It’s mental that Britain was fighting 2 big wars at once on against a short Frenchie and his mustache guard and one against America and there baldy eagles
I mean, all we did was mainly bobbed around the sea most of the war. While we had an army in Spain it’s was more of a annoyance for the French in the war, the other European powers handled them (eventually). And the 1812 war that was majority handled by the Canadians with some Royal Navy ships (not that they did anything of note) Aside from one or two notable engagements in the time period, I would argue we where more Junior partners in what what the very complex political situation at the time.
Random tidbits The battle of New Orleans is often mistaken as happening after the war. The Treaty of Ghent was signed, but not ratified by the US. The battle that did happen after the ratification was the battle of the sink hole, where British allied natives had not been told about the treaty. The US army at the battle was incredibly mixed. There was regular soldiers, Marines, Choctaw, militia from multiple states, french/spanish creoles, Hatians (who escaped the Hatian revolution), pirates, etc. Orders needed to be translated in 5 languages. The New Orleans militia was Jean Baptiste Plauche's Battalion d'Orleans. Their uniforms were French in design, though it's not concrete that they all had bearskins (we do know they at least had some, though). Pakenham's forces were not exactly high on morale by the time of the battle as gunboat harassment, night raids, and the environment itself (of which several men had drown in the swamps) had taken a toll. Most the British casualties were by the artillery, not musket fire. On that note: the cotton bales were actually to keep the US artillery from sinking into the ground.
"The treaty was signed in Ghent on December 24, 1814, and was soon approved by the British Parliament, but it took six weeks for the news to travel by sea to the United States. On January 8, 1815, unaware of the Ghent agreement, American forces commanded by General Andrew Jackson defeated the British at the Battle of New Orleans. [...] Because the Battle of New Orleans took place after the peace treaty had been negotiated, that battle has sometimes been dismissed as inconsequential."
Edward Pakenham: Why do I hear Boss Music Andrew Jackson: *Cranks up the Doomguy theme*
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It has been a long time since they sent you a replay of a perfect linear battle, as shown in this video, at times it seemed like a real confrontation, because the coordination was such that instead of a 4 vs 4, it seemed like a 1 vs 1 and it was enjoyable. XD
Johnny Horton did a number of really good ballads, another good one is sink the Bismarck, an north to Alaska is great. I’ve been a big Johnny Horton fan since I was young. Great video Apollo love what you do brother
Pixiepoo, Roll tide comes from the crimson uniforms our football team wears. An espn announcer said they looked like a Crimson Tide, which stuck and led to Roll Tide
As soon as I saw the notification for thos vodeo earlier today the guitar intro to the song started playing in my head and the song. LOL! I'm going to share this to a gaming/anime discord server I'm in and tag my British friend in it.
Hi, I am a napoleonic enjoyer and have NTW3, I have some friends where I can do 1v1s with but I don't have enough to do big and epic battles like these. Where can I find like a group or discord to join these epic battles?
Another rule should've been that the southern side of the American line is a river and cannot be used for flanking except for a single British battery on the other side of the river that did historically happen. The American ranks could not be outflanked from the south unless they hopped on boats and sailed by which was a plan but did not happen.
Too bad America was tied down in America otherwise we could’ve potentially taken the fight to England with Napoleon if we had the naval capability of both empires
I doubt it. While the United States favored France, they disliked Napoleon (that said, they disliked the British Empire and their monarchical allies even more). The US did not want to see France fall because it would potentially mean the end of republicanism in Europe, but they had no real love in their hearts for France falling under imperial rule under Napoleon. At one point, President Madison considered declaring war on both France and England at the same time even.
@wyattjenkins7898 - I doubt it. As you already mentioned the US did not have a navy capable of beating/eclipsing (with Napoleon) the Royal Navy. On land, the US were beaten back in nearly every decisive battle except in rare circumstances such as New Orleans.
