Should be pointed out, after the restoration of the Crown, they dug up Oliver's body and cut his head off the corpse and put it, like his ancestor, on a spike on the Westminster Hall. There it stayed for about 50 years.
It’s one thing to cut the heads off of your enemies but to cut the heads of your loyal servants just because you’re mad at them is insane even in the 16th century.
Henry was terrible for it. Killed 7-8.000 Thomas was very loyal. Henry always blamed everyone else. Especially if he relied on you. And didn't get his way.
Sort of weird considering how “gentlemanly” the English are today. But only a brutal and repressive people would have been able to carve out such a vast empire during the colonial era for instance. It appears that Hitler humbled and chastened the English during WWII and they changed their behavior soon after the war.
@@westyraviz West you appear to be selective in your understanding, the English from a very small land innovated, invented, explored, developed, engineered, built beyond any other countries wildest dreams or imagination down to the concept of fresh running water, solid insulated long lasting houses and buildings, sewers, toilets, railways, electricity, telephones, roads, railways, bridges, exploring far and wide for oil then finding it and handing it over to the backward natives who had no idea what it was or what it was for, medicines, hospitals, hospital instruments, surgery, education, in fact pretty much everything that you and the rest of the world take for granted today. England travelled the world building railways, running water, roads, schools, systems for the locals. England and the rest of the U.K. were certainly not cowed by Hitler and given that England was on the winning side against the might of Germany in two wars your perception is cock eyed. The fact that England developed from medieval times is a credit which lead to the principles of a fair justice system and liberal concepts on punishment which have been taken up by the rest of the now civilised world. England learned from its experiences and built a civilised world, other countries are a long way beyond catching up to medieval standards and would still be running around without shoes and shipping in the woods if it wasn’t for the English.
@@BobK5 You are certainly correct in regards to the UK’s influence around the world, but the truth is, nobody in the UK expected to win or even hold off the German army in WW2. The British were truly humbled and it has reverberated to this day
She did actually look like Holbein’s painting. But Henry approached her dressed as a poet/musician with the idea that she would fall in love with him at first sight. The first thing he did was try to kiss her. She didn’t know it was him ofc (she’d never met him & he was ugly and smelly and dressed weird) so she rebuked him. He got upset that she didn’t fall in love with him immediately and started to call her ugly and fat afterwards.
Anna was liked and seen to be pretty by everyone. She looked like her portrait. There was nothing wrong with her😭 her supposed bad looks seem more like an excuse to end the marriage than a legitimate reason
Ironic that Cromwell suffered the same fate as Ann Boleyn. Except her beheading was quick and clean. I wonder if any thoughts about what he had done to set her up ever cross his mind while he was imprisoned in the tower?
@@robertlaube574 - Facts though 😕💯 People can get mad or laugh if they want to, but Anne had innocent people put to death as well, and for what?! Henry threw her away just like he had already done w/so many before her. She was stupid. I don't accuse her of incest or any of the nonsense they tried to sling at her of course... but still, she wasn't innocent either. She was a pretty manipulative person, and encouraged Henry to treat Queen Catherine like dirt.
At best, men like Henry VIII and Cromwell are "deeply religious" only in order to avoid being held accountable in the next life. That kind of "christianity" is merely another form of devil-worship. Christianity isn't supposed to be mainly about your own self-preservation.
Christianity is all about self-preservation, but based on true divine worship and brotherly love, not duplicity and temporal power. Men like Henry VIII and Thomas Cromwell were "deeply religious" but possibly for the sake of their own wealth and power in this life and not to avoid accountability in the next life. They were quite willing that lies be fabricated about Katherine of Aragon and then Anne Boleyn once those Queens fell out of Henry VIII's favor. For centuries many governments have pretended to serve God only to support false claims to their own legitimacy. Indeed if Henry VIII or Thomas Cromwell were at all reasonably well versed in the Bible they could not have been believers. After all, the bible is quite clear about the fate of religious hypocrites and those who practice duplicity for whatever motives. It is of course possible that these men actually did believe in a form of "Christianity" in which form over substance would be sufficient to save their souls. But if they believed that they were very badly deceived, indeed.
@@Steveross2851 Cromwell was genuinely religious though? Looking at his actions and you can clearly see he wasn’t operating for gain or currency with the king. it wasn’t for monetary benefit, he repeatedly put a lot of his own money into the reformation cause. And he did much at the risk of his own life - his connections with the Swiss reformers suggest his beliefs wouldve been far too “heretical” for Henry’s tastes. Cromwell pushed for an English bible and spent ages persuading the king to agree, and again, paid for it himself. And in the end, his beliefs did kill him - along with the classism of the nobles. He was executed not just as a traitor but as a heretic. (And for what it’s worth he was very well versed in the bible, he had Erasmus’s testament memorised cover to cover)
The idea that Cromwell was only religious for self-preservation is pretty well challenged at this point. What you’re talking about is from historiography that’s 120 years out of date. Just look at his actions, it’s clearly not someone who was using religion as merely a way to benefit himself. I mean he died for his beliefs in the end. If it was simply about self-preservation, why not take the easier option and just agree with Henry on every point? It doesn’t make any sense
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I don't think Henry fully thought this out. Thomas Cromwell was brilliant. But because he was a commoner, Nobles resented him and maneuvered to get him removed.
So true. And it's so messed up how some uneducated people still want to make excuses for him and exalt him. The jousting accident didn't make him evil, he was evil long before that. His treatment of Catherine, Mary, Thomas More, Cardinal Fisher and the 2O+ Carthusian monks was before the accident. He was just an asshole and people need to accept that. Even today there are a few clowns who justify his actions and blame all his wives except for Anne of Cleves and Catherine Parr for things that were his fault. People call Queen Mary bloody, but Mary was a thousand times better than this fucker, and she killed *much* less people a year than he did. At least Mary was badly abused, neglected and sometimes starved by her father and had a very tragic life. Nobody ever abused Henry.
I read a book about Henry VIII that made exactly this point. Both Henry and Stalin always kept two sides at each other's throats. When one side would start to get too strong, he'd attack them, call them traitors, and execute or exile them, throwing his support to the other side. Until that side started to get too strong, and then he'd switch back. Becoming too popular or powerful under Henry or Stalin was a good way to get killed.
Ive seen Cromwell played by number of actors, like in Anne of thousand days, the other Boleyn girl, a Man for all Seasons, always portrayed as a ruthless, nasty, scheming bastard. But Mark Rylance, in Wolfs Hall series, gave him much more human face, more calm, reasoned, and i never knew Cromwell lost his young kids and wife to the plague, maybe thats what pushed him over the edge,made him ruthless. ?
I don't think it was the loss of his wife and children that made him ruthless, deeply though he mourned them, it was the knowledge that he must at all cost please the king who was a demonic ego maniac suffering from syphilis.
Karma is a belief in the Hindu religion & is NOT a Christian concept at all. Anyone who's in hell is there for rejecting God's laws & mercy. As a Protestant, the more I'm learning about history & what Cstholicism actually teaches, I've come to realize thecoriginal reformers like Henry VIII, Martin Luther, John Calvin, etc destroyed what was great about Western society & we are only recently coming to truly see that. Here's to the reunification of all Christians into one church.
