exactly ya'll spot on point everyone just seeem to only think biggie was hatin or didn't have real luv for pac @ that wasn't the case pac did all this shit with suge to bring them bad vibes around !
@@rafaelmuniz5467 yeah a beef almost broke out after pac told them what biggie said they was gonna be on biggie ass until puff had to pay them off to leave big alone
Not only did Mike warn Pac he still friends with them Treach also remained friends with them bit for some reason 2Pac chose to say Biggie had knowledge of what was gonna happen when Big is the guy that didn't really fuck with those dudes
@@rafaelmuniz5467 Team Pac all day. But can't imagine all the pressure BIG felt (early 20s) from Jack and them. No wonder BIG didn't warn Pac again that night in Quad. RIP PAC RIP BIG
2pac thought he was that guy. extortion? fuck you! but he probably thought his rapper buddies (live squad, biggie) would back him. they punked out and even started jumping ship and making fun of him when shit got thick. they didn't want it with some real street dudes over some other rapper.
Cease is being truthful but he’s also being too measured with his words. I want someone like D-Doc or C-Gutta to tell the story in a way where they don’t worry about offending the other side.
Cease ain't measuring over offending the other side lol! LIL sleaze is measuring what he says because the nika still roams around BK so he needs to watch who he talks about. He lies about the story in order to avoid pissing off the same folks that got at Pac.
They forgot cell phones weren't abundant at that time, also. They didn't set Pac up. Pac was arguing with Jimmy before they got to the studio about payment, and the fact he was talking slick. Pac knew who had a movie made on him...
@@longisland5161 Ron G said he was going to meet that bitch Jimmy henchmen and get $7,000 to be featured on Lil Shawn and if he didn’t have his money he was going to bounce. Big L was in the studio with them before he left . lil Shawn talk about. Tupac even made a this song about lil Shawn
Why isn’t the blame Biggie energy shifted towards Lil Shawn. He was the person who Tupac actually came to do a song with. But you know why y’all don’t say nothing about Lil Shawn..Cause he a nobody. But y’all choose to talk about Biggie rather than Lil Shawn cause Biggie is considered one of the greats. That’s why Tupac chose to blame Biggie anyway. Blaming Lil Shawn for what happened would’ve did nothing for his career. So he chose to blame his man who he knew was upcoming and on fire for whatever reason lol.
jimmy henchman set that shit up about a day or two before the shooting pac was talking crazy to jimmy henchman than jimmy had that shit setup alot of people dont know this
@@MonstrMash123458943 facts but the person who needed to know, knew what was gon happen beforehand that’s why he was strapped in the first place. Ain’t nobody walking around New York City(Midtown Manhattan to be exact) with a pistol on them for no reason. Rapper or not🤷🏾♂️
I'm good with all the stories but why did it take so long for all of these interviews. I was 25 when both of these legends died, and man if we all knew then what we know now it would have been very enlightening.
I think fans of it made an effort. Vlad and Art of dialog were pioneers of that effort. They studied it, and figured who and what to ask, then got more info then figured out more food what to ask to whom.
Bruh great question.. here’s the answer same reason pac didn’t mention it .. jimmy henchman was a serious threat … everyone knew even pac knew … bcuz his man stretch came and told him what Jimmy henchman said but pac knew not to play with dude so he blamed big .. flex .. Clark Kent they all talking now bcuz Jimmy henchman behind bars for life and is no longer a threat .. that’s why you’re hearing the total truth now
I never was much a Biggie fan but the more I wast his these interviews the more I realise that Big was more gangta than PAC was. PAC is still my favourite rapper of all time but I can’t help wondering why he didn’t put the blame on the other guy he was scheduled to record with that day as well? The other artist knew Pac would be at Quad for sure but PAC never questioned the other artist’s innocence in the whole thing!
@@6thbr871 😂😂Definitely! Was kinda bxtchmade to finger Big like that knowing full well that Jimmy and them were behind it all! Still love Pac but I’m lookin at him funny after this epiphany
Lil cease story is believable. If what he said is true about talking to 2Pac from the balcony, then lil cease, kept his word to meet 2Pac. That, and them poiting their guns at lil cease, means he didnt know and didnt set him up. Puffy maybe, but lets clear about Lil Cease. Also, lil Cease story doesnt change at least from the inteviews of the past year.
Pac wasn't going there to meet lil caes, he was going there to record a song with a dude named lil Shawn, in a different studio. Lil caes and lil Shawn didn't know each other and weren't there together
I love big but im a bigger Pac fan still I feel Pac got that shit wrong & Lil Cease definitely don't have anything to do with that. He speaking from his hart people need to stop stressing him about Quad man he was a little kid then not a major Jimmy Henchmen Hatian Jack or Alpo type of major slimy guy man. Let that be now.
@@alpha-boss It’s true that Tupac carried his own guns and had to carry the weight for that anyway due to strict Nyc gun laws It’s also true that Pac got a slap on the wrist considering all the hollering he was doing and only getting 18 months …of which he only did 11
I am a PAC fan and know that the only person that could have set him up was the person who was paying him to do a song with Lil Shawn, not BIG. Listen to Lil Shawn’s interview on what happened. Haitian Jack was with PAC during the alleged rape incident, is the person PAC said something to in front of others that was offensive ( Majesty and his homeboy won’t repeat on camera), and friends with the person who was going to pay him and told Stretch he had “money for war” , and is the same reason why he was caring those guns with him initially. Jack and Jimmy are obviously the ones who orchestrated it. PAC knew that!
Right but biggie was supposed to be a good friend. Pac taught biggie everything he knew and he would school biggie on the game. He owed pac more than that acting like he didn't know pac was bout to get robbed and didn't tell him
@@Wiseone123 biggie was scared to tell pac who goin robbed him ...yea biggie didn't set him up, but he knew who was goin do it , n pac mad cause he didn't say nothing. pac quote "biggie what happen"
@@DontTestMeAtall it's wrong for me tell white people about their history towards black people, although they never owned any slaves. Its wrong to teach the youth about moving a certain way?
@Bruce Dragon1000 - there is nothing wrong with educating the current and upcoming generation about how to move but your energy is solely on Tupac's wrongs when clearly both young men (Tupac and BIG) made terrible mistakes. Trying to absolve one from guilt is a mark of stupidity from any fan even if you have your favourite or otherwise. Their optimum greatness was tied to their death as unfortunate as that sounds. Let's leave both to RIP without denegration. Saying PAC was feminine etc doesn't help the message you might be trying to pass. I already saw other people saying BIG was feminine too for blablabla. It will just turn into a cycle of back and forth blasting of our long ago dead greats.
So Lil Sleaze can remember what B.I.G said but can't remember the sneak dissing. Pac was angry that the very artist he put on, gave money too and let him open up with his shows. The thing is Jimmy, Haitian and King Tut were serious dudes and they obviously warned Biggie not to have anything to do with Pac. As Tupac said "fear got stronger than love". The gangsters wanted 2pac to sign to Bad Boy Records but Pac wasn't haven't it especially as they were extorting Puffy and other NY rappers. Lil Sleaze on more than one occasion stated he heard multiple shots. The streets knew it was a set up and Biggie and them knew what was going to happen, these things happen everyday in "the hood". After he wrote 'Against All Odds' Pac knew he couldn't be around, it would have become a bloody war with many victims. Death Row East would have faced many issues too. Exit: Tupac Enter: Makaveli
Exactly...extortion is what this was all about. Biggie never warned him about the coming hit. Cease was in on it too. He went outside in the cold to smoke a blunt,to alert the shooters of his arrival. Cease needs to be honest. Those people are all gone now.
@@larrystilltheeman39 so how did it work?… You trying to tell me Pac was coming to the studio to meet Big in the first place and he wasn’t booked for a session? Because I’ve never heard Pac say he was going to the studio to meet Big 🤔
He didn’t skip over it.. he said he got back on the elevator & went up & told biggie.. biggie told him to stay there, they stayed there for 15-20 mins.. So if they stayed upstairs in a different studio. How would they see Pac go up? He later says while we’re outside they bring him out.. which means Pac was somewhere in the building.
Art u mis speaking Pac never said biggie didn't come to see him in jail bro. Where did that come from? Pac was mad cuz big was in the streets. He thought that big shoulda told him who did it. Not tgat he had anything to fo with it. That in conjunction with tupac feeling he gave alot of game to biggie and big took some style and ideas from pac. That's why he was dissing him. In the art of war it tells u to bury anyone coming up that could be a threat to your success. That's what he did. And he felt fine because he felt betrayed.
Unfortunately there's rules to the game, so even if Lil Cease knows some shit he can't be on TH-cam airing shit out, there's no benefit for some one to do that
Lil cease keeping it real. Biggie was looking out for pac he can't tell when something's going to happen Tupac shouldn't have been talking after that rape case he was talking about some gangsters about their involvement in that case to and stuff got sticky that's facts cuz!!
