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  • Every starting strength coach will go through these 5 stages. It's hard to admit but I wouldn't change a thing about it.
    Follow me on IG @untamedstrength

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  • @fabiotieri3155
    @fabiotieri3155 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1200

    "Have you tried caring less" is actually a dope slogan to be put on a shirt.

    • @-HughJass-
      @-HughJass- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I would buy it. Closest thing I have is a Jason Genova "WHOOOO CARESSS" shirt.

    • @fredd164
      @fredd164 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      we got top men on it right now

    • @James-pg8ur
      @James-pg8ur 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Baraki Apparel

    • @WolfgerSilberbaer
      @WolfgerSilberbaer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would buy that shirt in a heartbeat (if it was reasonably priced)

    • @fabiotieri3155
      @fabiotieri3155 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@WolfgerSilberbaer Yes, same here.
      Maybe with the outline of a beard somewhere on it too.

  • @saundroid1253
    @saundroid1253 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1254

    Fun fact: This is Alan’s most expensive production to date from having to pay Mark Rippetoe royalties on all the number 5’s and Hyip Drahves used

    • @jeffersonap386
      @jeffersonap386 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Well, Barbell medicine is the one charging +50$ for templates.

    • @jeremystaten1143
      @jeremystaten1143 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@jeffersonap386 $50 is dirt fucking cheap tho.

    • @somebigguy2215
      @somebigguy2215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @Jared Lind just looked at your link. Holy shit that's insane. Thing's base doesnt even look stable lol. What a rip

    • @jeffersonap386
      @jeffersonap386 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @Jared Lind So? They are not an equipment company, you don't need to buy their bench and they don't tell you you have to buy it for their program. Their main product is 30$ (the book). If you want something from BBM, you need 50$ for 1 template, and to continue, the dollars need to keep coming, you can not even post your workout sessions because BBM doesn't want others too figure the program out.
      Both may want to make some cash, nothing wrong with that. But let's find better insults for SS, for example "fats", "dogmatic boomers", or something like that. Because "greedy" will be hypocritical.

    • @rvds0804
      @rvds0804 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Jared Lind to be fair its cheap for a restaurant quality butcher block of that size. Which you will need for all the red meat tbone steaks you prepare on the starting strength diet.

  • @1thevm1
    @1thevm1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +519

    I've been on Starting Strength for 10 years now, my legs are massive and the clap of my asscheeks keep alerting people that I'm coming.

    • @greysson2933
      @greysson2933 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      dummy swole

    • @Bahrrot
      @Bahrrot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@greysson2933 dummy thicc
      Edit: He also seems to be alerting the guards.

    • @alexeyshilin7485
      @alexeyshilin7485 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bahrrot exactly

  • @BasementBrandon
    @BasementBrandon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +754

    Full circle bruh

    • @aeameh
      @aeameh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Cool story bro.

    • @unnaturalatrophy5377
      @unnaturalatrophy5377 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@incorectulpolitic what an idiot

    • @incorectulpolitic
      @incorectulpolitic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@unnaturalatrophy5377 what an interesting, informative, enlightening, educational, intelligent and intellectual comment you just landed there. We learned so much from your comment(s). Keep it up! Thank you.

    • @DaBrute
      @DaBrute 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@unnaturalatrophy5377 ok sheeple...

    • @samwest4538
      @samwest4538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The most important comment on the internet.

  • @BigUriel
    @BigUriel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +700

    This is like a man's life journey in two minutes.

    • @Deondre_Clark
      @Deondre_Clark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      EXACTLY!

    • @KenpachiZarakiX
      @KenpachiZarakiX 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Bruh I'm on the last stage. I'm to the point where I'm like "Fuck it, lets see this shitshow"

    • @bigwilly43729
      @bigwilly43729 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am laughing so damn hard right now. Spot the fuck on. I'd go full nihlist, but I don't think the world will allow it. But I'm close.

  • @ultrakento
    @ultrakento 3 ปีที่แล้ว +237

    Is it weird that I know/watched every single video shown here?
    Jesus, time flies...

    • @Johnlemmo451
      @Johnlemmo451 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You might be able to help me - which video does the clip of Rip shaking his head at Alan come from?

  • @Aname550
    @Aname550 3 ปีที่แล้ว +249

    So I've been on SS for around 20 years, deloaded and reset about 200 times. Things are going pretty well, think I'm well on my way to becoming an intermediate lifter. Girls have started to notice too, just the other day I heard some ladies at the gym refer to me as "T-Rex"- the alpha predator! Gonna keep going for a bit, see how far I can push it. Thanks Mr Rippletoe!

    • @Vitorruy1
      @Vitorruy1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Iaughed so hard this

    • @MetalCooking666
      @MetalCooking666 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I feel like this is an example of a mismatch between what Rip himself advocates and what a lot of SS trainees say they are doing

  • @ch39547
    @ch39547 3 ปีที่แล้ว +978

    I thought starting strength was a basic strength programme for beginners. Meanwhile the comment section reads like a support group for people who just escaped a cult.

