Who would you keep as a keeper this coming season. Full PPR Can't decide between 1. Josh Allen 2nd round 2. Travis Etienne 3rd round 3. Rachaad White 13th round 4. Trevor Lawrence 13th round
Great discussion, guys. Awesome to have Billy with us for this one.... go niners!! Laying a couple bucks on herbert having the most pass attempts on the year.
Daughter: "Daddy, guess what? I got a new job!" Father: "That's great honey. What does it entail?" D: "I go alone into the private homes & hotel rooms of men & massage them." F: hangs his head & sighs. I ain't accusing _anyone_ of any _thing_ but this whole premise is utter BS. If these situations were arranged via internet, how hard is it to put a personal &/or professional disclaimer somewhere? There is NO way this was the "first time" any woman in those situations were propositioned. So anyone claiming _that_ as if Only This Monster did this. yada-yada. I'm trying not to be cynical enough to say certain things, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
The Anthony Richardson hype is confusing to me.. how many rookie QBs in history have come in year one and been too 10. Now how good is Anthony Richardson as a prospect compare to those other guys?
How Broad does your 'S' tier have to be to include Hurts? Mahomes puts up about 80% more production _without a WR._ Lamar Jackson without a #1 WR puts up 14 more TDs than Hurts does with The Best O-Line & the #1 or 2 WR duo. _What_ has he proved so far other than it takes him two years longer than everyone else being considered just to do less? I do think he's about to move closer _to_ that status but no way has he made it yet with only 22 passing TDs under these conditions (& I refuse to consider the other ones gotten by the o-line throwing him over the goal line as genuine or even earned TDs on his part). It feels like you completely forget the importance of the Other Players when discussing QBs individually. Compare him to Fields who had no great WRs, a team that ranked last in receiver separation & one of The Worst O-lines: Hurts tossed all of _6 more_ TDs than him? *That* = "élite?" Methinks you're all giving into peer/fan pressure here. I'm a huge fan of Fields, but until he actually _does anything_ I don't thrust him up a tier based on my wishes. I understand he's in a terrible situation. I'm neither making excuses _nor_ assuming his greatness based on that though. Sorry if I sound harsh, but guys, seriously: 22 TDs isn't élite production from _anyone!_ If Derek Carr had tossed that many on this team, no one would be calling him élite. Lamar Jackson: I can't be the Only Person who recognizes that Greg Roman is either totally incompetent or was doing what he was paid to, deliberately sabotaging his chances of getting a Big Contract. Either way, that's all gone now, so it's really a matter of if his offense can keep up with _him!_
OCs make such a difference. We just saw how bad Hackett was last year, Roman's a run genius but infamously horrific at everything else. The delay penalties alone caused a ton of problems, that's not even considering the atrocious play design and spacing. Lamar's long-term health is a question mark but it'd be hard for the pass game to look noticeably better vs last year. Plus the defense and run game are elite, if they can stay healthy Bmore is a tough team
A QB rushing for 1.1k yards last year, has an elite receiving core in DJ Moore, Darnell Mooney and Chase Claypool along with a renovated OL? I think your just too low on JF1
No way does Justin Fields belong in the same tier as Jackson, Burrow, and Herbert. He's had a billion excuses, fine, and I understand the optimism now he has a better supporting cast and that he's likely improved his passing skills, but we don't know he can perform like these other guys. Until that's proven, A-tier is far too speculative.j
I had to stop watching after DBro's Dak ranking 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. He must be projecting a 6 game absence to rank him 17th. It's not like Dallas has had the #1 PPG with Dak starting the past two seasons 😙🙄 oh wait.
Must be otherwise it is a horrible take that is basically how he finished 2022 missed 5 games finished as a QB2 so this ranking makes no sense but to blow some hot air.
@@coreyburgh5831 realistically he has always been a top 10 QB on a points per game basis, and this year he might have the best/most complete team he's ever had. The only way I see him finishing below QB12 is either injury or RBs (Pollard) failing where Ezekiel excelled in pass protection.
"Oh, I'm worried about the volume" argument is weak too. If you don't understand that the massive improvement in weapons will allow the Bears to increase the passing volume then you just don't understand football.... period! Get a new guest.
@@Billy-Muzio and who was last in passing in 2021? Where did their "run first" QB finish in fantasy last year? Some coaches are rational and can change their spots. The past isn't the present, models aren't reality. Analytics only take one so far... and Mr. Moneyball himself still hasn't won a championship.