@@champureturns227 Tupac Shakur been speaking on that rape case all in front of the camera he was saying some stuff about them gangsters they didn't like. You can't blame biggie when you got other stuff going on facts cuz !!
Art are you gonna ask him about Biggie's music there are alot of questions I have especially about his colaboration with Michael Jackson which no one seems to bring up, I have questions about his motivation behind Niggas Bleed and Somebody got to die cmon now Biggie and Pac where both great artists outside of the beef
Pac was upset because he thought since Big was considered the “king” of New York, he should have knew or should have told Pac who was responsible for the shooting. This shit is like a Shakespeare play. A lot of misunderstandings and fate.
Do you realize how much of a ridiculous idea that is? Was 2pac actually an Incan Chief or an Italian philosopher?? Was MC Hammer out here building houses? Lol no Because it’s a rap moniker they’re RAPPERS! Lol Pac just used that to try and humiliate Big and naive Tupac Stans ran with it smh
King of New York as far as rap. Not the streets. Pac knew how big NYC is. The borough of Brooklyn is almost bigger than the city of Los Angeles. (Not county). Biggie barely controlled his own block. So that excuse is lame.
Why is cease denying everything this man is asking him knowing full work this man did his homework and knows and he’s acting like he don’t wanna be there. I don’t believe shit what he says now
This guy's story keeps changing!! I remember when he said Pac was only shot twice. Said Long Kiss Goodnight was a Pac diss. Now he's backtracking. Lame dude..
@@wahrheit9794 Pac wasn't a street dude. So he was moving reckless. Pac was also on some clown shI't. If anybody with a heart was absolutely positive that somebody almost had them killed, they're not making a diss record and they aren't talking about it publicly. Fake azz gangsta. I do love his music though.
@@wahrheit9794 I saidl, Pac wasn''t a street dude. If he knew in his heart Biggie set him up he was a coward to not do anything about it but make a diss record. In that case, Pac was also a snitch that shot himself.
@@wahrheit9794 Pac was the coward. Big tried to talk things out in attlanta at JD's birthday party,but Pac was a coward. So he left things up to Suge 🤡
Dude didn’t listen carefully to that Pac interview with Sway. Pac said Biggie told him don’t hang around the dude who ended up shooting him. Why Pac asked him why Biggie said he couldn’t tell him right then and would tell him later. But they never talked before the shooting.
@@LARK-ht7kd Nice to who? He beat on lil Kim and he sneak dissed Pac. He wasn’t loyal to them at all. That’s why faith was tired of him and got with Pac for revenge and I don’t blame faith at all.
What Cease didn’t say was that the “thing” Pac left that Biggie wanted to bring to him was his gun that he stashed in the piano at Quad before the police got there.
You gotta respect pacs feelings on this pac is right biggie knew the shooter had nothin to do with who knew what was gone happen but why cant you tell me after what happen
How did you know pac was coming? Look how keeps going on about not knowing he was coming... he keeps repeating that. Why would you be looking out the window?
Biggie was making more money off their fued than with pac dead. Lets be real. Even if biggie became friends with pac again theyd continue the public fued just to make more. So why did biggie set him up? Biggie was on the same level and people argued who was better so it wasnt jealousy. He had no reason. But alot of other rappers did have a reason
Both of these artist died because the ppl they were around were 🐍 & jealous....be careful who you trust especially if they appear to be your ticket to success...
They should have been mad as fk Seeing that if that was your bor and you were trying to smoke his green and some1 robs them I'd be strapped up going outside
I wonder if someone is in his ear telling him what to say. His pauses take to long like he’s kit processing the question it’s like he’s waiting for a response to the Question
So this interview before or after he did the interview with stretch brother? Because if it's after he not being truthful on what he knows from Pacs people and what was said when they came to see him.
The ending is funny 😂 you put him on blast about Biggie saying Pac got hit once.. he wasn’t expecting that 😂 he was forced to say Biggie was lying and Pac did get shot more then once.. great journalism Art!
No matter how any one tries to spin rumor, it will always be just that. Pac has no medical report from a hospital or trauma center. The only report he provided was one from a doctor that stated vaguely that he suffered 5 bullet wounds. Dexter Isaac said his hitters said they did not fire they’re guns, and Pac and his man got hit trying to wrestle his gun out of his waist. Stretch said he only remembers one shot. Zayd said him and Pac both ran outside the quad to see if they could catch up. The only reason Pac ran into the elevator was because there cops parked outside of Quad, and the saw him screaming at people about where the goons ran to, while waving his gun. Pac did not know he was shot till he reached the studio and tried to sit down. People in the studio alerted him to the blood on his back. Do your research, vh1 and TH-cam may not cut it. ✌🏿
@@tonewopn8275 It's hard to face this, cold world on a good day When will they let the little kids in the hood play? I got shot five times but I'm still breathin' Livin' proof there's a God if you need a reason
Seems to me like Pac was warned to watch the guys he was moving with and when he got hit,he expected BIG to inherit his beef and ride for him cause it's his city 🙅🏾♂️🙅🏾♂️ nah I warned and you acted like you knew what you was doing.My personal opinion is that he felt more betrayed that BIG wouldn't apply pressure for him or crash out for him rather than actually blaming him for setting him up
Puffy own bodyguard said when Who Shot Ya came out, EVERYONE thought it was about Pac. Son did some shady shit with his boss and got punished for it on wax 🤷🏽♂️
@@pcangeldust PAc got everyone who he did wrong, talking the truth about the real pac who was just a theatrical sensitive liar. He caused lives to be lost because of his ignorance towards our culture. Even his own family exposed him. Biggie was not grimey or snakish like pac was and even suge was getting tired of him. LOL
@@rafaelc9299 PAc should have never released Agaisnt All odd dissing Biggies friend Stretch who was dead. The LA freestyle was 8 days before Biggie was murdered which was instigated by Sway. Biggie was killed by a professional hitman in kahoots with the LAPD. The FBI has that case still open.
From a 1999 article: "There is something genuinely comforting about walking into Quad Recording Studios after leaving the hustle of 7th Avenue ten floors below. The wood is worn and warm, the rooms are generally spacious by New York standards, and the vibe reflects the sense of creative fun and down-home work ethic of the five-room facility’s owner, Lou Gonzalez. Make no mistake, Quad is Lou Gonzalez. He will speak freely and humbly of his stellar staff and the talented people he “has the opportunity to work with,” but the comfort level begins at the top. Born in Queens, Gonzalez “ran away” to work on a farm in Maine. He milked cows, baled hay and learned to drive on a Farm-All tractor, pulling a hay wagon. After getting an EE degree at the University of Maine, he returned to New York and engineered for radio. Stints as a staff engineer, Broadway engineer and jack-of-all-trades maintenance tech followed, and 22 years ago he opened Quad as a one-room facility, largely financed by a Sesame Street album"
The irony of Biggie telling Tupac to be mindful of his surroundings in NYC, because its a not like Cali... Someone should have told Tupac the same shit about Cali.
Actually Ice-T did warn Pac about not getting into gang shit. Pac didnt listen though. Ice-T told this in an interview. But im pretty sure more LA OG's warned Pac about it.
It’s Tupac. He was too reckless and his death is his own fault. It sucks because he was talented but he brought upon his own demise. No one’s fault but his own.
Because biggie was Tupac’s close friend and he felt betrayed by him, lil Shawn was just some nigga that pac was goin to do a song for , pac didn’t know him like that, but Tupac did diss lil Shawn in a song called him vs her or sum like that with storm
@@zone6eastside672 Biggie was the same friend that told him to be careful with his affiliations admitted by Pac himself so nah miss me with that if somebody shoots me im not gonna take it out on people that had nothing to do with it im going right at the cats that did it also if we talk about who would be guilty of setting up someone I would believe that the artist that was meant to record with me would be on the top of the list with Jimmy not my friend who had no idea I was going to the studio
@@MoonwalkerKing-gc5jm bruh I’m just goin off on what Tupac said it ain’t got nun to do on how I “feel” about the situation so miss me with yo opinion about it , I wasn’t around back then
5:10 Art got quiet real quick thats what happens when you gloss over contradictions, Art also left out the part in Sway's interview in which Pac literally said Biggie warned him about those guys yet he didnt say Pac said that he changed it in to a question "is it true Biggie warned him?" When the majority of the time when Pac says something he always says "Well Pac said", "Well Pac felt" notice how he didnt say Pac said that because he knew it would contradict Pac own statements that he told prior in that same interview cmon now Art stop the bias because while Cease is trying to deflect on alot of shit atleast he dosent seem like he is looking to attack Pac if anything he wants to move on and respect the memory of both of them while Art is just looking to make Biggie the villain this is not an interview bruh this looks like a bias interrogation and a prosecution combined 🙄🙄
Exactly 😒 how and when did Pac and Big have this convo about the quad studios shooting.. dude is beating a dead horse at this point and I don’t see what other subjects he could ever cover after dedicating and investigating “Def Row” as much as he has
I must’ve heard and seen this story re-enacted a thousand times now and it finally donned on me that Big didn’t set Pac up. I mean, why would he send his man Cease to meet Pac downstairs knowing Pac was about to get stuck up? Better yet, why the f**k would Big let it be known that they were at Quad Studio the same night that they allegedly knew Pac was about to get robbed when their whole code or whatever is “Bad boys move in silence.” Let it go, y’all. Big had nothing to do with this. Case closed
If you notice Tupac and his defenders always talk about how Tupac felt. Everything was how he felt at the time. Which means he didn't care if what he felt was wrong or not. He just acted and spoke without facts. Just feelings. In the Angie Martinez interview she asked Pac if he ever did anything wrong. "I did a lot of shit wrong. Probably half the sh it I did is wrong. I believe in my heart I was doing it for the right reasons. It might turnout wrong. Only reason is because I aint had no training." Yet these stans want to take Tupac words/feelings as the gospel. A young and wild dude constantly smoking weed and being paranoid.
