XMPR is the livery that was used on most trains in Italy form 1995 to 2017, FS stands for Ferrovie dello Stato (State's Railway). The name XMPR comes from the studio that designed it, and guess what, it's from the UK :D It is now called Mice Group plc. It is one of the most hated liveries in the history of Italian trains, people that like it are really rare. Personally, I don't think its so bad, however with all that white, trains were usually always dirty. For the locomotive: this model was used on some starter sets that were sold in supermarkets etc here in Italy, especially during Christmas and holidays The logo on the front is one of the logos of the Italian railways, not the logo of the class. Some classes had their logo in Italy, usually of an animal (Tiger, Turtle etc) but not this one.
E424 had three different liveries, first built in castano-isabella (light brown with a darker brown roof and underframe), a few received a "navetta" livery in the 1980s for push/pull trains (grey with red and orange stripes) and remarkably the XMPR was applied to a good number of locomotives that were already quite old. I think it looks good when new and clean, unfortunately it was not always well kept. Personally I found the dirty brown liveries of old FS that survived into the 1980s/90s on some classes rather ugly. It's a matter of taste.
@@uncinarynin One of the main reasons for the hatred (which I share completely) is that the XMPR livery pretty much uniformed and flattened everything on the networks. The Italian railways were unique through the 1960-1990 time frame for having an array of different liveries, applied to some of the most striking rolling stock (especially locomotives) in the world. Some of these liveries were admittedly a bit dull (the "Castano-Isabella" one, for example, created mostly to hide dirt and rust), but others were absolutely stunning like the blue-fog grey-blue on the E444/E656/E636, the green-fog grey-green on the E646 - not to mention the bright red livery on the MDVE carriages and pilots. You could stand by the side of the railway and in 1 hour, you'd hardly see two identical trains go by, then the XMPR arrived and it all ended. I guess another reason is also the fact that XMPR arrived at the time when rail travel largely lost most of its appeal in favour of airlines, so trains went from being associated with holidays, good times and adventure to being pretty much a "people crammed in like cattle to go to work" thing. In many enthusiasts' view, that is an association that is difficult to overlook.
I have a couple of theories about how that specific Lima E424 model (it's a true proper Lima model, certainly not a knock-off) came up for sale on AliExpress for such a cheap price: A) As you mentioned in the video, the E424 class is a rather old locomotive, with all units having been retired from service between 2001 and January 2007 (end of regular services - they were officially written off in 2008). The model itself in the above form (wich is intended as an "entry level" model - Lima also made "high end" versions) has been a staple of start-sets and was commonly seen on sale until atleast the mid-2010s, a full decade after the retirement of the real-life units. My guess is that one day, some high-ups at Lima realized this, and ordered the manufacturer in China to halt E424 production, as they might have tought that they "wouldn't sell" anymore. The manufacturer probably had (or still has) some still in stock, and with Lima unwilling to accept another batch of E424s, it put them on sale itslef (or trough some intermediary) on AliExpress in an attempt to make up for the manufacturing costs. B) My other theory, wich i find more plausible, is that this model in particular (and several others like it) weren't accepted by Lima or did not even pass the Chinese quality control due to manufacturing defects (the paintjob is badly made and so are the writings, there are plenty of glue marks, the "bullet hole" on the roof should be the hole for the whistle, the pantographs were clearly assembled in the wrong way and so on), so, again, the manufacturer put them on sale itself on AliExpress in an attempt to make up for the manufacturing costs. It would be interesting to compare it to a proper "Lima-sold" model of the same type. I also suspect that many of your "cheap" model trains (specifically the PKP Oi2 a.k.a. the "Cheap & Nasty 0-4-0") might have been defective models refused by the model company and put on sale by the manufacturer itself (the afromentioned Oi2 is an actual proper PIKO model).
I've just got an answer regarding this. This is an email I got from Hornby. "this locomotive has been made some years ago by Hornby Italy. This kind of model was a part of Lima Hobby Line Range destined to the Italian toy market. The retail price was € 45." This is from the Head of Hornby Italia.
Wow what a incredible locomotive. It's such good value and that mechanism blew me away. Flywheels on a 30£ loco is insane. Lights as well. I wish there are more budget locomotives like this one today but maybe at a slightly higher build quality. If the quality is better I would be ready to pay 40£ for this. Great review, Sam
Honestly, aside from the paintwork, I think this loco looks and runs really quite well, even to the point that some "proper" models are put to shame (let's say for instance the Heljan 1361......) I'm seriously considering buying this - the mechanism is fabulous and with a touch up of some of the paint and removal of some glue, this could be a bargain electric loco. Great review as always, I think it's your best AliExpress model so far. 👍
Outstanding bargain. I was looking to run an Italian train on my layout and this was a serious joy to get for that price. I managed to get a fully detailed replacement shell on ebay for 10 euros in the earlier FS tan livery (which I wanted) and I was over the moon.
Lima E. 424 unboxed and breaking in today. No sprung buffers, but it does have the as-promised separately added windshield wipers, which I shall be connecting to a DCC chip and set to a "mist" function. The thing runs like silk and the pantographs extend fully, one just has to carefully untangle it from the brass spring. It is a beautiful and charming model, and that my North American friends don't know British from Outer Mongolia, it blends right in. Thank you, Sam, for bringing this lovely piece to our attention.
@@johnd8892 Much to my good fortune, they cannot. Italian, British, Mongolian, Ukrainian, Irish, all the same to North American eyes. I ran it for a few hours today, and it only got better with breaking in. Lovely piece. I don't want to foul Sam's superb site, but I shot some video of this gem. Since my Avatar does not link to my channel, you may find it on TH-cam under the title: "Electrifying Developments in Olive Oil Distribution." Turns out this fabulous piece has couplers perfectly compatible with my treasured Electrotren stuff.
I think it is a great loco for the price. As you’ve said, it does need work. I think it could be a great addition to your yard if you wanted to put the work into it. Wouldn’t take much to bring it up to snuff mechanically and as far as the body, I would strip it down and repaint, add more brass details, weather and now you have an incredible loco.