    • @tylerh629
      @tylerh629 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      its all in how your personality works. Starting strength and stronglifts are great programs that give you a foundation to go off to another program with. They are NOT a CULT to worship. Its like Vegans and crossfitters. Dont be those people.

    • @tylerp5839
      @tylerp5839 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      @YOU HAVE TO LIVE IT stuck in their ways for 6 months... you mean like doing a programme?

    • @SchwartzSchnee
      @SchwartzSchnee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@tylerp5839 You should be done with Starting Strength in about 3-4 months. Anyone doing it for 6 months really isn't following the program.

    • @frankchen4229
      @frankchen4229 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@tylerh629 u were good until u started bashing vegans. (bashing crossshit is fine)

    • @mielipuolisiili7240
      @mielipuolisiili7240 3 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      @@frankchen4229 Why? There are good crossfitters just like there are good vegans, but there are creepy cultist vegans just like there are creepy cultist crossfitters.

  • @austinwilliams3120
    @austinwilliams3120 3 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    “ I don’t think the same way I did five years ago” BRO STOP IM IN TEARS

  • @BrandoTheMando87
    @BrandoTheMando87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +335

    Step 6: Deload 10-20%, and build back up by adding 5lbs. Rinse and repeat.
    Step 7: Be stuck on LP for 5 years making no progress.

    • @its_james_fitness
      @its_james_fitness 3 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      Step 8: "oh shit I better do conjugate or something"

    • @respectedmastermind
      @respectedmastermind 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ✓👆👆👆

    • @Semiotichazey
      @Semiotichazey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Step 9: Realize that MANY huge dudes have been on gear at some point including Rippetoe himself

    • @tylerp5839
      @tylerp5839 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Semiotichazey step 10: oh shit its literally everyone but our boy Adam Paul

    • @bgorley
      @bgorley 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Step 10: Add more milk.

  • @FaheemRashid
    @FaheemRashid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +204

    Stage 6. Enlightenment. Stage 7. Vertical diet. Stage 8. cookie dough ice cream... That's it, cant get higher than cookie dough ice cream.

    • @ouisdfihsadfnijsnad
      @ouisdfihsadfnijsnad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Cbd sponsorship

    • @bmstylee
      @bmstylee 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ouisdfihsadfnijsnad herb strong for life!

    • @alanhartranft9899
      @alanhartranft9899 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I started at Stage 8 and ended at Stage 8

    • @JdSpoof
      @JdSpoof 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      BEN AND JERRY’S GOD DAMN IT

    • @jer3887
      @jer3887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stage 9. Lobster Claws.

  • @jacobhgh5191
    @jacobhgh5191 3 ปีที่แล้ว +177

    Stage 1-5: “that’s not heavy”

    • @morefiction3264
      @morefiction3264 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@incorectulpolitic Sounds alot like 2020 news media prepping us for the election.

    • @sam-to1mw
      @sam-to1mw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      incorectulpolitic And the correlation between this and Starting Strength ?

    • @morefiction3264
      @morefiction3264 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sam-to1mw baaaaaaaa

  • @ianAEF
    @ianAEF 3 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    I was waiting for a "ONE THOUSAND POUNDS" bit when you were talking about how much weight you lost.

  • @Ohnoitsthatguy-620
    @Ohnoitsthatguy-620 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This is a level of self awareness that I thought was impossible for a youtuber and may in fact be one of the best videos I've ever seen.

  • @michael.lecompte
    @michael.lecompte 3 ปีที่แล้ว +209

    It's uncomfortable how close to reality this is.
    I'm on step 4.

    • @kademcgill2599
      @kademcgill2599 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Steps 2, 3, and 5 at the same time.

    • @tannerrowe128
      @tannerrowe128 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I've been in step 1 for almost 3 years now. Yee haw

    • @senselessnothing
      @senselessnothing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      are you planning to get weaker and say "DOES IT EVEN MATTER" like alan did?

    • @jimmykruzer
      @jimmykruzer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yall gotta explain please I was planning on becoming a starting strength coach as a career!?

    • @jimmykruzer
      @jimmykruzer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tannerrowe128 do you not like coaching

  • @dooby1445
    @dooby1445 3 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    This is exactly what I went through. Strict and rigid programs, worrying too much about all the details and recovery and bullshit, to a our natty savior Eric Bugez style lifting. Literally just lift and forget the rest

    • @chipsketo8109
      @chipsketo8109 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amen

    • @CigEconomy
      @CigEconomy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Except the vast majority of people at the beginning of their lifting careers are retarded and need this level of regimentation, myself included. Mark didn't develop Starting Strength because it's "scientifically" the best way for a novice to train, he developed it after years of training novices and discovering that giving them an overly complicated workout and allowing for too much freedom is in most cases a terrible idea. SS is a great program to get novices strong very quickly while not distracting them with a ton of unnecessary bullshit, especially since most people interested in getting stronger aren't looking to be competitive powerlifters. Until you've actually coached novices for years you can't fully appreciate something like SS.
      A good novice coach doesn't need their lifters going down the rabbit hole and switching 100 times between low bar and high bar, based on how they feel that particularly day. They just need consistency.
      Being dogmatic for novices and early intermediates is better than being nihilistic. As you get more advanced, however, dogmatism definitely is bad as their are countless different ways for someone to get stronger and every person is different.