@@Wiseone123 Are you really trying compare Biggie saying he thinks someone trying to kill him vs Tupac going on rampages against people because he felt like this or that was (not that it was) true?🤣🤣🤣 Typical illogical Tupac stan shit.🤷♂️
According to the questions ,It seems like the art of dialogue blame BIG for Pac demised The questions are extremely biased More like an interrogation instead of an interview
From Tupac stepbrother to Treach from naughty by nature they all say Tupac overreacted towards BIG by blaming him. I'm sorry to tell the art of dialogue that Tupac did and said a lot of dumb shit in 96
@@cojack636 Pac knew the guys that shot him and he use to hang out with them, after the altercation, they let it be known they were the one who try to rob him . He continue with that nonsense blaming biggie because the East Coast West Coast beef was generated a lot of money for death row a lot of record sale was based of the East Coast and West Coast beef.
@@cojack636 Biggie told his mother that he ran into to Tupac before he died and told him" yo, chill! what's up with you? stop it" Tupac replied yo "I'm trying to make my money man"
The Art of Dialogue is so good at conducting old school hop hop interviews that they are able to talk about the same subject 80% of the time whilst still keeping us all entertained. There's too many other hip hop platforms out there whose hosts are so corny and irritating. No one does it better than these guys. Thank you for all your content, and what's coming in the future.
Pac was saying in interviews if big is the king of ny or in the streets/Brooklyn he would know something beforehand or after to tell him. Or ride for him
He warned Pac about who he was running around with! Lil Shawn said BIG was robbed for telling Pac about who he was running with because Pac went back and mentioned what Big told him. I love Pac as a fan, but maybe out of him being so young he did alot of foul reckless shit towards BIG.
Big started shit too by getting on the radio in NYC sending threats, when the dogg pound was there and there trailer got shot up in NYC @jaykristian745 Both pac and big made mistakes
oh thats what he said? so he a baby and need someone to watch out for him? a MAN take accountability for his own actions. REAL MEN dont cry and play victim when their own actions bring consequences. KNOW THE DIFFERENCE before you follow an entertainment artist with complete loyalty or you'll look like a fool
@@gnarlydude2419 he took accountability for what happen. it doesn't make you a baby or less of a man, if you have friends and family looking out for you/giving you advice. Nobody done it alone.
@@TRILLTALKTV no he didnt take accountability. you think dry snitching is taking accountability? whats your problem? the homie started dry snitching immediately. implicating dudes immediately. what gangsta do that? turning on your homies because you embarrassed. do you know how WEAK that is? you supposed to stand tall and take it on the chin and then if you ever see them fools again, then you let em know that they made a huge mistake. you dont break down like a little girl and start crying about who didnt ...what is he a man or a little boy? you came to NY on ya ish, and you had on ya jewels, and you was flexing like you usually do, drawing attention to yourself because thats what you do, so you made yourself a target. nobody else did that you!! now you wanna blame everybody else because you think this aint supposed to happen to "a thug". that tells you right there that he aint no thug!!!!! because EVERY thug will tell you that ANYBODY can get caught pissin in the alley sort of speech. c'mon man all that crying? somehow yall equate that with being gangsta. i dont get it! lol im over here laughin like crazy because i dont see where crying like a bich made you a gangsta. i dont know. and he dry snitchin???? im lost dog. sad thing is, BIG remained that man true friend til he couldnt anymore and all BIG get is disrespect from all you pac fans, and the reason for that is because PAC made it that way by poisoning the well. everytime he talked he wanna diss BIg so all yall know how to do is diss BIG. BIG was cool. PAC was on the bull ish. but Pac had to find out the hard way. BIG got hit from jealousy and conspiracy. Pac got himself killed from starting bull ish with the wrong person
You and every body should have know watch out who you mess with you're not untouchable I don't care how tough you are you can be touched no matter how bad you are always someone better
Lil cease is a real one! Thank God him, faith, Kim & all the real one still alive to set the record straight cause this media getting everybody brainwashed from the truth!
nobody is brainwashed from any truth, it was some funny business going on with big and puff and that whole badboy camp, and pac knew it, that's why he called them out💯
Big had nothing to do with it nor any prior knowledge. Pac even blamed the A-team at one point, but it was Jimmy Henchmen. Henchmen nor Haitian Jack had no connection with the A-team accept being from Brooklyn, but they were from East NY and Jack and Henchmen were from Flatbush. Pac was just paranoid getting bad information, he was even blaming King Tut, who was booked at the time. But I believe he knew Big had nothing to do with it but was an easy target. He didn't go at the real culprits until he had Deathrow and the Pirus behind him
Wrong: Pac was pissed at the fact that BIG ran in the same circles as the niggas who did it(Henchmen's crew or Haitian Jack's from what I read) and didn't tell Pac who was involved after it went down. The truth is Pac was very impulsive and use those guys as character study for his role as "Birdie" in Above The Rim. BIG may have warned him perhaps, but the Brooklyn/East NY connection between all of those guys just made everything look suspect
@@elijahstraight402 Biggie did not hang out with Haitian Jack or Jimmy. He knew who they were tho!! Mike Tyson grew up and hung out with them. Mike warned PAC about them too. Pac did not listen. Mike is still friends with Jack and Tut till this day. And it’s bugged out that Pac died after a Mike Tyson fight.
@@elijahstraight402 what you read 😑. Bro Pac was going off bad rumors Big wasn’t running with Jack or Henchmen those were OGs almost 10 years older than him and from a different part of Brooklyn. Henchmen may have been trying to press Puff to do business, but Puff had some get busy boys around him. Pac got hit because he wasn’t very streetwise unfortunately, he was from the ghetto but moved around too much to be entrenched in one particular culture because politics are different everywhere. Big tried to warn him about how grimy some BK cats can be but Pac didn’t listen
@@oredi2159 How would you know? We're you part of either of their inner circles? I got off what I've read and researched unfortunately because I didn't know anyone who were associated with Henchmen or Haitian Jack. More or less anyone outta their crew. I said Big knew guys that knew both of THEM. That's what I meant about BIG running in the same circles as both gangstas. Granted he tried to warn Pac because Pac wasn't aligned with either of them
Wait a minute, 2pac literally says in his sway interview he gets in the elevator and everyone upstairs looked at him like he was a ghost! He said sway I can’t describe it you have to experience it for your self! So what is cease saying we only saw him downstairs but then says heard shots upstairs then big went down then the police came the scenario doesn’t make sense!
I don't think biggie knew but the fact he warned 2pac about the dudes he was hanging with I can understand why 2pac felt there was something big did know about the overall situations.
🤣🤣 you biggie Stans are ignorant af…after pac died your man damn near admits to knowing about both shootings on long kiss good night …but I guess you’ll take lil cease ‘s word for it that it wasn’t about Pac right ? which contradicts himself when he admitted in XXl that long kiss was about PAC🤦🏾♂️ Big and puffy were snakes who thought they were bad boys who “move in silence”
Pac was a Gemini, generally Geminis don't get too overly emotional but with Pac not having a stable father figure present and being raised by a single mother( stepfather in prison ) Pac seemed to go on feelings rather than facts and was highly emotional which can cloud ones judgment. I know, because as a man I've had episodes to where my judgment was questionable being I was being emotional rather than calm and rational; I'd have to check myself after the fact or be checked.
Maybe I misspoke on that Quad situation. Maybe Pac was right about Cease and Bigg being in on it. Up until the Quad incident Bigg and Pac were still cool but Pac and Puff had tension beneath the surface.
Art of dialog I'm starting to see you as the problem.. Tupac new who shot him, he did nothing to Jimmy Henchmen, he just went after BIG....SMH ....but Pac fans just wanna sh#t on BIG name
@@quandadon5882 if you listen to what Pac said He said "I asked Big what happened, and biggie said I LL TELL YOU WHEN I COME SEE YOU, and pac replied no tell me" This shows pac and biggie werent speaking face to face as biggie said I WILL COME SEE YOU So it could have been a phone call Its the interview where Pac says he said to biggie "what happened"
They didn't find Pac guilty and why didn't BIG show up when he was locked up and why would BIG say watch your surroundings as if Pac doesn't know NYC dude is literally from NYC give me a break, but I don't think BIG set him up I think Puff did, BIG may have known what was going on though that night.
