What is a Coat of Arms?
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- The Coat of Arms, often called a family crest, is very misunderstood. So what is a coat of arms? How can you get one? And what does it all mean?
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**fighting in a bloody medieval battle**
**sees guy wearing full plate armor with the apple logo on it**
**kills him**
**owns apple now**
SOunds like a Capture the Flag type of game
That's how Capitalism works!
My family has always kept our Coat of Arms in a frame in our homes. We are descendants of the Douglas clan. Although most of us have immigrated to Northern Ireland, some of us still reside in Scotland.
Check with Lord Lyon King of Arms -- he's THE heraldic authority for Scotland and all persons of Scots descent. You may be able to get a legal, official, approved (and really really cool looking parchment) for quite a reasonable sum.
You are a decendent of a Celtic clan. Not a european family. Its different. I'm a member of the Murray clan. And scots are Irish settlers anyway. The concept of families, society and government was all different for us.
@@dawudbish3860 Celts are european
Family arms actually are a thing and are pretty common across continental Europe, especially in Germany. However the most known heraldic tradition across the globe is british heraldry wich does not have family arms, wich is why people will often tell you that those don't exist at all.
i was reading that coat of arms dont actually transfer thru families unless they earn it.
Wonder if having your crest knocked off is where 'crestfallen' originates
Very close to the truth you are. Read but a little on the subject, and understand much you will.
@@stephenhoward6829 Yoda? Is that you
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, suffering leads to therapy.
Pharmaceutical industrial complex we have.
I love this part of the comment section.
I believe it has to do with the crests of horses - their heads hanging down after they've died; their crests have fallen....
If you wear a helmet with your crest on it, it would just look like you have a sword lodged on your head :D
Yeah, that's another reason why I went with the book ^_^
Whilst eating flowers.
Gargoyle364 so the symbolism is basically "were so crazy you probably don't want to mess with us"? ;)
Or "We don't know what we're doing but it somehow works." XD
"Tis but a scratch"
Family arms actually are a thing and are pretty common across continental Europe, especially in Germany. However the most known heraldic tradition across the globe is british heraldry wich does not have family arms, wich is why people will often tell you that those don't exist at all.
Yep, i've found a document from the 16th century for a registration of a coat of arms for some of my ancestors working for a law court or something in the Netherlands and it clearly mentions 3 different individuals with the same last name working for the court at that time. also the same coat of arms had been used by this family since 1400 ish and by the family that predated it by 100 ish years.
Thank you. My family has had nearly the same arms for a long time; according to a note from 1600 that referenced a note from 1400, the 1600 said the 1400 referenced arms from 1200. This video confused me a little.
"The Flayed man has _always_ been a part of our banners!" Ramsay said to his father. "MY Banners, not yours.....you're a Snow, remember?" Roose said to his bastard.
Snow
In German/Holy Roman custom the coat of Arms actually is attached to the family, it used to just be attached to the male lineage however under modern German law it is held by the family and is seen by the law to have a similar status as the family name.
German law does not recognize titles of nobility; does it still recognize personal armory?
tamfang the arms in Germany are now more like a trademark. They are under copyright protection and can only be used by people of your descent/ bloodline.
Unlike Austria, where all noble families had to abolish their titles, Germany still has noble families, but with no power to rule anymore. They're like princes/barons/lords without land.
No, in Germany, titles were in fact abolished but use of titles are allowed as they can be appended to the name and then become part of the name.
Correct. Our grant of arms explicitly states "This letter allows them and their forbearers, as well as all their descendants, man and woman, to bear this coat of arms for all eternity".
tamfang they do still recognize noble families, and that's the family of Kaiser, and several families of wealthy land owning knights, they still recognize the titles of the knights and even pass the title down.
YES! A VIDEO ABOUT HERALDRY! No major medieval TH-camrs have touched on this yet! Hooray!!!!
major medieval TH-camrs?
I'm not a TH-camr in that I don't have or want a channel, and only have one follower. But I only came across THIS channel tonight. Glad I did. The the vast majority of good things in life I came across by accident. And I have yet to even attend a Renaissance festival... the property of which is only a half hour away.
The truth about heraldry is that no one knows everything about it. Each country has different laws and regulations. I know the basics of my "old" countries, and a little bit of the UK. And only then because it's the most accessable. I noticed your family shield. I won't publicly display mine, dated appx 1625, because it took me 26 years to find it, and not in any Heraldry "Shop" or publically available book... But don't worry, I'm sure the Tubers and such will wander here just like I did.
I would also like to know more about these aleged "major medieval TH-camrs"....
Legit, I want to design my own coat of arms now. Can't believe I only just found your videos a couple months ago Shad. Love em!