    • @CigEconomy
      @CigEconomy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@developmental_rationalist Wow it's almost like I never said other novice programs weren't good.

    • @developmental_rationalist
      @developmental_rationalist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@CigEconomy i just mean he is too rigid,no need to stick with 5rep and low bar even for beginner

    • @CigEconomy
      @CigEconomy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@developmental_rationalist He's not too rigid. Many novices need rigid programming.

  • @knucklesmcjerk7861
    @knucklesmcjerk7861 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    "Have you just tried caring less?" is probably on of the best things you can hear in the gym. Just go attack some weights. Get in, get out. Go to your work, come home and kiss your family. Dont let gains wreck your life. Theres always some one bigger, badder, and stronker.

  •  3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    1:15 killed me. 🤣🤣🤣 Only thing missing was you pulling a scapula out of your pocket randomly. 😂

  • @nicholasnicosia2325
    @nicholasnicosia2325 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Some guy posted this on a starting strength subreddit and now I think I've watched every one of Alan's videos

  • @TheAvesMYSTR
    @TheAvesMYSTR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    For real tho why does mark shake his head at Alan’s power clean?!

    • @AnthonyMazzarella
      @AnthonyMazzarella 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      Because it was textbook and he realized there was nothing he could sell Allen

  • @TheChef1984
    @TheChef1984 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    😂 This is my favourite Alan Thrall video. Wonder if stage 6 is, “Realise Rip was right all along, repeat all fahve stages.”

    • @rossMIE
      @rossMIE 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😂🔥👍

  • @BrianGoldstein927
    @BrianGoldstein927 3 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    On a channel of absolute bangers, this is the best.

  • @mr.richardson2939
    @mr.richardson2939 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Alan this is your best video yet. I love that you can look at yourself with humor and not take yourself so seriously.

  • @QuarterHater9
    @QuarterHater9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    This is the reason why I follow you bruh, you are willing to change your mindset on certain things, I absolutely agree, besides you look so much better now. And still funny as shit!

  • @paulcaskey
    @paulcaskey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I dind't realise Untamed was clothing optional. I'll have to swing by and give it a shot. Thanks.

  • @davidpenfold
    @davidpenfold 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Starting Strength is great for a novice program, and maybe useful in initial intermediate. But it's a stepping stone to whatever goals you have, not an end in itself.

    • @GabrielAKAFinn
      @GabrielAKAFinn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      It's almost like it's called starting strength not for the rest of your life strength

    • @JM-sy5qv
      @JM-sy5qv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yeah I never understood the hate. I guess it's all people that used it for 5 years and didn't see their goals met

    • @andresgoens
      @andresgoens 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@JM-sy5qv I wouldn't call this hating on it, it's more like not blind adoration. Yeah, starting strength's fine, but there are other things you can do that are also good for you to get strong. I guess you could say it's more nuanced that that

    • @IrishOrtodoxa
      @IrishOrtodoxa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It is a novice programme followed by the intermediate programme called the Texas Method

    • @bragiodinsen4604
      @bragiodinsen4604 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the problem is that mark tries to teach you the importance of programming but he wants to keep you trapped on the texas method to increase sales and gym franchises so he cant have you thinking tooooo much for yourself.

  • @AWZmusic
    @AWZmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +180

    as a guy who has watched the channel for years... this is hilarious

    • @reggiew87
      @reggiew87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I feel like we've grown so much lol

  • @andersonsridebikes
    @andersonsridebikes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    The real stages:
    1)Leverage Starting Strength in order to develop your TH-cam channel and build your reputation.
    2) Advance past the Novice Linear Progression and realize Starting Strength might not help address your specific goals. Strongman, for example.
    3) Let minor differences in opinion fester and develop an unnecessary rift in the Strength community.
    4) Publicly denounce Starting Strength
    People can certainly disagree on issues like diet and conditioning, but the NLP is still the best program for beginners in the strength game. We are all out here trying to get strong. I certainly don't agree with Mark on everything, but I still appreciate what he has contributed to the Strength Community

    • @clownpocket
      @clownpocket 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The head BBM doc is still slamming the SS novice program.
      I haven’t seen him present a better one, unless it’s hidden in $50 programs.
      Edit: found it for $64.99

  • @Ronnock
    @Ronnock 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I've literally gone through these stages.

    • @greenwithagun
      @greenwithagun 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      We all have, brother, we all have. Or sister. Snort.

    • @senselessnothing
      @senselessnothing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      well, 300 or 400 extra lbs on the squat don't hurt

    • @johnross6436
      @johnross6436 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup

  • @garak55
    @garak55 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    As much as I try not to care about such things, being on SS after half a year is really the best way to work really hard and still look like you don't lift.