@@southbug27 When people say karma they essentially mean 'someone repeating the results of their previous actions', which the Bible does say: 'you reap what you sow.' This is the problem with religious people is being so focused on 'my religion vs others' when fundamentally your viewpoint should be less judgemental..which is, you know, what Christ taught, to not be judgemental?
I wish they’d make more Tudor documentary’s, films and online episodes! Especially the stories of Thomas Cromwell, More, Wolsey, Sir Franner Bryan...anyone who’s a Tudor fan know the gang, and their are so many of them from that time with fascinating life stories.
It has been estimated that by HIIV's time, the church and the monasteries owned 20% of the wealth in England, and the government was broke. Dissolution of the e
Monasteries corrected the issue of the church's undue influence over the economy. Every other country in Europe except for Spain did the same thing in the following 150 years.
Been a recently new follower here the last month or two and want to commend you on how great of a job you guys are doing with this channel. Subbing because of this video; top job. Not many channels accurately report medieval history, let alone do it in a fun, around the fireplace kind of way. Can’t wait for the future and to follow along! X
Hilary Mantel's trilogy on Cromwell and the Wolf Hall miniseries starring Mark Rylance and Damien Lewis are amazing. Really hope they do another miniseries based on The Mirror and the Light with the same cast.
Awe I love that trilogy of books & the show wolf hall. It just seems so authentic. Does wolf hall cover bringing up the bodies too or is that becoming a show too. I can’t find it anywhere just now.
@@lyndsaycrawford Wolf Hall covers Bring Up The Bodies and apparently there will be a follow-up based on The Mirror and the Light but not sure whether it will be the same cast. www.radiotimes.com/tv/drama/wolf-hall-series-2-bbc-hilary-mantel-adaptation-confirmed-the-mirror-and-the-light-final-book-trilogy/
@@maryfenton958 it's a well-researched work of fiction that makes use of artistic license, but it doesn't cross the line. It presents a plausible version of people & events.
I'm relatively new to this channel, but I must say that it is one of my favourites. Each video I have watched is extremely informative and incredibly entertaining. Well done and good luck for the future.
She definitely was lucky. She ended up being given a house, servants, money, etc. and she became like another sister to Henry and was also welcomed at court.
He and Anne don’t seem to have been close allies to begin with. the Boleyns don’t seem to have had anything to do with his rise imo. Also Cromwell explicitly told the king the act for the dissolution of the monasteries would cause a rebellion. And Cromwell didn’t even want all of them closed, he wanted the large religious houses to become colleges. If it weren’t for Henry, we would still have places like Fountains abbey. Like why is it so hard to keep up to date with the historiography on Cromwell? It’s just the same stuff over and over. What about all his work for religion and the common people? Instead he’s unfairly presented as the great evil of the Tudor court, even tho he was really no worse than most of them, and a great deal better than Henry and some of his “nobles”
@Gareth Powell ...And then there was George Washington (of the Colonies) who was approached by a cadre of men who wanted to "crown him king of the new American country". (But, Washington refused, saying, "No, thanks. I don't want to be an apex predator!")
He should have known what would happen as Henry turned on former friends so often before he came to power and had no problem with killing them. With his lower birth he should have realized he was even more likely to end up a scapegoat as Henry never accepted any blame, someone else was always at fault.
@@Tlyna1952 Yes, you're right. According to some contemporary accounts, Henry was known to publicly goad and even beat Cromwell in public. He must have had a highly ambitious and ruthless streak to endure all that and still vie for Henry's attentions. One wonders why he didn't simply retire from court once he had obtained his earldom. I'd say the same about Jane Boleyn, Lady Rochford. Some people seem to have thrived off the intrigue and the high drama!
@@sayitlikeitis5026 I think he must have let his greed and ambition overcome his common sense and self preservation. I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere near that vicious bastard.
Thomas Cromwell is one of my favourite figures from the Tudor period, I find him fascinating so I loved seeing this video! Thank you so much, LOVE your channel😁
Hi Emily, thanks so much for your comment. It means a lot! He certainly is a very divisive figure in English History! Thank you so much for your kind words!
My point wasn’t about language, it was about Thomas Cromwell’s impact on the religion, culture, society and politics of the English-speaking peoples. On language, William’s actions did change English, profoundly. And William did in fact speak English, but badly. He tried to learn but never became fluent.
I would say politically, although the ramifications wouldn't be seen for another 40 years, I would argue that Oliver Cromwell and victorious Parliamentarian factions decision to put King Charles I on trial for essentially declaring war on his own people, and striving to deprive them of their liberties and freedoms after the English Civil War in 1649 was a fundamental conclusion to a centuries-long struggle dating back to the Magna Carta between English/British monarchy's royal prerogatives, duties and responsibilities and how they were limited by Parliament. For Charles I, Parliament was an option, a nagging, pretentious, unnecessary institution that stood in stark contrast to the absolute monarchies of Bourbon France and Spain. Even the famous Dutch republic's stadtholders, like William of Orange, were more like hereditary elected rulers. After Charles I's execution, and even after his son's famous Restoration, and his son James II's extremely poor approximation of his own power/authority which led to the mostly-bloodless Glorious Revolution, English/British monarchs had to understand and comprehend that their roles were limited, increasingly more so by the 19th century, by Parliamentary authority. Imagine Henry VIII being told by his Parliament that he couldn't divorce Katherine of Aragon and marry another younger woman due to his wish to have a son(and continue the Tudor dynasty)? How can we imagine how Henry might've reacted? If they had had the collective moral courage and convictions to deny Henry VIII wishes the same way they defiantly stood up and rebelled against Charles I and his attempts to slowly reintroduce Catholicism back into England.
@@davidroberts7282 - Yes of course, none of these things are cut and dried. I would argue Oliver was a brilliant general who secured the Commons’ supremacy on the battlefield. But unlike Thomas he was no man of the world and unimaginative, even a failure, as a politician and ruler. It was left to his parliamentary heirs to work out the political ramifications of his military victories in the decades after the Glorious Revolution (basically, a responsible executive and treasury sited in and accountable to the Commons). Whereas Thomas in his decade as first minister personally and deftly pushed through the essentials of Reformation and massive constitutional, cultural and economic change under cover of the king’s angst for an heir. Without Thomas, had the realm remained Catholic the Stuart kings would have been more powerful and the 17thC quite different. Oliver could not have been a Puritan but for Thomas.
@@overworlder Henry VIII reasons for breaking with Catholic Church, go a lot deeper than most casual observers or amateur historians, today then just their refusal to grant him an annulment. Thomas Cromwell was well aware of centuries of English anti-clericalism, papal abuses,indulgences, Papacy’s moral contradictions on permitting priests to marry and have children when canon law explicitly forbids it. These criticisms date back to the 14th century Thomas Wycliffe and the Lollards movement. There was a much deeper, deeply-rooted dislike, distinct pointed criticisms that had been festering for nearly two centuries. Oliver Cromwell was a political failure because intuitively, he was a revolutionary who had deep skepticisms, and at most a tolerance at best for limited parliamentary procedures. Revolutionaries don’t usually tend to make good, wise pragmatic politicians.
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It was an age when no matter how innocent you appeared to be, if you got in the way of royal desires, you were toast. Cromwell was a very hard man, but his record of killing innocents was nothing like as bad as that of those who went before him, and those who came after him.