You're right Gene Deal said jimmy henchman told Andre harell and puff that he was gonna spank pac, but I can see the confusion pac figured if puff knew Big had to
He also lied about Biggie quote " Was downstairs for almost 15 - 20 minutes". All that drama when Pac got shot while big was down stairs for 15 minutes??? You mean the Stick Up kids had enough time to eat McDonalds and nap before peeling out?? Lol! He than goes on to say nn Vladtv that he only heard one shot which was the Pac inflicted on himself. Here he says Nino heard " shots" not a shot when heading downstairs at Quad. Buttttt I get it.....Lil Sleaze is still willing to lie which is precisely what pissed off Pac back than when he said these nikkaz is doing the detective work by saying he only got shot once. No one at Quad wanted to appear as a Dry snitcher because they know additional shots heard implies more guns, more shooters, etc.. other at a crime scene. So imagine some dudes just took your life after getting shots several times and the people you know say otherwise. All this while u in jail and being falsely accused of rape. Puff could've bailed out Pac just like Suge did. You think he gave a damn? Lol!
Big wasn’t innocent. Pac never blamed big for what happened. But if you listen to an interview of big telling what happened that day. He tells it as if he doesn’t like pac or ever did like him. He said “they weren’t going to kill him it was just a robbery. Pac went for his gun. It went off everyone started shooting. They pistol whipped him a few times. He comes up stairs and is out of it. You know when your shot you don’t know what’s going on. He thought he was living a movie all the time “. Cool. The only people who knows the story is pac stretch and the robbers. Who told biggie the story in a way that makes pac look like a sucka. And why did he repeat it in the same way. If it was a misunderstanding it could have been easily handled trying to contact pac while he left the hospital and while he was in jail. Big could have easily went to see pac at any point and have that conversation. Instead he didn’t he allowed it to bubble over until it was war. I don’t blame pac or biggie. I blame the man who set pac up. November 30th 94 changed the course of three men’s lives. Pac doesn’t get set up pac there’s no East vs west beef. Stretch probably still boys with pac and biggie doesn’t rob drug dealers and gets killed a year to the date of quad studios. Puffy never puts a offer out on a death row chain which means Orlando Anderson never gets jumped. Pac never gets shot in Vegas. West coast doesn’t retaliate when big comes to Cali. Biggie is still alive. That one event snowballed into history that should have never happened. They were all boys. I don’t blame them I blame Jimmy who put the hit out. Yet he’s still alive while three legends are dead. Why?
Nigga big said thts wht he heard what happen stop tryna flip the script tell me why would big still be cool with pac if pac told them Niggas big warned him about them & he got big robbed you see big never put that on was cus he knew street politics & pac didn't
Even pac's dad said biggie came to see pac
But nobody talks about that
@@derrickpowell2563 right,they look over that part....Ppl take what they want from from stories bruh
exactly ya'll spot on point everyone just seeem to only think biggie was hatin or didn't have real luv for pac @ that wasn't the case pac did all this shit with suge to bring them bad vibes around !
@@mr.420bklyn5 c'mon now,dnt be bias bruh....dnt act like biggie didn't do SHIT at all cuz that shit is documented
PAC’s dad?? Wtf is you talm bout?
Sometimes when I hear lil cease voice sounds like DMX on a chilled day 😂
I thought I was the only one thinking this 😂😂
Aye fax
What? Lmao
I'm thinking the same thing!😅
that's what I always think! he has such a similar voice to DMX.
Iron Mike warned Pac as well. 2 Brooklyn dudes warned Pac.
Not just that, Pac went back to the guys and told them what Big said. Then it was said that Biggie got robbed after that.
@@rafaelmuniz5467 yeah a beef almost broke out after pac told them what biggie said they was gonna be on biggie ass until puff had to pay them off to leave big alone
Not only did Mike warn Pac he still friends with them Treach also remained friends with them bit for some reason 2Pac chose to say Biggie had knowledge of what was gonna happen when Big is the guy that didn't really fuck with those dudes
@@rafaelmuniz5467 Team Pac all day. But can't imagine all the pressure BIG felt (early 20s) from Jack and them. No wonder BIG didn't warn Pac again that night in Quad. RIP PAC RIP BIG
2pac thought he was that guy. extortion? fuck you!
but he probably thought his rapper buddies (live squad, biggie) would back him. they punked out and even started jumping ship and making fun of him when shit got thick. they didn't want it with some real street dudes over some other rapper.
Cease is being truthful but he’s also being too measured with his words. I want someone like D-Doc or C-Gutta to tell the story in a way where they don’t worry about offending the other side.
D ROC definitely will be straight forward!
@Mr.Smutjuice B-I-N-G-O-!-!-!
Cease ain't measuring over offending the other side lol! LIL sleaze is measuring what he says because the nika still roams around BK so he needs to watch who he talks about. He lies about the story in order to avoid pissing off the same folks that got at Pac.
@@BuckemdownBuckemdown what part of over 25yrs ago do you not understand??
I don’t know why y’all pac fans act like it hasn’t been confirmed on what happened at quad studio 🥴🥴 I just don’t get y’all 🤦🏿♂️
They forgot cell phones weren't abundant at that time, also. They didn't set Pac up. Pac was arguing with Jimmy before they got to the studio about payment, and the fact he was talking slick. Pac knew who had a movie made on him...
Agree jimmy mention how pac wasn’t on his level and booked pac to come to quad to rob him to let him know he could be touched
@@longisland5161 pac had just left Ron G to do a song with lil shawn
@@antoniohoward981 has anyone ever asked Ron G or Shawn about the issue ?
@@longisland5161 Ron G said he was going to meet that bitch Jimmy henchmen and get $7,000 to be featured on Lil Shawn and if he didn’t have his money he was going to bounce. Big L was in the studio with them before he left . lil Shawn talk about. Tupac even made a this song about lil Shawn
@@longisland5161 jimmy had pac set up. Pac kept sassing him
Why isn’t the blame Biggie energy shifted towards Lil Shawn. He was the person who Tupac actually came to do a song with. But you know why y’all don’t say nothing about Lil Shawn..Cause he a nobody. But y’all choose to talk about Biggie rather than Lil Shawn cause Biggie is considered one of the greats. That’s why Tupac chose to blame Biggie anyway. Blaming Lil Shawn for what happened would’ve did nothing for his career. So he chose to blame his man who he knew was upcoming and on fire for whatever reason lol.
Bingo thats the real question
jimmy henchman set that shit up about a day or two before the shooting pac was talking crazy to jimmy henchman than jimmy had that shit setup alot of people dont know this
@@MonstrMash123458943 facts but the person who needed to know, knew what was gon happen beforehand that’s why he was strapped in the first place. Ain’t nobody walking around New York City(Midtown Manhattan to be exact) with a pistol on them for no reason. Rapper or not🤷🏾♂️
@@kevinnoheart4778 who’s the person that needed to know?
@@chosenone2788 Tupac
I'm good with all the stories but why did it take so long for all of these interviews. I was 25 when both of these legends died, and man if we all knew then what we know now it would have been very enlightening.
I think fans of it made an effort. Vlad and Art of dialog were pioneers of that effort. They studied it, and figured who and what to ask, then got more info then figured out more food what to ask to whom.
Bruh great question.. here’s the answer same reason pac didn’t mention it .. jimmy henchman was a serious threat … everyone knew even pac knew … bcuz his man stretch came and told him what Jimmy henchman said but pac knew not to play with dude so he blamed big .. flex .. Clark Kent they all talking now bcuz Jimmy henchman behind bars for life and is no longer a threat .. that’s why you’re hearing the total truth now
I never was much a Biggie fan but the more I wast his these interviews the more I realise that Big was more gangta than PAC was. PAC is still my favourite rapper of all time but I can’t help wondering why he didn’t put the blame on the other guy he was scheduled to record with that day as well? The other artist knew Pac would be at Quad for sure but PAC never questioned the other artist’s innocence in the whole thing!
Bro pac knew jack and jimmy would had his whole family in the trunk.
@@6thbr871 😂😂Definitely! Was kinda bxtchmade to finger Big like that knowing full well that Jimmy and them were behind it all! Still love Pac but I’m lookin at him funny after this epiphany
PAC and Suge started a 🐂 💩beef to sell records he always knew who was really involved
The artist you're talking about is Lil Shawna dn pac mentioned him numerous times. Check out the pac song "my niggas"
@@caliking2x Little Shawn*
Lil cease story is believable. If what he said is true about talking to 2Pac from the balcony, then lil cease, kept his word to meet 2Pac. That, and them poiting their guns at lil cease, means he didnt know and didnt set him up. Puffy maybe, but lets clear about Lil Cease. Also, lil Cease story doesnt change at least from the inteviews of the past year.