    • @zerrodefex
      @zerrodefex 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm glad I figured that out around month 4 and shifted out of that dogma. If I'm going to put in all this work might as well look like it when outside of the gym.

  • @PrimitiveDSP
    @PrimitiveDSP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    Life is about lifting weights in a linear progression until you get fat and pink.

  • @NaturalHypertrophy
    @NaturalHypertrophy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +139

    0:48 Alan looking like he's about to eat the photographer for his 3rd pre-workout meal

    • @nykkq
      @nykkq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      jesus christ that one got me

    • @R3dD34th
      @R3dD34th 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cursed image

    • @stefm.5947
      @stefm.5947 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      LMAO

    • @twisted_goat
      @twisted_goat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My man, I see you all over Rick Del Hagen’s comments too! We are all watchin the same content lol

    • @AnnLaustsen87
      @AnnLaustsen87 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @NaturalHypertrophy could you work with me on my programming?

  • @dextriathlon3642
    @dextriathlon3642 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Alan, I just want to tell you, you are a big help in my fitness journey! You were the one who really got me believing weightlifting was something I could enjoy! Now I'm on a journey to max out the bars and weights I have at home (100kg/220lb (I think)) for reps!

  • @CodyRobertEly
    @CodyRobertEly 3 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    3: get injured, question form, get burnt at the stake

    • @BM-si2ei
      @BM-si2ei 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Step 5: realizing that injury and form are likely weakly, if not completely un, related concepts.

    • @GabrielAKAFinn
      @GabrielAKAFinn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@BM-si2ei Post your worm back deadlifts

    • @Vitorruy1
      @Vitorruy1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BM-si2ei thats going too far

  • @jamesj5469
    @jamesj5469 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's nice to see someone who is okay with admitting they can change their views on thinks over time

  • @Jmack7861
    @Jmack7861 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I do find it funny that I will randomly watch starting strength videos and see a wild Alan thrall in the background in a lot of them

  • @PEEERRRR
    @PEEERRRR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    Stage 6: your skin turns red and your hands twitch like a lobster

    • @RealGeorg3
      @RealGeorg3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      You know, for a dude named Kevin you sure are a babe.

    • @justabigbuhckdontlookatmeb8080
      @justabigbuhckdontlookatmeb8080 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Nice tets kevin

    • @PEEERRRR
      @PEEERRRR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I attribute my breast development to 5x5 and ghhaalloons of milk. Keep it up... One day you may

  • @trdic
    @trdic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    that's the funniest vt vid I've seen in a while man!! fuckin loved it!!!!

    • @Dark89Avenger
      @Dark89Avenger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ha ! Nice to see you here. I love your channel

  • @anthonymorabito32
    @anthonymorabito32 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    this has transformed to a meme channel and i love it. also more cooking videos please.

    • @bluedogguy
      @bluedogguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +1 on firing up the grill and making epic meals.

  • @Mauriac158
    @Mauriac158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Rough day, this actually helped me bud. Thanks
    We're all gonna make it.

  • @KavinayKishor
    @KavinayKishor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    "Have you tried just caring less?" would be a great gym shirt

  • @TheAyatollahofNofappollah
    @TheAyatollahofNofappollah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    IT IS WHAT IT IS.
    I bought in because it made my strength go through the roof.
    2 I got heavier because of the strength and calories.
    3 I questioned, because I was always in pain and frequently injured.
    4 I'm getting skinny because I enjoy exercising and want to avoid injury.
    5 I care more about longevity now.

    • @zerrodefex
      @zerrodefex 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I speedran these stages in about six months, much happier on a more bodybuilding oriented program.

  • @mah7999
    @mah7999 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Lol but starting strength is exactly that: a great place to start. Eventually we all find our own goals and what works best for us.

    • @PlasmaFuzer
      @PlasmaFuzer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Best Comment!! Well said.

    • @adalbertogomes6843
      @adalbertogomes6843 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Spot on, with starting strength I got used to exercise and gained some serious strength, despite the hip drahve never made sense to me, but after 2 years it was time to move on.

    • @oliverallen5324
      @oliverallen5324 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I feel like your articulation of the truth supercedes the understanding of most people. Starting Strength isn't a way of life; it's just the fastest way to go from weak, to not weak, as possible. "Get your squat up to 405." Then do something else.

    • @CigEconomy
      @CigEconomy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@oliverallen5324 Rip doesn't even deny this. Yeah he's very dogmatic about other things like bar positioning on the squat but he's mostly coming from the position of a general strength coach and his advice is pretty spot on for the average person just trying to get strong and not get lost in a sea of bullshit. The fitness industry is and always has been full of sharks so I appreciate there being someone like Mark to keep the parameters low for the newbies.
      This is coming from someone that did SS and then never did anything else from Rip after that. I have a ton of respect for the dude and I think the fact that so many people hate him is a testament to how good of a coach he is.

    • @moeazam6358
      @moeazam6358 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CigEconomy
      which programm did you move on to after finishing Starting Strength

  • @robdixson196
    @robdixson196 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Rippetoe is a bit of a tyrant but he does provide clear unabiguous answers. It's something that builds confidence in begginers

    • @missano3856
      @missano3856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      There is a simple answer to everything and it is always wrong.