@@Chris-pi5vvIt would be incorrect to say that the US was beaten in nearly every battle. Most yes, but in the last half of the War of 1812, the US army had found its footing and more competent generalship and was able to beat the British army routinely.
@@haswordmaster1497 - The US army were pushed back into its own territory. To put this bluntly, the War of 1812 was a minor part of the Napoleonic Wars. The US Office of the Historian- although retired now- state this: "The Napoleonic Wars marked a period of U.S. weakness in the face of British power." history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/napoleonic-wars
i'm going to resist the urge to rant about how we won this war and that this battle was pointless as the war was over when it happened and just settle for being happy that the conflict is mentioned and proudly announce that the uniforms you thought looked cool at 7:14 were my own home boys, the incorporated militia of upper canada. oh, and encourage you to look up the song about queenston heights.
Well, I can certainly see why Canadians believe they won the war. Americans make the same claim. The reason for this, I believe, is because the United States, Canada, UK, and the Native Americans all had different goals in mind. I've broken it down like this: Canada: The only true winner. Their goal was to keep the United States out of Canada and they managed that. United States: Won the morale victory. While nothing was officially settled by the war on paper, the British were forced to accept America's demands in an unofficial capacity and the United States knew it. The British: Did not lose. The British army conducted itself very well during the War of 1812. It was enough to save face. The British would end up not conceding anything officially, but they failed embarrassingly to subjugate the United States and to punish her. The Native Americans: The only true losers of the War of 1812. With the death of Tecumseh, any dream of an Indian Confederacy died with him at the Battle of Thames. His legacy would leave a bad taste in America's mouth for Native Americans for a while. (I'm not going to go through the particulars, but Tecumseh was not a really great individual like he is typically cracked up to be.)
Noone won the war it was a stalemate. The US didn't conquer Canada, large parts of Washington was burnt to the ground and the British could no longer bully the US and kidnap US sea men. Noone really gained their objectives
The thing a lot of people don't know about the war of 1812 is that it was fought entirely by the South, the North didn't help fight off an invasion of their own country. New England supported you guessed it, England, and the South supported the French. The country was already hugely divided even before the Civil War.
Just for clarity, when you say South you are meaning what they would have considered both the South AND the Western states. A very important distinction. It would be ill-advised to connect this division you speak of to the Civil War. Remember, after the fall of the Federalist Party after the Hartford Convention embarrassment, the United States went through what was known as the Era of Good Feelings: pretty much the only time in American history where we had a uni-party system. Everyone was united, but only for a while. Eventually this one party--the Democratic-Republican Party--would find itself splitting up. Jackson's followers would start calling themselves Democrats. Followers of Clay and Webster would become the Whigs who would reform into the Free Soilers, and finally the Republican Party (the anti-slave party which was so named as a call back to the party of Jefferson and Madison.) These new differences over the exact nature of state and federal sovereignty, tariffs, and slavery would lead to the Civil War.
@@haswordmaster1497 Sure, some miltias in the western territories fought too, my point was that New England did not fight. New England supported a strong central government with an alliance to the British and the South supported a smaller government with an alliance to the French. New England had low support throughout the war and no wanted to join up to fight the British, banks from New England refused to even finance the war. There was tension before the Civil War, New England was not only blocking administration efforts to finance the war but there was fear of New England discussing a seperate peace with Britain, which would have meant secession, which is why Madison had to send federal troops to Albany New York just in case he needed to crush a New England rebellion. It's fine, not many people know about this, it's fine, I know, I'm a smart ass, just thought I'd share a fun fact from history; that's all.
If you are talking about New Orleans, kind of. Jackson's army did have Hatian revolution refugees (which would make up the Free Men of Colour) in the massive mix. The 4th rifles also had their depots in Pennsylvania and New York. If you are saying the War of 1812 as a whole? That is false. Incredibly false. 5th, 6th, 16th, and 22nd Infantry = Pennsylvania 4th infantry = New Hampshire 9th and 21st = Massachusetts 1st and 15th = New Jersey etc, etc. And that's not to mention the volunteers, Volunteers, or militia (such as the Pittsburgh "Blues", Maryland militia, Vermont at Plattsburgh, etc.)
