I think these vids could be improved if you had the tiles to fiddle with as you talk - just reading out the infodump to camera comes across as a bit dry. Looking forwards to the vids with more making in them though.
The dragonlock now have both wall with floor and wall floor separate with everything you need to make a layout ie half floor 1/4 floor and longer and shorter walls plus they have a castle and tower system and there traps are awesome, yes im a fanboy lol also they have clips to make them compatible with the other sets now too
Awesome coverage man! Especially the differences/pros/cons. We are in a shining time for terrain modding and theres nowhere to go except into the luscious beyond now that 3D printing is becoming more accessible to the crowd. I spent half a year going over some of the points you brought up in my own work- I cant wait to let rip here soon! ~Fen
A way to get the flexibility of the rampage/openlock system, as well as the better floors, is to combine the two. You can do this either by offsetting the print so the unwanted parts are not printed, or by editing the .stl files (in meshmixer, for example), I've done this successfully with the TileScape tiles, as I backed them due to the nice tiles they had, but I wanted to use the openlock system and a more regular 2x2" grid pattern. I could write up a guide on how to do this, as it's fairly easy (I suck at 3D editing, so it had to be)
I would love to see a guide. I did one piece in meshmixer putting a floor texture on a rampage base. While I succeeded in the end it took me many hours and I would not call it easy. Maybe you are better at 3D than you think.
I agree. I would think you could design the floor tiles to be able to add doors, walls and other features. Being able to add magnets makes for greater flexibility. Research all the options available before starting to see which system best fits your gaming and players preferences.
I´m not that much into D&D but just had a look at the OpenForge Range. Man, hard to believe that such a Variety of great Files is offered for free. I´d totally use that System and leave a massive Tip for the Creator.
I'm struggling to find places that have the rampage tiles outside the basic stone and wood tiles. Printable scenery site sometimes has the wall/floor separated tiles but most of their site looks like openlock where they're combined.
So I know I'm catching this video late but after trying out all the different systems I prefer the Rocket Pig Tilescape. It has a framework that allows you to swap a plain tile with something more interesting that your players discovered without having it visible from the start. Investigation check reveals a spike trap or one of the tiles is a mimic! You don't have to tear the section apart or leave it to imagination.
I do know that the TileScape by Rocket Pig Games has made a clip that acts as a converter/connector to work with the other systems. Also, with the 3x3 design, they can do some much more ornate and unique wall systems, particularly in the Cavern and Sewer/Pipeline sets. It's the ornate style that got me. But I love all the currently available systems available.
I agree I like the textures on the basic dragonlock system the best. Also I think the dragon lock clipping system the best. But the sheer range and variety of OpenLOCK makes it the one I am printing the most. Rampage has some really interesting and clever pieces like the print in place doors. (I really love printable scenery one off buildings of you are doing a town/outdoor scene). Tilescape should be easy to integrate as long as it is it's own room, particularly if you make it in 6 inch sections (2 Tilescape pieces match up against 3 from most other systems) Tilescapes has some really interesting feature pieces coming, and a large variety of floors. I backed its kickstarter mainly because I wanted their sewers which are still yet to come. Basic ones will work well for fantasy but I also want to do a modern/batman sewer using the sewers with pipes set.
You should got your new friend to give you some Samples to review wit these, I also would have liked more pictures of these different tiles , and maybe one with them together for comparison.
I prefer how thin the Tilescape Tiles are. Everything else is too chunky for my liking. I want more room with less tiles. Tilescape is perfect for this. Sadly they moved away from that with their second kickstarter. But the full coreset is completely free now so no complaints from me!