King: "Hey Crommy? Can you do this dirty thing for me?" Crom: "Yes my lord!" Crom: "I have finished the dirty tasks for you oh my King!" King: "Great! Now we chop of your head!"
To be fair I would not have been very excited about that painting of Anne of Cleves, but it was probably not easy to find willing princesses at that stage of his reign.
Thank you for this. It's very interesting and informative, nicely done research and nicely illustrated. 'She was nothing like the picture' :-D So much falsehood and hypocrisy in a little more than thirteen minutes. But what I find most disturbing, however, is that I understand monarchy being widely popular in Great Britain - still in 2021? Amazing!
Cos it gained them favour which usually lead to dukedoms, lands, all sorts of benefits, climbing society basically, lady & lords wanting their children to be & grandchildren to enter the highest of classes, kings needed the aristocracy, like Norfolk, old & powerful families.
@@cindyaraya7317 You are saying that it is a lie to say the hat only two of Henry's wives were executed? That is historical fact . I'm sorry that doesn't fit with your prejudice and ignorance of the fact, but you obvious obsession cannot change facts.
King Henry had given George Boleyn charge of imports into England. This had troubled Cromwell who had a racket set up there by which he was gaining access to great wealth and the treasures being sent to the court. Not wanting his embezzlements to be exposed to the King, Cromwell schemed to be rid of Anne the Queen and her brother George by slandering them to the King. Furthermore, his cruelty against the monasteries and against fellow Christians was totally unnecessary. He was hated by much of the country for the slaughter of nuns, monks, and Catholic priests whose only crime was to stand with Rome against the annulment of Henry's marriage to Catherine of Aragon so that Henry could marry Anne Boleyn whom he had supposed would give him a male heir. Cromwell's confession that he had been seduced referred to his greed. Yet he was keenly aware the ambiguity of that confession would arouse suspicions in King Henry VIII that would torture his thoughts long after Cromwell was gone.
The Tudors series was one of the most historically inaccurate programmes I have seem ( not as bad as Reign though). I don’t know why they take such poetic license with history. Often the truth is more entertaining and interesting than the rubbish they make up.
@@Min61449 definitely, I mean, Jonathan Rhys Myers!! Come on that’s ridiculous lol. I liked Wolf Hall, Damien Lewis was much better whole show was. & I think it portrayed Cromwell a lot more favourably. He absolutely engineered Anne Boleyn’s downfall but what else could he have done really, Henry wanted to move on & Cromwell was to make it happen. Pair of bastards
@@lyndsaycrawford I loved Wolf Hall the series. A quality production but as good as it is it is still based on a novel not a biography. Professor Diarmaid MacCulloch has written a hefty history of Cromwell. I tend to steer away from historical novels. There are many great and readable histories of Tudor events by wonderful historians. I am certainly not taking away from Hilary Mantel.
Cromwell was a false witness, and server a faithless adulterer, I pray that he repented those sins, but the wicked rarely do, for they do not believe their acts were sins.
@@francesca9423 I don’t believe there was anything wrong with her. Henry tried to surprise her dressed as a commoner & tried to kiss her apparently she was repulsed. She didn’t know it was a courtly game or that it was the king, not too mention HE reportedly was repulsive & rather smelly by this time. I think there just wasn’t any chemistry between them & to save his pride, he called her ugly. He also believed France & Spain were going to ally against him & it would’ve helped him to have her brother as an ally & he was supposed to introduce Henry to the Protestant league. France & Spain didn’t ally & he didn’t really need any of the above. I don’t think it was really anything to do with the painting.
Cromwell rejoiced at the death of Catholics. He orchestrated the supression of Religious Life in the Abbeys, Monasteries, Friaries, Charter Houses and Convents. Many Monks, Priests, and Nuns died because of him. I would not shed any tears at his demise
Thomas Cromwell rejoiced in the seizure of the staggering wealth of religious chapters, monasteries, convent, etc. to the enrichment of H8. He was an advocate for bibles and other religious literature published in contemporary English. He did not hate Catholics.
The "Catholic" faith does not automatically mean "Roman Catholic". What it would have meant to Cromwell would be being part of one Church regardless of denominational divisions. The Anglican Church considers itself to be a catholic church - but one that does not have the Pope at its head. Most English protestants of the time would have regarded themselves as "catholic". Cromwell's aim was to take the "Roman" out of "Roman Catholic" - not destroy Catholicism itself.
You are partially right. Henry VIII still considered himself Catholic, he just refused to acknowledge the authority of the pope. The reformers wanted to stay Catholic, but decided to change the Catholic dogmas to suit themselves. They were establishing the "Catholic Church IN England", later to be known as the Church OF England, with their revised doctrines. To distinguish themselves from the true Catholics, those who refused to accept Henry as their spiritual leader, they coined the derogatory term "Roman Catholic", along with "Papist". Anglicans are not Catholic. *Accept the authority of the Pope and all the Catholic doctrines = Catholic. *Deny the authority of the Pope and all the Catholic doctrines = NOT Catholic. It's quite simple.
@@alexandervaltsev6937 Do you mean transubstantiation? Henry VIII and other conservatives believed in it. More reformist English protestants like William Tyndale did not.
The Anglican Church is NOT a part of the Catholic Church and they hold no apostolic succession and their clergy is null and void. Not to mention that Roman only refers to one of the many Rites of the Catholic Church(Byzantine Catholic,Coptic Catholic,Armenian Catholic,Syraic Catholic,Chaldean Catholic,Syro-Malabar Catholic,Moronite Catholic,etc...) ALL of them in full-union with the Bishop of Rome which makes them CATHOLIC.Cromwell was a heretic who took part in removing the 7 holy Sacraments and led a form of Iconoclasm and blasphemy from within the C of E.He turned his back of Christ's Church and is burning in hell for it.
Well isn't Karma a bitch?? Thomas Cromwell conspired to have Anne Boleyn executed by inventing false accusations against her to help end Hank's marriage. Annulling the marriage wasn't enough, he had Boleyn executed which was the only way to get even with her as they not only clashed frequently but Cromwell blamed Anne Boleyn for the end of Woolsey's career.
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I'm watching this video after the one you made about how Cromwell brutally murdered an 80 year old abott Whitehall - I'm glad I can follow along the fates of these different people.
I love all this I got taught all this in the late 50s * 60s It's good to get a bit refreshed its all coming back to my memories the only thing I don't like is the background music.👍
If people really want more understanding, read Hilary Mantel’s historical fiction trilogy starting w Wolf Hall. There is also a relatively new bio by Diarmaid Maculloch. Remember history cannot be told only from one angle.
I completely agree! I think he’s portrayed much more favourably, much less villainous, a far more complex human being. Imo Cromwell did what he was told to do for his own survival & Norfolk & his like are just as much to blame & of course Henry himself
@@donquixote3927 you obviously don’t understand what well-researched historical fiction is. All history is interpretation. As a matter of fact, Maculloch praised Mantel’s meticulous and accurate assessments. But you probably knew, that being an expert researcher and writer yourself, as well as an expert on Cromwell.
@@lyndsaycrawford Agree. I believe Henry is the villain if there needs to be one. He was actually a weak man in many ways. The problem is history and historical interpretation are difficult and complicated, especially when many documents surrounding someone like Cromwell were destroyed to protect his family and friends. Even in today’s world people love to rush to judgment and see everything in black and white terms, which is childish and way too simple.