2:25 the logo on the bottom of the box says "Hornby Italia", which tells me that it isn't a knock off - it's just a model that was exclusive to Italy which is why it never appeared anywhere over here in England
@@TankEngine75 Diamond_dude is right. It is the part of the cheap line for the Italian market. While E424 was very important for Italian railways being the light electric engine for short distance services, it never had the XMPR livery applied. The last ones to leave the services were painted in the so called "Navetta" (means shuttle) livery, alluminium gray with orange and red decorations.
I’d love to see someone do a DCC and sound installation into this. Judging by the light board and dual flywheel motor it looks possible to fit a motherboard with a N18 or 21pin socket and fit ESU sound into it
Hey Sam I probably would turn it into a fictitious Military Loco. by repainting in Forest Green Camouflage, remove orange roof fittings and replace with machine gun nests, front and back.... Worth while doing to a brand new loco at a Bargain price! We really appreciate you locating and reviewing these "gems" .
Fascinating, I've spotted those on other Chinese "possible knock off" sites but dismissed is as something that would never work, thanks for taking the plunge and grabbing one and showing it's better than I suspected!
I purchased a Lima Hobby Line HL2311 (diesel shunter) on Amazon for £39 (in Jan), for the price it is amazing, lights, smooth running and quiet. Better than a Hornby pocket without doubt!! and another great review Sam
Hi Sam. I got two of these locos just over a year ago. I paid £25 for them brand new from eBay. They were described as ‘China made’. Lovely smooth runners with directional lights. I use them to test my track and for general running on the layout while I work. Absolute bargains. By the way mine were pristine and unmarked 👍 Regards .... Steve
Sam I wish I could live in the UK you get such great deals for our hobby in your country. You never see anything like that in this country. Great video I think you got a great deal. Keep those great videos coming.
Love the mustache and opera gag, that was HILARIOUS. Clearly, not up to your rivet counting meticulousness, I saw this review and its stimulated horn and plastered on wipers and couldn't get my wallet out fast enough. Got a nice discount, too. I was waiting for you to comment on the pizza cutter flanges (you said not a word), but when I saw that monster motor and dual flywheels, it brought memories of Playcraft and Triang, only re-introduced with a fuzzy paint job. HAD to have it. Ka-ching. Hoping to run my new BACHMANN Duke Dog today. I had previously sworn on the souls of my children I would never again buy a Bachmann product, but your review was, as always, precise and methodical, and I loved the concept, so I bought one, and paid half as much more for the international shipping. I do hope Bachmann continues to provide us quality mechs. If they continue to do so, I will shell out the bucks, once I've seen it reviewed by Sam.
Hi Sam, did it some hunting, good news it's not a fake Lima, found it in 2018 review by Budget Railways, this loco was available from Hornby at that time for 41GBP (E-Bay 31GBP), also available were two Lima coaches same livery for 12.50GBP each in bubble packs. My guess is that Ali Express has bulk bought remaining stocks of the loco, or got a licence from Hornby Italia to get a new batch from the Hong Kong based manufacturer as a one off. .... Drew
@Sam'sTrains The reason this specific model is so surprising is that it was not created to be a toy, nor "cheap" at all - it is pretty much a collector's model from a few decades ago - the chassis and mechanics are from the early 1990s (1994, to be specific), while the injection mold for the body is a modification of one made in the 1960s. Lima has a troubled history as a brand - starting out making toys, then models "for everyone" (meaning, not priced at silly high levels), until the late 1980s/early 1990s, when the appeal of trainsets as toys diminished and they found themselves competing in the modelers' market, without being really well equipped to take on the competition. So they tried to breath "new life" into their products line and this E424 - or better, its chassis and mechanics, were the result, among other products. As we know it didn't really work and Hornby ended up acquiring the brand and moving production to China. So yeah, that 424 you got is pretty much a Frankenstein that pairs an as-cheap-as-possible Hornby bodywork to a chassis that was originally intended to be used as a "layout monster" - that's why it looks so tacky, hides a decent mechanic and proves to be able to run quite well
In EU traction-tires are standard on all locos that has more than 6 driven wheels + all tender driven steamers always have them! You can hardy find a single EU origin manufacturer that does not uses those on their locos, except on the smallest ones! I have it on my Roco, Brawa, Trix, Jouef, Piko, Liliput, locos as well, so i need to stockpile all sizes to have replacements, luckily the most cummon size is the 9mm and 11mm ones (for Bo'bo' + Co'Co' diesel, + electric, and tender-driven locos ) in H0.
Another manufacturer in Italy you should be interested in, is A.C.M.E. one of the best model railway manufacturers in Italy out of Milan. I think that I have got the answer to why that loco was so cheap, is because the FS E.424 was never depicted in XMPR modern livery, they were only ever in the FS Isabella two-tone brown livery. The articulated FS E.636 which was originally the Isabella two-tone brown, did make it into the modern XPMR livery. The A.C.M.E. FS E.424.036 ACME cat. no. 60321, or 60329.
Being that model railroading is very expensive, this would be a locomotive that a beginner would buy. One that isn't keen on spending a lot of money but still wants to try it out or start small. For $42 or £30, I think that was an anomaly. I would get "How to" videos from Model Railroader which is an American magazine and most electric locos are like that. You would have to feed wires yourself to the pantographs to the locomotive's motor. Then you would have to fit overhead wires above the track to power it. A very tedious procedure but the results ore worth it. That is why the pantographs was metal. For serious modelers that want to realistically simulate electrified railway operations. Thanks for sharing and I enjoyed the locomotive. Sending sympathies to the Royal Family too and cheers.
You're right! It's just the build quality and paintwork would stop me recommending it to beginners... which is a great pity, as otherwise this would be a great experience for a beginner! Thanks a lot for sharing - yeah it would be tedious, but do-able for sure! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I like these cheap trains which are great value for money. Just bought a Piko db 218 dieselloco (ref 57501). I paid 66 euro for it. New. Looks very good for the money and has also a diecast chassis. And lights and a dcc socket. Like your channel very much. Greetings from Holland.
Old Piko diesels are not to be underestimated. I had a DSB My ("Nohab"), with one motor each bogie. It make original like running noises and had infinite pulling power. Unfortunately, I over did cleaning the mechanics, and the plastic bearings crumbled in whatever harsh stuff I found for cleaning fluid...
Hi Sam, thanks for this review. That loco appeared in the Lima range around 1994 and it was far from a budget model. Your Ali Express find is a simplified version with the original mecanism. Can we expect a European running session?