1:27 Interesting, this didn't happened in spanish, since we still call it "escudo de armas" (shield of arms).
Love your motto, I'd translate it into Latin: _Vivamus in veritate_
Why the first person plural subjunctive though ? Shouldn't It have been in the imperative form, hence "vive in veritate", instead ?
Bruh do it in an Aboriginal language XD
Vivre En Verite
No, in French it would be : "Vivre dans la vérité". As for "Old French", that would depend entirely on what you mean by that : what period and what location.
I made a coat of arms and translated it to latin
unfortunately when I translated it back to english to make sure it was right I found out that in latin it meant "to die live mainly in cattle"
it was not right
In French, Italian, and Austria-Hungarian heraldry, the Supporters have official purpose - they designate a role of the individual.
Further, Arms were also linked to property. Your title (Siegnier de _____, Compte de ______ ) would be the basis of your personal Arms, and COULD be passed to descendants, with variations. Crests and Borders would often distinguish the individual.
Interesting !
However I'd like to point out that the specific French titles would be "Seigneur de NN" and "Conte de NN".
"Compte" does exist in French, but it means "account". :)
I can trace my family back 400 to 500 years to France. St Malo. But it comes down to 2 family crests and I can't figure out which. My Dad and uncle argue about it to this day. And I want the tattoo. Can you point me to a good website that may be able to help?
The Motto I use, is "Audio Video Disco"
I Hear, I See, i Learn
Sound, sight, dance?
No... "I hear, I see, I dance!" (The exclamation mark is critical for proper delivery of tone.)
Mine would be
"Per aspera ad astra pervenimus"
Or
"Non omnes iuvant arbusta umilesque myricae"
I would use Veni, Vermini, Vomui
Mine fuuuuuuuuuu let me diiiiiiiiiiiiie ;D
Imagine him putting up his own designed one whenever he gets to build an *actual* castle in the future
Some of my favourite things in heraldry:
- It has a whole language of its own and nothing means what you think it means as a modern-day anglophone. Pale is a shape, a bend is a straight line, and yellow is not a colour.
- There is a single heraldic word meaning "with its sexual organs highlighted in a contrasting colour."
- Pelicans self-harm.
I'm super curious about number 2?
@@JaneXemylixa "pizzled" (or, apparently "vilené")
@@carrieseymour5197 For any future needs, I'm going with "pizzled". Just thinking this word makes me laugh xD
"package delivery, sign here please"
"This might take a while..."
18:28 "... though there is a very close modern comparison or equivalent to medieval coat of arms and that is trademarks."
And now I'm imagining Apple employees in tight formation fighting in a field...
I'm reminded of Winston Churchill's tribute to Rommel's memory. "The field of modern business is no place for chivalry".
Go for the batteries on Samsung armor :p
@@NapoleonCalland , I agree^!!^
I heard the reason for the heraldic rule that colors (e.g. black, red and blue) should always be next to metalls (gold/yellow and silver/white) has something to do with visualisation. You can see faster and better a yellow shape on a black ground then on a white ground. That is also the reason why this rule is still used for traffic road signs. They often are designed in the way that you have a color next to a metall, at least mostly in Europe.
The same also applies to most flags also some flags don´t apply to it because of a special reason. E.g. the Vatican uses silver and gold on their flag and also crest to claim that the pope is above all and something special. And on the German flag the order of colors is wrong from an heraldic point of view but because of the maxim "From the dark of the past (black), through blood (red) into a golden future (gold)" it is used in that order.
You are right. Contrast makes arms more recognizable. That's what I would criticize Shad's arms for.
The explanations for the colors in flags are often times simply made up. The colors of Germany's flag are simply the color of the German arms, which is traditionally the Imperial Eagle (Black with red claws and beak on a golden field).That's probably also why black borders red in the flag, although that is a violation of the rule for tinctures.
Btw besides colors and metals there are also furs, which are patterns. Look them up.
There are two exceptions:
- The papal state is allowed to have gold on silver and silver on gold.
- The kingdom of Jerusalem is allowed to have gold on silver.
In all other arms they should be separated with colour, unless there are layers or quarters, one item on top of another, than they are allowed to touch.
Of course these prominent exceptions exist. You should always remember that heraldry is not an exact natural science. The "rules " were not strictly followed by everyone. For example the not immensely special city of Stettin in Pomerania traditionally uses a red griffin on a blue field, which shows that kind of disregard.
GZ Herold The colours derive from the Freikorps von Lützow.
Arne Krug Yeah, the myth says that this military unit was the reason for the colors of the German flag. And it's probable that their involvement in the Liberation wars made these colors even more prominent. Nevertheless I think this is just one of multiple reasons. Considering the fact that Germans already used these colors in the Imperial arms for hundreds of years seems more important than one single unit using these colors for 2 years.