She did not cat fish him. She was just as her portrait said. The problem was not her looks but Henry's pride because *she* without knowing who he was pretty much called him an ugly old creep, so he called her an ugly, smelly, Flanders mare.
Cromwell wasn't using humour or irony when he stated that he was "dying in the catholic faith " , Cromwell was a catholic as was the king . The Church of England was catholic , just not Roman catholic
Nope. She was actually very pretty. Henry called her ugly because she rebuked him when he tried to meet her before marriage, disguised as a servant. His ego was hurt and he placed the blame of their doomed marriage on her. Other people actually thought she was quite pretty.
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Very ironic that years later, the English monarchical rule would be disrupted by Thomas Cromwell's great, great grand-nephew, Oliver Cromwell.
Who wasn't much better, but more self righteous.
Should be pointed out, after the restoration of the Crown, they dug up Oliver's body and cut his head off the corpse and put it, like his ancestor, on a spike on the Westminster Hall. There it stayed for about 50 years.
Ironic?
@@bryanc2262 Jesus the English are really special!!
@@Camaink1 naw ther no 🏴😉
It’s one thing to cut the heads off of your enemies but to cut the heads of your loyal servants just because you’re mad at them is insane even in the 16th century.
Exactly , maniac , narcissist, evil!
Henry was terrible for it. Killed 7-8.000
Thomas was very loyal.
Henry always blamed everyone else. Especially if he relied on you. And didn't get his way.
Karma?
Me: regrets losing touch with friends.
Henry VIII: regrets having his friend beheaded.
Henry regretted a lot of things like getting rid of Cardinal Wolsey and putting to death to Saint Thomas Fisher.
ALl mY fRiEnDs ArE DeAd.
Yeah you uh, you executed them.
apparently Cromwell is the only person Henry openly regretted executing.
@@walboyfredo6025 You mean Sir Thomas More. John Fisher was a bishop, though Henry may have regretted killing him too.
@@lyndsaycrawford Openly is the key here, though it may have been in a fit of pique at Catherine Howard and the Duke of Norfolk.
Henry was a serial killer
And a heretic.
And a Tudor
@Madda Lena I don’t the elizabeth the 1st was
So was Cromwell!!!!
@@bluelady4183 so was thomas moore
Tudor times were brutal
Anywhere, anytime through history where man steps, he will step on others. Its not a Tudor thing.
Brutality has been rife in all ages today yesterday and tomorrow
Sort of weird considering how “gentlemanly” the English are today. But only a brutal and repressive people would have been able to carve out such a vast empire during the colonial era for instance. It appears that Hitler humbled and chastened the English during WWII and they changed their behavior soon after the war.
@@westyraviz West you appear to be selective in your understanding, the English from a very small land innovated, invented, explored, developed, engineered, built beyond any other countries wildest dreams or imagination down to the concept of fresh running water, solid insulated long lasting houses and buildings, sewers, toilets, railways, electricity, telephones, roads, railways, bridges, exploring far and wide for oil then finding it and handing it over to the backward natives who had no idea what it was or what it was for, medicines, hospitals, hospital instruments, surgery, education, in fact pretty much everything that you and the rest of the world take for granted today. England travelled the world building railways, running water, roads, schools, systems for the locals. England and the rest of the U.K. were certainly not cowed by Hitler and given that England was on the winning side against the might of Germany in two wars your perception is cock eyed. The fact that England developed from medieval times is a credit which lead to the principles of a fair justice system and liberal concepts on punishment which have been taken up by the rest of the now civilised world. England learned from its experiences and built a civilised world, other countries are a long way beyond catching up to medieval standards and would still be running around without shoes and shipping in the woods if it wasn’t for the English.
@@BobK5 You are certainly correct in regards to the UK’s influence around the world, but the truth is, nobody in the UK expected to win or even hold off the German army in WW2. The British were truly humbled and it has reverberated to this day
King Henry being duped by a painting had me rolling on the ground . If that’s not karma and comedy at the same time, I don’t know what is 😂
Henry was catfished 😂😂😂 16th century style the Tudor age answer to a selfie 🤳 painter filtering it right up lol
And we worry about deep fake videos
Anyone who has met women thru a dating site knows how he felt😂
She did actually look like Holbein’s painting. But Henry approached her dressed as a poet/musician with the idea that she would fall in love with him at first sight. The first thing he did was try to kiss her. She didn’t know it was him ofc (she’d never met him & he was ugly and smelly and dressed weird) so she rebuked him. He got upset that she didn’t fall in love with him immediately and started to call her ugly and fat afterwards.
Anna was liked and seen to be pretty by everyone. She looked like her portrait. There was nothing wrong with her😭 her supposed bad looks seem more like an excuse to end the marriage than a legitimate reason
Ironic that Cromwell suffered the same fate as Ann Boleyn. Except her beheading was quick and clean. I wonder if any thoughts about what he had done to set her up ever cross his mind while he was imprisoned in the tower?
oh most definitely
I sure hope so I hope he seen her face everyday
Like anne was some saint, she was a concubine, Who displaced a real queen.
@@robertlaube574 lol
@@robertlaube574 - Facts though 😕💯
People can get mad or laugh if they want to, but Anne had innocent people put to death as well, and for what?! Henry threw her away just like he had already done w/so many before her. She was stupid. I don't accuse her of incest or any of the nonsense they tried to sling at her of course... but still, she wasn't innocent either. She was a pretty manipulative person, and encouraged Henry to treat Queen Catherine like dirt.
At best, men like Henry VIII and Cromwell are "deeply religious" only in order to avoid being held accountable in the next life. That kind of "christianity" is merely another form of devil-worship. Christianity isn't supposed to be mainly about your own self-preservation.
I thought that's all it is.
Very underated comment
Christianity is all about self-preservation, but based on true divine worship and brotherly love, not duplicity and temporal power. Men like Henry VIII and Thomas Cromwell were "deeply religious" but possibly for the sake of their own wealth and power in this life and not to avoid accountability in the next life. They were quite willing that lies be fabricated about Katherine of Aragon and then Anne Boleyn once those Queens fell out of Henry VIII's favor. For centuries many governments have pretended to serve God only to support false claims to their own legitimacy.
Indeed if Henry VIII or Thomas Cromwell were at all reasonably well versed in the Bible they could not have been believers. After all, the bible is quite clear about the fate of religious hypocrites and those who practice duplicity for whatever motives. It is of course possible that these men actually did believe in a form of "Christianity" in which form over substance would be sufficient to save their souls. But if they believed that they were very badly deceived, indeed.
@@Steveross2851 Cromwell was genuinely religious though? Looking at his actions and you can clearly see he wasn’t operating for gain or currency with the king.
it wasn’t for monetary benefit, he repeatedly put a lot of his own money into the reformation cause. And he did much at the risk of his own life - his connections with the Swiss reformers suggest his beliefs wouldve been far too “heretical” for Henry’s tastes. Cromwell pushed for an English bible and spent ages persuading the king to agree, and again, paid for it himself.
And in the end, his beliefs did kill him - along with the classism of the nobles. He was executed not just as a traitor but as a heretic.
(And for what it’s worth he was very well versed in the bible, he had Erasmus’s testament memorised cover to cover)
The idea that Cromwell was only religious for self-preservation is pretty well challenged at this point.
