The contents would inevitably be some scenario that were just too unbelievable.
Reddit stories are just like those letters.
The anxiety one sounds so horrible, I experienced my own developing anxiety and panic attacks and can relate so much. Good on them for getting away from that group.
Also, btw I think you look good with your glasses on, gives such a comfy reading me a story vibe heh ❤
I started playing DnD in 1975, a frugal college student, it irritates me every time I hear people charge to run the game. I understood giving money for snacks and drinks, but even then when I was running games later in life when I had a good paying job, I would provide them to my players, mostly because I knew what it was like when I struggled to buy the rules, even though at the time each book was $5. $80? That person should be drawn and quartered!
80 dollars is reasonable, look what DMs ask for per session on serious websites and platforms. It pays for their time, for the art they use, for the books, for the convinience and organization. Its different if you play with friends.
@@monkeibusiness I respectfully disagree. If you read my reply to the video, you should have seen that I said it was a game that we cash strapped college kids could afford to play. I bought the first hard back DnD book at a gaming convention in Jacksonville Fl for 14 dollars and it was the most I paid for a rule book at that time. I thought it was a bit hefty in price, but it was the Monster Manual. What I was getting at, even though now I have more then enough money to pay someone 80 dollars to run a game I would never do it because it goes against the gaming struggles I had in my younger life.
@@georgemeyers4894 Inflation is real, sadly. So is an increased cost of living. Everything gets monetized, and it sucks. So I understand where you are coming from.
My "income" from running games directly goes to artist (music, artwork, maps), which then gets used in free games and oneshots.
It is a lot of work running games online. My time is valuable, and even if I play with friends the expenses can and should be shared. Hobbies are expensive these days. Things changed. Things got monetized a lot.
I think last time each player paid 80 dollars total for a whole campaign, 15 sessions or so. I think its fine, but I get how you can see it differently. I also think its important that I offer completely free stuff as a DM for my friends and friends to be.
Second story: I think the weirdness you felt in the story was due to OP trying to be coherant without triggering themselves.
fair
$20 per session is pretty common on startplaying. But yeah, this tactic was sleazy.
$20 a session isn't crazy, especially on startplaying, i play in quite a few that range from $5 - $35 a session and try to run my own games at around $10-15....
Ah, but it's not $20 a session, it's $80 a month. I would worry too.
@@starofjustice1 i guess assuming one session a week 4 weeks in a month, on some months you may even be getting a better deal than $20 a session!
Yeah... it's hard to justify charging for DnD. If you're great at teaching the game to newbs or you have custom art and all that, I can sort of see it, or if you're a celebrity maybe so... but Joe Blow down the street... nuh uh. Glad that person bailed before they got ripped off. I'm sorry you have been scammed. I hope you never deal with that again.
I played paid D&D games. And the way how it was and I think the kudos due to the DM, it was literally in the first message explaining how the campaign works. Not to mention, that it was clearly explained how the payments will go through the start playing or whatnot. This is how it should be. I would feel cheated otherwise. Or the very least, I will feel that my time is wasted.
Hey, dont be embarassed. Ive been scammed too. Nothing to be ashamed of, sometimes its well disguised
That the first story wasn't upfront about the money is a huge red flag something is off. Twenty a session is common on Startplayer. But.. you may be able to get a refund if something happens. Yes, giving strangers 80 dollars you can't vet is generally a bad idea.
I miss playing dnd with my friends, but all these kind of stories scare me from going into a discord server lmao
I once had a DM of a session I was wanting to play in, message me at 4am, I was ill that morning so I replied, he wanted to know what class I will be playing, as it was still two weeks away I told him I was still weighing my options, in his mind, he took this to mean I was weighing my options of playing with other tables instead of his, and that I wasn't sounding enthusiastic about the game... He knew full well it was 4am my time when messaging me, but he banned me from the server and blocked me, they then told everyone in the D&D server that I was an unreliable player...
The second story seems like the person may be framing it in a more sympathetic light but it sounds like they got upset because someone else had them getting mad in their backstory. Usually as a DM, I treat the player's backstory as their point of view about what happened, but it doesn't override canon. There's really not enough information about what actually happened to say they were an ass to the player, but if the player had just believed they were being passive aggressive and they weren't and the player got mad about it, then I can see it triggering a response where the person actually was being a jerk to them. That happens all the time in D&D. Player 1 will think Player 2 is being a jerk to them when they're totally unaware that they're pissing off the other player, then Player 1 will start either calling it out causing confusion or just treating Player 2 the way they think Player 2 is treating them, and then Player 2 does start actually treating Player 1 like crap. It's usually best to assume the other person is not doing anything intentionally because most of the time they're not. I get panic attacks myself and it just seems like there has to be more to the story than that.
80 dollars per month is reasonable for good games. What they did is not.
I was scammed once.
You freakin deserve it too!!!