The mechanism design at 11:19 lends itself to a motor upgrade if desired. Universal shaft drives not needing the motor to be located within a fraction of a millimetre unlike the seventy year old idea of a worm on the end of the motor shaft still being used on expensive UK steam models. This old design making motor upgrades very difficult. Ease of upgrade shown with your Mehano rescue vid.
Another fabulous Sam's Review, the only guy I trust for accurate model train appraisal. LOVED the mustache and opera gag, that was too funny- particularly as you always come off as friendly, but businesslike. Sam. this might not be up to your usual rivet counting meticulousness, but I couldn't get my wallet out fast enough when I saw that you had posted the link. Got a nice US discount, too, so for the excess North American rubbish I've sold off on eBay I got this one for about $50, paid off in eBay sales. With those enormous pizza cutter flanges (that you didn't remark on- I was waiting for you to say something), this honey is in the tradition of the old Triang, which I collect from time to time- at great hazard to the wallet. And that motor! If the starter in my automobile breaks down, I'll just swap that monster in! If I keep watching this channel, I might sell of the whole lot of North American rubbish to focus on British OO. Everything else is so Ho-Hum, by comparison. So, thanks to you, I've also started carefully buying British Range Bachmann, again, something I swore mightily never to do, again. Well, here's to split gears and plastic chassis!
haha thanks very much Jeffrey, glad you liked it! I didn't really notice any issue with the flanges - as long as they don't drag on the sleepers, I won't complain about them! Go on, go into British OO... you won't regret it ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This just goes to show how cheap non-steam locos can be. If the livery is applied with a little more care this will be an outstanding model. With the intricate tempo printing technique of today, modern image models can easily be produced at a suitable price.
@@SamsTrains That's because it's not connected properly - it's clearly visible in one closeup that at least one of the upper arms doesn't go into the socket the skid has, but dangles past it. Quick and easy fix :D
the lima hobby line appears to be on the gauge master website. This range appears to exist as a range of budget models in HO scale. there seems to be quite an extensive range all Italian.
Hi Sam. FS is the Italian rail company that runs the high-speed trains in Italy; the Red Arrow, Silver Arrow and the White Arrow. From a distance, the paintwork isn't too bad (if you screw your eyes up), but the same can't be said for the pantographs. For around £30, I don't know why you wouldn't recommend it (assuming it could be found at that price).
After seeing your review I bought one to, specially for the mechanism as i run 0n30 and can use this chassis to make an other model myself. It runs perfectly, the only thing is that the couplers an buffers are heavily rusted. BTW love the program and I'm not even into OO scale. Ton
Bargain.Myself being a kit modeller and armed with myriads of paints ,brushes ,airbrushes,etc i would(attempt) to bring the shortcomings up to scratch.
absolutely , just cosmetic , not beyond the capabilities of a plastic modeller to rectify , would be a good basis for a freelance style I think . Wales UK.
It is a very good model for the price. I just spent £250 on a Bachmann class 150 in the northern blue, purple and white livery and I hope it is better than the £30 model.
My impression is that this loco comes from leftover second-rate quality stock that was sold a below-cost price and somehow found its way onto Aliexpress. Not a bad loco for a kid.
That one looks like it is 40 year old because it is. The separate wipers were an intermediate solution to cover the gap between this one and the totally new designed one currently sold as a Rivarossi model. The Taratuga at 19:30 is from the late 60s
@@SamsTrains Did they ever sell the stuff from the final years of Lima in the UK (what is known here as 'Lima Nova' ? Like most of the cardan drive stuff and the Rheingold that was basically a transparent shell.
A lot of people are surprised at the early dates of Italian traction. They have always been way ahead of everyone else and even had tilting trains long before the UK were dabbling with the APT.
Hi Sam The Locomotive is a FS E.424 locomotive and is a Class of Italian Railways electric Locomotives and they were built in 1943-1951 and it was decommissioned in 2008
@@jackhstproductions649 I know what you are on about but just because I have the same surname as an inbetweeners character does not mean I am related to him there lots of people with the surname Cartwright
Hello Sam, I got very lucky today. While at a small model train museum I came across a vintage Lionel 027 gauge train set and got it for 25 dollars witch is amazing considering it usually goes for about $100 to $175. plus it came with extra stuff! also fantastic review though that bullet hole hmm.
Wow! That sounds amazing actually - what a great deal! haha glad you liked it.... maybe someone decided this was good for target practice? Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have a feeling this model was as you said it could be one of a few models that were rejected due to damage or poor detail and sold on again to a warehouse seller who decided sell it well below its retail price. I have purchased 2 Bachmann rejected reworked locomotives in the past from Warley and they were sold well under the retail price and were actually good runners.
@@SamsTrains The Piko model looks to be the same class but is longer and more closer to the prototype in looks. Piko now makes good quality stuff but back then they were a middle of the road or budget brand.
Interesting video Sam, It looks as if Lima tried to add a new model to their range back in the 80's when they were improving some of their mechanisms but the quality control was so "off" that they couldn't be sold & were set aside at the back of the warehouse. The Hornby people found them after the takeover & decided to "flog them off cheap" to Aliexpress.
Pre-order Hornby B2 peckett 'Henry' arrived today. But loco completely ruined! Steps and other fitted parts snapped off in the box and the smoke box door had come off and was wedge in the cab! Any body else have the same issues with these new releases?
Hey Sam! The barcode on that box means it was meant to be sold in Italy. Lima S.p.A. stopped trading in 2004. I've learned from other people's videos that Ali Express is involved in a lot of garbage recycling especially electronic components from trashed equipment. Looks like they're recycling trashed model trains too.
Maybe the Hole in the top of the Body. Was made by Gunfire towards the End of WW2 as they were being Produced from 1943...?? It was Still kicking off During that period, to possibly have been Damaged in The Engine Shed. That had an Amazing Set of flywheels that would put better Quality Producers to Shame. Great Video Sam as Always. I would be Tempted to Repair that Bullet hole..!? But thats me..! Cheers from Downunder.😎
Maybe when Lima went into liquidation Hornby didn’t buy the moulds for the Italian stuff or more likely one of the factory’s that produces for hornby made them for the European market, These engines look really good in the plain brown livery.
It can pull 65 coaches?! Wow, it would be amazing to see a video of that! Overall it seems like good value for money although definitely let down by the horrendous assembly and paint application.