    • @sananton2821
      @sananton2821 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      what is a beg-giner?

  • @jake-watkins
    @jake-watkins 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In typical internet fashion I'm stealing the end of the video but reversing it - Have You Tried Caring Less -> it doesnt matter -> -> ->.
    Right now, today, I really needed to hear that. Thank you.

  • @ilde4
    @ilde4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Wow, a lot of starting strength coaches on here who also went through these phases.

  • @Nathan-tz7us
    @Nathan-tz7us 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    he said 6'1, 185 lbs turd and i feel so called out

  • @NONO-hz4vo
    @NONO-hz4vo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's only funny because it's true. And there are 100's of comments in a few hours because this is hilarious to so many of us. I now preach the old "Whatever workout you will actually do" is the best.
    I feel that if someone gets started doing a workout they love eventually they will end up doing the research for their long loved hobby and figure out what works well for them.
    Have fun everyone!

  • @BoeserWolf1977
    @BoeserWolf1977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Well, In my opinion the rant is missing the point. The program is called "Starting Strength" and not "Sophisticated training tools for advanced lifters and adaption to specific individual demands".
    In my opinion the simple approach is doing a pretty good job for any novice - as a general rule.
    If I had the book when I started training 30 years ago, I would have made a lot better results compared to my results I got, based on reading the Flex and other magazines...

    • @BoeserWolf1977
      @BoeserWolf1977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @BlueJupiterJazz well maybe.
      And maybe sets of 6 are better than 5s or more pulling is better, or some direct core work is better or...
      The point is: You do not much wrong as a beginner following the program for a year or two.
      Keeping it simple and reducing the amount of exercises to learn a good technique, fast is not a bad idea for a beginner - imho.
      Better than my start with 5 day bro split from a Flex magazine with 20 sets for biceps for sure;)

    • @MaRaX93
      @MaRaX93 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @BlueJupiterJazz clueless

  • @rossMIE
    @rossMIE 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is beautiful bit of work.

  • @williamrachello3699
    @williamrachello3699 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I'll be the contrarian of this comment section and say that Starting Strength is the absolute best school of thought for introducing people to strength training. Its rigor, simplicity and predictability cannot be found anywhere else. There, I said it.

    • @williamrachello3699
      @williamrachello3699 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @OVERCOME72 what exactly do you think should be different?

    • @clownpocket
      @clownpocket 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @OVERCOME72
      If you’re still able to add weight, more volume is junk volume.

    • @clownpocket
      @clownpocket 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @OVERCOME72
      When you can no longer add 5 lb, reduce intensity and add volume.
      If you want unnecessary volume just do stronglifts 5x5.

    • @clownpocket
      @clownpocket 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @OVERCOME72
      If that’s what you enjoy have fun.

    • @clownpocket
      @clownpocket 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @OVERCOME72
      It’s a strength program. If you’re adding 5 lb you don’t need to add more volume to be able to continue adding 5 lb.
      If more volume makes you happy that’s great.
      But the metric is not happiness the metric is strength.
      Eventually you’ll need to add more volume.
      But I’ll bet 3x5 deadlifts along with 3x5 squats from the beginning is not going to help put weight on the bar. A: because that’s happening with 1x5, and B: it’s going to tax your recovery unnecessarily.
      Add more volume when you need to.

  • @apffer
    @apffer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    without starting strength there would be no barbell medicine. My full respect to the SS crew for taking the bs out and creating a method anyone can follow and get results.

    • @rhhr5698
      @rhhr5698 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Exactly. All BBM And BBL standing on the shoulders of giants. Zero loyalty. Zero respect. But if it gets views.

    • @madgoldnz
      @madgoldnz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Excellent point, one that people forget quickly. Starting strength is an excellent book for beginners who want to learn the barbell lifts and don't have access to a decent coach.

    • @OMAR-vk9pi
      @OMAR-vk9pi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@rhhr5698 yikes that logic

  • @sebharvey9101
    @sebharvey9101 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's the fucking best video Alan has ever made, because people will hear whatever they want from it.

  • @kugif3927
    @kugif3927 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is my lifting career in a nut shell. Add in a few injuries and it’s complete

  • @alpagator1372
    @alpagator1372 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The low bar squat is superior coz I like it more than high bar

    • @garysellars8914
      @garysellars8914 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The low bar squat is superior for lifting more weight which is what most powerlifters want to do. The high bar is superior for... i don't know, olympic lifters probably and those that don't care about how much weight they lift.

    • @theoneanton
      @theoneanton 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Low bar is easier on my knees. I like my knees.

    • @morefiction3264
      @morefiction3264 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Low bar is easier on my neck.