The Person Tupac WAS SUPPOSED TO DO A SONG WITH THAT PERSON WAS Little SHAWN
Tupac Amaru Shakur GREATEST TO EVER DO IT
PERIOD
Pac was jus lying about da shooting...his fans jus dnt wanna admit it 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Exactly
🤔
If Cease never saw pac this all may have never played out like this
Pac wasn't going there to meet lil caes, he was going there to record a song with a dude named lil Shawn, in a different studio. Lil caes and lil Shawn didn't know each other and weren't there together
I love big but im a bigger Pac fan still I feel Pac got that shit wrong & Lil Cease definitely don't have anything to do with that. He speaking from his hart people need to stop stressing him about Quad man he was a little kid then not a major Jimmy Henchmen Hatian Jack or Alpo type of major slimy guy man. Let that be now.
I’m a huge Pac fan too and I agree with that about Cease.
@@alpha-boss yes that’s true fuck lil C’s
@@alpha-boss
It’s true that Tupac carried his own guns and had to carry the weight for that anyway due to strict Nyc gun laws
It’s also true that
Pac got a slap on the wrist considering all the hollering he was doing and only getting 18 months …of which he only did 11
@@alpha-boss
He had to take accountability for HIS OWN illegal firearms first and foremost
Lies lies lies
I am a PAC fan and know that the only person that could have set him up was the person who was paying him to do a song with Lil Shawn, not BIG. Listen to Lil Shawn’s interview on what happened. Haitian Jack was with PAC during the alleged rape incident, is the person PAC said something to in front of others that was offensive ( Majesty and his homeboy won’t repeat on camera), and friends with the person who was going to pay him and told Stretch he had “money for war” , and is the same reason why he was caring those guns with him initially. Jack and Jimmy are obviously the ones who orchestrated it. PAC knew that!
Jack had nothing to do with dat ..jimmy told Jack to robbed pac n he said no he not getting involved in that
@@bweezy565 , exactly. Puff and Harrell prolly knew it was gonna go down. But not Big
Right but biggie was supposed to be a good friend. Pac taught biggie everything he knew and he would school biggie on the game. He owed pac more than that acting like he didn't know pac was bout to get robbed and didn't tell him
@@Wiseone123 biggie was scared to tell pac who goin robbed him ...yea biggie didn't set him up, but he knew who was goin do it , n pac mad cause he didn't say nothing. pac quote "biggie what happen"
@@bweezy565 No Pac said Biggie told him yo stay away from them and Pac didn't listen.
Our brother Pac was hard headed, Life can fix such issues with ease if you choose to remain that way
Exactly but let his fans tell it he could do no wrong smh. Pac was my guy but he moved like he didn't know any better
@Bruce Dragon1000 - Just like life will fix your issues in no time if you keep talking about the dead that way and remaining feminine
@@DontTestMeAtall it's wrong for me tell white people about their history towards black people, although they never owned any slaves. Its wrong to teach the youth about moving a certain way?
@Bruce Dragon1000 - there is nothing wrong with educating the current and upcoming generation about how to move but your energy is solely on Tupac's wrongs when clearly both young men (Tupac and BIG) made terrible mistakes. Trying to absolve one from guilt is a mark of stupidity from any fan even if you have your favourite or otherwise. Their optimum greatness was tied to their death as unfortunate as that sounds. Let's leave both to RIP without denegration. Saying PAC was feminine etc doesn't help the message you might be trying to pass. I already saw other people saying BIG was feminine too for blablabla. It will just turn into a cycle of back and forth blasting of our long ago dead greats.
@@DontTestMeAtall so in other words, you don't wont anyone speaking truth and history. Gotcha
So Lil Sleaze can remember what B.I.G said but can't remember the sneak dissing.
Pac was angry that the very artist he put on, gave money too and let him open up with his shows. The thing is Jimmy, Haitian and King Tut were serious dudes and they obviously warned Biggie not to have anything to do with Pac. As Tupac said "fear got stronger than love".
The gangsters wanted 2pac to sign to Bad Boy Records but Pac wasn't haven't it especially as they were extorting Puffy and other NY rappers.
Lil Sleaze on more than one occasion stated he heard multiple shots.
The streets knew it was a set up and Biggie and them knew what was going to happen, these things happen everyday in "the hood".
After he wrote 'Against All Odds' Pac knew he couldn't be around, it would have become a bloody war with many victims. Death Row East would have faced many issues too.
Exit: Tupac Enter: Makaveli
Has proof ever come out showing that BIG knew what was going to happen? Why would someone like him even need to know?
Look at you making up your own narrative 😂🤣😂🤣… You dudes really be sitting down thinking up your own Tupac/Biggie stories loooool… Sad MF’s
Exactly...extortion is what this was all about. Biggie never warned him about the coming hit. Cease was in on it too. He went outside in the cold to smoke a blunt,to alert the shooters of his arrival. Cease needs to be honest. Those people are all gone now.
Pac didn't put big on. That's stupid. Yall act like he was in the outlaws.
@@larrystilltheeman39 so how did it work?… You trying to tell me Pac was coming to the studio to meet Big in the first place and he wasn’t booked for a session? Because I’ve never heard Pac say he was going to the studio to meet Big 🤔
So what, pac deserved to get dissed in a song by biggie ! All the shit Tupac kept up, he deserved a severe diss track !
With a remix and a bunch of interviews talking sh*t about Tupac.
Does anybody know what caliber was used at the quad studio shooting?
Biggie should’ve went to Prison and cleared things up. Sometimes communication is key
Or pac should have simply not messed with those shady dudes. Him thinking Biggie had anything whatsoever to do with it is just silly
@@ezumaokoronkwo1065 Simple as that… These dudes wanted everyone around Pac to treat him like a adolescent 😂🤣… Pac was a grown ass man
@@ezumaokoronkwo1065 Exactly
yeah biggie got time for droppin who shot ya but didnt manage time to see pac in jail what a fked up relation
Big didn’t visit or put money on his books. He didn’t love Pac that much. I see why Pac lost respect for him.
Biggie was all about living his best life... he had no idea about Puff's right hand man's (Jimmy Henchmen) personal vendetta with Pac.
What was the vendetta??
He's from NY
Rest in peace Tupac condolence to the family your soul live on
He skipped the part when Pac went upstairs after getting shot
Guess he forgot
He didn’t skip over it.. he said he got back on the elevator & went up & told biggie.. biggie told him to stay there, they stayed there for 15-20 mins..
So if they stayed upstairs in a different studio. How would they see Pac go up? He later says while we’re outside they bring him out.. which means Pac was somewhere in the building.
Dudes not worthy of the information or interview his whole persona is negativity all bro knows is he say she say
Why didn't these dudes try and talk to pac personally when pac thought these dudes set him up?
Why would biggie have to school him about New York when PAC grew up most of his early life in New York? Cease ....🤔
Its strange that he was looking out of window it that moment.
He was at the balcony smoking...He saw Pac who was already in his way to meet Jimmy at quad..
@@lesdasniper9298
There no balcony there
Art u mis speaking Pac never said biggie didn't come to see him in jail bro. Where did that come from? Pac was mad cuz big was in the streets. He thought that big shoulda told him who did it. Not tgat he had anything to fo with it. That in conjunction with tupac feeling he gave alot of game to biggie and big took some style and ideas from pac. That's why he was dissing him. In the art of war it tells u to bury anyone coming up that could be a threat to your success. That's what he did. And he felt fine because he felt betrayed.
Unfortunately there's rules to the game, so even if Lil Cease knows some shit he can't be on TH-cam airing shit out, there's no benefit for some one to do that
Lil cease keeping it real. Biggie was looking out for pac he can't tell when something's going to happen Tupac shouldn't have been talking after that rape case he was talking about some gangsters about their involvement in that case to and stuff got sticky that's facts cuz!!
Because what pac was saying about them being feds was true be smart
@@champureturns227 Tupac Shakur been speaking on that rape case all in front of the camera he was saying some stuff about them gangsters they didn't like. You can't blame biggie when you got other stuff going on facts cuz !!
Tupac getting shot at the quad had nothing to do with no rape case.
I know Cease be wishing he was never smoking with Nino on the balcony that night 😂
Lol right
Art should’ve asked him why did Pac say Biggie & his crew left guns in his room
he asked him that. Look for the previous video. He said he didnt know nothing about it
In who’s room? I don’t get that part and what is that implying?
@@MDrepresentah Pac said they left guns in his hotel room nd he took that case for them
Art are you gonna ask him about Biggie's music there are alot of questions I have especially about his colaboration with Michael Jackson which no one seems to bring up, I have questions about his motivation behind Niggas Bleed and Somebody got to die cmon now Biggie and Pac where both great artists outside of the beef
Pac was upset because he thought since Big was considered the “king” of New York, he should have knew or should have told Pac who was responsible for the shooting.