@@bradgilbert6718 Agreed. I more or less _"feel"_ good things for the Bears this year with a couple of caveats. _Can_ the coaching use this team to its fullest? & Fields leaving some wide-open receivers standing out there towards the end of the season. The semi- or subconscious (SC) seeks _patterns._ No one consciously decides to seek negativity, it just creeps in. So the three scenarios are 1) he didn't see them because he evolved an expectation that they wouldn't be there & open. 2) He puts that all behind him & moves forward. 3) Lovie Smith said "don't force it; Leave the rest to me." Hey, I didn't say that they were all *realistic* scenarios. Joking aside, I feel that Fields prefers less structure & long throws. _However_ even the addition of Moore doesn't guarantee this second thing. For this team to be successful, he has to vary it up. They added Tonyan to the TEs & maybe Scott can get open down the field as can Moore. That's a _best-case scenario_ that I hope that the coaches go for. Why? Because 2 deep threats with Mooney who likes run-back routes (interviews) with TEs who can block, fake block & receive mid-field with RBs who can block, run & receive gives them _SO much_ ability to stretch the field it won't matter if that makes it impossible for Fields to get through all his reads & misses some Golden Opportunities. Because, as you said, "60.4 % of 550 is more than of 399." & if those are longer passes, this compounds. Hack, Fields *not* going after those receivers down-field might be a _good sign_ that he won't force things. Who knows? This team's ceiling is what? Immeasurable. I expect them to make the playoffs. Having the Vikings (with no D) & the Packers in their division should help.
Sorry, Joe. Philly is not a class above everyone else in the NFC. At least not that far above the Niners. No one wants to talk about it of course but their schedule last season was cupcakes. The NFCC Game was the most ridiculous thing we have ever seen. If they weren't forced to play Johnson (still makes me sick) that game would have been much different. Even the play he was hurt he was going to Aiyuk who was streaking open on a crosser and had the ball made it, would have been a TD. It was 14-7 at the end of the first half and before that turd fumble a shotgun snap giving them the ball back to score on an already gassed defense again. Philly got lucky, plain and simple.
San-Fran _is_ #2 & *can* beat Philly. But I wouldn't put $ on that. As an aside, I have very low confidence in both HCs. I think that Andy Reid exposed that Sirianni can't make in-game adjustments. As for Shanhan, I feel I need to mention that before this past season ('22) I hadn't watched the NFL for years. So I didn't know he was the architect behind Atlanta's blowing that infamous 28-3 lead. Shanahan _still shuts down_ his entire offense if he's up two scores in the second half. It's as if he think this is hockey & that the team can't play both. The good news(?) is that there's very little chance that the 49ers go _up_ two scores against Philly if they meet in the playoffs. That's also the _bad_ news.
Niners are a great roster. I'm cautious though about their QB situation and league adjustments to Purdy. That ALWAYS happens. But I love the debate Jimmy!
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Rafi from the league is giving good advice
You never had a toilet hot dog?
Lol! First I’ve been called Rafi. That’s hilarious
😂😂😂😂
Ah, I miss Ravi and the League.
I was just coming here to say Muzio is in full Rafi right now 😂
Ridgerunner17,Great guests & debates. TY
The yu yu Hakusho demon ranking system still stands tall😂😂
Who would you keep as a keeper this coming season. Full PPR
Can't decide between
1. Josh Allen 2nd round
2. Travis Etienne 3rd round
3. Rachaad White 13th round
4. Trevor Lawrence 13th round
Great discussion, guys. Awesome to have Billy with us for this one.... go niners!! Laying a couple bucks on herbert having the most pass attempts on the year.
You went with the B99 reference, but the same actor was in The League; a show about fantasy football lol
Ayyye! 🔥🔥
I just really dont want Deshaun to ever suceed
Mf hater
Desaulter for two broken femurs!
Daughter: "Daddy, guess what? I got a new job!"
Father: "That's great honey. What does it entail?"
D: "I go alone into the private homes & hotel rooms of men & massage them."
F: hangs his head & sighs.
I ain't accusing _anyone_ of any _thing_ but this whole premise is utter BS. If these situations were arranged via internet, how hard is it to put a personal &/or professional disclaimer somewhere? There is NO way this was the "first time" any woman in those situations were propositioned. So anyone claiming _that_ as if Only This Monster did this. yada-yada.
I'm trying not to be cynical enough to say certain things, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
The Anthony Richardson hype is confusing to me.. how many rookie QBs in history have come in year one and been too 10. Now how good is Anthony Richardson as a prospect compare to those other guys?