With all the quality issues you had and the fact that the box was opened and resealed. Maybe they were returns, open boxes, warrantie claims or refused production that were dumped.
Any indications where this is made on the model or box? Understand this was or id a legal requirement. My guess is near twenty year old Italian made stock. Overproduction sent Hornby Dublo bust, may have been the same for Lima. Die casting holding up well as opposed to recent makers concentrating on detail with huge impacts on cost, fragility and short running lives before needing replacement. Detail that you cannot see running on the track, but you can see the running quality of this Lima.
In 1991 I took a reasonable photo of E424.279 arriving at Ferrara with a passenger train from Rimini. Looking carefully at this, I am inclined to agree with Sho Kiryu's opinion, that the body sits too high above the chassis. 🤔
I would definitely buy this loco. With a bit of a paint makeover and some additional LED lighting I think it would be a respectable locomotive to add to the fleet.
I always follow you in your very interesting videos, and even I'm surprised to see a metal chassis in a model of only 30 pounds !!! The model is an old Lima from the 80s-90s. Then when Rivarossi and Lima became Hornby, he redid the mechanics, partly from the 90s and also new, with cheaper materials. A small note: as a E444 turtle's fan I can't really see it with freight wagons (it was a bit like Gordon, picky, only passengers coaches😁😁)
Great bargain loco! Yes the livery is a bit messy, and the red plastic on the pantographs look a bit naff, but from a short distance it looks good. As others have already commented, it would seem easy enough to have a go and repaint this. Other manufacturers take note at what features this has for the price.
I recently got an old Lima GWR railcar as my first non-North American piece. It's used, so I had to clean the wheels, but after that it runs well. Of course it's not compatible with the knuckle couplers on all my other stuff, but I'm happy.
I don't see how they can't make cheap toolings now, it is possible a few decades ago. Like if you make an Electrostar with this level of detail it won't be half bad, and with modern image Privatisation you can make them in loads of colourful liveries. Much better than Brickpunk I think.
Hello Sam great video can't believe it was fairly decent for price weird question is there any chassis you can replace it with maybe a broken triang chassis
XMPR is the livery that was used on most trains in Italy form 1995 to 2017, FS stands for Ferrovie dello Stato (State's Railway).
The name XMPR comes from the studio that designed it, and guess what, it's from the UK :D It is now called Mice Group plc.
It is one of the most hated liveries in the history of Italian trains, people that like it are really rare. Personally, I don't think its so bad, however with all that white, trains were usually always dirty.
For the locomotive: this model was used on some starter sets that were sold in supermarkets etc here in Italy, especially during Christmas and holidays
The logo on the front is one of the logos of the Italian railways, not the logo of the class. Some classes had their logo in Italy, usually of an animal (Tiger, Turtle etc) but not this one.
Thanks very much for sharing - I must say I quite like this livery!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
i'll joyn those livery haters right here....one of those late 80s early 90s colours....disgusting.....;-(
@@stratman9449 actually the XMPR was first introduced in 1995 xD
E424 had three different liveries, first built in castano-isabella (light brown with a darker brown roof and underframe), a few received a "navetta" livery in the 1980s for push/pull trains (grey with red and orange stripes) and remarkably the XMPR was applied to a good number of locomotives that were already quite old. I think it looks good when new and clean, unfortunately it was not always well kept. Personally I found the dirty brown liveries of old FS that survived into the 1980s/90s on some classes rather ugly. It's a matter of taste.
@@uncinarynin One of the main reasons for the hatred (which I share completely) is that the XMPR livery pretty much uniformed and flattened everything on the networks. The Italian railways were unique through the 1960-1990 time frame for having an array of different liveries, applied to some of the most striking rolling stock (especially locomotives) in the world. Some of these liveries were admittedly a bit dull (the "Castano-Isabella" one, for example, created mostly to hide dirt and rust), but others were absolutely stunning like the blue-fog grey-blue on the E444/E656/E636, the green-fog grey-green on the E646 - not to mention the bright red livery on the MDVE carriages and pilots. You could stand by the side of the railway and in 1 hour, you'd hardly see two identical trains go by, then the XMPR arrived and it all ended. I guess another reason is also the fact that XMPR arrived at the time when rail travel largely lost most of its appeal in favour of airlines, so trains went from being associated with holidays, good times and adventure to being pretty much a "people crammed in like cattle to go to work" thing. In many enthusiasts' view, that is an association that is difficult to overlook.
I have a couple of theories about how that specific Lima E424 model (it's a true proper Lima model, certainly not a knock-off) came up for sale on AliExpress for such a cheap price:
A)
As you mentioned in the video, the E424 class is a rather old locomotive, with all units having been retired from service between 2001 and January 2007 (end of regular services - they were officially written off in 2008). The model itself in the above form (wich is intended as an "entry level" model - Lima also made "high end" versions) has been a staple of start-sets and was commonly seen on sale until atleast the mid-2010s, a full decade after the retirement of the real-life units. My guess is that one day, some high-ups at Lima realized this, and ordered the manufacturer in China to halt E424 production, as they might have tought that they "wouldn't sell" anymore. The manufacturer probably had (or still has) some still in stock, and with Lima unwilling to accept another batch of E424s, it put them on sale itslef (or trough some intermediary) on AliExpress in an attempt to make up for the manufacturing costs.
B)
My other theory, wich i find more plausible, is that this model in particular (and several others like it) weren't accepted by Lima or did not even pass the Chinese quality control due to manufacturing defects (the paintjob is badly made and so are the writings, there are plenty of glue marks, the "bullet hole" on the roof should be the hole for the whistle, the pantographs were clearly assembled in the wrong way and so on), so, again, the manufacturer put them on sale itself on AliExpress in an attempt to make up for the manufacturing costs.
It would be interesting to compare it to a proper "Lima-sold" model of the same type.
I also suspect that many of your "cheap" model trains (specifically the PKP Oi2 a.k.a. the "Cheap & Nasty 0-4-0") might have been defective models refused by the model company and put on sale by the manufacturer itself (the afromentioned Oi2 is an actual proper PIKO model).
the second one certainly makes sense, it explains why these locomotives are very low quality.
“Nefarious Knockoffs” would make a good mini series.
haha that's true!! Sadly we don't see many of them though :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Why dont you ask the comments to find some
@@derekheeps8012 can’t be bothered.