This shit is like a Shakespeare play. A lot of misunderstandings and fate.
Do you realize how much of a ridiculous idea that is?
Was 2pac actually an Incan Chief or an Italian philosopher??
Was MC Hammer out here building houses? Lol no
Because it’s a rap moniker they’re RAPPERS! Lol
Pac just used that to try and humiliate Big and naive Tupac Stans ran with it smh
I saw that Pac interview. A bit dumb of Pac to believe what rappers say about their street cred
King of New York as far as rap. Not the streets. Pac knew how big NYC is. The borough of Brooklyn is almost bigger than the city of Los Angeles. (Not county). Biggie barely controlled his own block. So that excuse is lame.
@@wheelerwon well he was half right, Gene Deal said jimmy henchman told Andre harell and puff that he was gonna rob pac
Why is cease denying everything this man is asking him knowing full work this man did his homework and knows and he’s acting like he don’t wanna be there. I don’t believe shit what he says now
This guy's story keeps changing!! I remember when he said Pac was only shot twice. Said Long Kiss Goodnight was a Pac diss. Now he's backtracking. Lame dude..
Because Pac's dumbass shot himself
@@wahrheit9794 Pac wasn't a street dude. So he was moving reckless. Pac was also on some clown shI't. If anybody with a heart was absolutely positive that somebody almost had them killed, they're not making a diss record and they aren't talking about it publicly. Fake azz gangsta. I do love his music though.
@@wahrheit9794 I saidl, Pac wasn''t a street dude. If he knew in his heart Biggie set him up he was a coward to not do anything about it but make a diss record. In that case, Pac was also a snitch that shot himself.
@@deman19901 exactly
@@wahrheit9794 Pac was the coward. Big tried to talk things out in attlanta at JD's birthday party,but Pac was a coward. So he left things up to Suge 🤡
Dude didn’t listen carefully to that Pac interview with Sway. Pac said Biggie told him don’t hang around the dude who ended up shooting him. Why Pac asked him why Biggie said he couldn’t tell him right then and would tell him later. But they never talked before the shooting.
Bigg didn't know that shit was going down. Pac was Madd at first but realized bigg had nothing to do with that..he felt betrayed
How do you know?
These niggas was little kids I use to give money to get on the train at night to go home, little cease and dem- 2pac
Pac didn’t have to take that gun charge them them but he did. I would have never done that for them. Pac was too nice and loyal.
Bigge was too nice and loyal he didn't have to visit him on hospital but he did.
What was he gonna do,Snitch?
@@LARK-ht7kd Nice to who? He beat on lil Kim and he sneak dissed Pac. He wasn’t loyal to them at all. That’s why faith was tired of him and got with Pac for revenge and I don’t blame faith at all.
@@shesbaldbutiwould I could care less about some ghetto snitching code.
This the 90's were talking about not 2022. If he would've snitched everything would've been different.
What Cease didn’t say was that the “thing” Pac left that Biggie wanted to bring to him was his gun that he stashed in the piano at Quad before the police got there.
He also forgot when Pac went upstairs (see Puffs recollection)
@@reodagreo7637
They weren’t in the same room
First cop on the scene of the shooting was also the first cop on the scene of 2Pac's sexual assault.
You gotta respect pacs feelings on this pac is right biggie knew the shooter had nothin to do with who knew what was gone happen but why cant you tell me after what happen
How did you know pac was coming? Look how keeps going on about not knowing he was coming... he keeps repeating that. Why would you be looking out the window?
Yeah Cease, you came down and got him alright 🙄
Biggie was making more money off their fued than with pac dead. Lets be real. Even if biggie became friends with pac again theyd continue the public fued just to make more. So why did biggie set him up? Biggie was on the same level and people argued who was better so it wasnt jealousy. He had no reason. But alot of other rappers did have a reason
I heard that jimmy henceman set the whole shit up
Same every gjetto
Make sense sayn biggie was telling him watch who u hangin out with makes sense
He should've warned him not to come to that studio to get shot up.
lil Cease nows summit eles
Both of these artist died because the ppl they were around were 🐍 & jealous....be careful who you trust especially if they appear to be your ticket to success...
Biggie went to the hospital to take him something he left lol I mess wit cease for that #ifyouknowyouknow
Lil Cease is cleeeaarrly lying wow
Lil Cease is not believable. I'm sorry.
They should have been mad as fk Seeing that if that was your bor and you were trying to smoke his green and some1 robs them I'd be strapped up going outside
Im Smoking Weed with Tupac
LITTLE CEASE IS LYING !!;!
He asked the question wrong...awful question..pac didn't say what the interviewer said.. that's irresponsible.
I wish Art should have asked Cease about Dexter Issac
It is what it was rip boys
I wonder if someone is in his ear telling him what to say. His pauses take to long like he’s kit processing the question it’s like he’s waiting for a response to the Question
He probably didn't know but Big did for sure.
So this interview before or after he did the interview with stretch brother? Because if it's after he not being truthful on what he knows from Pacs people and what was said when they came to see him.
Snitch
This whole situation was far bigger than Big and Lil Ceez. Problem is Big never admitted to that.
It’s good to see here and overstand with the young man is saying a legend and humble and respectful salute
The ending is funny 😂 you put him on blast about Biggie saying Pac got hit once.. he wasn’t expecting that 😂 he was forced to say Biggie was lying and Pac did get shot more then once.. great journalism Art!
Lol
No matter how any one tries to spin rumor, it will always be just that. Pac has no medical report from a hospital or trauma center. The only report he provided was one from a doctor that stated vaguely that he suffered 5 bullet wounds. Dexter Isaac said his hitters said they did not fire they’re guns, and Pac and his man got hit trying to wrestle his gun out of his waist. Stretch said he only remembers one shot. Zayd said him and Pac both ran outside the quad to see if they could catch up. The only reason Pac ran into the elevator was because there cops parked outside of Quad, and the saw him screaming at people about where the goons ran to, while waving his gun. Pac did not know he was shot till he reached the studio and tried to sit down. People in the studio alerted him to the blood on his back. Do your research, vh1 and TH-cam may not cut it. ✌🏿
@@tonewopn8275 It's hard to face this, cold world on a good day
When will they let the little kids in the hood play?
I got shot five times but I'm still breathin'
Livin' proof there's a God if you need a reason
BIG was probably saying that he got shot once b/c Pac shot himself and Nichols with the same bullet while pulling for his gun.
@@tonewopn8275 There’s so many things wrong in this comment lol.
Seems to me like Pac was warned to watch the guys he was moving with and when he got hit,he expected BIG to inherit his beef and ride for him cause it's his city 🙅🏾♂️🙅🏾♂️ nah I warned and you acted like you knew what you was doing.My personal opinion is that he felt more betrayed that BIG wouldn't apply pressure for him or crash out for him rather than actually blaming him for setting him up
I agree also the fact that he did not visit him in jail.
@@chipwilliams6236 Big tried to visit him in the hospital though. Pac's Dad even confirms that.
@@chipwilliams6236 I think Bigg had a felony on his record I doubt felons can go visit suspects in jail!
Puffy own bodyguard said when Who Shot Ya came out, EVERYONE thought it was about Pac. Son did some shady shit with his boss and got punished for it on wax 🤷🏽♂️
Big died innocently man Miss you Big
The lil catholic boy could do no wrong.
@@pcangeldust PAc got everyone who he did wrong, talking the truth about the real pac who was just a theatrical sensitive liar. He caused lives to be lost because of his ignorance towards our culture. Even his own family exposed him. Biggie was not grimey or snakish like pac was and even suge was getting tired of him. LOL
Shouldn’t have released long kiss goodnight , definitely shouldn’t have Rapped it on a LA studio
@@rafaelc9299 PAc should have never released Agaisnt All odd dissing Biggies friend Stretch who was dead. The LA freestyle was 8 days before Biggie was murdered which was instigated by Sway. Biggie was killed by a professional hitman in kahoots with the LAPD. The FBI has that case still open.
😂😂😂
People don’t understand, multiple sessions would be going on and you may not know who is recording in the other rooms.
Didn't know that, but it makes sense since quad means 4.
@@kobiecamp1134 That that you say that, 4 also means quad.
I thought it was called Quad because Richard McQuad started the studio?
@@universalconquest4447 Richard Mcquad?
From a 1999 article: "There is something genuinely comforting about walking into Quad Recording Studios after leaving the hustle of 7th Avenue ten floors below. The wood is worn and warm, the rooms are generally spacious by New York standards, and the vibe reflects the sense of creative fun and down-home work ethic of the five-room facility’s owner, Lou Gonzalez.