As a Ravens fan, I was evil villain laughing like a maniac during DBro's Lamar rant. Y'all ain't ready 💪
I’m all in on Lamar this year gonna be fun
I’ve had a rule. If I take Amari Cooper I take desean watson otherwise I take QBs in the clump
Does anyone know that philly lost 8 starters to free agency from last year and replaced them with rookies and so so talent
Hey Joe P would you take Saint Brown over AJ Brown?
Full PPR St Brown, half point AJ Brown
@@guitarninjarick8179 no 😂😂😂😂😂
In PPR I would take Amon-Ra, half or standard AJ. But man it's close.
@@joepisapia9229 Thank you for your response. I’m a big fan of the show, won my league riding with Hurts last year because of you guys.
@@gregagustin2406 awesome Greg! Appreciate you being part of the show. Now, we make it back to back!
Burrow is S tier
thats 36, not 40 lol
DBro needs to let the guests speak too
I’d like to see how the list changes in a 6 point league
What is a 6 point league
@@joseyjenkins6049 6 points per passing touchdown
Did you say “Hurts is one of the best QBs you’ve ever seen”? What?
We were comparing mahomes and hurts. I said mahomes was the best I’ve seen and was my number 1.
My bad, I agree.
Purdy getting ranked in the d and f tier lol 50:26
How Broad does your 'S' tier have to be to include Hurts? Mahomes puts up about 80% more production _without a WR._ Lamar Jackson without a #1 WR puts up 14 more TDs than Hurts does with The Best O-Line & the #1 or 2 WR duo. _What_ has he proved so far other than it takes him two years longer than everyone else being considered just to do less?
I do think he's about to move closer _to_ that status but no way has he made it yet with only 22 passing TDs under these conditions (& I refuse to consider the other ones gotten by the o-line throwing him over the goal line as genuine or even earned TDs on his part).
It feels like you completely forget the importance of the Other Players when discussing QBs individually. Compare him to Fields who had no great WRs, a team that ranked last in receiver separation & one of The Worst O-lines: Hurts tossed all of _6 more_ TDs than him? *That* = "élite?"
Methinks you're all giving into peer/fan pressure here.
I'm a huge fan of Fields, but until he actually _does anything_ I don't thrust him up a tier based on my wishes. I understand he's in a terrible situation. I'm neither making excuses _nor_ assuming his greatness based on that though. Sorry if I sound harsh, but guys, seriously: 22 TDs isn't élite production from _anyone!_ If Derek Carr had tossed that many on this team, no one would be calling him élite.
Lamar Jackson: I can't be the Only Person who recognizes that Greg Roman is either totally incompetent or was doing what he was paid to, deliberately sabotaging his chances of getting a Big Contract. Either way, that's all gone now, so it's really a matter of if his offense can keep up with _him!_
OCs make such a difference. We just saw how bad Hackett was last year, Roman's a run genius but infamously horrific at everything else. The delay penalties alone caused a ton of problems, that's not even considering the atrocious play design and spacing. Lamar's long-term health is a question mark but it'd be hard for the pass game to look noticeably better vs last year. Plus the defense and run game are elite, if they can stay healthy Bmore is a tough team
One day y’all gonna listen to my boy DBro when he speaks on Justin Fields name … Fields to the Moon 🚀
😂
And Purdy has resumed throwing as of last week.
Too High on Bustin Fields.
A QB rushing for 1.1k yards last year, has an elite receiving core in DJ Moore, Darnell Mooney and Chase Claypool along with a renovated OL? I think your just too low on JF1
Elite receiving core...... 🤣😭
More weapons, better line, rushing upside, division is weak defensively and strong offensively so higher scoring games. Where do I sign up?
No way does Justin Fields belong in the same tier as Jackson, Burrow, and Herbert. He's had a billion excuses, fine, and I understand the optimism now he has a better supporting cast and that he's likely improved his passing skills, but we don't know he can perform like these other guys. Until that's proven, A-tier is far too speculative.j
Wasn’t he top 5 last year with literally the worst/cheapest offensive cast in the league last year?
@@embee9936 mostly because of two outlier games
I had to stop watching after DBro's Dak ranking 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. He must be projecting a 6 game absence to rank him 17th. It's not like Dallas has had the #1 PPG with Dak starting the past two seasons 😙🙄 oh wait.
Must be otherwise it is a horrible take that is basically how he finished 2022 missed 5 games finished as a QB2 so this ranking makes no sense but to blow some hot air.
Low end QB1 to high end QB2 for Dak. So somewhere in the QB10-14 is where I see him ending up
@@coreyburgh5831 realistically he has always been a top 10 QB on a points per game basis, and this year he might have the best/most complete team he's ever had. The only way I see him finishing below QB12 is either injury or RBs (Pollard) failing where Ezekiel excelled in pass protection.