@@samtheman9002 I already knew all those details. In addition, if the British in Canada wanted any intelligence on the American armed forces, they would simply read New England newspapers which knowingly would leak information to them. My point was that the differences that led to the Civil War was of a different nature (though it had its origins at this time as you mentioned). It just seems a bit of a stretch to make a direct correlation between the differences then and the differences 50 years later which would evolve. After all, the northern states were actively talking about secession during the War of 1812, and they would come to deny that it was even possible to secede only a few decades later (which would always be a point of embarrassment for the Union). That said, I may have overstated my own case. There always was tension between the northern and southern states. This is something that Madison pointed out during the Constitutional Convention when the small states were concerned that the larger states would try to edge them out through popular representation in both the House and Senate. Madison declared that the there was absolutely no reason for states like Virginia, New York, and Massachusetts to ally with each other because they rarely agreed on anything. He even went so far as to say that the real division in the country would be northern versus southern, slave states versus non slave states. So, I guess you're right in that sense.
We fired our guns and the British kept comin there wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago we fired once more and they Bagan to running on down the Mississippi to the gulf of mexico.
It’s mental that Britain was fighting 2 big wars at once on against a short Frenchie and his mustache guard and one against America and there baldy eagles
Its even crazier that they were managing so many colonies and maintaining control
I mean, all we did was mainly bobbed around the sea most of the war.
While we had an army in Spain it’s was more of a annoyance for the French in the war, the other European powers handled them (eventually).
And the 1812 war that was majority handled by the Canadians with some Royal Navy ships (not that they did anything of note)
Aside from one or two notable engagements in the time period, I would argue we where more Junior partners in what what the very complex political situation at the time.
Napoleon wasn't short, he was a normal height for his time, it was British propaganda that made everyone think he's short.
Well I’m from the uk and Ik all of that it’s still mental that they held colony’s had 2 wars going on aswell
@@MundusMeus974I think he was just joking
This mod is missing the historically accurate alligator cannon, hopefully they’ll add it in a future update
It had something to do with the gator cannon's AI erroring out after firing the first shot.
@markh995 the gator died after the first shot, so uh yeah kinda makes sense.
That was one of the most fun battles ive had in a while, thanks for covering this apollo!
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Random tidbits
The battle of New Orleans is often mistaken as happening after the war. The Treaty of Ghent was signed, but not ratified by the US. The battle that did happen after the ratification was the battle of the sink hole, where British allied natives had not been told about the treaty.
The US army at the battle was incredibly mixed. There was regular soldiers, Marines, Choctaw, militia from multiple states, french/spanish creoles, Hatians (who escaped the Hatian revolution), pirates, etc. Orders needed to be translated in 5 languages.
The New Orleans militia was Jean Baptiste Plauche's Battalion d'Orleans. Their uniforms were French in design, though it's not concrete that they all had bearskins (we do know they at least had some, though).
Pakenham's forces were not exactly high on morale by the time of the battle as gunboat harassment, night raids, and the environment itself (of which several men had drown in the swamps) had taken a toll.
Most the British casualties were by the artillery, not musket fire. On that note: the cotton bales were actually to keep the US artillery from sinking into the ground.
"The treaty was signed in Ghent on December 24, 1814, and was soon approved by the British Parliament, but it took six weeks for the news to travel by sea to the United States. On January 8, 1815, unaware of the Ghent agreement, American forces commanded by General Andrew Jackson defeated the British at the Battle of New Orleans. [...] Because the Battle of New Orleans took place after the peace treaty had been negotiated, that battle has sometimes been dismissed as inconsequential."
every time i see u play napoleon , it reminds me of the custom uniform battle u had with jackie fish. so cool
Edward Pakenham: Why do I hear Boss Music
Andrew Jackson: *Cranks up the Doomguy theme*
It has been a long time since they sent you a replay of a perfect linear battle, as shown in this video, at times it seemed like a real confrontation, because the coordination was such that instead of a 4 vs 4, it seemed like a 1 vs 1 and it was enjoyable. XD
What funny timing. I'm going to New Orleans for the first time on Wednesday.