@@SamsTrains Lima models are decent. i own a few of them!
also congrats on 100k subs ;)
@@SamsTrains hi Sam I am thinking about getting an American HO locomotive with 6 coaches when I am 18 years old and I decide to go to America 🇺🇸
I've just got an answer regarding this. This is an email I got from Hornby.
"this locomotive has been made some years ago by Hornby Italy. This kind of model was a part of Lima Hobby Line Range destined to the Italian toy market. The retail price was € 45."
This is from the Head of Hornby Italia.
Some years ago is probably the 90’s.
Wow what a incredible locomotive. It's such good value and that mechanism blew me away. Flywheels on a 30£ loco is insane. Lights as well. I wish there are more budget locomotives like this one today but maybe at a slightly higher build quality. If the quality is better I would be ready to pay 40£ for this. Great review, Sam
Honestly, aside from the paintwork, I think this loco looks and runs really quite well, even to the point that some "proper" models are put to shame (let's say for instance the Heljan 1361......)
I'm seriously considering buying this - the mechanism is fabulous and with a touch up of some of the paint and removal of some glue, this could be a bargain electric loco.
Great review as always, I think it's your best AliExpress model so far. 👍
haha you're not wrong - mechanically this was miles better than I expected it to be! For the right price, why not?? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Outstanding bargain. I was looking to run an Italian train on my layout and this was a serious joy to get for that price. I managed to get a fully detailed replacement shell on ebay for 10 euros in the earlier FS tan livery (which I wanted) and I was over the moon.
Lima E. 424 unboxed and breaking in today. No sprung buffers, but it does have the as-promised separately added windshield wipers, which I shall be connecting to a DCC chip and set to a "mist" function. The thing runs like silk and the pantographs extend fully, one just has to carefully untangle it from the brass spring. It is a beautiful and charming model, and that my North American friends don't know British from Outer Mongolia, it blends right in. Thank you, Sam, for bringing this lovely piece to our attention.
Can they tell an Italian train from a British one. Especially as Italian electric trains could never run in Britain.
Extremely good value though.
@@johnd8892 Much to my good fortune, they cannot. Italian, British, Mongolian, Ukrainian, Irish, all the same to North American eyes. I ran it for a few hours today, and it only got better with breaking in. Lovely piece. I don't want to foul Sam's superb site, but I shot some video of this gem. Since my Avatar does not link to my channel, you may find it on TH-cam under the title: "Electrifying Developments in Olive Oil Distribution." Turns out this fabulous piece has couplers perfectly compatible with my treasured Electrotren stuff.
The great e424. Such a beautiful engine. Xmpr livery used since 2000 from Trenitalia. Love it. Saluti!
Thanks for sharing - I am a fan of the E424 now!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think it is a great loco for the price. As you’ve said, it does need work. I think it could be a great addition to your yard if you wanted to put the work into it. Wouldn’t take much to bring it up to snuff mechanically and as far as the body, I would strip it down and repaint, add more brass details, weather and now you have an incredible loco.
I agree Richard - with a bit of work, this could be more than passable! :D
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2:25 the logo on the bottom of the box says "Hornby Italia", which tells me that it isn't a knock off - it's just a model that was exclusive to Italy which is why it never appeared anywhere over here in England
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@@TankEngine75 Diamond_dude is right. It is the part of the cheap line for the Italian market. While E424 was very important for Italian railways being the light electric engine for short distance services, it never had the XMPR livery applied. The last ones to leave the services were painted in the so called "Navetta" (means shuttle) livery, alluminium gray with orange and red decorations.
@@GianUbertoLauri Cool
I’d love to see someone do a DCC and sound installation into this. Judging by the light board and dual flywheel motor it looks possible to fit a motherboard with a N18 or 21pin socket and fit ESU sound into it
Hey Sam
I probably would turn it into a fictitious Military Loco. by repainting in Forest Green Camouflage, remove orange roof fittings and replace with machine gun nests, front and back.... Worth while doing to a brand new loco at a Bargain price! We really appreciate you locating and reviewing these "gems" .
That sounds great Selywn - what a cool idea! :D
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Fascinating, I've spotted those on other Chinese "possible knock off" sites but dismissed is as something that would never work, thanks for taking the plunge and grabbing one and showing it's better than I suspected!
I purchased a Lima Hobby Line HL2311 (diesel shunter) on Amazon for £39 (in Jan), for the price it is amazing, lights, smooth running and quiet. Better than a Hornby pocket without doubt!! and another great review Sam
Hi Sam. I got two of these locos just over a year ago. I paid £25 for them brand new from eBay. They were described as ‘China made’.
Lovely smooth runners with directional lights. I use them to test my track and for general running on the layout while I work.
Absolute bargains.
By the way mine were pristine and unmarked 👍
Regards .... Steve
Sam I wish I could live in the UK you get such great deals for our hobby in your country. You never see anything like that in this country. Great video I think you got a great deal. Keep those great videos coming.
It's worth checking Aliexpress, you might be able to get a similar deal! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Love the mustache and opera gag, that was HILARIOUS. Clearly, not up to your rivet counting meticulousness, I saw this review and its stimulated horn and plastered on wipers and couldn't get my wallet out fast enough. Got a nice discount, too. I was waiting for you to comment on the pizza cutter flanges (you said not a word), but when I saw that monster motor and dual flywheels, it brought memories of Playcraft and Triang, only re-introduced with a fuzzy paint job. HAD to have it. Ka-ching.
Hoping to run my new BACHMANN Duke Dog today. I had previously sworn on the souls of my children I would never again buy a Bachmann product, but your review was, as always, precise and methodical, and I loved the concept, so I bought one, and paid half as much more for the international shipping. I do hope Bachmann continues to provide us quality mechs. If they continue to do so, I will shell out the bucks, once I've seen it reviewed by Sam.
Hi Sam, did it some hunting, good news it's not a fake Lima, found it in 2018 review by Budget Railways, this loco was available from Hornby at that time for 41GBP (E-Bay 31GBP), also available were two Lima coaches same livery for 12.50GBP each in bubble packs. My guess is that Ali Express has bulk bought remaining stocks of the loco, or got a licence from Hornby Italia to get a new batch from the Hong Kong based manufacturer as a one off. .... Drew
Ahh very interesting - I'll have to check out that video too then... yeah maybe you're right there then??