What you’re talking about is from historiography that’s 120 years out of date.
Just look at his actions, it’s clearly not someone who was using religion as merely a way to benefit himself. I mean he died for his beliefs in the end. If it was simply about self-preservation, why not take the easier option and just agree with Henry on every point? It doesn’t make any sense
I've been binge watching your videos like crazy the last few days. I absolutely love them and have learned so much! Thanks for the awesome and informative content! Keep up the good work!
What goes around comes around 🙄
Karma is real! When King Henry the V - shouted- I like her not -- I like her not!
That was the beginning of the end, for Thomas Cromwell.👀
Always
@@denisemcdougal6445 This is a boomerang...
Crummy murdered 25% of Eire
A real mf'er
Given enough time, Henry would have depopulated Merrie England.
At the rate he was killing ppl he’d need to
And repopulate it with his own children (legal and otherwise).
Great video.
Thanks for your kind words!
I don't think Henry fully thought this out. Thomas Cromwell was brilliant. But because he was a commoner, Nobles resented him and maneuvered to get him removed.
What exactly did he do that was so brilliant? In my opinion, a brilliant guy would have found a way to keep his head attached to the rest of his body.
Why wasn't Henry remember it has Henry the butcher which is exactly what he was
Seems like there's so much stuff about Henry VIII that, just kind of gets ignored. It seems to me he is different from Stalin only in scale.
And about 350 years 🤷🏻♂️
So true. And it's so messed up how some uneducated people still want to make excuses for him and exalt him. The jousting accident didn't make him evil, he was evil long before that. His treatment of Catherine, Mary, Thomas More, Cardinal Fisher and the 2O+ Carthusian monks was before the accident. He was just an asshole and people need to accept that. Even today there are a few clowns who justify his actions and blame all his wives except for Anne of Cleves and Catherine Parr for things that were his fault. People call Queen Mary bloody, but Mary was a thousand times better than this fucker, and she killed *much* less people a year than he did. At least Mary was badly abused, neglected and sometimes starved by her father and had a very tragic life. Nobody ever abused Henry.
Henry VIII was a monstrous, narcissistic psychopath and murderer.
I read a book about Henry VIII that made exactly this point. Both Henry and Stalin always kept two sides at each other's throats. When one side would start to get too strong, he'd attack them, call them traitors, and execute or exile them, throwing his support to the other side. Until that side started to get too strong, and then he'd switch back. Becoming too popular or powerful under Henry or Stalin was a good way to get killed.
Congrats! Your Channel has officially become my favorite on TH-cam, hands down. Good job mate, keep it up !
Thank you you're too kind :)
Why have you not monetised this channel? One of my favourite, most informative history channels.
Nice to see you here!
@@marienbad2 Wo Hello! Yeah I do venture outside the conspiracy side of youtube now and then haha 👊
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Ive seen Cromwell played by number of actors, like in Anne of thousand days, the other Boleyn girl, a Man for all Seasons, always portrayed as a ruthless, nasty, scheming bastard. But Mark Rylance, in Wolfs Hall series, gave him much more human face, more calm, reasoned, and i never knew Cromwell lost his young kids and wife to the plague, maybe thats what pushed him over the edge,made him ruthless. ?
I loved wolf Hall....)
I don't think it was the loss of his wife and children that made him ruthless, deeply though he mourned them, it was the knowledge that he must at all cost please the king who was a demonic ego maniac suffering from syphilis.
The guy lost his faith, but his intentions were great, we are in 2021 and look what happens when we give power to one group.
Definitely karma may he still be burning in hell. He set up queen anne
He setup his best friends, what a creep.
Karma is a belief in the Hindu religion & is NOT a Christian concept at all. Anyone who's in hell is there for rejecting God's laws & mercy. As a Protestant, the more I'm learning about history & what Cstholicism actually teaches, I've come to realize thecoriginal reformers like Henry VIII, Martin Luther, John Calvin, etc destroyed what was great about Western society & we are only recently coming to truly see that. Here's to the reunification of all Christians into one church.
They both might be boiling in the same cattle ...:)
You really want people to burn in hell for hundreds of years. That sounds a bit psychopathic
@@southbug27 When people say karma they essentially mean 'someone repeating the results of their previous actions', which the Bible does say: 'you reap what you sow.' This is the problem with religious people is being so focused on 'my religion vs others' when fundamentally your viewpoint should be less judgemental..which is, you know, what Christ taught, to not be judgemental?
Anne of Cleves was often referred to as "the mare of Flanders". It must've been true because Henry's opinion of her was "neigh".
Great one! Haha!
Well done! 👏🤣
Not to mention a number of "whoa's" from the onlooking crowd.
Is didnt help she could not speak English, and the first time they met was a disaster
@@EstherHulst-Artist
He said nay to a roll in the hay.
This video is well informed and give me more insight about what Thomas Cromwell was. He was cunning and smart, though he had his shortcomings.
By a head, it looks like!
Shortcomings, A butcher and murderer of the Irish. ✊ ☘️
@@deeppurple883 fully agreed. He was reason of so many murder of innocent souls
@@deeppurple883 that’s Oliver Cromwell, not Thomas
I wish they’d make more Tudor documentary’s, films and online episodes! Especially the stories of Thomas Cromwell, More, Wolsey, Sir Franner Bryan...anyone who’s a Tudor fan know the gang, and their are so many of them from that time with fascinating life stories.
the Dissolution was so sad. So much wonderful archiceture and art was destroyed
It has been estimated that by HIIV's time, the church and the monasteries owned 20% of the wealth in England, and the government was broke. Dissolution of the e
Monasteries corrected the issue of the church's undue influence over the economy. Every other country in Europe except for Spain did the same thing in the following 150 years.
Been a recently new follower here the last month or two and want to commend you on how great of a job you guys are doing with this channel.
Subbing because of this video; top job. Not many channels accurately report medieval history, let alone do it in a fun, around the fireplace kind of way. Can’t wait for the future and to follow along! X
Thanks! You're too kind! Thank you for your lovely words, it means a lot. Take care!
After causing the fall of St Thomas More, and the fall of the Roman Catholic Church in England, and the brutal treatment of many innocent people
I find European history completely fascinating
Same! Much more to come! Thanks for commenting!
@Charles Martel And the demise of Johan de Witt. Eaten 1672.
So do I as an american it's really fascinating
@Tony Ryan but they are
Fuck yeah !
Hilary Mantel's trilogy on Cromwell and the Wolf Hall miniseries starring Mark Rylance and Damien Lewis are amazing. Really hope they do another miniseries based on The Mirror and the Light with the same cast.
Awe I love that trilogy of books & the show wolf hall. It just seems so authentic. Does wolf hall cover bringing up the bodies too or is that becoming a show too. I can’t find it anywhere just now.
@@lyndsaycrawford Wolf Hall covers Bring Up The Bodies and apparently there will be a follow-up based on The Mirror and the Light but not sure whether it will be the same cast.
www.radiotimes.com/tv/drama/wolf-hall-series-2-bbc-hilary-mantel-adaptation-confirmed-the-mirror-and-the-light-final-book-trilogy/
WOLF HALL WAS NOT POLITICALLY ACCURATE!
@@maryfenton958 we know
@@maryfenton958 it's a well-researched work of fiction that makes use of artistic license, but it doesn't cross the line. It presents a plausible version of people & events.