    • @GUILHERME-qq2jj
      @GUILHERME-qq2jj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      High bar squat is easier on the shoulder and elbows

    • @senselessnothing
      @senselessnothing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the high bar is superior at wasting time in the gym

  • @michaellacy8510
    @michaellacy8510 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I'm with you Alan. Not a big "joiner" and turned off by cults. Yes Starting Strength and Cross fit I'm looking at you.
    Especially as I get older (64), heavy weights don't give me what I want. Recently switched to kettlbells (BLASPHEMY!). Just enough weight and improved fitness. More flexibility for my old back, knees, hips. Do what works for you.

    • @MetalCooking666
      @MetalCooking666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then surely the problem is not with Starting Strength but rather the fact that lifting heavy weights isn’t your thing anymore

  • @REVIVALFitness
    @REVIVALFitness 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I think we're all stage 5 at this point

  • @umsickenpoop
    @umsickenpoop 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the openness to evolve and even poke fun at your self. Keep putting out great content!

  • @JimmyTheMinute
    @JimmyTheMinute 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm on stage 5, but I still think the book taught me more than anything else, before I went on barbell medicine, in fact I did amazingly well on SS then Texas method and I have got all my clients who I used it on to do well,
    I just changed it for fun and again doesn't really matter, I learnt I can make and make over people for get same results with more fun methods, but SS put me on the right path,
    Just wished I didn't waste 4 years on 5/3/1 - conjugate etc
    Did the beginner program from BB medicine and broken records,

  • @grimtrigg3r
    @grimtrigg3r 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Having followed he BBM - SS rift for a while, I have to say I goddamn LOL'd so hard at this!

    • @McMeatBag
      @McMeatBag 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I'm still convinced that Jordan is Rip's actual child

    • @bmstylee
      @bmstylee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@McMeatBag not nearly pink enough to be Rip's kid.

    • @johnnysquiretube
      @johnnysquiretube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      There's a study by important people with letters after their name that says $50 programs work better, so everything BBM says is scientificly proven correct.

    • @ScaRxFaceLP
      @ScaRxFaceLP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      what am i missing? what has gone over my head?!

    • @senselessnothing
      @senselessnothing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@ScaRxFaceLP BB medicine copy most of rip's stuff, add some useless RPE stuff to it to make it inferior, market it for 50$ and put the labels "doctor" and "science" everywhere.
      Oh and promise alan gains, now he's weaker.

  • @mustang8206
    @mustang8206 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Glad to see you've stopped being obsessed with starting strength

  • @flabio7074
    @flabio7074 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    We’ve all gone through this process probably

  • @shadowofadoubt
    @shadowofadoubt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As someone who’s watched the channel over the years I love this so much haha I’m at the beginning of step 4 by the way, if we exclude becoming an SS coach.

  • @willwoodvine143
    @willwoodvine143 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Possibly my favourite video on the internet.

  • @Merjia
    @Merjia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I feel like a stronger person from having watched this.

  • @danielbuege1
    @danielbuege1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:14 That snort was *perfect*

    • @kqh123
      @kqh123 ปีที่แล้ว

      The tucked in shirt too. subtle

  • @montezuma0000
    @montezuma0000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    1:15 thats the classic rippetoe lean

  • @Mufasa9090
    @Mufasa9090 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The book is still the gold standard in how to perform the movements though.

    • @bozoc2572
      @bozoc2572 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Only their deadlift algorithm IMO. Rest can go to bin

    • @PiOfficial
      @PiOfficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They are all pointless because you don’t need a whole book to teach you how to do these lifts just 5 minutes with someone who already does them and or a TH-cam video

    • @nomongosinthaworld
      @nomongosinthaworld 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The way it teaches OHP is horrendous and the dogmatic way of calling low bar the end all be all to squats is retarded as it doesn’t factor in individual anatomy at all

    • @Mufasa9090
      @Mufasa9090 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nomongosinthaworld what's wrong with the OHP?

    • @bozoc2572
      @bozoc2572 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Mufasa9090 Ignore him, he is even more dogmatic than Rip.

  • @mattsmith894
    @mattsmith894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know this video was supposed to be a joke. But, god do I respect the hell out of the message .

  • @bfollmann
    @bfollmann 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Step 5: Hears a doctor's voice shrieking in the distance: "IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!"

  • @jeffriesmovies
    @jeffriesmovies 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    holy shit that was a whole emotional journey

  • @djxjxixsmjxjskjzxn1853
    @djxjxixsmjxjskjzxn1853 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Try Caring Less". This is the BEST advice in the world: just don't give a shit what others think. As long as you're not a dick, unless someone has something positive to say, or some really good advice, their opinion doesn't matter at all. This attitude also works for all 'social' media.

  • @jwbrooks55
    @jwbrooks55 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I remember my “low bar superior phase”. People started treating me like “excuse me sir do you have time to hear about our lord and savior…”

  • @bwatt1383
    @bwatt1383 3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I can't lie though SS help me start consistent, honest training. If rip wasn't as much of a dogmatic a-hole my fickle teen brain would've ignored it.

    • @chrishansen9731
      @chrishansen9731 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Is he taking a shot at Rip in this video lol

  • @nathanielv775
    @nathanielv775 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I also bought into the whole “low bar is superior, fuck high bar” mentality. Not a good idea. Low bar actually is more comfortable for me tho, so I just do low bar and front squats.