I ❤️ dragonlock. You failed to mention that Dragonlock has separate walls and floors too, as well as half walls and traps you can add or remove to walls. I don’t think you looked around that much while visiting the site. There are also adapters for dragonlock to rampage (i.e. printablescenery) pieces. Works great for me. Check out 3D Print-Terrain kickstarters too. Great stuff! Tilescape’s pieces are a lot bigger and their connecting system is quite flimsy. They don’t have a good system, and most of the time none at all, for making multi story structures. I did but their complete Gothic City Kickstarter set and I love many things about it, but I always end up scaling the pieces down by at least 70%
ive seen people print certain tiles on edge to maximize how many they can fit on the print bed at one time, but for me that's just asking for trouble, one wrong bump or breeze that comes into the room and all 40+ tiles that you have going are gonna have a huge line through them that you regret forever I print 4 at a time of the 3x3 tiles or 9 of the 2x2s, reasonable print times and havent had any problems yet I think this came out before Devon Jones came out with the magnetic Openlock system, which i have been using and it's amazing. a bit of an investment to buy 5mm magnets in bulk, but for the ease of use i couldnt be happier
I'm just starting out, so I'm only printing one at a time, tweaking things and whatnot, but the goal is to print a lot at once. Having to be at your machine every ~2 hours to take off a single print and set up a new one isn't an efficient use of time. Setting it up to do multiple tiles for 8-10 hours means I can run it when I leave in the morning or overnight without much wasted time.
Nias Workshop i print the tiles at 200 microns. depending on the system no infill for fat dragon, printed scenery think 15% or what he suggests. nozzle is .4
A pet peve is overly exaggerated groves between tiles. When the gap scales to 4 inches wide and 6 inches deep... that's to much and that is what I got printing sample Open Forge tiles. The gaps in brickwork shouldn't be as wide or deep as a figure's finger. My finger is to big to fit between bricks in a typical brick wall. We don't see as bad over-width spacing on the wood floors, but they are still gapped more than is appropriate. Reducing the exaggeration of detail would allow 3D printing using a lot less material and much faster. ************** Making your own tiles, its much faster to just go ahead and use the foam methods. Hot wire the foam to size, apply simple techniques to texture the surface and paint. Hours to 3D print a "10 X 10" tile... or seconds to hot wire and a couple of minutes to texture it.
I am very new to 3d printing. can someone please tell me how long it would take to print out the Rampage Castle trial pack? 1 print session. 1 of each part.
NO NO NO NO! This guy doesn’t know what he is talking about. Although he has a tidy and schweet work space, he clearly doesn’t have that much experience with any other system other than Rampage. If you want to know the truth about tile sets, keep reading because I use them all, plus some. Every popular tile system has miserable walls. That is walls that snap into the floor and don’t interfere with the grid. All of them. This is how I know this guy has minimal experience with these “other” sets. You do them injustice. Is Rampage paying you? 1) OpenForge - Everything about DevonJones and OpenForge is true. You can also find his creations under Openlock which are 100% compatible with OpenForge. Who cares if they aren’t 100% to scale with other makers, there’s more than anoigh to create any structure you want. You can drown yourself in tiles and they just keep coming, it’s crazy! They look fantastic and they rock! 3) Dragonlock - Is entirely compatible with Rampage. In fact, both of their official sites offer conversion clips to use them interchangeably. Their modular village buildings are awesome. There are a lot of licensed file creators on drivethrurpg for Dragonlock tiles. There are also free tiles on their forum. They also will make pieces on fan requests. The Fatdragongames community is fantastic! 2) Rampage - Nice tiles but their build systems are fairly limited. No modular village buildings at all. If you buy a village building from them then that’s what you have to build. Their village buildings’s definition is underwhelming and the majority of defining them will lie in your painting them. They are overpriced unless you get in on a kickstarter. Buy in bundles if you can. Finally, there are long delays between releasing new sets. It isn’t clear that they will be releasing anymore modular sets again. Tilescapes - It has potential and are easy to assemble. I did notice that the corners of buildings and other sets that have asymmetrical details don’t line up, such as the wood floors. Corner pieces for buildings can be tricky and limiting when using bump outs. They use up a lot of filament to print. I scale mine down a bit. If they reached out to the fan community and fixed the few issues, it would be a great system. The detail designs in all pieces are omfg incredible. No joke! And they are newer on the scene than the others so it’s hard to give them crap about any of these things when they offer such nice pieces. Check out the Gothic City Kickstarter they had. It’s impressive. Give them time and I’m sure they’ll figure out the kinks.