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Like your honesty. You Just say what's on your mind. Fair enough.
haha thanks John!
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Thank you Sam for reviewing this product I love these loco !!
@Sam'sTrains The reason this specific model is so surprising is that it was not created to be a toy, nor "cheap" at all - it is pretty much a collector's model from a few decades ago - the chassis and mechanics are from the early 1990s (1994, to be specific), while the injection mold for the body is a modification of one made in the 1960s.
Lima has a troubled history as a brand - starting out making toys, then models "for everyone" (meaning, not priced at silly high levels), until the late 1980s/early 1990s, when the appeal of trainsets as toys diminished and they found themselves competing in the modelers' market, without being really well equipped to take on the competition. So they tried to breath "new life" into their products line and this E424 - or better, its chassis and mechanics, were the result, among other products. As we know it didn't really work and Hornby ended up acquiring the brand and moving production to China.
So yeah, that 424 you got is pretty much a Frankenstein that pairs an as-cheap-as-possible Hornby bodywork to a chassis that was originally intended to be used as a "layout monster" - that's why it looks so tacky, hides a decent mechanic and proves to be able to run quite well
In EU traction-tires are standard on all locos that has more than 6 driven wheels + all tender driven steamers always have them! You can hardy find a single EU origin manufacturer that does not uses those on their locos, except on the smallest ones! I have it on my Roco, Brawa, Trix, Jouef, Piko, Liliput, locos as well, so i need to stockpile all sizes to have replacements, luckily the most cummon size is the 9mm and 11mm ones (for Bo'bo' + Co'Co' diesel, + electric, and tender-driven locos ) in H0.
BTW try one of Piko's Hobby series diesel or electric loco you'll have a nice surprise!
Another manufacturer in Italy you should be interested in, is A.C.M.E. one of the best model railway manufacturers in Italy out of Milan. I think that I have got the answer to why that loco was so cheap, is because the FS E.424 was never depicted in XMPR modern livery, they were only ever in the FS Isabella two-tone brown livery. The articulated FS E.636 which was originally the Isabella two-tone brown, did make it into the modern XPMR livery. The A.C.M.E. FS E.424.036 ACME cat. no. 60321, or 60329.
That sounds great - I'll have to look into those too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Being that model railroading is very expensive, this would be a locomotive that a beginner would buy. One that isn't keen on spending a lot of money but still wants to try it out or start small. For $42 or £30, I think that was an anomaly. I would get "How to" videos from Model Railroader which is an American magazine and most electric locos are like that. You would have to feed wires yourself to the pantographs to the locomotive's motor. Then you would have to fit overhead wires above the track to power it. A very tedious procedure but the results ore worth it. That is why the pantographs was metal. For serious modelers that want to realistically simulate electrified railway operations. Thanks for sharing and I enjoyed the locomotive. Sending sympathies to the Royal Family too and cheers.
You're right! It's just the build quality and paintwork would stop me recommending it to beginners... which is a great pity, as otherwise this would be a great experience for a beginner! Thanks a lot for sharing - yeah it would be tedious, but do-able for sure!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I like these cheap trains which are great value for money. Just bought a Piko db 218 dieselloco (ref 57501). I paid 66 euro for it. New. Looks very good for the money and has also a diecast chassis. And lights and a dcc socket. Like your channel very much. Greetings from Holland.
Old Piko diesels are not to be underestimated. I had a DSB My ("Nohab"), with one motor each bogie. It make original like running noises and had infinite pulling power. Unfortunately, I over did cleaning the mechanics, and the plastic bearings crumbled in whatever harsh stuff I found for cleaning fluid...
Hi Sam, thanks for this review. That loco appeared in the Lima range around 1994 and it was far from a budget model. Your Ali Express find is a simplified version with the original mecanism. Can we expect a European running session?
Going to request his Lima Swiss Ae 6/6 some time, that is nice. And/or this one.
Congrats on 100K Sam!!
Thanks so much Rick! :D
The mechanism design at 11:19 lends itself to a motor upgrade if desired. Universal shaft drives not needing the motor to be located within a fraction of a millimetre unlike the seventy year old idea of a worm on the end of the motor shaft still being used on expensive UK steam models. This old design making motor upgrades very difficult.
Ease of upgrade shown with your Mehano rescue vid.
That's very true John - I might even do that at some point, would be interesting!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I always know there will be a day when you can't reply to all comments. It was fun while it lasted, still appreciate your effort. :)
I'm doing my best! :D
Out of morbid curiosity, did the performance improve with some minor servicing?
Another fabulous Sam's Review, the only guy I trust for accurate model train appraisal. LOVED the mustache and opera gag, that was too funny- particularly as you always come off as friendly, but businesslike. Sam. this might not be up to your usual rivet counting meticulousness, but I couldn't get my wallet out fast enough when I saw that you had posted the link. Got a nice US discount, too, so for the excess North American rubbish I've sold off on eBay I got this one for about $50, paid off in eBay sales. With those enormous pizza cutter flanges (that you didn't remark on- I was waiting for you to say something), this honey is in the tradition of the old Triang, which I collect from time to time- at great hazard to the wallet. And that motor! If the starter in my automobile breaks down, I'll just swap that monster in!
If I keep watching this channel, I might sell of the whole lot of North American rubbish to focus on British OO. Everything else is so Ho-Hum, by comparison. So, thanks to you, I've also started carefully buying British Range Bachmann, again, something I swore mightily never to do, again. Well, here's to split gears and plastic chassis!
haha thanks very much Jeffrey, glad you liked it! I didn't really notice any issue with the flanges - as long as they don't drag on the sleepers, I won't complain about them! Go on, go into British OO... you won't regret it ;)
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
My Lima came in, and it is absolutely wonderful. Just as you described.
This just goes to show how cheap non-steam locos can be. If the livery is applied with a little more care this will be an outstanding model. With the intricate tempo printing technique of today, modern image models can easily be produced at a suitable price.
Ah I think you are supposed to pull the pantographs up higher so they are a bit like a Diamond vertically
haha that's as far as mine went... they made unpleasant cracking noises if I pushed them any further! xD
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@@SamsTrains That's because it's not connected properly - it's clearly visible in one closeup that at least one of the upper arms doesn't go into the socket the skid has, but dangles past it. Quick and easy fix :D
the lima hobby line appears to be on the gauge master website. This range appears to exist as a range of budget models in HO scale. there seems to be quite an extensive range all Italian.
