This is so incredibly iconic. We're literally listening to the ushering in of a new age in Hip Hop. Busy Bee literally didn't know what hit him at all. Kool Moe Dee was young and ferocious in this battle. In the late 70s there were a group of kids that were ready to get the shouting chants era of Hip Hop the fuck outta here and get down on some serious wordplay. Amazing piece of American history.
9:58 is where I realized for the first time I questioned who really pioneered the rhyme pattern. Don't get me wrong, Rakim and Kool G Rap who are truly the best to ever do it changed the way rappers rapped later on. But we can't ignore what Kool Moe Dee did in 1981. Again, this was 1981!! and he had a rhyme pattern that even the crowd was stunned and didn't know how to react to because they had never heard something like that. No, he's not the best-selling rapper or a household name, but I think Kool Moe Dee deserves his flowers!
I've told people for years! I had this tape when I was young, we all did. That's where the 2,3 word combinations back to back came from, Cool Moe Dee. Be fore, it was a longer space beteen ryhming words. What else I remeber from that time, I was 11-12, Spoonie G was a lyrical God. You hear Moe Dee mention him in this rhyme against Busy B. I still vividly remember how Spoonie's pattern were coopted also. Go listen to his songs on TH-cam now. The early rappers never really gave him credit. I've never seen him at Awards Shows or none of that. But I remeber, Spoonie G wasn't a game. TLA Rock either RIP, he died early, 1985
@@FunkAddict ну а в то время кроме "ребят я говорю йо вы говорите йе" особо ничего и не было. для ТОГО времени это был вполне хороший парт (но вообще с оппонентом несравнимо)
It’s so seldom you get to hear a paradigm shift fucking live as it was happening. It’s wild. Almost haunting. Busy Bee didn’t just bring a knife to a gun fight. It’s more like no one knew what a gun fight was yet, and then KMD walked in with an uzi.
The Treacherous Three. Incredible. And they did that in one take! The rhythmic scratches when they sped up is flawless. Who ever saw that in real time was a part of history and didn’t even realize it at the time. Shout out also to Busy Bee Starski.
I was at that battle, Greatest moment, historic, legendary , best times for hip hop, the start of the map that lead to today's music and battles, made you realize, NEVER bring a MC to a RAP battle.
I spoke to a reputable historian (Jay Quan) about this battle. He spoke to Moe Dee about this battle, and it was said that Moe Dee regretted how he came at Busy Bee because he felt like he ambushed him. Of course, I understand that prior to this battle, the "old" way of competing was each act getting on stage and performing one at a time (without dissing each other), and the crowd ultimately decided who won. In the true sense of battling (at that time), technically Moe Dee went against the grain, so I can understand him feeling bad about what he did to Busy Bee. What Moe Dee did could probably better be described as "snapping" or "roasting." Still, he brought a new element to battle rap that is still utilized nearly 40 years later. But in my personal opinion, I don't have a problem with what Moe Dee did. In a battle, the goal is to win, and sometimes, you may have to do something unconventional to gain a competitive advantage over your opponent.
suaved wow! That’s so cool to know! Thanks! Yo did you trip out when he was saying “ chill out chill out, chil chil chil out” at the end!!? Yo!! He literally did what djs do when they sample someone’s vocals! He was trying to do the scratch effect with it!! Yo!!!!
He only felt bad so far as he knew that this was a new style of battling. It was his confidence. This Christmas Rappers Conventiom at Harlem World goes on for weeks, KMD was going around telling people to watch how he was going to floor Busy Bee. That's coming from Chuck D.
Now in the early 90's he would have destroyed both Tupac,Biggie Smalls. Also Ice Cube easily. The only problems he will have is against Mellie Mel of Furious Five, and of course a tight battle will be against KRS-1 this very day Live on stage. A few years later Busy Bee nearly could not handle a young teenage girl by the name of Roxanne Shante which wasn't a easy victory at all in front of judges such as Red Alert. Actually back in the 1980s at the Rooftop skating rink in Harlem I witness Big Daddy Kane destroy some want to be who never made it with dissing rhyme off the top of his head,and ended it by tossing a subway token at that individual.
