VW ID3 55 & 62 kWh charging after 120 kW update
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You know you reached "Dadhood" when Bjørn sounds like a sports commentator and you're enjoying watching car batteries charge.
Thanks Bjorn, keep the videos coming…’Like a Boss !’ 😄
The advantage of higher charging speeds seems to be only up to 29% SOC maximum. Afterwards it is the same charging curve as before. Negligible time difference when you charge up to 80%. Both take 34minutes. To me it's disappointing.
VW wants to get the PR… But ist is an nice to see that they can change the BMS with OTA Updates in comparison with older models…
There's probably no underlying change to the battery. It just means that you can do a quick 30% charge if that's all you actually need.
Currently they cannot do this via OTA.
Thanks for doing this - your work is a great reference.
Nice to see the affordable ev’s starting to have decent charging curves. Once again good information to help the public understand some of the marketing vs real world. 👍👍
Yeah but the Tesla SR+ LFP is charging 10-80% in 25 min and the ID3 here needs 34-35min… pretty big difference…
The "small battery" ID.3 with that charging would be a nice upgrade for my VW e-Golf.
The only option is to sell the e-Golf, which is a decent daily commuter, but nothing more, and replace it with the VW ID.3 with the battery you choose.
Even the small one is surprisingly good, but that's because the battery is software-limited to a smaller capacity, but it actually charges like a 55 kWh battery - not much smaller than the 62 kWh medium-sized brother. Ideally making 120-140 km hops between HPC chargers while charging to 70% or maybe 80% in 20-25 minutes can make it a decent car for road trips too. The same is (of course) also valid for the Citroen e-C4.
Look at the results of this test:
th-cam.com/video/xSWAuMxrfdw/w-d-xo.html
Place your bets...The ID3's have all settled into the charging gates...and they're off! Bjorn, you called a great race!
As always, good information.
Thank you👍🏻🇸🇪
The max allowed charging speed in ID.3/ID.4 can be read with obd2 dongle even before you reach a CCS charger, without connecting charging cable. Car Scanner ElmObd2 app shows Dynamic limit for charging and discharging (in amps).
I think if more of us travell in year between 10-15 000 km, the small baterry is much beter. I'm from Bulgaria, our distance form Sofia-Varna ( sea) is 400km. This is one of the most longer roads. For me is not need a big battery if the small is charged much faster. If i travell long distance, i stoped after 2 hour to coffe and toalet. And this is good time to charge for 15-20 minets and go to the end. With 90/110 km/h i think the small batery is great
Great Video!
BTW: We need a interview with the UX designer of those charging screens.
The improvement is not so impressive. The Update from PSA was better.
Bigger improvement for Citroen and PSA cars overall, all of them are good affordable cars. Citroen more comfort and unique design inside and out.
if I am not wrong MEB platform adopts LG chem cells with 3,65V and 78Ah, each module contains 24 cells, thus the following configurations should be possible:
7 packs = 48kWh gross capacity -> advertised as 45 kWh net capacity (only on Id.3)
8 packs = 55kWh gross capacity -> advertised as 52 kWh net capacity (only on Id.4)
9 packs = 62kWh gross capacity -> advertised as 58 kWh net capacity (only on Id.3)
12 packs =82kWh gross capacity -> advertised as 77 kWh net capacity(on Id.3&Id.4)
why are you talking about and Id.3 with 55kWh?...it should be only for Id.4
Excellent thanks. The 45kWh net is very good
Hej Björn,
Kommer den uppdaterade laddningen att komma till den "gamla" id3 också?
Was a bit underwhelming to me. Shows that the capability to hold the max charge speed for a longer time is way more effective than upping the max charge speed by a little bit. This video did make me happy though, I have an ID3 first plus and was feeling like I missed out on a big improvement which is not the case.
The 56 kWh ID.3 has 9 MEB modules each 7 kWh brut 6.5 kWh Net (approx). The 45 kWh ID.3 has 7 modules so closer to a 45/48 kWh NOT 55 !
In Italy the smaller size battery ID3 is sold with 50kW maximum DC charging speed with no upgrade option. It also happens elsewhere?
When you configure your id.3, Under comfort menu, you can select DC charger maximum power (695€)
new is only a little faster in that under 30% area. then it throttles down to the same as old.
some progress, but not really any difference at all is it.
Need to go weigh every one of the ID3's to see if there is any weight difference for the size of battery. are they all 57 kWh and be set different in there electronics for the size that you bought.
Please can you confirm if this video shows a genuine charging sessions using real cars or is this demo a simulation? Dealer that sold us our ID.3 says this video is a simulation because you mentioned something about simulation towards the end of video but I think you were talking about something else.
Well let's look at the plain results for the new vs. the old one. Obv. having a bit more capacity is great, but chargingwise let's see...
10 mins: new one has ~1.9kwh charged more, which translates to ~ 9-14 km of extra range (90 vs 120km/h efficiency from Björns tests for those values).
It's not much but might actually help, then again the old one only charges 1 minute longer to get the same.
20 mins: Actually the newer has now dropped it's lead, only 1.5kwh more in the battery, which again translate to saving ~ 1 minute compared to the old one.