Make no mistake, Quad is Lou Gonzalez. He will speak freely and humbly of his stellar staff and the talented people he “has the opportunity to work with,” but the comfort level begins at the top. Born in Queens, Gonzalez “ran away” to work on a farm in Maine. He milked cows, baled hay and learned to drive on a Farm-All tractor, pulling a hay wagon. After getting an EE degree at the University of Maine, he returned to New York and engineered for radio. Stints as a staff engineer, Broadway engineer and jack-of-all-trades maintenance tech followed, and 22 years ago he opened Quad as a one-room facility, largely financed by a Sesame Street album"
The irony of Biggie telling Tupac to be mindful of his surroundings in NYC, because its a not like Cali... Someone should have told Tupac the same shit about Cali.
Actually Ice-T did warn Pac about not getting into gang shit. Pac didnt listen though. Ice-T told this in an interview.
But im pretty sure more LA OG's warned Pac about it.
It’s Tupac. He was too reckless and his death is his own fault. It sucks because he was talented but he brought upon his own demise. No one’s fault but his own.
Pac was hardheaded and did not listen to anyone who tried to advise him better.
THEY DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Biggie gets blamed yet Lil Shawn the guy that was used as the bait to lure Pac to the studio remains blameless
Because biggie was Tupac’s close friend and he felt betrayed by him, lil Shawn was just some nigga that pac was goin to do a song for , pac didn’t know him like that, but Tupac did diss lil Shawn in a song called him vs her or sum like that with storm
@@zone6eastside672 Biggie was the same friend that told him to be careful with his affiliations admitted by Pac himself so nah miss me with that if somebody shoots me im not gonna take it out on people that had nothing to do with it im going right at the cats that did it also if we talk about who would be guilty of setting up someone I would believe that the artist that was meant to record with me would be on the top of the list with Jimmy not my friend who had no idea I was going to the studio
2Pac always hated Little Shawn too
@kman nigga u read it
@@MoonwalkerKing-gc5jm bruh I’m just goin off on what Tupac said it ain’t got nun to do on how I “feel” about the situation so miss me with yo opinion about it , I wasn’t around back then
5:10 Art got quiet real quick thats what happens when you gloss over contradictions, Art also left out the part in Sway's interview in which Pac literally said Biggie warned him about those guys yet he didnt say Pac said that he changed it in to a question "is it true Biggie warned him?" When the majority of the time when Pac says something he always says "Well Pac said", "Well Pac felt" notice how he didnt say Pac said that because he knew it would contradict Pac own statements that he told prior in that same interview cmon now Art stop the bias because while Cease is trying to deflect on alot of shit atleast he dosent seem like he is looking to attack Pac if anything he wants to move on and respect the memory of both of them while Art is just looking to make Biggie the villain this is not an interview bruh this looks like a bias interrogation and a prosecution combined 🙄🙄
Facts
Finally! Somebody noticed! 💯💯
he low key sneek dissed pac several times during this interview
@@Wiseone123 Thats a major reach if anything Art has been dissing the whole interview
Exactly 😒 how and when did Pac and Big have this convo about the quad studios shooting.. dude is beating a dead horse at this point and I don’t see what other subjects he could ever cover after dedicating and investigating “Def Row” as much as he has
I must’ve heard and seen this story re-enacted a thousand times now and it finally donned on me that Big didn’t set Pac up. I mean, why would he send his man Cease to meet Pac downstairs knowing Pac was about to get stuck up? Better yet, why the f**k would Big let it be known that they were at Quad Studio the same night that they allegedly knew Pac was about to get robbed when their whole code or whatever is “Bad boys move in silence.” Let it go, y’all. Big had nothing to do with this. Case closed
Pac never said that BIG set him up
Pac NEVER said biggie set him up though
Most people already knew this. More people were questioning Stretch involvement
Where do people get this notion that pac said biggie set him up.. he literally spoke on this lol
Pac never said biggie set him up u need to go to pacs last interviews with sway and rob Mariot
If you notice Tupac and his defenders always talk about how Tupac felt. Everything was how he felt at the time. Which means he didn't care if what he felt was wrong or not. He just acted and spoke without facts. Just feelings.
In the Angie Martinez interview she asked Pac if he ever did anything wrong.
"I did a lot of shit wrong. Probably half the sh it I did is wrong. I believe in my heart I was doing it for the right reasons. It might turnout wrong. Only reason is because I aint had no training."
Yet these stans want to take Tupac words/feelings as the gospel. A young and wild dude constantly smoking weed and being paranoid.
biggie was a young dude constantly smoking weed and being paranoid too. In an interview big said he always be thinking someone trying to kill him
@@Wiseone123
Are you really trying compare Biggie saying he thinks someone trying to kill him vs Tupac going on rampages against people because he felt like this or that was (not that it was) true?🤣🤣🤣
Typical illogical Tupac stan shit.🤷♂️
@@Wiseone123
Numerous ppl died behind Pac and his paranoid delusions
Get at me when the same can be said for Biggie…
Facts they don't hold pac accountability at all
@@Synchronite Pac died behind Biggie
According to the questions ,It seems like the art of dialogue blame BIG for Pac demised
The questions are extremely biased
More like an interrogation instead of an interview
From Tupac stepbrother to Treach from naughty by nature they all say Tupac overreacted towards BIG by blaming him.
I'm sorry to tell the art of dialogue that Tupac did and said a lot of dumb shit in 96
@@eddycherestal8208 Facts
@@eddycherestal8208 put yourself in that man's shoes. That young with what seems like the world against you. How would you act/feel
@@cojack636 Pac knew the guys that shot him and he use to hang out with them, after the altercation, they let it be known they were the one who try to rob him .
He continue with that nonsense blaming biggie because the East Coast West Coast beef was generated a lot of money for death row a lot of record sale was based of the East Coast and West Coast beef.
@@cojack636 Biggie told his mother that he ran into to Tupac before he died and told him" yo, chill! what's up with you? stop it" Tupac replied yo "I'm trying to make my money man"
The Art of Dialogue is so good at conducting old school hop hop interviews that they are able to talk about the same subject 80% of the time whilst still keeping us all entertained.
There's too many other hip hop platforms out there whose hosts are so corny and irritating. No one does it better than these guys.
Thank you for all your content, and what's coming in the future.
Pac was saying in interviews if big is the king of ny or in the streets/Brooklyn he would know something beforehand or after to tell him. Or ride for him
He warned Pac about who he was running around with! Lil Shawn said BIG was robbed for telling Pac about who he was running with because Pac went back and mentioned what Big told him. I love Pac as a fan, but maybe out of him being so young he did alot of foul reckless shit towards BIG.
Big started shit too by getting on the radio in NYC sending threats, when the dogg pound was there and there trailer got shot up in NYC @jaykristian745
Both pac and big made mistakes
oh thats what he said? so he a baby and need someone to watch out for him? a MAN take accountability for his own actions. REAL MEN dont cry and play victim when their own actions bring consequences. KNOW THE DIFFERENCE before you follow an entertainment artist with complete loyalty or you'll look like a fool
@@gnarlydude2419 he took accountability for what happen. it doesn't make you a baby or less of a man, if you have friends and family looking out for you/giving you advice. Nobody done it alone.
@@TRILLTALKTV no he didnt take accountability. you think dry snitching is taking accountability? whats your problem? the homie started dry snitching immediately. implicating dudes immediately. what gangsta do that? turning on your homies because you embarrassed. do you know how WEAK that is? you supposed to stand tall and take it on the chin and then if you ever see them fools again, then you let em know that they made a huge mistake. you dont break down like a little girl and start crying about who didnt ...what is he a man or a little boy? you came to NY on ya ish, and you had on ya jewels, and you was flexing like you usually do, drawing attention to yourself because thats what you do, so you made yourself a target. nobody else did that you!! now you wanna blame everybody else because you think this aint supposed to happen to "a thug". that tells you right there that he aint no thug!!!!! because EVERY thug will tell you that ANYBODY can get caught pissin in the alley sort of speech. c'mon man all that crying? somehow yall equate that with being gangsta. i dont get it! lol im over here laughin like crazy because i dont see where crying like a bich made you a gangsta. i dont know. and he dry snitchin???? im lost dog. sad thing is, BIG remained that man true friend til he couldnt anymore and all BIG get is disrespect from all you pac fans, and the reason for that is because PAC made it that way by poisoning the well. everytime he talked he wanna diss BIg so all yall know how to do is diss BIG. BIG was cool. PAC was on the bull ish. but Pac had to find out the hard way. BIG got hit from jealousy and conspiracy. Pac got himself killed from starting bull ish with the wrong person
You and every body should have know watch out who you mess with you're not untouchable I don't care how tough you are you can be touched no matter how bad you are always someone better
Rest in peace Biggie Small condolence to the family your soul live on
Lil cease is a real one! Thank God him, faith, Kim & all the real one still alive to set the record straight cause this media getting everybody brainwashed from the truth!
nobody is brainwashed from any truth, it was some funny business going on with big and puff and that whole badboy camp, and pac knew it, that's why he called them out💯
Big had nothing to do with it nor any prior knowledge. Pac even blamed the A-team at one point, but it was Jimmy Henchmen. Henchmen nor Haitian Jack had no connection with the A-team accept being from Brooklyn, but they were from East NY and Jack and Henchmen were from Flatbush. Pac was just paranoid getting bad information, he was even blaming King Tut, who was booked at the time. But I believe he knew Big had nothing to do with it but was an easy target. He didn't go at the real culprits until he had Deathrow and the Pirus behind him
Wrong: Pac was pissed at the fact that BIG ran in the same circles as the niggas who did it(Henchmen's crew or Haitian Jack's from what I read) and didn't tell Pac who was involved after it went down. The truth is Pac was very impulsive and use those guys as character study for his role as "Birdie" in Above The Rim. BIG may have warned him perhaps, but the Brooklyn/East NY connection between all of those guys just made everything look suspect
@@elijahstraight402 this just isnt true.