I don’t know if you’ll read this Shad but I found an interesting quote
“on 7 February 2018 the Prime Minister made a response which must be regarded as expressing, as a ministerial exercise of the Royal prerogative of honour in relation to heraldry its policy in these terms:
The practice of the College of Arms in England granting armorial bearings to Australians is well established as one way Australians can obtain heraldic insignia if they wish to do so.
There is nothing preventing any person or organisation from commissioning a local artist, graphics studio or heraldry specialist to design and produce a coat of arms or identifying symbol. Those arms would have the same standing and authority in Australia as arms prepared by the College of Arms in England.”
Wouldn’t that mean even Dazza could give you a coat of arms considered at the level of the Kings of Arms of England
Shadow Gaming probably, I think it is easy to get caught up in the grandeur of something and forget its purpose. The arms are fundamental forms of identification or if you like branding. Modern branding has a similar concept to an arms. Though because they where mostly necessary for noblemen in the past for their footmen to wear, having a family arms at all has become a sort of symbol of aristocracy and old money. If you had an old one, it means is that you likely had a grander background then someone who didn’t.
Either way the arms would not mean the same as king, because your not a king. But the arms themselves would function the same way.
Also, if you join the SCA, a world-wide medieval recreation club, you design a shield device (NOT a full armorial device/coat-of-arms) that is checked to make sure that it is different from all others in the SCA, and then registered to you, and as long as you keep up your membership no-one can take it from you. The SCA Heraldry was, and may still be, recognized by the British (& other national) College(s) of Heraldry. As far as cost, SCA membership is(was) $20 (USA), which is way less than any other method of registering a "coat-of-arms".
unless you're 6'6" robert baratheon and insist on wearing giant fucking antlers on your head to scare the living shit out of people.
Ani0227 you know i don't think you even COULD... because of the weight of them... unless some hunter has a pretty good idea about the weight of some decent sized antlers that s/he has thats the biggest problem i see.
because i am pretty sure that elk/moose/caribou are out of the question due to sheer size and weight
so that just leaves the various deer antlers
well how heavy are these things because robert was supposedly also carrying around a giant war hammer the size of his best friend so id say he was freakishly strong and giant antlers were no biggie for him.
Actually the crests were usually made of very light weight material like wood, not the real thing
Shad, I am in love with your videos, but I beg you to please put any sources in the description because I often times find myself blindly quoting you, which is potentially dangerous to me and some other people. Misinformation may spread on a small scale if you do not. Thank you.
Spanish Inquisition Use google, find legitimate sources that backs up what he says. It's easy.
Kjartan The Viking! Yes, I could look up everything he says and double check, but I want to know where HE gets his information from. Yes, I understand sometimes you learn lots of information overtime and you forget what sources you use, but you could at the least try to find sources that confirm some of the information.
Also, I don't ask this specifically for me, I ask this for the sake of EVERYONE, including shad. Shad has been wrong in the past, take the video about the falchion. People are going to take that information in and spread it, even if on a very small scale.
I also wanted to say something about your video "dude needs feminism because he's a girly man" in which you act like an asshole. I think your behavior was dickish and if I ever met you in real life, well let's say I would want a good ocean between us.
With care, me.
Kjartan The Viking! Indeed.
The Spanish Inquisition?! NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Start with "Simple Heraldry, Cheerfully Illustrated". Written by 2 Scottish Heralds, it is now considered THE definitive book for beginners, and is chock full of citations. From there, it is easy to branch out into the dozens (scores! hundreds!) of other books. Also, many countries Heraldry Societies are more than happy to share information.
I know, that we don't use our coats of armes in real life today, however everything that is on display MUST be weareble.
I have no idea how you'll make that book fly above your head...
Yeah, you are right. The helmet is supposed to sit on the edge of the shield and the crest is supposed to sit on the helmet. It's a sign of heraldic decay to depict non-realistic arms. Many rules of heraldry were and are disregarded because humans don't strictly follow rules, especially, when there is no central authority to check. There are also historic arms, that don't follow all rules.
well my crest is a blue hare with three bits of corn in its mouth so i'm boned
In the UK, at least, there are in fact specific offices who do have authority over heraldry, backed by law.
What about the supporters?