That's true. I remember Jayquan posting a comment from the ORIGINAL NY Tape Man Troy Smith where he commented that Busy Bee was caught off guard in Busy Bee's defense. Kool Moe Dee did come HARD though. Much like reggae, many of the 70's MC's could not adapt to the newer style. People had lyrics in the 80's, no more cocaine fueled Disco chat.
I can't believe its been almost 50 years since this event. I hung out at Harlem World frequently and I had this tape as well. Crazy because I remember listening to this tape and dancing with Sandy D in my room. She was in highschool then and later on would become one of hip hops iconic female rappers. Peppa from Salt and Peppa.
It can't be that this one and the Cold Crush are the only two tapes to see the light of day. Still looking for that clip where the DJ was playing "bohemian Rhapsody", and the MC yelled: "Turn that shit off, man!…"
Damn! This is as CLASSIC as it can get. You have to have been old enough, in the hip hop game as a performer or fan to even comprehend this. I remember it well. Moe Dee made his move to get that acclaimed “Mc. Battle King” of that era.
@@galept Hip Hop started to change when RUN DMC got popular over the addida's lucky brake.. as you will notice their beats are not use in any dubbing or remake of any hip hop rapping. The west coast did take Sponnie Gee's beat and ganster style, west cost hated Run DMC, Then after RUN DMC the following generation started to monetized from hip hop, even tried coming out with own beat and drug dealer style nothing to do with hip hop cuture that only deterriorated HipHop such as MIGOS did, then recording studios got involved and when natural talent dried out, they started inventing technogy to alterate voice over and pattern beats.. just look at Fake Drake, a candian who is not a Hip Hop orgina,l just some rich kid sponsored by family, similar case of a Vanilla ice and Milli Vanilli, sugar hill gang.
Thank You so much not just for me but all that follow....for uploading this... another copy of the beginning forever here to be found by those looking #salute
I only know about this because of the beasties, so after decades of wanting to hear this, high AF, I think to myself , I bet that’s on TH-cam and sure enough... I’m floored, this sounds amazing and KMD is vicious on the mic, like, I had no idea it was gonna be that sick.
This is seriously cool. Now I know the history of the rap battle. I actually participated in one last year. Made it to fourth place out of eight battlers
At 9:58 They should have scratched through the whole part like that part in ATCQ Stir it up/Steve Biko when Qtip said something about "opinions are like voices... we all have a different kind..."
@@TapeDeckWreck y es que hbd es alguien que comparte mucho de del rap, en todo su género. En una oportunidad hizo un vídeo donde hablaba de la primera batalla de rap. Es por eso que muchos lo mencionan en tu vídeo. Saludos. th-cam.com/video/WpSS2QsYn9I/w-d-xo.html
I was listening to "Root Down" Beastie Boys and Mike D name checks this battle in his verse, that's how I came here. D's got a great verse in that song. Glad I came, the party after this battle was not the same ;)
Nuff respect to the originator Busy Bee, but Kool Mo Dee killed that shit. I think it should be mandatory for the newjacks coming up these days to listen to this. They need to know their history and see where it all came from.
Kool Moe Dee....The Created speed rap with the treacherous 3....Then after that it became tongue twisting...ie.. Twista....To what these new jacks do today...Know the history !
удивительно, если бы не скиллз я бы никогда не узнала о настолько важном моменте истории музыки
не думал, что девушкам интересен хип-хоп
@@timurpavlov5659 не думала что фанатам хип-хопа интересны девушки
Ta je huinya, bratan
Blya, tochnee sestra
@@hinkali_v_chetverg поэтому у тебя 2 отца
Тоже от скиллза пришел
This is so incredibly iconic. We're literally listening to the ushering in of a new age in Hip Hop. Busy Bee literally didn't know what hit him at all. Kool Moe Dee was young and ferocious in this battle. In the late 70s there were a group of kids that were ready to get the shouting chants era of Hip Hop the fuck outta here and get down on some serious wordplay. Amazing piece of American history.