@@BBkoala777 Exactly, Dak finished almost exactly where Russel Wilson did despite playing in 3 fewer games.
@@FattonyOC I don't think of it as much of a slight to him as much as others just look to be in a more favorable environment to have a ton of points
"Oh, I'm worried about the volume" argument is weak too. If you don't understand that the massive improvement in weapons will allow the Bears to increase the passing volume then you just don't understand football.... period! Get a new guest.
Even with a 10% increase in efficiency and pass attempts they are still bottom 3 in the league. 15% equals bottom 4. Some teams are just run first.
@@Billy-Muzio and who was last in passing in 2021? Where did their "run first" QB finish in fantasy last year? Some coaches are rational and can change their spots. The past isn't the present, models aren't reality. Analytics only take one so far... and Mr. Moneyball himself still hasn't won a championship.
@@bradgilbert6718 Agreed. I more or less _"feel"_ good things for the Bears this year with a couple of caveats. _Can_ the coaching use this team to its fullest? & Fields leaving some wide-open receivers standing out there towards the end of the season.
The semi- or subconscious (SC) seeks _patterns._ No one consciously decides to seek negativity, it just creeps in. So the three scenarios are 1) he didn't see them because he evolved an expectation that they wouldn't be there & open. 2) He puts that all behind him & moves forward. 3) Lovie Smith said "don't force it; Leave the rest to me."
Hey, I didn't say that they were all *realistic* scenarios. Joking aside, I feel that Fields prefers less structure & long throws. _However_ even the addition of Moore doesn't guarantee this second thing. For this team to be successful, he has to vary it up.
They added Tonyan to the TEs & maybe Scott can get open down the field as can Moore. That's a _best-case scenario_ that I hope that the coaches go for.
Why? Because 2 deep threats with Mooney who likes run-back routes (interviews) with TEs who can block, fake block & receive mid-field with RBs who can block, run & receive gives them _SO much_ ability to stretch the field it won't matter if that makes it impossible for Fields to get through all his reads & misses some Golden Opportunities. Because, as you said, "60.4 % of 550 is more than of 399." & if those are longer passes, this compounds.
Hack, Fields *not* going after those receivers down-field might be a _good sign_ that he won't force things. Who knows? This team's ceiling is what? Immeasurable. I expect them to make the playoffs. Having the Vikings (with no D) & the Packers in their division should help.
Mac Jones will be a B this year
B as in bust
Richardson better then Bryce makes no sense
Joey P, can you get D Bro to watch The Godfather? LOL. It is criminal he hasn’t seen it.
I’m still ridin dirty
For the love of God, man....
He is coming over to my house this summer...I think it's time!
These guys have no clue wtf they’re talking about! 😂
Deshaun Watson will be a top 3 QB this season. He’s gonna ball. He’s back.
that's spicy but i'll def give you top 10
Sorry, Joe. Philly is not a class above everyone else in the NFC. At least not that far above the Niners. No one wants to talk about it of course but their schedule last season was cupcakes. The NFCC Game was the most ridiculous thing we have ever seen. If they weren't forced to play Johnson (still makes me sick) that game would have been much different. Even the play he was hurt he was going to Aiyuk who was streaking open on a crosser and had the ball made it, would have been a TD. It was 14-7 at the end of the first half and before that turd fumble a shotgun snap giving them the ball back to score on an already gassed defense again. Philly got lucky, plain and simple.
Philly is deep bro. Even more deep after the draft.
San-Fran _is_ #2 & *can* beat Philly. But I wouldn't put $ on that.
As an aside, I have very low confidence in both HCs. I think that Andy Reid exposed that Sirianni can't make in-game adjustments. As for Shanhan, I feel I need to mention that before this past season ('22) I hadn't watched the NFL for years. So I didn't know he was the architect behind Atlanta's blowing that infamous 28-3 lead.
Shanahan _still shuts down_ his entire offense if he's up two scores in the second half. It's as if he think this is hockey & that the team can't play both.
The good news(?) is that there's very little chance that the 49ers go _up_ two scores against Philly if they meet in the playoffs.
That's also the _bad_ news.
@@choosecarefully408 Coach Sirianni is an offensive minded head coach. The defensive flaws in the SB would be on the defensive coordinator.
Niners are a great roster. I'm cautious though about their QB situation and league adjustments to Purdy. That ALWAYS happens. But I love the debate Jimmy!
Lamar on par with Burrow? Cmon now.....
Burrow is S tier.