30 mins: ~1,3kwh more, this would be ~ 6-9 km extra range charged in the same time now. It does take nearly 2 minutes for the old one to catch up though.
Both then hit 80% at around 34 minutes, having recharged 210-320 (new) and 205-311 (old) km of range.
So after 34 minutes the difference in range when driving 120 km/h is only 5 km.. And if we would charge from 20-80% instead of 10-80% the new charging curve is arguably worse, because most of the lead the newer version had was because of the charging from 10-20% (~ 1.5 kwh lead).. I think the new charging curve is really only good if you drive the car below 10% and don't charge up to 80%, maybe only 60% and then go. Otherwise the old one could even be better...
Not sure what to think about it, this seems more like an advertisement stunt than an actual improvement.
As others already mentioned in the comments, they want to have that "charging with up to 130kwh" to advertise the car, when pretty much nothing changed for the customers.
Then again I didn't have too high expecations and 1% increase in range at every charging stop+ a bit more capacity is still better than nothing :D
It's like how ISP's give people a short download boost initially but only for a short time.
5:03 Nonsense! Power at charging station is available for identical scalable charging speeds, but the larger battery version of the same car has poor charge profile. Why? Is it because thermal management is insufficient? ID3 120kW update is disappointing...
🙏❤️
Looks like VW just changed the charging curve below 30% SoC, above that the charging curve looks almost the same as before...
Sorry but I didn't understand. Why did you talk about 55 and 62 kwh?! In the official website id3 has 45, 58 and 77 kwh. Could you please explain?
Those are the actual capacities of the battery. But since these kinds of batteries take damage if deeply discharged for extended periods and also don't like to sit at 100%, consumers don't get control over the full range of the battery and the numbers VW quote are the *available capacity* numbers. Actual capacity is only relevant if you're nerding out. I'm guessing he mentioned them because it can clue you in to how responsible it is for VW to charge 30kW at 99%. If there was only a small buffer, then it might be a bad design. But if you don't want to make those speculations, available capacity is all you need to care about, I think.
@@Muskar2 uhm... in my opinion he mentioned the REAL capacity instead of AVAIABLE, for compare data with competitors. In fact (if I do not wrong) Tesla declare the total capacity, not the avaiable. Did he test the medium range or the entry level id3 in the last video (1000 km, 55 kwh)?
@@andreaaiello7561 I'm pretty sure Tesla no longer officially declare capacity since 2019
@@Muskar2 ok,but I'm not
sure to have understood which versions Björn tested.
@@andreaaiello7561 45 and 58 - he said that at 0:17
I ordered the ID.3 Tour 5 last week in April, still no sign of it!!! absolutely shocking!!!
Anyway, my 2017 94 Ah BMW i3 has a much better charging curve!
Has the 82 Kwh got this update for faster charging because as far as I remember that tops out at 120 Kw it would be rather stupid to now have a situation where the largest battery car would have less max power.
But either way that charging curve on both ID cars is shameful in 2021.
There really isn't any certain 100% point though. It depends on how much the battery is pushed. Like for a normal 3,7V nominal cell some could consider 4,15V to be 100%, but it could also be seen to be 4,20V, 4,25V or even 4,30V.
I thought the C4 208 etc had 45KW usable why is this shown as 41KW?
I think it's what Bjorn measured in his tests. You can see the same thing for ID.3's, their usable capacity is quoted at 58 kWh and 45 kWh.
*kWh
@@Vercixx so where has the has 4KWh disappeared, bloody battery is small
enough as it is 🤣
@@RedBatteryHead Are you saying they have added a further top
end buffer so now the nett is a miserly 41 kWh!
@@RedBatteryHead in which case they can revert back I need those 4kWh!
I read somewhere that if the charger has the most potential the VW can gain 200km in 10 minutes... Is that possible?
No
Probably fat E-tron and all 800V battery VAG cars can do it…
Just do the maths. 200km x 0.17 kWh/km (highway consumption estimate) = 34 kWh, and you want that in 10min. So x6 to get an hour = 204kW average charging speed needed for that claim (204kWh/h= 204kW).
But for slow roads, you'd get maybe 0.13 kWh/km, then you'd only need 156kW charging speed. Almost possible when the battery was near empty, but those charging speeds can't be sustained for 26kWh or "200km" (or let's say up to 50%).
So: "no" is the correct answer 😁
@@Psi-Storm Fun story… I own an E-Tron Sportback 55. On the highway with 100km/h. I can average 20-21KWh/100km. With Airco on Eco and suspension on comfort. 20 degrees with little wind.
Only e c4 is a comfort car for me only my opinion
anything on the mercedes eqs 450+?
I'll be the first to watch 1000 km and range test video for that
Please do ID 3 57 kWh (new) vs Tesla Model 3 SR+
It made almost no difference, you gain maybe 20km of range faster then before...
We’ll take every gain we can get!
Ok. So for most practical purposes it's just a marketing upgrade. 😒
Take theas numbers with a grain of salt.
How to say Bjørn
Byurn
If VW asks money for this upgrade at buying car as additional spec. option, is not worth to gain couple minutes at the begining
It's a free update for all 58 kWh IDs
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