Strap it to a baseball cap LOL
I don't think the coat of arms had to be changed every time it was inherited, only when the son was alive at the same time as the father, a differentiating device would be added to the son's arms. Once the father died, the eldest son (or eldest male decedent) would inherit the fathers arms unchanged. Of course the son may decide to have the arms changed for his own purposes (quartering a maternal grandfathers arms, for instance), but it is not necessary. The arms of the British royal family illustrate this. Prince Charles has a differentiator on his arms that will be removed when he ascends to the throne. Noble families have this as well. The arms of the Earls (later Dukes) of Oxford were unchanged for centuries although there were certainly many individual Earls and Dukes of Oxford during that time.
I believe you are absolutely correct
Well you've need to take into account that people get married. So with each generation marrying, the Coat of Arms must constantly change in order to show the connection with the in-law family. This is the case for both sides of all families.
A husband's coat of arms would be combined with his wife's, but if she was not an heiress, the combined arms would not be passed down, only the husband's. If she was an heiress (no brothers) the combination would become permanent and passed down as a unit.
You are correct.
All fine except there never was a Duke of Oxford
*forgets about TH-cam for a day*
*remembers shad*
*virtually sprints to shad's channel*
Ooohhhh this is good.
I want to see what Skallagrims Coat of Arms would look like, probably one with maaaany pommels :D please someone make one for him !!!
Bet his charge would have Rainbow colors on it.. and the motto would say "Bellator iustitia socialis" lol
Or perhaps " et per patriarchus"..
DoppelSöldner End him rightiously.
A viking helmet with pommels on the side!
As interesting as this all is I'm going to have to disagree on the Australian arms. Everyone knows that very large spiders and insects represent Australia, not kangaroos and emus.
Wrong Governor Arthur of Tasmania had an official coat of arms which had a Cow and a Kangaroo, he was one of a few who had Australian crests
And may I add a Black Swan as is found in Tasmania
His Motto was (Stet Fortuna Domos ) May fortune stay within this house
But is funny...
Pretty sure it's upside down too.
In my mind a "Sigil" comes from 'Sealing'.
It was often used to seal documents with Wax or those paper band thingies, which usually had the symbol of your choice on it.
The Stamp, or Ring that is used to imprint the "Seal" can then also be called the "Sigil", and the word can spread into other uses from there.
In German a "Sigel" still directly means "Seal". To "Sigel" something mean to "Seal" it as well.
I'm not sure what the word means when taken away from this connotation. Cause it doesn't really make sense anymore, if you don't use it to seal anything it should just be called a Symbol or something I think. But it's used for lots of things I guess.
Shad, thank you for your excellent video. My kids and I are working on a school project making coats of arms and your video was perfect to give background and understanding. Thank you.
In the future could you examine various coat of arms (yes I know it's wrong) of various states and people so that you could explain the history of them? Like charles V coat of arms or the spanish coat of arms
and also of important noble families in history.
ARX 351 absolutely, hey you know where the hapsburgs were from?
Alsace, wich at that time was german, even though now is part of France.
ARX 351 wow, most people would get that wrong and say austria
*****
i wasnt sure, so i checked wikipedia.
27:56 OHHH MYYY GOOOOOOOOOOOOD
Yeah I know right! And that one isn't even a joke, it's a real historical Coat of Arms 0.o
Shadiversity You know whose coat of arms is it?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Temple-Nugent-Brydges-Chandos-Grenville,_2nd_Duke_of_Buckingham_and_Chandos
+Frederik Nielsen - not really. In the case of inbreeding, you would have (by definition) same families repeating, so the same shields/devices would also repeat - meaning they would be represented only once - therefore, the overall arms would be less complex. Really complex arms could arise for individuals from families that intermarried with lots of other families. That way, the arms would show their long family lineage, prestige and connections with other (presumably important) families.
+Frederik Nielsen - my reasoning was this: if you claim ancestry twice from the same family line, those 2 lines would have the same shield/device, so you wouldn't need to show both THE SAME shields/devices on your own arms (since they are the same, it would be easier to show only one figure, that would - at the same time - represent both lineages). This was simply my logical observation, not based on any substantial experience with heraldics.
As it seems from this example, the shields/devices DID repeat (even though this isn't the most economical thing to do). I guess simbolic capital was more important.
However, I still see your point on interbreeding (as opposed to simply marrying with a lot of different families) as irrelevant. The point with this arms was that it has many divisions (shields/devices), which it would have regardless of interbreeding.
I’m taking my “family” crest and changing it a bit for me. Gonna be awesome.
Anyone else wonder how long he researches and just wants to give him a hug for that effort
That's too much information for my brain to process.