@@elijahstraight402 Biggie did not hang out with Haitian Jack or Jimmy. He knew who they were tho!! Mike Tyson grew up and hung out with them. Mike warned PAC about them too. Pac did not listen. Mike is still friends with Jack and Tut till this day. And it’s bugged out that Pac died after a Mike Tyson fight.
@@elijahstraight402 what you read 😑. Bro Pac was going off bad rumors Big wasn’t running with Jack or Henchmen those were OGs almost 10 years older than him and from a different part of Brooklyn. Henchmen may have been trying to press Puff to do business, but Puff had some get busy boys around him. Pac got hit because he wasn’t very streetwise unfortunately, he was from the ghetto but moved around too much to be entrenched in one particular culture because politics are different everywhere. Big tried to warn him about how grimy some BK cats can be but Pac didn’t listen
@@oredi2159 How would you know? We're you part of either of their inner circles? I got off what I've read and researched unfortunately because I didn't know anyone who were associated with Henchmen or Haitian Jack. More or less anyone outta their crew. I said Big knew guys that knew both of THEM. That's what I meant about BIG running in the same circles as both gangstas. Granted he tried to warn Pac because Pac wasn't aligned with either of them
Wait a minute, 2pac literally says in his sway interview he gets in the elevator and everyone upstairs looked at him like he was a ghost! He said sway I can’t describe it you have to experience it for your self! So what is cease saying we only saw him downstairs but then says heard shots upstairs then big went down then the police came the scenario doesn’t make sense!
2Pac said repeated himself he got shot 5 times. It's literally everywhere. I'm taking his word. He's not known to be a liar.
not known to be a liar??????? lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Notice even Big Entourage are being interviewed about Tupac..Tupac is talked about more than any other Rapper and he has been gone for 27 years
The diehard Pac Stans have to stop with the conspiracy that Biggie knew Pac was going to get robbed.
I don't think biggie knew but the fact he warned 2pac about the dudes he was hanging with I can understand why 2pac felt there was something big did know about the overall situations.
🤣🤣 you biggie Stans are ignorant af…after pac died your man damn near admits to knowing about both shootings on long kiss good night …but I guess you’ll take lil cease ‘s word for it that it wasn’t about Pac right ? which contradicts himself when he admitted in XXl that long kiss was about PAC🤦🏾♂️
Big and puffy were snakes who thought they were bad boys who “move in silence”
On long kiss goodnight Biggie admits / damn near boasts about knowing and his people being involved in both of pac’s shootings. Cmon now stop it
@@3rdGenerationCancer nobody cares what Pac haters like you think
If I’m sick of hearing this I can only imagine how much cease is sick of it. Seriously.
Pac was a Gemini, generally Geminis don't get too overly emotional but with Pac not having a stable father figure present and being raised by a single mother( stepfather in prison ) Pac seemed to go on feelings rather than facts and was highly emotional which can cloud ones judgment. I know, because as a man I've had episodes to where my judgment was questionable being I was being emotional rather than calm and rational; I'd have to check myself after the fact or be checked.
Maybe I misspoke on that Quad situation. Maybe Pac was right about Cease and Bigg being in on it. Up until the Quad incident Bigg and Pac were still cool but Pac and Puff had tension beneath the surface.
i dont believe in Zodiac Signs..i believe in destiny..God is real..and only nothing but truth will be revealed in the day of judgment.
All that zodiac shit is cap, biggie and mike tyson warned him about the people in ny and he didn't listen PERIOD
Art of dialog I'm starting to see you as the problem..
Tupac new who shot him, he did nothing to Jimmy Henchmen, he just went after BIG....SMH ....but Pac fans just wanna sh#t on BIG name
Cease caught Pac in one of his many lies. 😂 Pac knew Tut shot him. Pac was hanging with informants.
Which lie did he catch pac in?
Come on say it so i can quote pac to refute you and cease
Huh
@@jundean5292 if biggie didn’t see him in the hospital or jail & they didn’t speak after. How did he ask him anything?
@@quandadon5882 if you listen to what Pac said
He said "I asked Big what happened, and biggie said I LL TELL YOU WHEN I COME SEE YOU, and pac replied no tell me"
This shows pac and biggie werent speaking face to face as biggie said I WILL COME SEE YOU
So it could have been a phone call
Its the interview where Pac says he said to biggie "what happened"
@@dexterisaccs545 yes this is one thing
But pac in the interview waa clearly speakinh about after getting shot he asked big "what happened"
This guy is the new VladTV
Point Blank Period.. Big & Pac was Small Time compared to Jimmy Henchman & Haitian Jack Crew.. It was above Big Pay Grade in 93'94
No but another dude got shot with pac, and he had a viscous crew, so it was gonna be a war
They didn't find Pac guilty and why didn't BIG show up when he was locked up and why would BIG say watch your surroundings as if Pac doesn't know NYC dude is literally from NYC give me a break, but I don't think BIG set him up I think Puff did, BIG may have known what was going on though that night.
BIG didn't know because he would've tipped Pac off about the hit if he did imo. I do agree about Puffy knowing something though.
Pac is from NY.. He knew betta.. Pac & Big was small time compared To Jimmy H & Haitian Jack
You're right Gene Deal said jimmy henchman told Andre harell and puff that he was gonna spank pac, but I can see the confusion pac figured if puff knew Big had to
Outside of his cappin about Long kiss goodnight, his story has remained consistent
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He also lied about Biggie quote " Was downstairs for almost 15 - 20 minutes". All that drama when Pac got shot while big was down stairs for 15 minutes??? You mean the Stick Up kids had enough time to eat McDonalds and nap before peeling out?? Lol! He than goes on to say nn Vladtv that he only heard one shot which was the Pac inflicted on himself. Here he says Nino heard " shots" not a shot when heading downstairs at Quad. Buttttt I get it.....Lil Sleaze is still willing to lie which is precisely what pissed off Pac back than when he said these nikkaz is doing the detective work by saying he only got shot once. No one at Quad wanted to appear as a Dry snitcher because they know additional shots heard implies more guns, more shooters, etc.. other at a crime scene. So imagine some dudes just took your life after getting shots several times and the people you know say otherwise. All this while u in jail and being falsely accused of rape. Puff could've bailed out Pac just like Suge did. You think he gave a damn? Lol!
How you know?..was you there? Matter of fact was you born at that time 🤣
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“HE LIED AND YALL WORSHIP HIM” 😭 😂
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Shut your ignorance ass up.
Big wasn’t innocent. Pac never blamed big for what happened. But if you listen to an interview of big telling what happened that day. He tells it as if he doesn’t like pac or ever did like him. He said “they weren’t going to kill him it was just a robbery. Pac went for his gun. It went off everyone started shooting. They pistol whipped him a few times. He comes up stairs and is out of it. You know when your shot you don’t know what’s going on. He thought he was living a movie all the time “. Cool. The only people who knows the story is pac stretch and the robbers. Who told biggie the story in a way that makes pac look like a sucka. And why did he repeat it in the same way. If it was a misunderstanding it could have been easily handled trying to contact pac while he left the hospital and while he was in jail. Big could have easily went to see pac at any point and have that conversation. Instead he didn’t he allowed it to bubble over until it was war. I don’t blame pac or biggie. I blame the man who set pac up. November 30th 94 changed the course of three men’s lives. Pac doesn’t get set up pac there’s no East vs west beef. Stretch probably still boys with pac and biggie doesn’t rob drug dealers and gets killed a year to the date of quad studios. Puffy never puts a offer out on a death row chain which means Orlando Anderson never gets jumped. Pac never gets shot in Vegas. West coast doesn’t retaliate when big comes to Cali. Biggie is still alive. That one event snowballed into history that should have never happened. They were all boys. I don’t blame them I blame Jimmy who put the hit out. Yet he’s still alive while three legends are dead. Why?
Nigga big said thts wht he heard what happen stop tryna flip the script tell me why would big still be cool with pac if pac told them Niggas big warned him about them & he got big robbed you see big never put that on was cus he knew street politics & pac didn't
Ed lover will tell u everything
If hé just woulda let pac Knowles Who ans why after quad would still be here