Thank-you for another of your wonderful lessons.
No problem Elizabeth, thank you for your brilliant comment again :) It does mean a lot!
The painter was the equivalent of a modern day photoshopper 😂
I'm relatively new to this channel, but I must say that it is one of my favourites. Each video I have watched is extremely informative and incredibly entertaining.
Well done and good luck for the future.
Just found this today. Been binge watching. Very good
Thank you Simon! Thanks for watching. Plenty more content to come!
Excellent nice 1
While a humiliation I think Ann Van Cleef got away lucky compared to Henry's other wives.
Is that Anne of Cleves?
@@Thepourdeuxchanson Yes, I may have misspelled it.
She definitely was lucky. She ended up being given a house, servants, money, etc. and she became like another sister to Henry and was also welcomed at court.
@@SH-ln1uh
She became like another sister to Henry?
Like Mormons with their "sister wives"?
(Nevermind! You probably know nothing about that group.)
@@ahashdahnagila6884Their marriage wasn't consummated so she could safely be referred to as a sister.
Loving these videos keep up the good work
He and Anne don’t seem to have been close allies to begin with. the Boleyns don’t seem to have had anything to do with his rise imo.
Also Cromwell explicitly told the king the act for the dissolution of the monasteries would cause a rebellion. And Cromwell didn’t even want all of them closed, he wanted the large religious houses to become colleges. If it weren’t for Henry, we would still have places like Fountains abbey.
Like why is it so hard to keep up to date with the historiography on Cromwell? It’s just the same stuff over and over. What about all his work for religion and the common people? Instead he’s unfairly presented as the great evil of the Tudor court, even tho he was really no worse than most of them, and a great deal better than Henry and some of his “nobles”
Unfortunately he is my ancestor he is my 16th great grandfather on my mother’s side smh 🤦🏼♀️
What is your nationality?
Great video. Perhaps I’m wrong but I am skeptical of everyone in any society who is at the top of the food chain. Usually nasty pieces of work.
How right you are
Usually only psychopaths get to climb to the very top.
@Gareth Powell
...And then there was George Washington (of the Colonies) who was approached by a cadre of men who wanted to "crown him king of the new American country".
(But, Washington refused, saying, "No, thanks. I don't want to be an apex predator!")
@@vaniberi8189
Adolf climbed quickly...
(The chaff quickly rises to the top...)
Putin is "chaff mixed with dried cow poop".
A ruthless and ambitious politician however one cannot help but think he was Henry's messenger and the scapegoat for much of his actions.
He should have known what would happen as Henry turned on former friends so often before he came to power and had no problem with killing them. With his lower birth he should have realized he was even more likely to end up a scapegoat as Henry never accepted any blame, someone else was always at fault.
@@Tlyna1952 Yes, you're right. According to some contemporary accounts, Henry was known to publicly goad and even beat Cromwell in public.
He must have had a highly ambitious and ruthless streak to endure all that and still vie for Henry's attentions.
One wonders why he didn't simply retire from court once he had obtained his earldom.
I'd say the same about Jane Boleyn, Lady Rochford. Some people seem to have thrived off the intrigue and the high drama!
@@sayitlikeitis5026 I think he must have let his greed and ambition overcome his common sense and self preservation. I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere near that vicious bastard.
@@sayitlikeitis5026 once you were in Henry’s service, it wasn’t that easy to just up and leave. In the court, ‘retiring’ wasn’t really a thing
They got his executioner drunk the previous night so it was a hangover hack..!
Good one! Thanks for the comment! Wonder if he woke up with a 'sore head?'
@@TheUntoldPast - one was legless and the other headless!
Ewww! 😳
That isn’t true. Sources disagree on if the execution was done in one strike or 3, but that’s about it
Thomas Cromwell is one of my favourite figures from the Tudor period, I find him fascinating so I loved seeing this video! Thank you so much, LOVE your channel😁
Hi Emily, thanks so much for your comment. It means a lot! He certainly is a very divisive figure in English History! Thank you so much for your kind words!
he is one of mine aswell. I cant believe there are so many negative comments about him
@@julieblackstock8650 with all due respect he was responsible for some brutal things which hardly makes him a nice person.
@@danniis9444 brutal for our time.. You need to put things in context of the age not compare to now. rookie mistake
He changed the English-speaking world more than any other person after William of Normandy.
William didn’t speak English.
My point wasn’t about language, it was about Thomas Cromwell’s impact on the religion, culture, society and politics of the English-speaking peoples.
On language, William’s actions did change English, profoundly. And William did in fact speak English, but badly. He tried to learn but never became fluent.
I would say politically, although the ramifications wouldn't be seen for another 40 years, I would argue that Oliver Cromwell and victorious Parliamentarian factions decision to put King Charles I on trial for essentially declaring war on his own people, and striving to deprive them of their liberties and freedoms after the English Civil War in 1649 was a fundamental conclusion to a centuries-long struggle dating back to the Magna Carta between English/British monarchy's royal prerogatives, duties and responsibilities and how they were limited by Parliament. For Charles I, Parliament was an option, a nagging, pretentious, unnecessary institution that stood in stark contrast to the absolute monarchies of Bourbon France and Spain. Even the famous Dutch republic's stadtholders, like William of Orange, were more like hereditary elected rulers. After Charles I's execution, and even after his son's famous Restoration, and his son James II's extremely poor approximation of his own power/authority which led to the mostly-bloodless Glorious Revolution, English/British monarchs had to understand and comprehend that their roles were limited, increasingly more so by the 19th century, by Parliamentary authority. Imagine Henry VIII being told by his Parliament that he couldn't divorce Katherine of Aragon and marry another younger woman due to his wish to have a son(and continue the Tudor dynasty)? How can we imagine how Henry might've reacted? If they had had the collective moral courage and convictions to deny Henry VIII wishes the same way they defiantly stood up and rebelled against Charles I and his attempts to slowly reintroduce Catholicism back into England.
@@davidroberts7282 - Yes of course, none of these things are cut and dried. I would argue Oliver was a brilliant general who secured the Commons’ supremacy on the battlefield. But unlike Thomas he was no man of the world and unimaginative, even a failure, as a politician and ruler. It was left to his parliamentary heirs to work out the political ramifications of his military victories in the decades after the Glorious Revolution (basically, a responsible executive and treasury sited in and accountable to the Commons).
Whereas Thomas in his decade as first minister personally and deftly pushed through the essentials of Reformation and massive constitutional, cultural and economic change under cover of the king’s angst for an heir.
Without Thomas, had the realm remained Catholic the Stuart kings would have been more powerful and the 17thC quite different. Oliver could not have been a Puritan but for Thomas.
@@overworlder Henry VIII reasons for breaking with Catholic Church, go a lot deeper than most casual observers or amateur historians, today then just their refusal to grant him an annulment. Thomas Cromwell was well aware of centuries of English anti-clericalism, papal abuses,indulgences, Papacy’s moral contradictions on permitting priests to marry and have children when canon law explicitly forbids it. These criticisms date back to the 14th century Thomas Wycliffe and the Lollards movement. There was a much deeper, deeply-rooted dislike, distinct pointed criticisms that had been festering for nearly two centuries.