Very nice presentation, one of the clearest ones I've seen. You are right it can get very complex indeed but you have covered the basics very well. Just one point though, as to inherited "coats of arms". A living man with, say, three sons has a coat of arms. The arms are his and his alone by custom and law, however his sons may use his arms identical to his but with cadet marks on a white bar with short tabs hanging down on the upper part of the shield, In England there are specific marks for each son. Upon the death of the owner of the arms his eldest son will then remove the extra device and his father's arms become his own property. The father's other sons can then apply to the King of Arms (in England) for specific arms for themselves as they must also remove the extra devices as those are now reserved for the sons of the new owner of the arms, their brother. The second and third (etc.) sons arms will most likely use differing versions of their fathers arms as their own.
As to using the arms of an ancestor who had them, you must prove direct line, eldest sons to eldest son to yourself in order to use them. Very difficult as arms can be inherited by whoever may be next in line at the time of death of the owner, and that may be anyone in the family even a daughter if there are no males ahead of her, even a distant male cousin will inherit before her. As to just having the same name as someone who had a coat of arms means absolutely nothing. Your analogy to a trademark is very good, just because my name may be "Apple" that gives me no right to use the "Apple" trademark for myself; Apple would sue and win as my use of their trademark violates the law. In England, at least, you can be prosecuted for using arms that you do not own as that also violates English law.
I'm still not sure about this whole "one person only". At least for the British monarchs and lords it seems to be the case of the complete coat of arms being inherited without modifications. Maybe the rule is "one person at a time", so heirs would have modified arms but remove the modifications when they inherit the title.
You are generally right. There are probably exceptions though.
Milo Bem,
Yes, this is true. A "person" is not a "man." Only one man may possess a particular "person" at a time, so this means any man representing the "person" speaks for the "person" in the absence of the actual person. A coat of arms for a person, is the coat of arms for a corporate body. The Kingship lineage, is the person, and the rightful king, is represented by the current heir of the time, being a Man. Kingship as a corporate body, is also the reason why the Wife of a King can reign as King, in the stead of the husband. Think of things like a game avatar, and you'll understand it better.
They are usually "differenced" by small changes, such as tabs on the escutcheon, that are really hard to spot if you don't know what you're looking for. They do sometimes seem to remove or add these if they move up or down in the order of succession, so I guess your original point still stands.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadency
Milo Bem Ik this is two years late but you’re right, the father would keep his coat of arms until death while his eldest son had the same one but with an added design. Same goes for any other kids he had. Once the father dies, the eldest son now owns the cost of arms
I am so glad I stumbled on your video! I hope that your enthusiasm about creating your own arms inspires each of us to do the same. Like you, I created my own arms and the process of doing so was a joy! Thank you! So cool.
The statement that coat of arms are solely for identifying an individual is incorrect (for some European countries at least).
While a coat of arms to identify a family is far less common, those actually exist.
The coat of arms of Nassau for example (Dutch royal family).
In the Netherlands it was possible to "own" three coat of arms: one of yourself, one of your family and one of the company you own.
It's still needed to register the coat of arms at the "Hoge Raad van Adel" (translates to: High Order of Nobility).
However, you're allowed to randomly make your own for whatever you like, but without registration it has zero value.
I don't know about other governments/countries, maybe others are not that serious anymore when it comes to coat of arms.
That would explain why there are several coat of arms going around in my family, while we are definitely not of nobility
if only collecting armor was a requirement for Knighthood
I don't know if you said that, but the rule of Coats of Arms being different for every person only applied in England. Other countries had different ways of distinction among the family, or didn't have them at all.
I greatly appreciate your chair alignment with the lines on the wall.
At 9:19 one of those crests is a snake pretzel, I want to know who the genius that came up with that is.
18:02 "If you do decide to make one, it wouldn't be official unless you were a member of the British Realm. And I'm Australian, so I actually could if I wanted to, I just need 10,000 Australian dollars to register. PPPFFFFFFFFFFFFTTT!!!!!!
My goodness!"
A number of former colonial powers will grant either real (legal) or courtesy (legal lite) arms to persons of that nations descent, or resident in former colonial areas. Spain is the easiest, Britain (Scotland is separate from England-Wales-Ireland) has the coolest parchments.
Brad Miller
I’m a Mexican American so could I in theory request permission to create an arms from Spain? If I could prove having a Spanish ancestor?
The idea of having a Mexican Jaguar as a device sounds so badass to me.
My fav fictional heraldry includes:
the spot-on emblems from Monty Python and the Holy Grail (particularly Robin's backward-facing chicken);
one from the Russian book School in Carmarthen which had a Welsh nobleman, super nice guy, whose *charge* was a hare chasing a hound (a popular jokey medieval illumination motif, as I recently found out);
and the Vetinari *arms* from Discworld, which is just a black shield and that's it. (Their motto is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"; a black shield with nothing on it works perfectly fine in battle, so it makes sense.)