Johnny Horton did a number of really good ballads, another good one is sink the Bismarck, an north to Alaska is great. I’ve been a big Johnny Horton fan since I was young. Great video Apollo love what you do brother
Pixiepoo, Roll tide comes from the crimson uniforms our football team wears. An espn announcer said they looked like a Crimson Tide, which stuck and led to Roll Tide
Ah the smell of gunpowder in the morning
Knew apollo wouldn't be able to resist this replay,
I was the american force on the far left
35:04 eww
*Apollo trying really hard not to get cancelled*
French buccaneers assisted in the defense of New Orleans. In reality there should be a lack of uniformity in the American ranks
The grudge match continues 🇬🇧🇺🇸
this battle was so fun it was harder for us though cause we had no melee troops
I love to go back to your channel after months of not even really using TH-cam.
2:18 life of a solider!!
that officer was ready to get some scalps (no offence meant he just looked so cool with that tomahawk)
Let the lightning eye native be in a "life as a soldier" !!!
Doing my part for the algorithm
Totally real historical fact: New Orleans was founded by New Joan of Arc whom the Brits couldn't kill cause magical girls are immortal.
Glad to see you back with NTW3 content Apollo. 🇫🇷
I'm Canadian and for some reason, I know the lyrics to the song.
The intro was 🔥
@Apollo Ben battle was a soldier born and used to wars alarm. Till a cannonball took off his leg so he laid down his arms.
Fun fact, this battle actually took place after a peace treaties had been signed.
there's so many awesome looking uniforms in this time period a top 10 wouldn't cover enough lmao. There's too many good ones
I appreciate the Johnny Horton reference
As soon as I saw the notification for thos vodeo earlier today the guitar intro to the song started playing in my head and the song. LOL!
I'm going to share this to a gaming/anime discord server I'm in and tag my British friend in it.
British use feet and miles.
Beautiful intro..really enjoyed this one
Hi, I am a napoleonic enjoyer and have NTW3, I have some friends where I can do 1v1s with but I don't have enough to do big and epic battles like these.
Where can I find like a group or discord to join these epic battles?
God bless you, Apollo!
More Napoleonic warfare! Keep em coming!
Pope John did Battle of Fort Meigs, should check it out about a year or two ago,battle was pretty bloody, bodies everywhere, British lost
These napoleon battles are so cool
In 1814 we took a little trip
fantastic battle!, good tactics for the teams
Watching this and listening to the Johnny Horton song...
You must find the UK version of this song
ah im not alone with the song
2:25 Sebastian Yarrick but ve a descendant
Of that Cherokee Indian.
Nice little intro Apollo
Them haters love em you have to love to hate keep it up man never stop reaching your dreams
Another rule should've been that the southern side of the American line is a river and cannot be used for flanking except for a single British battery on the other side of the river that did historically happen. The American ranks could not be outflanked from the south unless they hopped on boats and sailed by which was a plan but did not happen.
When I say south side, it would be the American right flank that was against the river
Agreed.
It was actually a rule for this battle, along with an impassible swamp in the North.
Great battle
Amazing Video and I'm very early here!!
As a Vols fan this is a my favorite episode. A Volunteers reference and a bama joke GBO!! 🍊🟧⬜️🟧⬜️🟧
Too bad America was tied down in America otherwise we could’ve potentially taken the fight to England with Napoleon if we had the naval capability of both empires
I doubt it. While the United States favored France, they disliked Napoleon (that said, they disliked the British Empire and their monarchical allies even more). The US did not want to see France fall because it would potentially mean the end of republicanism in Europe, but they had no real love in their hearts for France falling under imperial rule under Napoleon. At one point, President Madison considered declaring war on both France and England at the same time even.