Hi Sam. FS is the Italian rail company that runs the high-speed trains in Italy; the Red Arrow, Silver Arrow and the White Arrow. From a distance, the paintwork isn't too bad (if you screw your eyes up), but the same can't be said for the pantographs. For around £30, I don't know why you wouldn't recommend it (assuming it could be found at that price).
Many thanks for sharing this Paul, appreciate the info! Sure, I could recommend it for £30 if you don't mind the faults!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
After seeing your review I bought one to, specially for the mechanism as i run 0n30 and can use this chassis to make an other model myself.
It runs perfectly, the only thing is that the couplers an buffers are heavily rusted.
BTW love the program and I'm not even into OO scale.
Ton
P.s. It cost me € 55,59 incl. shipping
Bargain.Myself being a kit modeller and armed with myriads of paints ,brushes ,airbrushes,etc i would(attempt) to bring the shortcomings up to scratch.
absolutely , just cosmetic , not beyond the capabilities of a plastic modeller to rectify , would be a good basis for a freelance style I think . Wales UK.
Great idea Alan - you could totally do that!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Love it, takes me right back! Loved being pulled or pushed by these in the 1980s
Ahh fantastic - you're familiar with them then?! :D
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It is a very good model for the price. I just spent £250 on a Bachmann class 150 in the northern blue, purple and white livery and I hope it is better than the £30 model.
You're right - compared with some of the modern stuff, this is very reasonable! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
My impression is that this loco comes from leftover second-rate quality stock that was sold a below-cost price and somehow found its way onto Aliexpress.
Not a bad loco for a kid.
That one looks like it is 40 year old because it is. The separate wipers were an intermediate solution to cover the gap between this one and the totally new designed one currently sold as a Rivarossi model.
The Taratuga at 19:30 is from the late 60s
Ahh very interesting Ivo, thanks for sharing this! :D
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@@SamsTrains Did they ever sell the stuff from the final years of Lima in the UK (what is known here as 'Lima Nova' ? Like most of the cardan drive stuff and the Rheingold that was basically a transparent shell.
A lot of people are surprised at the early dates of Italian traction. They have always been way ahead of everyone else and even had tilting trains long before the UK were dabbling with the APT.
Ahh interesting - I really need to learn more about them then! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This looks more like a second hand product.
The "bullet hole" is there to fit the whistle (looks like it was fitted and removed afterwards).
haha it does a bit - though it was bought new!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That's quite an intriguing loco there, nice video
Thanks a lot - glad you thought so!! :D
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Hi Sam The Locomotive is a FS E.424 locomotive and is a Class of Italian Railways electric Locomotives and they were built in 1943-1951 and it was decommissioned in 2008
Are you related to Jay Cartwright 😂
@@jackhstproductions649 No why
@@lewiscartwright3609 ah I guess you have never seen a TV Show called the inbetweeners. One of the characters is called Jay Cartwright
@@jackhstproductions649 I know what you are on about but just because I have the same surname as an inbetweeners character does not mean I am related to him there lots of people with the surname Cartwright
Yes that's right - thanks for sharing Lewis! :D
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Congrats on 100k!!
Thank you so much!! :D
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Hello Sam, I got very lucky today. While at a small model train museum I came across a vintage Lionel 027 gauge train set and got it for 25 dollars witch is amazing considering it usually goes for about $100 to $175. plus it came with extra stuff! also fantastic review though that bullet hole hmm.
Wow! That sounds amazing actually - what a great deal! haha glad you liked it.... maybe someone decided this was good for target practice?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The "bullet hole" is where an air whistle should be fitted. It looks like it was broken off at some stage.
With some repainting of those pantographs to tone them down a bit, and unjamming whatever prevents them from fully extending, it will be real nice!
I brought the chassis bogies from them, they were really good and brand new.
Love these kind of bargain videos, always lots of fun.
Quite a pretty model!! It’s a better looking locomotive than it has a right to be at that price!!
I have a feeling this model was as you said it could be one of a few models that were rejected due to damage or poor detail and sold on again to a warehouse seller who decided sell it well below its retail price.
I have purchased 2 Bachmann rejected reworked locomotives in the past from Warley and they were sold well under the retail price and were actually good runners.
Thanks Ben - yeah totally looks like it could be a reject doesn't it? Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have the same locomotive , made by Piko Modellbahn in East Germany. Bought it in 1989 at a small hobby store in Paris.
Ahh by Piko? Is it the same thing then??
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains The Piko model looks to be the same class but is longer and more closer to the prototype in looks. Piko now makes good quality stuff but back then they were a middle of the road or budget brand.
Correct me if I'm wrong but... there isn't anywhere to fit the vacuum pipes?
No holes in the buffer beams or cab fronts to mount the tabs into
Ooh really?!? That never occurred to me... lol!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Awesome video today Sam it has baffled me on the mechanism but wow a hidden gem. thanks
I know - I really wasn't expecting that!! xD
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Interesting video Sam, It looks as if Lima tried to add a new model to their range back in the 80's when they were improving some of their mechanisms but the quality control was so "off" that they couldn't be sold & were set aside at the back of the warehouse. The Hornby people found them after the takeover & decided to "flog them off cheap" to Aliexpress.
Very interesting - I definitely wouldn't be surprised if this was a reject!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Although I would never look at it as a locomotive that I would purchase, it’s certainly running reasonably!! It’s showing up some of our own makers!!
RIP El Cheapo, Sam's corner won't be the same without your presence.
haha he's not gone... I'll bring him back for the next cheap thing! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Speaking of which Do you remember the British Chemical Comical train set? I got it a while back and boy oh boy ain't it something..
Yes I have been waiting for this! I love these electric locos. :D
Awesome- hope you like it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
These are probably the best electric locos their ever were
haha you think?!? ;D
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Pre-order Hornby B2 peckett 'Henry' arrived today. But loco completely ruined! Steps and other fitted parts snapped off in the box and the smoke box door had come off and was wedge in the cab! Any body else have the same issues with these new releases?