Awesome! This is the third video that I saw about this and it helped me a lot. I'm all the way from Puerto Rico and I was also wondering what it would look like to have angels and trumpets in my design.
Coat arms is great way to communicate to those that can not read ...
“the floral border of history”
This is a good video, but it seems more pertinent to British arms (understandably so); Polish arms, for example, seem to belong to hundreds of different families. Great video. :)
You are correct. I myself have Polish ancestry. Poland followed the clan system. My TH-cam icon is actually my clan's achievement with one adjustment. (It goes by the name of Sulima.) I change a lozenge to a Tau because I am actually a member of the Roman Catholic Order which has that as its symbol.
In the Polish rules, since they followed the clan system, the individual family's name would be below where the motto is usually placed.
Poland officially no longer uses the heraldry system. However, unofficially, the rights and duties of tracking and registering achievements has been retained (to an extent) by nobility through associations which anyone of Polish (especially of Polish Noble descent can apply).
I'm not sure how relevant this would be to a page like this. However, being a table-top role-playing game fan, (who has also working on my real life genealogy). I'm actually working on a system of heraldry (and inheritance) heavily influenced by the Polish system. There actually is software available to design coats of arms. I use it myself.
@@OneCatholicSpeaks
What software is there?
I use Coat of Arms Visual Designer by InkwellIdeas.com.
One thing which I also like about this software is should you find symbols which are not available in the software, you can actually import them yourself.
@@OneCatholicSpeaksthanks
@@FroyourFilms Happy to help.
Loved your armorial achievement Shad!
I'm learning an appreciation for the details Final Fantasy XIV has in their terminology. You can make a crest for your Free Company, which I would guess is wrong given the information in this video. The pieces of it you can choose are the charge, escutcheon, the ordinary, AND the tincture of it. When made you can put on some of your gear and have displayed on your FC house above the door.
I thought it's a coat made of arms
You mean like Lady Gaga's meat dress?!?
@@silvercloud1641 I thought those were foreskins...
It seems like the art style of the charges is always the same. Any particular reason for that? Just tradition, or was that regulated?
According to the British system the charges and everything else must be done in the medieval style. So my shield supporters would probably be illegal as they are too 3 dimensional and heavily shaded.
Im thinking a book crest would not be very aerodynamic while charging your foe during tournament..perhaps place it on a swivel of sorts, so it could align with the air flow :)
Different countries had different traditions in using or naming symbols which sometimes conflict, for instance there is some debate on the 'lion or leopard' issue (the British being in the minority on that issue), use of various types of wreaths, hearts or leaves (another matter of contention) et cet, but over all, across borders, there really were conventions on design across Europe, hence Shad is even able to call something 'medieval style', which sounds ahistoric and is nonsense, really, except in cases like heraldic symbols. There is much more tio this than what Shad says..for instance the eagle, which represents the (mostly German) challenge to Roman emperorship, usually symbolized by lightning (although Greek, from Zeus) and is not merely 'more regulated', as Shad says. Hearts (or leaves) were originally leaves of a specific tree thought to deflect lightning (get it?) etc..There is history behind this stuff!
LackadaisicalE Perhaps he could swap the book for a swivel-mounted rooster on an arrow?
The ‘medieval’ style, resembling stencil-work, came back into fashion in the 20th century, but look at 18th century renderings: generally more three-dimensional, often rococo - in Britain and most everywhere else.
I can't find this passage in one of my books, so I'll paraphrase from memory: “There is an unfortunate misconception that the only correct depiction of a coat of arms is that shown in the grant. Nothing could be further from the truth. If the charge specified is ‘a lion rampant gules’, the lion may be big or small, crimson or maroon, abstract or terrifyingly realistic, but he *must* be a lion and he *must* be red and he *must* ramp [stand on his hind legs brandishing his forepaws].”
Fox-Davies «The Art of Heraldry» devotes a page to 40 different styles of fleur-de-lis, all equally legitimate wherever a fleur-de-lis is called for.
I keep coming back to this video after all these years because it's so useful and fascinating.
I personally support the idea that we collectively fund Shad to get his 10000 AUS, to officially petition his heraldry in the commonwealth!
@7:23 in plumbing, "Escutcheon" is that chrome disc that goes between the faucet handle and wall. Thanks, Shad -- you *crested* my knowledge
So for those "family crest" sites. Are those just completely made up? Or do they just find the oldest arms associated with that surname and just use that? I'd like to make my own shield, but I'd also like to pay homage to family history, if possible.
As far as I know, it's anything that was once recorded for someone with the same surname. Unless you know for sure that you're related to someone who bore a certain shield, don't bother.