It is rare when you can pinpoint an exact moment a shift like this happens. To have it recorded and to hear it actually happen is wild.
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Pensé que era el único jaja
Quiero ver el primer tongo de la historia :y
@@coquitopro1234 pero fue en la otra batalla de fantastic five
Aquí estamos 🙌 y seguiremos
yes
9:58 is where I realized for the first time I questioned who really pioneered the rhyme pattern. Don't get me wrong, Rakim and Kool G Rap who are truly the best to ever do it changed the way rappers rapped later on. But we can't ignore what Kool Moe Dee did in 1981. Again, this was 1981!! and he had a rhyme pattern that even the crowd was stunned and didn't know how to react to because they had never heard something like that. No, he's not the best-selling rapper or a household name, but I think Kool Moe Dee deserves his flowers!
Facts
hes one of the best rappers in general i dont care about record sells etc etc
That’s crazy I listened to Starski then skipped ahead to when Kool Moe Dee started rapping I thought it was a different event
I've told people for years! I had this tape when I was young, we all did. That's where the 2,3 word combinations back to back came from, Cool Moe Dee. Be fore, it was a longer space beteen ryhming words. What else I remeber from that time, I was 11-12, Spoonie G was a lyrical God. You hear Moe Dee mention him in this rhyme against Busy B. I still vividly remember how Spoonie's pattern were coopted also. Go listen to his songs on TH-cam now. The early rappers never really gave him credit. I've never seen him at Awards Shows or none of that. But I remeber, Spoonie G wasn't a game. TLA Rock either RIP, he died early, 1985
Classic battle! I was at Harlem World this night...Moe D changed the way emcees battled after this joint!
I feel this battle changed everything. Hip hop began to sound different soon after this.
Ты же тоже тут от Скиллза?)
Да
Угу
Действительно, Kool Moe Dee навалил душевно 🙂
да и бизи би совсем неплох, учитывая что это начало 80ых
Разъебал. С 9:50 вообще пиздец
Согласен
@@hinkali_v_chetvergничего, кроме «не вижу ваши ручки, повторяем за мной» он не выдал
@@FunkAddict ну а в то время кроме "ребят я говорю йо вы говорите йе" особо ничего и не было. для ТОГО времени это был вполне хороший парт (но вообще с оппонентом несравнимо)
Whoever restored this has studio skills!
It’s so seldom you get to hear a paradigm shift fucking live as it was happening. It’s wild. Almost haunting. Busy Bee didn’t just bring a knife to a gun fight. It’s more like no one knew what a gun fight was yet, and then KMD walked in with an uzi.
I love how this audio was preserved all through these years man..this is the turning point of MCing
Best part is when Kool Moe Dee speeds up and you can hear the host go "oh shit!"
As soon as Kool Moe Dee rapped at 9:52 the old walls crumbled, and a new era existed. You feel it’s power in your bones
The Treacherous Three. Incredible.
And they did that in one take!
The rhythmic scratches when they sped up is flawless. Who ever saw that in real time was a part of history and didn’t even realize it at the time. Shout out also to Busy Bee Starski.
9:58 10:07 and 10:34 while the rest is years ahead, these are the part where he gets several decades ahead of the state of the art
I was at that battle, Greatest moment, historic, legendary , best times for hip hop, the start of the map that lead to today's music and battles, made you realize, NEVER bring a MC to a RAP battle.
You old as hell nicca
Damn wish someone got footage of the show you lucky
Would u mind if I interview you for my podcast about it?
That’s DOPE !
Bro this is damn near unbelievable for 1981 freestyling at the end. We need these type of rappers today. Way ahead of his time
I spoke to a reputable historian (Jay Quan) about this battle. He spoke to Moe Dee about this battle, and it was said that Moe Dee regretted how he came at Busy Bee because he felt like he ambushed him.