lol, hey there! Having a preference that differs from your own doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I've printed hundred of tiles from almost literally every system that exists, including some that the general public doesn't even have access to. I think the big thing you're missing is that this video was from 2017. At that time Rampage had -- by far -- the largest variety of wall and floor sections available, giving users more flexibility than any of the other systems at the time. Dragonlock, for instance, was not compatible with Rampage at the time this video was made unless you used some of the community made conversion clips. Also not sure why you think I'm being partial to Rampage when I clearly state that Dragonlock tiles were the best looking in my opinion, lol. Its also worth noting that none of the companies had many actual buildings worth mentioning, and certainly didn't have any modular ones on offer. At any rate, I appreciate the feedback, but if you're going to take 20min to write a comment, its probably worth 2sec to check when the video was posted so your feedback is actually relevant lol.
I think these vids could be improved if you had the tiles to fiddle with as you talk - just reading out the infodump to camera comes across as a bit dry. Looking forwards to the vids with more making in them though.
As they say, hindsight is 20/20. Doing my best.
DragonLock now make Dragonbite/OpenForge adapters you can print.
The dragonlock now have both wall with floor and wall floor separate with everything you need to make a layout ie half floor 1/4 floor and longer and shorter walls plus they have a castle and tower system and there traps are awesome, yes im a fanboy lol also they have clips to make them compatible with the other sets now too
Awesome coverage man! Especially the differences/pros/cons. We are in a shining time for terrain modding and theres nowhere to go except into the luscious beyond now that 3D printing is becoming more accessible to the crowd. I spent half a year going over some of the points you brought up in my own work- I cant wait to let rip here soon! ~Fen
A way to get the flexibility of the rampage/openlock system, as well as the better floors, is to combine the two.
You can do this either by offsetting the print so the unwanted parts are not printed, or by editing the .stl files (in meshmixer, for example), I've done this successfully with the TileScape tiles, as I backed them due to the nice tiles they had, but I wanted to use the openlock system and a more regular 2x2" grid pattern.
I could write up a guide on how to do this, as it's fairly easy (I suck at 3D editing, so it had to be)
Yessir and thats something we'll discuss in a later video. Combing systems is one of the main subplots of this series =P
Awesome! looking forward to it :)
I would love to see a guide. I did one piece in meshmixer putting a floor texture on a rampage base. While I succeeded in the end it took me many hours and I would not call it easy. Maybe you are better at 3D than you think.
I agree. I would think you could design the floor tiles to be able to add doors, walls and other features. Being able to add magnets makes for greater flexibility. Research all the options available before starting to see which system best fits your gaming and players preferences.
I´m not that much into D&D but just had a look at the OpenForge Range.
Man, hard to believe that such a Variety of great Files is offered for free.
I´d totally use that System and leave a massive Tip for the Creator.
I'm struggling to find places that have the rampage tiles outside the basic stone and wood tiles. Printable scenery site sometimes has the wall/floor separated tiles but most of their site looks like openlock where they're combined.
Thank you! really needed the big overview to help pick which one to go to
As this is what I will use my printer for the most, I love these videos. Cant wait to see more.
i really like Wizkids warlock tiles just for the way they handle interior walls.
So I know I'm catching this video late but after trying out all the different systems I prefer the Rocket Pig Tilescape. It has a framework that allows you to swap a plain tile with something more interesting that your players discovered without having it visible from the start. Investigation check reveals a spike trap or one of the tiles is a mimic! You don't have to tear the section apart or leave it to imagination.
I do know that the TileScape by Rocket Pig Games has made a clip that acts as a converter/connector to work with the other systems. Also, with the 3x3 design, they can do some much more ornate and unique wall systems, particularly in the Cavern and Sewer/Pipeline sets. It's the ornate style that got me. But I love all the currently available systems available.
the low walls are for line of site of players more so than for minis. Tall walls makes it difficult to see
I agree I like the textures on the basic dragonlock system the best. Also I think the dragon lock clipping system the best. But the sheer range and variety of OpenLOCK makes it the one I am printing the most. Rampage has some really interesting and clever pieces like the print in place doors. (I really love printable scenery one off buildings of you are doing a town/outdoor scene). Tilescape should be easy to integrate as long as it is it's own room, particularly if you make it in 6 inch sections (2 Tilescape pieces match up against 3 from most other systems) Tilescapes has some really interesting feature pieces coming, and a large variety of floors. I backed its kickstarter mainly because I wanted their sewers which are still yet to come. Basic ones will work well for fantasy but I also want to do a modern/batman sewer using the sewers with pipes set.