Exception: in Scotland, anyone with a given surname is considered kin for heraldic purposes, so if a Campbell (of unknown ancestry) applies to the Scottish authorities for arms he'll get something with a pie-slice motif but different enough from other Campbell coats *not* to look like it's derived from them in a systematic way (as would be done for actual close kin).
Some are, and some are not. And remeber rules vary by coutry. This video is not entirely correct. There is such a thing as a family coat of arms, or a lieneage coat of arms in different countries. I would reccomend The Basque Genealogy Homepage as a good resource of information.
there not entirely wrong but you have to be a legitimate male descendant of someone who was granted arms
Those sites are totally bogus, design your own. If you are British then you can apply to the appropriate office (different for Scotland, N. Ireland, England and Wales) No longer easy and now will cost you.
Yes they are wrong, the arms in question are the personal property of the person to whom they were granted..
I love that he has the angel moroni in his. because he's Mormon :)
What's cool about it is that someone who knows the angel can just look at it and instantly recognise it for what it is. That alone is really cool:)
I got into doing Heraldry for my D&D games recently, and it is indeed awesome.
In Polish Heraldry entire groups of families wore the same coat of arms (sometimes hundreds of unrelated families). This resulted in compound family names where an individual would list the name of his family's coat of arms (they had names) and his family name to identify himself or herself. Later the Polish nobility (especially in the Holy Roman Empire) added personal symbols to the coats of arms to emulate the western way where a coat of arms was strictly personal. So they ended up with the clan-wide coat of arms that also included some personal gimmick and a family name (with no direct relation to the coat of arms). Some powerful families (of Lithuanian descent) had their own coat of arms though. Also: all legitimate children inherited the coat of arms.
Fuck it..... I will become royalty! >:D
Shad, this video contains enough mistakes to be worth fixing and re-uploading. I would be glad to advise you.
can you tell us in the comments what your contentions are so we can read it?
for example (i only know the rules in germany): In germany a coat of arms is often bound to a family name and bloodline, so it will be passed down through the generations, without any changes.
His own designed coat of arms is, by the rules in germany, full of mistakes. For example sizes: roughly shield 3 parts - helmet 2 parts - crest 3 parts - and no empty space between them
Almost impossible to get it right, since no one really knows a great deal to begin with and it all differentiates across Europe....
Nice 👍😁👍. Really enjoyed watching this video. Keep up the good work Shad.
Shad: live in truth
AC Motto: Nothing is true.
Tell me more. feel free do get into the details, like bends and such...I will check out your personal arms video, because i am curious about the guy with the trump
If you are still curious, it is the angel Moroni -Shad belongs to the LDS. In Mormonism, it is the angel that revealed the scriptures to Joseph Smith.
Don't forget the rule that your arms should not have (need) more then two colours.
Gold and Silver=white don’t count (in Germany) black dose.
Those with more are decadent and modern :-)
So you are decadent, skip at last the border of the shield.
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This makes me really curious about my Italian history just based off the 1 coat of arms we know of since it has the open face helm with vertical slats and a crown.
Cheers shad. Always a good video. Appreciate dude.
I remember in middle school we learned about heraldry and they had each of us make one. So as far as I can tell the US doesn't give a shit about rules or anything to do with coats or arms so Americans go crazy!
Most Americans love heraldry -- they are just taught (if anything!) such absolute crap, they get confused and frustration-quit.
The US military has a formal system for it but not in civilian life.
The Three Lions on top of each other are actually technically called Leopards, whereas any standing cat is called a Lion Rampant.
A leopard is a lion with its face turned towards the on-looker, so it could also be rampant, just as a lion can be laying.
leopard cushant
From the old "lion leoparde' '. A standing cat is "statant", a lion standing on one back leg, with the other 3 clawing a the enemy is "rampant", and is not necessarily a lion. Can be ANY cat, as well as wolf, bear, dragon, etc.
I'm on an old school Shad kick tonight lol 03.38 and can't go to bed yet. Want sleep can't have sleep , fine if I have to stay awake I'm watching some classic Shad.
I know this is an old video, but in the Society for Creative Anachronism, we have lots of people that seriously geek out over this, and help people design and register their own arms with the Society
Can we use memes?
Rule of thumb -- someone is charging at you across the battlefield. You have 30 seconds to decide if he is friend or foe. If you can't tell in that time -- too complicated!
@@bradmiller2329 What do you do if their Crest is a Trollface?
@@occultninja4 Find out what a troll looked like according to the original culture's artists/heralds.
Only in mottos: "Pro LOLs Facitum", "Frates Ante Meretrix", "Epstein Nic Ipso Morituri"...