Of course, I understand that prior to this battle, the "old" way of competing was each act getting on stage and performing one at a time (without dissing each other), and the crowd ultimately decided who won.
In the true sense of battling (at that time), technically Moe Dee went against the grain, so I can understand him feeling bad about what he did to Busy Bee.
What Moe Dee did could probably better be described as "snapping" or "roasting." Still, he brought a new element to battle rap that is still utilized nearly 40 years later.
But in my personal opinion, I don't have a problem with what Moe Dee did. In a battle, the goal is to win, and sometimes, you may have to do something unconventional to gain a competitive advantage over your opponent.
suaved wow! That’s so cool to know! Thanks! Yo did you trip out when he was saying “ chill out chill out, chil chil chil out” at the end!!? Yo!! He literally did what djs do when they sample someone’s vocals! He was trying to do the scratch effect with it!! Yo!!!!
Peace to JayQuan. The greatest Hip Hop historian/scholar in the world.
He only felt bad so far as he knew that this was a new style of battling. It was his confidence. This Christmas Rappers Conventiom at Harlem World goes on for weeks, KMD was going around telling people to watch how he was going to floor Busy Bee. That's coming from Chuck D.
Now in the early 90's he would have destroyed both Tupac,Biggie Smalls.
Also Ice Cube easily.
The only problems he will have is against Mellie Mel of Furious Five, and of course a tight battle will be against KRS-1 this very day Live on stage.
A few years later Busy Bee nearly could not handle a young teenage girl by the name of Roxanne Shante which wasn't a easy victory at all in front of judges such as Red Alert.
Actually back in the 1980s at the Rooftop skating rink in Harlem I witness Big Daddy Kane destroy some want to be who never made it with dissing rhyme off the top of his head,and ended it by tossing a subway token at that individual.
That's true. I remember Jayquan posting a comment from the ORIGINAL NY Tape Man Troy Smith where he commented that Busy Bee was caught off guard in Busy Bee's defense. Kool Moe Dee did come HARD though. Much like reggae, many of the 70's MC's could not adapt to the newer style. People had lyrics in the 80's, no more cocaine fueled Disco chat.
Whomever is puttin up this Tape Deck Wreck should be paid for it. Important history that we never would’ve seen on the TV is what was on those tapes.
7:03 where the rap of Moe dee begins
On that night Moe Dee effectively ended the era of the hype man MC .....and doesn’t get the credit he deserves
9:58 Kool Moe Dee is Down By Law spitting fire lyrics called breath control!!!! Nobody else did it better only KMD!
Murdered that shyt
Imagine being in the crowd. This was unheard of
Nearly a decade later he took LLCoolJ out with singles on wax
For one that song how you like me now.
@@boogiedownnyc Something supernatural and unreal im sure
I can't believe its been almost 50 years since this event. I hung out at Harlem World frequently and I had this tape as well. Crazy because I remember listening to this tape and dancing with Sandy D in my room. She was in highschool then and later on would become one of hip hops iconic female rappers. Peppa from Salt and Peppa.
It’s weird how Wikipedia doesn’t even know her birth year. It says “1964 or 1969”
1981
It can't be that this one and the Cold Crush are the only two tapes to see the light of day. Still looking for that clip where the DJ was playing "bohemian Rhapsody", and the MC yelled: "Turn that shit off, man!…"
My boy had this back in early 82, we played the hell out of this track. HIP HOP HISTORY!
Кто от Скиллза, ставь класс
This is ground zero. The moment that changed everything.
Damn! This is as CLASSIC as it can get. You have to have been old enough, in the hip hop game as a performer or fan to even comprehend this. I remember it well. Moe Dee made his move to get that acclaimed “Mc. Battle King” of that era.
Kool Moe Dee даже сейчас свежо звучит .Особенно как он под скречинг ,фрестайл заебашл
Пацаны, кто от Скиллза?)