Oliver Cromwell was a political failure because intuitively, he was a revolutionary who had deep skepticisms, and at most a tolerance at best for limited parliamentary procedures. Revolutionaries don’t usually tend to make good, wise pragmatic politicians.
Thank you very informative . At the end He paid for all his doings , perhaps Karma !!
It appears that Thomas ran with the Fox and hunted with the Hounds.
Good metaphor, I haven't heard that phrase before
@Leeds United...
Indeed!
T. Cromwell had learned how to have his cake and eat it, too!
(...at least until he ran out of 'cake', that is!)
@@ahashdahnagila6884 as an Irish catholic, I don’t have any admiration for Cromwell.
I've never really binge watched on TH-cam, but I've been watching your videos non stop the past few nights. Awesome channel, very informative. I will subscribe
I don't think Henry understood the difference between firing somebody, and killing someone..
You should do a video on Charles Brandon.
The Devil’s advocate... that was Cromwell... killer of innocent, destroyer of churches..
It was an age when no matter how innocent you appeared to be, if you got in the way of royal desires, you were toast. Cromwell was a very hard man, but his record of killing innocents was nothing like as bad as that of those who went before him, and those who came after him.
I would think that a person wouldn't generally describe something as "visceral" unless they knew what "visceral" meant. Bold strategy, Cotton.
During lockdown I’ve really got into these videos there just so good
I love these videos. Concise, informative, and the perfect length for listening when I am in the shower etc. Thank you 😊 🙏
Very well done. Glad to have stumbled upon your content. Binging hard.
Great history lesson 🙂 thank you
I love this channel, very informative. subscribed.
Very informative, thanks 👍
King: "Hey Crommy? Can you do this dirty thing for me?"
Crom: "Yes my lord!"
Crom: "I have finished the dirty tasks for you oh my King!"
King: "Great! Now we chop of your head!"
Your videos are so amazingly good. No fuzz no rush, I'm up for binge nr.2
I'm literally learning now at 40 what I skipped at school.
Great video subbed and liked good job
This channel is excellent, very well researched and I’ve learned an immense amount about British history through these videos on this channel!!!!
I can't stand the constant intrusive ads!
Henry VIII, Englands Joseph Stalin
These should all be part of an accredited history course.
I bet they are. Hope the profs give credit.
All they teach now is communism..rioting and looting..
Absolutely!
Morrissey and I don't care for that evil Cromwell
It is in England. I remember learning this during history at secondary school.
To be fair I would not have been very excited about that painting of Anne of Cleves, but it was probably not easy to find willing princesses at that stage of his reign.
Well one did send him a message when he requested her hand in marriage that she would be willing to if she had two heads.
Anne boleyn had the last laugh she gave birth to England's greatest ever monarch queen Elizabeth.
Thank you for this. It's very interesting and informative, nicely done research and nicely illustrated.
'She was nothing like the picture' :-D
So much falsehood and hypocrisy in a little more than thirteen minutes. But what I find most disturbing, however, is that I understand monarchy being widely popular in Great Britain - still in 2021? Amazing!
Very informative and a great learning experience. Thank you, sir.
Awesome! Thank you for this
No problem! Thanks for your comment! :)
Henry VIII murdered his wives and his closest people
So the question is why would anyone ever go near him?
Cos it gained them favour which usually lead to dukedoms, lands, all sorts of benefits, climbing society basically, lady & lords wanting their children to be & grandchildren to enter the highest of classes, kings needed the aristocracy, like Norfolk, old & powerful families.
Don't exaggerate. Only two were executed and one, at least, was guilty as charged.
@@alecblunden8615 Don't lie. Henry VIII was a disgusting monster who deserves a worse fate than what he got.
@@cindyaraya7317 You are saying that it is a lie to say the hat only two of Henry's wives were executed? That is historical fact . I'm sorry that doesn't fit with your prejudice and ignorance of the fact, but you obvious obsession cannot change facts.
@@alecblunden8615 Henry also treated his wives like garbage
King Henry had given George Boleyn charge of imports into England. This had troubled Cromwell who had a racket set up there by which he was gaining access to great wealth and the treasures being sent to the court. Not wanting his embezzlements to be exposed to the King, Cromwell schemed to be rid of Anne the Queen and her brother George by slandering them to the King.
Furthermore, his cruelty against the monasteries and against fellow Christians was totally unnecessary. He was hated by much of the country for the slaughter of nuns, monks, and Catholic priests whose only crime was to stand with Rome against the annulment of Henry's marriage to Catherine of Aragon so that Henry could marry Anne Boleyn whom he had supposed would give him a male heir.
Cromwell's confession that he had been seduced referred to his greed. Yet he was keenly aware the ambiguity of that confession would arouse suspicions in King Henry VIII that would torture his thoughts long after Cromwell was gone.
Maybe Anne Boleyn's friends made sure they got revenge on this man who betrayed her.
I LOVE Tudor’s history ❤️❤️❤️
Same! Much more to come!
Tudors are the best
Me to!
Big fan of Anne and Elizabeth to🙌🏻
@@beccaboo3040 best is debatable, brutal and ruthless more like it. But nevertheless interesting
@@twinsonic that's why there best.
I thought James Frain did a great job playing the role of Cromwell in The Tudors
The guy that executed Cromwell was Mr Gurrea!! He was drunk and botched the thing, Cromwell made a lot of enemies! This according to the Tudor series!
The Tudors series was one of the most historically inaccurate programmes I have seem ( not as bad as Reign though). I don’t know why they take such poetic license with history. Often the truth is more entertaining and interesting than the rubbish they make up.
@@Min61449 definitely, I mean, Jonathan Rhys Myers!! Come on that’s ridiculous lol. I liked Wolf Hall, Damien Lewis was much better whole show was. & I think it portrayed Cromwell a lot more favourably. He absolutely engineered Anne Boleyn’s downfall but what else could he have done really, Henry wanted to move on & Cromwell was to make it happen. Pair of bastards
@@Min61449 and I agree about the Reign, that’s actually laughable.😂😂😂
@@Min61449 that is a fair point, though it’s not really inaccurate on the subject of Cromwell! Everything said on this vid happened on the series!
@@lyndsaycrawford I loved Wolf Hall the series.
A quality production but as good as it is it is still based on a novel not a biography. Professor Diarmaid MacCulloch has written a hefty history of Cromwell. I tend to steer away from historical novels. There are many great and readable histories of Tudor events by wonderful historians. I am certainly not taking away from Hilary Mantel.
I love your channel.
Thank you :)
Can u imagine driving to work or out and about every day, seeing grotesque heads on spikes??
Ought to still be done.
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what about the lockdown??
I can think of a few I would like to see on display.
Okay enough window shopping your channel. It’s time I subscribed
Cromwell was a false witness, and server a faithless adulterer, I pray that he repented those sins, but the wicked rarely do, for they do not believe their acts were sins.
He got what he deserved. A lot of rolling heads thanx to him
@Osel Somar Maybe.Have you been to see?
@Osel Somar Only God knows for sure. I wouldn't presume to speak for him.
Henry was Catfished 😂😂😂 the 1500’s answer to a selfie. Filtered by Cromwell #findhenryawife
Great way of looking at it!
@@TheUntoldPast depends what frame of mind you’re in 😂😂😂
Underrated comment!