Hey Sam! The barcode on that box means it was meant to be sold in Italy. Lima S.p.A. stopped trading in 2004. I've learned from other people's videos that Ali Express is involved in a lot of garbage recycling especially electronic components from trashed equipment. Looks like they're recycling trashed model trains too.
Very interesting Norbert - wonder if you're right?!
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Maybe the Hole in the top of the Body.
Was made by Gunfire towards the End of WW2 as they were being Produced from 1943...??
It was Still kicking off During that period, to possibly have been Damaged in The Engine Shed.
That had an Amazing Set of flywheels that would put better Quality Producers to Shame.
Great Video Sam as Always.
I would be Tempted to Repair that Bullet hole..!?
But thats me..!
Cheers from Downunder.😎
Sam if the hornby pecket was at 30£ or $30 would you buy multiple of them?
Oh absolutely!! xD
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Maybe when Lima went into liquidation Hornby didn’t buy the moulds for the Italian stuff or more likely one of the factory’s that produces for hornby made them for the European market,
These engines look really good in the plain brown livery.
Wow a mystery. My guess is this is a model of the model produced by Martin, and they keep making these after Hornby Lima stopped.
haha may, maybe Martin did do this?!?
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I think he ment marklin
I was talking about Martinmartmartinson. :/
6:52 the join between the green and the green
Correct me if I'm wrong but...isn't that white and green?
I think that's cream and green... or off-white if you will! ;D
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It can pull 65 coaches?! Wow, it would be amazing to see a video of that! Overall it seems like good value for money although definitely let down by the horrendous assembly and paint application.
The way you said Oi in the Oi 229 train review on the last cheap and nasty review always cracks me up 😂😂
haha!! xD
With all the quality issues you had and the fact that the box was opened and resealed. Maybe they were returns, open boxes, warrantie claims or refused production that were dumped.
Hi Sam, Not to bad, send a hint of to Hornby, good little runner. It does the job, All the Best Brian 🤗
Thanks a lot Brian - yeah absolutely!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It's probably the sort of loco that'll go on for ever.
Great video sam
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Good looking locomotive !
Any indications where this is made on the model or box?
Understand this was or id a legal requirement.
My guess is near twenty year old Italian made stock.
Overproduction sent Hornby Dublo bust, may have been the same for Lima.
Die casting holding up well as opposed to recent makers concentrating on detail with huge impacts on cost, fragility and short running lives before needing replacement.
Detail that you cannot see running on the track, but you can see the running quality of this Lima.
That's a good point, I don't recall seeing anything, but I will double check!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
In 1991 I took a reasonable photo of E424.279 arriving at Ferrara with a passenger train from Rimini. Looking carefully at this, I am inclined to agree with Sho Kiryu's opinion, that the body sits too high above the chassis. 🤔
Been waiting for you to find this. Seen them listed for a while
haha yeah - I've had it a little while.... glad I got one now! :D
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25:40 bullman
Back on Ali Express again, but now £54.25. Still pretty good value, not quite as jawdropping cheap as before.
if you like electric locos try the kato EF-81 and EF-65. there Japanese electrics excellent models with the strength to pull a ton.
That sounds good - thanks a lot for that, I'll look into it!
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Hi Sam your vids are great! Have you done a review of the class 08? 😃
Thanks so much! I have, but only the Bachmann and Tri-ang ones so far!
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Hi, have you ever considered to try some Rivarossi trains?
He already have a couple
@@matteomarmiroli1713 yes, but one is a French loco and another a normal military wagon... Not Fs gruop loco, or uci-x-z passengers wagons
I have a few, but nothing modern!
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Will you change your dc controller into dcc controller, dcc controller have consists
I would definitely buy this loco. With a bit of a paint makeover and some additional LED lighting I think it would be a respectable locomotive to add to the fleet.
Yeah you're right - if you're willing to put in the work, it's a perfect project!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I always follow you in your very interesting videos, and even I'm surprised to see a metal chassis in a model of only 30 pounds !!!
The model is an old Lima from the 80s-90s. Then when Rivarossi and Lima became Hornby, he redid the mechanics, partly from the 90s and also new, with cheaper materials.
A small note: as a E444 turtle's fan I can't really see it with freight wagons (it was a bit like Gordon, picky, only passengers coaches😁😁)
I suppose if the pulling power and mechanism is good, the chassis at least could provide a good basis for diesel/Electric custom models
hey Sam this is a old lima locomotive.
Hobby Line is the cheap category of lima locomotives.
Also some e424 were geared to go 120km/h with a 21/65 gear ratio
Oh nice - I didn't know that! :O
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Great bargain loco! Yes the livery is a bit messy, and the red plastic on the pantographs look a bit naff, but from a short distance it looks good. As others have already commented, it would seem easy enough to have a go and repaint this.
Other manufacturers take note at what features this has for the price.
Thanks a lot -yeah it's not perfect, but easily okay for the money!! :D
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What terms do you search on ali express? I only get lego listings
I think the Lima locos are fantastic for the price. Great entry level locomotives. And something a little funky for the layout.
I agree - pity more of them aren't available!
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I recently got an old Lima GWR railcar as my first non-North American piece. It's used, so I had to clean the wheels, but after that it runs well. Of course it's not compatible with the knuckle couplers on all my other stuff, but I'm happy.
Never knew you had wagon lits coaches. Those need to make a comeback in a big way.
Which ones mate?! Not too sure what you mean! xD
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@@SamsTrains TheNw1218 is talking about the "Orient Express" coaches at 17:55.
I recommend something athearn blue box I don't know about new but used you can't go wrong
That does sound cool - I'll have to investigate that! :D
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I don't see how they can't make cheap toolings now, it is possible a few decades ago. Like if you make an Electrostar with this level of detail it won't be half bad, and with modern image Privatisation you can make them in loads of colourful liveries. Much better than Brickpunk I think.
Awesome video today Sam might have to get one
Thanks so much James - if you can find one for the right price, I could recommend it! :D
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Finally we italian have the train spotlite
Pls, next do the italian steam locomotive (if you can gind them)
You are great man - Federico
Hello Sam great video can't believe it was fairly decent for price weird question is there any chassis you can replace it with maybe a broken triang chassis
I couldn't believe it either, haha! I can't think of a tri-ang chassis that could fit, but maybe you could adapt one?
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Sounds like a perfect project for a repaint
Totally perfect for that! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)