@wyattjenkins7898 - I doubt it. As you already mentioned the US did not have a navy capable of beating/eclipsing (with Napoleon) the Royal Navy. On land, the US were beaten back in nearly every decisive battle except in rare circumstances such as New Orleans.
@@Chris-pi5vvIt would be incorrect to say that the US was beaten in nearly every battle. Most yes, but in the last half of the War of 1812, the US army had found its footing and more competent generalship and was able to beat the British army routinely.
@@haswordmaster1497 - The US army were pushed back into its own territory. To put this bluntly, the War of 1812 was a minor part of the Napoleonic Wars. The US Office of the Historian- although retired now- state this: "The Napoleonic Wars marked a period of U.S. weakness in the face of British power." history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/napoleonic-wars
sending love from new orleans
There is a House in New Orleans!
4:45 what regiment is that in the green!? That cant be the rifles...
i believe those are the upper canada militia, most likely the 2nd glengarry
OH! Now I know what you mean. And it could also be one of those ranger units... Thanks.@@Kyuschi
Im rooting for the british in this battle because im european (schtupid americans XD) and im Part german, part british...so...that says all i think
A Frankie panky, is that when you "do it" from the side? Lol
i'm going to resist the urge to rant about how we won this war and that this battle was pointless as the war was over when it happened and just settle for being happy that the conflict is mentioned and proudly announce that the uniforms you thought looked cool at 7:14 were my own home boys, the incorporated militia of upper canada.
oh, and encourage you to look up the song about queenston heights.
Well, I can certainly see why Canadians believe they won the war. Americans make the same claim. The reason for this, I believe, is because the United States, Canada, UK, and the Native Americans all had different goals in mind. I've broken it down like this:
Canada: The only true winner. Their goal was to keep the United States out of Canada and they managed that.
United States: Won the morale victory. While nothing was officially settled by the war on paper, the British were forced to accept America's demands in an unofficial capacity and the United States knew it.
The British: Did not lose. The British army conducted itself very well during the War of 1812. It was enough to save face. The British would end up not conceding anything officially, but they failed embarrassingly to subjugate the United States and to punish her.
The Native Americans: The only true losers of the War of 1812. With the death of Tecumseh, any dream of an Indian Confederacy died with him at the Battle of Thames. His legacy would leave a bad taste in America's mouth for Native Americans for a while. (I'm not going to go through the particulars, but Tecumseh was not a really great individual like he is typically cracked up to be.)
Noone won the war it was a stalemate. The US didn't conquer Canada, large parts of Washington was burnt to the ground and the British could no longer bully the US and kidnap US sea men. Noone really gained their objectives
I need a campaign of this.
And then a few months later the British took a little trip to DC ;)
No brother, the British would do nothing after this battle.
@@PixelatedApollo1 I stand corrected, I hadn’t finished my coffee and read the years wrong 😆
Ngl every time i find. A video i watch it for 2 minutes and then click on another 😂
the unit speed in this mod is borderline game braking for me, I wish there was some way to change it ;/
Great video
Does this mod support ships on battle maps? The US privateer flotillas were crucial to their defense
There's a few maps with ships but they're not controllable, this maps is bladensburg so it's not even new oreleans
is it meta to keep ur ranks super deep? I always kept mine 3-4 ranks deep not like 5-8 ranks deep. Anyone know?
Yes, better for moral I believe
@@PixelatedApollo1 ohh okay! Thanks
NTW3 morale is stronger the thicker your ranks are. It's also faster to turn compared to a thinner line.