Thing was tho Anna looked just like her portrait. Everyone agreed she was lovely, and pretty too. There was absolutely nothing wrong with her
@@francesca9423 I don’t believe there was anything wrong with her. Henry tried to surprise her dressed as a commoner & tried to kiss her apparently she was repulsed. She didn’t know it was a courtly game or that it was the king, not too mention HE reportedly was repulsive & rather smelly by this time. I think there just wasn’t any chemistry between them & to save his pride, he called her ugly.
He also believed France & Spain were going to ally against him & it would’ve helped him to have her brother as an ally & he was supposed to introduce Henry to the Protestant league. France & Spain didn’t ally & he didn’t really need any of the above. I don’t think it was really anything to do with the painting.
The right punishment for the wrong type of character, he reaped what he sowed.
Cromwell rejoiced at the death of Catholics. He orchestrated the supression of Religious Life in the Abbeys, Monasteries, Friaries, Charter Houses and Convents. Many Monks, Priests, and Nuns died because of him. I would not shed any tears at his demise
Thomas Cromwell rejoiced in the seizure of the staggering wealth of religious chapters, monasteries, convent, etc. to the enrichment of H8. He was an advocate for bibles and other religious literature published in contemporary English. He did not hate Catholics.
@@dolinaj1 it seems to me that he had a vitriolic hatred for Catholics. He wanted to destroy the Catholic Church.
The "Catholic" faith does not automatically mean "Roman Catholic". What it would have meant to Cromwell would be being part of one Church regardless of denominational divisions. The Anglican Church considers itself to be a catholic church - but one that does not have the Pope at its head. Most English protestants of the time would have regarded themselves as "catholic". Cromwell's aim was to take the "Roman" out of "Roman Catholic" - not destroy Catholicism itself.
You are partially right.
Henry VIII still considered himself Catholic, he just refused to acknowledge the authority of the pope.
The reformers wanted to stay Catholic, but decided to change the Catholic dogmas to suit themselves. They were establishing the "Catholic Church IN England", later to be known as the Church OF England, with their revised doctrines.
To distinguish themselves from the true Catholics, those who refused to accept Henry as their spiritual leader, they coined the derogatory term "Roman Catholic", along with "Papist".
Anglicans are not Catholic.
*Accept the authority of the Pope and all the Catholic doctrines = Catholic.
*Deny the authority of the Pope and all the Catholic doctrines = NOT Catholic.
It's quite simple.
@@alhilford2345 so you just said exactly what Peter said? How is he “partially right”? Good lord
Did English protestants believe in the catholic doctrine of Eucharist back then?
@@alexandervaltsev6937 Do you mean transubstantiation? Henry VIII and other conservatives believed in it. More reformist English protestants like William Tyndale did not.
The Anglican Church is NOT a part of the Catholic Church and they hold no apostolic succession and their clergy is null and void.
Not to mention that Roman only refers to one of the many Rites of the Catholic Church(Byzantine Catholic,Coptic Catholic,Armenian Catholic,Syraic Catholic,Chaldean Catholic,Syro-Malabar Catholic,Moronite Catholic,etc...) ALL of them in full-union with the Bishop of Rome which makes them CATHOLIC.Cromwell was a heretic who took part in removing the 7 holy Sacraments and led a form of Iconoclasm and blasphemy from within the C of E.He turned his back of Christ's Church and is burning in hell for it.
Your turn big guy....remember all you sent to their death....greed and power do not end well usually.
@Bobbie LaVanway
I often say that about a man named Joseph Biden.
@@ahashdahnagila6884 Amen
Incredibly incredibly incredibly incredible
Well isn't Karma a bitch?? Thomas Cromwell conspired to have Anne Boleyn executed by inventing false accusations against her to help end Hank's marriage. Annulling the marriage wasn't enough, he had Boleyn executed which was the only way to get even with her as they not only clashed frequently but Cromwell blamed Anne Boleyn for the end of Woolsey's career.
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Those who lived by the sword, die by the sword. Matthew 26:52
Why did the monasteries has such wealth not being shared with the people?
Greed.
Over 1000 years people would give gifts to the monasteries.
They fed the poor and gave sanctuary
The tithe and a tax free status .
They were already rich pre conquest, it soon accumulates.
@@gar6446 For the poor and needy...
I'm watching this video after the one you made about how Cromwell brutally murdered an 80 year old abott Whitehall - I'm glad I can follow along the fates of these different people.
We’re gonna start getting Cromwell x Wolsey shippers now
Probably. I am not sure.
I love all this I got taught all this in the late 50s * 60s It's good to get a bit refreshed its all coming back to my memories the only thing I don't like is the background music.👍
If people really want more understanding, read Hilary Mantel’s historical fiction trilogy starting w Wolf Hall. There is also a relatively new bio by Diarmaid Maculloch. Remember history cannot be told only from one angle.
I completely agree! I think he’s portrayed much more favourably, much less villainous, a far more complex human being. Imo Cromwell did what he was told to do for his own survival & Norfolk & his like are just as much to blame & of course Henry himself
Sure, if you don’t like the history try fiction instead.
@@donquixote3927 you obviously don’t understand what well-researched historical fiction is. All history is interpretation. As a matter of fact, Maculloch praised Mantel’s meticulous and accurate assessments. But you probably knew, that being an expert researcher and writer yourself, as well as an expert on Cromwell.
@@lyndsaycrawford Agree. I believe Henry is the villain if there needs to be one. He was actually a weak man in many ways. The problem is history and historical interpretation are difficult and complicated, especially when many documents surrounding someone like Cromwell were destroyed to protect his family and friends. Even in today’s world people love to rush to judgment and see everything in black and white terms, which is childish and way too simple.
@@prince6a : So it’s difficult and complicated but Mantel managed it meticulously, accurately and in a favourable light. I see.
Could u do a video about the german Pz VII? Never seen or heard anything from it
The Tiger? There's tons of videos about the Tiger
@@Fegelantic no the pz 7, its so fk odd
@@glenn3325 It never existed. Purely a "paper Panzer". Project never left the drawing board as it was passed in favor of the Pz VIII Maus
He absolutely didn't deserve to be treated this way by the king. Shame...
The marriage was never annulled.,..
Whose marriage?
@@student05-bdes52 Between Henry and his 1st wife, Catherine.
@@kirkstruhart7416 ohh, ok. I agree with you
in short, Cromwell recommended Ann of Cleves, who CATFISHED Henry VIII.
What a stupid thing to do.
She did not cat fish him. She was just as her portrait said. The problem was not her looks but Henry's pride because *she* without knowing who he was pretty much called him an ugly old creep, so he called her an ugly, smelly, Flanders mare.
That's it, I'm watching the Tudors
*If you want a good docudrama about Cromwell watch 'Wolf Hall'.*
This isn't Untold Past.
The story is well known.
Cromwell wasn't using humour or irony when he stated that he was "dying in the catholic faith " , Cromwell was a catholic as was the king . The Church of England was catholic , just not Roman catholic
Ubi Petrus ibi Ecclesia = Where Peter is there is the Church.
The guy that painted Anne of Cleaves must have had his Grog glasses on! Yikes!
Nope. She was actually very pretty. Henry called her ugly because she rebuked him when he tried to meet her before marriage, disguised as a servant. His ego was hurt and he placed the blame of their doomed marriage on her. Other people actually thought she was quite pretty.