все на месте спортсмены
Classic battle , COOL MOE DEE changed the game after this
Kool...not Cool.
Holy damn this is clear. I remade the beat, maybe i'll use this for vocals instead of what ive already got
@Joe Mama Treacherous Three - Heartbeat
Kool Moe Dee killed it. I still know this rap by heart!!
Broski...... i was at this jam ... darn. bro... you made be go so back in time..
You were there when hip hop changed forever? It all started sounding different after this.
@@galept Hip Hop started to change when RUN DMC got popular over the addida's lucky brake.. as you will notice their beats are not use in any dubbing or remake of any hip hop rapping. The west coast did take Sponnie Gee's beat and ganster style, west cost hated Run DMC, Then after RUN DMC the following generation started to monetized from hip hop, even tried coming out with own beat and drug dealer style nothing to do with hip hop cuture that only deterriorated HipHop such as MIGOS did, then recording studios got involved and when natural talent dried out, they started inventing technogy to alterate voice over and pattern beats.. just look at Fake Drake, a candian who is not a Hip Hop orgina,l just some rich kid sponsored by family, similar case of a Vanilla ice and Milli Vanilli, sugar hill gang.
My brother bought this tape home when I was a grasshopper
facts I'm 57 today rember this like yesterday enjoy enjoyvBronx Love 183
9:55 it’s nothing but the epitaph for the late party rap, that was passing away at that very moment
1st real battle ever, CLASSIC
Кто с канала Скиллз впервые узнал об этом?
This shit is DOPE to look back on this is legendary FRFR!
Aquí estoy . Desde Panamá aprovechando la cuarenta para saber más de lo q me encnta. (Love rap)
Imagine bodying some dude and still losing the trophy due to everyone not knowing what the fuck just down
Thank You so much not just for me but all that follow....for uploading this... another copy of the beginning forever here to be found by those looking #salute
Can I dub this I'll bring it back to school in the morning I promise 🤣🤣🤣
Who else told this lie 🙋🏾♂️
Quien esta aqui por HBD!!!
Moe Dee had me putting him back in my top 10 all time
You KNOW its sick when you alone on ya bed swinging ya fist in the air!!!
I just referenced this marical night to a friend regarding the beginning of Batlle Rap...miss those days and Harlem World. The Golden Age of Hip Hop!
спасибо скиллз за такой подгон, с 9:58 валит как пулемёт
Alguien que haga una traducción en español?
Like si vienes por HBD.
Rifatela
Hablo Espanol. Yo tengo milles de shows y cassetes de los 70s y 80s. Como me comunico con la gente de HBD?
@@TapeDeckWreck HBD ES un canal del TH-cam en español, puedo ayudarte a comunicarte con el por Instagram
@@TapeDeckWreck Buscalo en YT como Detodoyrap
I only know about this because of the beasties, so after decades of wanting to hear this, high AF, I think to myself , I bet that’s on TH-cam and sure enough... I’m floored, this sounds amazing and KMD is vicious on the mic, like, I had no idea it was gonna be that sick.
Flow so ahead of it's time
I got this repeat for the new year 1981 to 2022 peace to the gods HARLEM
This is seriously cool. Now I know the history of the rap battle. I actually participated in one last year. Made it to fourth place out of eight battlers
I was stationed in Ft. Riley Kanas when they this at Harlem World, when I came home to the Bronx and got the tape I popped it I played it do much
I remember when the treacherous 3 came to the valley in haffen park up in the north east Bronx in 1982. It was 🔥
Classic ...love both styles
под конец всё сразу и видно
This is incredible
LA Sunshine was a crazy hype man on this one of the first besides JDL of Cold Crush
Before the music industry ruined Hiphop.Priceless🙌🏾✊🏿👏🏿
MIND BLOWN IN 2020 AT 9:58
Yooooo I went so crazy!!! I wish I was there to see how everyone reacted.
esta batalla tiene mejor audio que fms mexico :v
Si mejor q la fms mexico v:
Hablo Espanol. Yo tengo milles de shows y cassetes de los 70s y 80s. Como me comunico con la gente de HBD?