    • @zerrodefex
      @zerrodefex 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I never could even do low bar because flexibility issues, always did high bar and these days I do front and zerchers more as those help me more in everyday tasks. How often do you need to lift stuff on your shoulders vs lift and carry something in front of you?

  • @Yupppi
    @Yupppi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sweet editing! And good sense of self-irony!

  • @ramblingatease4402
    @ramblingatease4402 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Sometimes I wonder if Alan is one of the people rip was talking about when he said they were in the process of hunting down and killing a few knuckleheads who made it through as starting strength coaches

    • @somebigguy2215
      @somebigguy2215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Don't know what youre referring to but sounds epic lol

    • @CrimsonStrider
      @CrimsonStrider 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Rip was talking about people that weren't actually good coaches I believe, ones that got through during the earlier days.

    • @joeyh6521
      @joeyh6521 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Anyone who challenges or disagrees with the the teachings of SS will be considered a bad coach.

    • @senselessnothing
      @senselessnothing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Still waiting on alan to get strong after he associated with BB medicine, it's been years and he's only getting weaker.

    • @unnaturalatrophy5377
      @unnaturalatrophy5377 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@senselessnothing dude you are obsessed! You have made this similar comment in almost every comment thread. Get a life...

  • @mankillsquare
    @mankillsquare 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If only I’d not wasted hours and hours watching training videos for the last 15 years and just watched this one. It doesn’t matter!

  • @alexlepz6862
    @alexlepz6862 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Does Rippetoe and SS are really wrong? I mean, Alan has built most of his muscle under their programs. Now he got leaner and looks better? OK, so what? I'm not saying Rippetoe and his crew aren't dogmatic but they're not wrong on many many things. Their essentials are quite useful for most lifters.

    • @miguellorenzosingian1562
      @miguellorenzosingian1562 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alan is affiliated now with Barbell Medicine, you should check them out. It's full of former SSCs. I'm doing the BBM beginner template. While it's still based on the squat, deadlift, OHP and bench press, it's also full of all the good things Rip hates for beginners: varying rep ranges, RPE, cardio, and accessories.
      The stuff I learned from SS was useful (how to do the four lifts, why they're important), but I had to do my own research to learn what's bullshit (that I can modify my program to keep making progress as a beginner without getting fat and giving up the my cardio fitness). You probably did the same thing too. Most people won't have that initiative.

  • @dann12031992
    @dann12031992 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A strength journey is not a simple one, kudos to him to getting as far as he has. All weighlifters have our own journey.

  • @patrickvanherk
    @patrickvanherk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Wish we had some good seminars down here in the Netherlands. Or Europe in general.

    • @ptm3188
      @ptm3188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There is a SSC in Brussels. I (not yet a SSC) also run weekend workshops based on the SS method in Warsaw.

    • @TCA17
      @TCA17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@ptm3188 didn't you watch the video? Do you expect people that went through Alan's experience to rush to ssc gyms?

    • @hiebrantsify
      @hiebrantsify 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Have you tried caring less?

    • @ptm3188
      @ptm3188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TCA17 Yes.

    • @uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweug7776
      @uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweug7776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey eindelijk een Nederlander, volg Alan zelf al jaren. Geniaal figuur!

  • @jimothy_7255
    @jimothy_7255 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I’m at the stage where I wish I never learned about working out and that I wish my parents made me learn piano or beat me when I didn’t study or something

  • @MarioJBGugisch
    @MarioJBGugisch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i think can maybe relate.. not exactly to SS but to lifting in general.. ive been lifting for almost 20 years, and nowdays i just train whatever i feel like.. no pressure over the weight, excercise, frequency or whatever.. i just dont care that much anymore, i just lift so i can maybe get older healthier than my dad did.. no need to constantly chase pbs

    • @emilgilels
      @emilgilels 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "I just lift so I can get older, healthier": That's the key...

  • @GlidingChiller
    @GlidingChiller 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Stage 5 is generally just one of the best things of becoming older and more experienced.

  • @TexicanMr
    @TexicanMr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I subscribed to Alan's old video comparing low bar squat angles to the deadlift.

  • @bluedogguy
    @bluedogguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I cannot lie: I miss Fat Alan. I like the Alan that ate a lot, gave no shits, lifted heavy and questioned less. Now, everyone must change and Alan will never go back to that because forward is the future. But the Alan that ended every day with a big-ass bowl of ice cream and chocolate syrup was fun. Nice to see him again here.