This game is so good after all this time
soooo many sports references
Britain needs respect
Bannerlord campaign
pretty sure georgian militia have buck and ball torture in ntw3. :)
Make a campaign! Play though
Where are the pirates ☠
What map is this
Were those French "Grenadier" uniforms accurate for that battle? 🤔
Bro please do a bannerlord series
I was on usa side sayed Apollo
no
The thing a lot of people don't know about the war of 1812 is that it was fought entirely by the South, the North didn't help fight off an invasion of their own country. New England supported you guessed it, England, and the South supported the French. The country was already hugely divided even before the Civil War.
What do you mean 'by the South'? are you referring to the Southern States or?
Just for clarity, when you say South you are meaning what they would have considered both the South AND the Western states. A very important distinction. It would be ill-advised to connect this division you speak of to the Civil War. Remember, after the fall of the Federalist Party after the Hartford Convention embarrassment, the United States went through what was known as the Era of Good Feelings: pretty much the only time in American history where we had a uni-party system. Everyone was united, but only for a while. Eventually this one party--the Democratic-Republican Party--would find itself splitting up. Jackson's followers would start calling themselves Democrats. Followers of Clay and Webster would become the Whigs who would reform into the Free Soilers, and finally the Republican Party (the anti-slave party which was so named as a call back to the party of Jefferson and Madison.) These new differences over the exact nature of state and federal sovereignty, tariffs, and slavery would lead to the Civil War.
@@haswordmaster1497 Sure, some miltias in the western territories fought too, my point was that New England did not fight. New England supported a strong central government with an alliance to the British and the South supported a smaller government with an alliance to the French. New England had low support throughout the war and no wanted to join up to fight the British, banks from New England refused to even finance the war.
There was tension before the Civil War, New England was not only blocking administration efforts to finance the war but there was fear of New England discussing a seperate peace with Britain, which would have meant secession, which is why Madison had to send federal troops to Albany New York just in case he needed to crush a New England rebellion.
It's fine, not many people know about this, it's fine, I know, I'm a smart ass, just thought I'd share a fun fact from history; that's all.
If you are talking about New Orleans, kind of. Jackson's army did have Hatian revolution refugees (which would make up the Free Men of Colour) in the massive mix. The 4th rifles also had their depots in Pennsylvania and New York.
If you are saying the War of 1812 as a whole? That is false. Incredibly false.
5th, 6th, 16th, and 22nd Infantry = Pennsylvania
4th infantry = New Hampshire
9th and 21st = Massachusetts
1st and 15th = New Jersey
etc, etc.
And that's not to mention the volunteers, Volunteers, or militia (such as the Pittsburgh "Blues", Maryland militia, Vermont at Plattsburgh, etc.)
@@samtheman9002 I already knew all those details. In addition, if the British in Canada wanted any intelligence on the American armed forces, they would simply read New England newspapers which knowingly would leak information to them. My point was that the differences that led to the Civil War was of a different nature (though it had its origins at this time as you mentioned). It just seems a bit of a stretch to make a direct correlation between the differences then and the differences 50 years later which would evolve. After all, the northern states were actively talking about secession during the War of 1812, and they would come to deny that it was even possible to secede only a few decades later (which would always be a point of embarrassment for the Union).
That said, I may have overstated my own case. There always was tension between the northern and southern states. This is something that Madison pointed out during the Constitutional Convention when the small states were concerned that the larger states would try to edge them out through popular representation in both the House and Senate. Madison declared that the there was absolutely no reason for states like Virginia, New York, and Massachusetts to ally with each other because they rarely agreed on anything. He even went so far as to say that the real division in the country would be northern versus southern, slave states versus non slave states. So, I guess you're right in that sense.
Nice
*European immigrants proceeds to a genocide on indigenous*, Apollo "it's what make american history so uniqueeeeeee" XD
nicxe
The native Indian dynamics = you mean the genocides?
less gooooo
LEtSGOOO I AM FIRST!!
GOD DAMNIT
I don't know that was pretty racist Colin oops Apollo
jhrh
We fired our guns and the British kept comin there wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago we fired once more and they Bagan to running on down the Mississippi to the gulf of mexico.