@@TapeDeckWreck Instagram pa !...
At 9:58 They should have scratched through the whole part like that part in
ATCQ Stir it up/Steve Biko
when Qtip said something about "opinions are like voices... we all have a different kind..."
Kool mo dee is the fist fast rapper before bone thugs and twista! #Facts!
Got an A from Moe Dee for sticking to themes
Beasties sampled this on multiple songs
like los que vengan por HBD
y sus 2 millones de sus
Hablo Espanol. Yo tengo milles de shows y cassetes de los 70s y 80s. Como me comunico con la gente de HBD?
@@TapeDeckWreck y es que hbd es alguien que comparte mucho de del rap, en todo su género. En una oportunidad hizo un vídeo donde hablaba de la primera batalla de rap. Es por eso que muchos lo mencionan en tu vídeo. Saludos.
th-cam.com/video/WpSS2QsYn9I/w-d-xo.html
@@johnpaulofontenlaguzman441 Mucho respecto por el apollo. Voy a comunicarme. gracias. aver si asi podiamos hacer mas cosas
@@TapeDeckWreck i'm happy to have helped.
would be cooler if that video showed the tape reel rolling;)
Kool Moe Dee killed it 🧟♂️🔥
Damn memories 1981
9:58 from this moment my jaw had crushed a floor
I remember recording this from a NYU radio show 3am in bed under the covers with my dual cassette radio a flashlight and headphones I
Hello
Hello
What up
@@srkooper5456 what up
кто от Скиллза?
HBD
*_QOTD (Question Of The Day):_* Did Harlem World become a National Landmark yet?
One of the legendary battles.Moe killed him.Love this classic shit.
Sounded like a frickin machine gun.
40 years old tonight
Kool Moe Dee is a genius
Tla rock and special k my og’s I remember this like yesterday
I was 8 when that came out and that was the best rap I've ever heard.
This man rocked the crowd and busy bee starski 😂😂😂😂😂😂💯🔥🔥
I was listening to "Root Down" Beastie Boys and Mike D name checks this battle in his verse, that's how I came here. D's got a great verse in that song. Glad I came, the party after this battle was not the same ;)
спасибо скиллзу, получается
Hip hop don't stop
Those rdk 90 minute tapes were the best to record on.
he hit busy with like 348 bars.
Mo Deee “if you where money you would be counterfeit. “ beetcchhhhh
6:26
HipHop in most Organic form🎙💯🔥💎
Nuff respect to the originator Busy Bee, but Kool Mo Dee killed that shit. I think it should be mandatory for the newjacks coming up these days to listen to this. They need to know their history and see where it all came from.
Like y escucha mis temas si vienes por HBD jajajaj :v
No escucho tus temas pero vengo de hbd
X2
xd verdad queria escuchar esto
@@timydepana7539 x2
Кайф, респект скиллзу))
Lo sé bro, vienes por hbd
Hablo Espanol. Yo tengo milles de shows y cassetes de los 70s y 80s. Como me comunico con la gente de HBD?
Kool Moe Dee....The Created speed rap with the treacherous 3....Then after that it became tongue twisting...ie.. Twista....To what these new jacks do today...Know the history !
Busy basically warmed up the mic for him 🤣
Quien viene por. HBD x1
Man KOOL MOE DEE gave him 300 bars 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
"Koo Moe Dee vs. Busy Bee, that's one you should know"
Usenme como Botón representador de HBD.
Arriba el Freestyle Latino...!!!!
Hay gran video
HBD 🔥
Fua gracias a HBD escucho esta joyita
Hablo Espanol. Yo tengo milles de shows y cassetes de los 70s y 80s. Como me comunico con la gente de HBD?
@@TapeDeckWreck hbd.detodoyrap@gmail.com
Скиллз, я тебя люблю