    • @yacined4882
      @yacined4882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He looked like shit and I'm happy he did a cut like an adult

    • @MostafaElSakari
      @MostafaElSakari 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I hate the new Alan
      The always rude Alan
      Spaz in the gym Alan

  • @Fake--Natty
    @Fake--Natty 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I really enjoyed this video, as well as all the previous snarky references to Rip and SS. However at this point it is starting to seem rather silly, like Alan just can't get over the whole "drama" that happened between SS and BBM when they were splitting up and right after that. That being said there is always a possibility of some nasty things that have happened behind the scenes, which would totally explain Alan's behaviour.
    BTW I am still waiting for both sides to have a programming debate as it was foreshadowed in SS forums right before the split (although it is quite obvious who would win it anyways). Since Barbell Logic got expelled from Rippetoe's church maybe they could also participate in it, although I am not aware if their approach differs significantly enough from SS to be an actual third party in this discussion.

    • @mkdorkov123
      @mkdorkov123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      1- yes, three or four years from now he can do another video on how he was drinking the BBM Koolaide.
      2- BBLogic is definitely morphing into something else other than/ beyond SS Programming.

    • @clownpocket
      @clownpocket 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      There is a debate. Buy a $64.99 BBM template to hear their side.

    • @bozoc2572
      @bozoc2572 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mkdorkov123 that's interesting, even BB logic split from.
      I follow BBM now and then and they are light years ahead most of the online strength peeps on injury rehab stuff.
      I guess it helps they are up to current research papers...

    • @clownpocket
      @clownpocket 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bozoc2572
      I guess you have to get injured or be in pain to appreciate BBM.

    • @bozoc2572
      @bozoc2572 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@clownpocket If you take your training seriously, some sort of _injury _is inevitable. If you have a decent understanding of contemporary injury&pain science and practices you are saving yourself plenty of times getting stuck with shithole rehab practices.
      As far as their programming goes, they are also up to date with the literature. And I was really surprised to hear Austin talk about a recent article on strength training I saw on loading&volume for strength training!
      They can charge for their templates as much as they want, it should not bother you, nor should they give it for less or free if you want it. The market will decide. Personally, I think they offer poor value with those, but if you want to support them, go ahead!

  • @emilgilels
    @emilgilels 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "Have I tried 'Just caring less'?" - Hell, that was my Step 1...

  • @angelocos1
    @angelocos1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These workout/strength channels are interesting. The ones who actually have the best concepts and principles to offer, seem to argue with each other the most.
    I did SS for a while. (Couldnt handle the diet though)
    It helped a great deal. Then I kept the basic principles and moved on. None of this is a big deal.

  • @livestrongforever
    @livestrongforever 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i did that with westside barbell feels good to realize nothing really matters

  • @its_james_fitness
    @its_james_fitness 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I haven't even been training 3 years and I've gone through the phases, I'm around 4-5. Gone from only low bar squatting, using it as the core focus of any workout with the other lifts being useful extras, and being thicc. Now I'm like "damn, would be useful to get stronger at good mornings and do more dips, front squats and do more conditioning"

    • @IrishOrtodoxa
      @IrishOrtodoxa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I think you are referring to the transition from novice to intermediate. The clue is in the name: Starting Strength. Starting. After that you are advised to follow the Texas Method. It's just a suggestion.

    • @its_james_fitness
      @its_james_fitness 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@IrishOrtodoxa texas method is far from optimal though

    • @IrishOrtodoxa
      @IrishOrtodoxa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@its_james_fitness optimal for what?

  • @e.e.8589
    @e.e.8589 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love you Alan. Just a honest, funny and self-critical video 👍champions mentality here.

  • @TheLouisianan
    @TheLouisianan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This documents the Great Schism when disciples from the Church of Rippetoe realized that the church is not preaching to the true ideals of how to actually get strong. Those of us that followed the light when Jordan and Austin posted their 95 Theses on the internet boards and lead us on the true and right path to strength and health. Saint Alan is among the greats my brethren.

  • @lukefujicat
    @lukefujicat ปีที่แล้ว

    I've learned a ton from Alan, but this is still my favorite video

  • @katietatey
    @katietatey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think Step 5 relates to my job... it's scary how much I say that at work.

  • @abewilcox4560
    @abewilcox4560 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rippetoe has got the "get fat" part down pat

  • @NaturalHypertrophy
    @NaturalHypertrophy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Stage 2 'bout to trigger a whole lot a "powerlifter" dudes who use strength as an excuse to stuff their face and stick to reps of 3

    • @jamesbarnes5769
      @jamesbarnes5769 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I feel attacked

    • @IrishOrtodoxa
      @IrishOrtodoxa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But if you don't want to be a bodybuilder and want to be strong in the 1-5 rep range on the big four compound movements...

    • @jamesbarnes5769
      @jamesbarnes5769 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@IrishOrtodoxa by big 4 you mean deadlift, deficit deadlift, SL deadlift and bench right?

    • @IrishOrtodoxa
      @IrishOrtodoxa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Deadlift, squat, bench, overhead press

    • @kobeballer
      @kobeballer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@IrishOrtodoxa no? It's bench, touch-n-go bench, slingshot bench and curls.

  • @bristolrovers27
    @bristolrovers27 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best video you’ve ever made

  • @Erik_Aegir
    @Erik_Aegir 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    probably the best training and/or coaching video ever ... probably .... eventually

  • @alexmc7798
    @alexmc7798 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The video we need right now.