So coats of arms was the original "I want to be identified by these pronouns" only you still got called by your name and it was badass, and more useful as everyone could tell who someone is even if they had a similar name to someone else, and not everyone at the time could bloody read?
True, only with regards to nobility though, since common people wouldn't and couldn't use armorial achievements.
I love the same things as you, Shad! The symbolism is so cool!:-)
Excellent video! Very informative and thorough.
Wow, this is such a train-wreck of misunderstandings, incorrect information, bad explanations and partially understood stuff. Please, if you are interested in heraldry, pick up a basic book on heraldry, don't use this. I'm sure he means well, but about 70% is wrong or misunderstood.
Your arms seem to violate the rule of tincture for British heraldry. Also supporters are granted and should not be assumed.
Hey Shad, I appreciate this video. I'm also from Aus and I'm currently working on my heralding licence for HMB/Buhurt. Thanks legend
Fun naval history fact! Even into the 20th century naval ships have typically had specific emblems associated with them. These could range from any number of things from the more unit patch-looking emblems for US ships, to the fancier ones used by Royal Navy vessels. German capital ships (i.e.: Battleships and cruisers) in World War II in particular, being almost entirely named for naval officers and prestigious German lords, tended to use the shield of their namesake's armorial achievement, and would wear that shield on either side of their bow. The heavy cruiser Admiral Graf Spee is a good example of this.
Please do speak further on this subject!
I so love heraldary. Especially the gauge used to describe them indiviually and uniquely.
I love your videos especially this one.
This was really awesome and interesting to learn! :D
brilliant video. i've been cutting shields out of foam boards and painting arms on them to decorate my work shop.
2:27 I laughed out loud. You made my day Shad
I would love to create my own "coat of arms", but I'm not an artist, at least not one that can draw. I still think it would be interesting to see all the explanations of what different colors mean. Your videos are awesome @Shadiversity!
Many years ago I was a fighter in the Barony of Brownmoor. Which was actually Yuma, Arizona, U.S.A. As a member of the Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) we had to submit our shield designs to the Kingdom's Herald in Phoenix, Arizona for approval. I had lots of fun delving into the complex area of heraldry, which has layers and layers of rules.
I think a discussion of cadency would also better make your point about individual arms. By adding an additional charge or Escutcheon you could have an armorial achievement that was functionally different but visual very similar.
My families arms is quite beautiful in my opinion. I'm quite certain it's an old one that was used during the crusades. The reason i think this is that it has parallel swords with crosses adorning it on the shield with a rampant lion on the crest. The colors are blue and gold as well which if you'll look up the meanings of those colours (if you want to use the proper english spelling where the armorial achievement is from) on the net. I find it quite comforting that my ancestors enjoyed those traits.
The basic idea is a billboard saying "Please don't hurt me. I'm worth lots of $$$$".
Thank you for this. I liked it alot. Breath every now and again- it will only add 5 minutes overall to the video and make it more relaxing to listen to as I write my fantasy novel ;)
My family coat of arms, or the similar coats from generation to generation I should say, seemed to have a big emphasis on Ravens and Unicorns for whatever reason. Raven generally as the device (and, after watching this video, I am astonished at how often it was only that raven) and Unicorn as the crest, which full on mythical creature surprised me as well. One or two had a Ram as the device (Wonder how they came up with that) but most of the time it was the Raven. After seeing the many different Coats of Arms I am a little amazed at how simple yet ornate the varying House Ramsey coats managed to remain in comparison to so many other I saw.
Hi shad im currently working my way through your video's, great stuff so far,, 1 question: do you know how and why 'military bars' became universally accepted, hope to see a video on this one day. Thanks in advance.
My grandmother has a golden cross standing in the golden valley on a red field, with green peacock's feathers on top of crest as her coat of arms
Very well presented. Thanks
Very well explained! Thank you!👍
Great video shadiversity
Excellent and informational video. Thank you!
Not to be nitpicky, but the tree "lions" in the british royal arms are technically "leopards". Lions standing in that way are called "leopards".
Interesting stuff Shad nicely done, but will you ever make a video explaining tournaments in medieval times and so forth because it seems like an interesting topic for a video.
Awesome video Shad!
I think you've missed a point though. I believe the direction in which the helmet faces also bears some significance; If I remember correctly it denotes social rank. In any case, please look in to it!
There were also cities in Europe that were given these “coats of arms”. The city I live in, Kosice (Slovakia) was the first to get one in 1369 by King Louis I the Great. It then evolved by different rulers adding heraldic elements to it from their own arms over the centuries until 1502.
Excellent and interesting post.
In The Witcher 3 the inhabitants of oxenford painted white lilies are there Shields to let each of them know who was who on the battlefield or at least make it easier for the families of this town to find their kin when they died