Great video!! Helps me understand what I can help connect to..
You should got your new friend to give you some Samples to review wit these, I also would have liked more pictures of these different tiles , and maybe one with them together for comparison.
I prefer how thin the Tilescape Tiles are. Everything else is too chunky for my liking. I want more room with less tiles. Tilescape is perfect for this. Sadly they moved away from that with their second kickstarter. But the full coreset is completely free now so no complaints from me!
I'd love to play a game with tiles like these. But battlemaps are just too convenient.
I ❤️ dragonlock. You failed to mention that Dragonlock has separate walls and floors too, as well as half walls and traps you can add or remove to walls. I don’t think you looked around that much while visiting the site. There are also adapters for dragonlock to rampage (i.e. printablescenery) pieces. Works great for me.
Check out 3D Print-Terrain kickstarters too. Great stuff!
Tilescape’s pieces are a lot bigger and their connecting system is quite flimsy. They don’t have a good system, and most of the time none at all, for making multi story structures. I did but their complete Gothic City Kickstarter set and I love many things about it, but I always end up scaling the pieces down by at least 70%
This video is 3 years old, I think Dragonlock added those things some time after this video was uploaded.
When you print these, do you do it one at a time, or do you combine them into a grid? Also, do you print flat or on edge?
ive seen people print certain tiles on edge to maximize how many they can fit on the print bed at one time, but for me that's just asking for trouble, one wrong bump or breeze that comes into the room and all 40+ tiles that you have going are gonna have a huge line through them that you regret forever
I print 4 at a time of the 3x3 tiles or 9 of the 2x2s, reasonable print times and havent had any problems yet
I think this came out before Devon Jones came out with the magnetic Openlock system, which i have been using and it's amazing. a bit of an investment to buy 5mm magnets in bulk, but for the ease of use i couldnt be happier
I'm just starting out, so I'm only printing one at a time, tweaking things and whatnot, but the goal is to print a lot at once. Having to be at your machine every ~2 hours to take off a single print and set up a new one isn't an efficient use of time. Setting it up to do multiple tiles for 8-10 hours means I can run it when I leave in the morning or overnight without much wasted time.
Great video, sub'd & liked. Looking to get into 3D printing for D&D and tapletop terrain:)
what resolution and nozzle size did you use for the dragon lock tiles? keep up the good work mate
Nias Workshop i print the tiles at 200 microns. depending on the system no infill for fat dragon, printed scenery think 15% or what he suggests.
nozzle is .4
A pet peve is overly exaggerated groves between tiles.
When the gap scales to 4 inches wide and 6 inches deep... that's to much and that is what I got printing sample Open Forge tiles.
The gaps in brickwork shouldn't be as wide or deep as a figure's finger. My finger is to big to fit between bricks in a typical brick wall.
We don't see as bad over-width spacing on the wood floors, but they are still gapped more than is appropriate.
Reducing the exaggeration of detail would allow 3D printing using a lot less material and much faster.
**************
Making your own tiles, its much faster to just go ahead and use the foam methods.
Hot wire the foam to size, apply simple techniques to texture the surface and paint.
Hours to 3D print a "10 X 10" tile... or seconds to hot wire and a couple of minutes to texture it.
I am very new to 3d printing. can someone please tell me how long it would take to print out the Rampage Castle trial pack? 1 print session. 1 of each part.
depending on your printer, between 8 and 24 hours
Would you be interested in reviewing my upcoming tiles?
Request: Warhammer 40k terrain!
Dem consoles. :D
First ;)
NO NO NO NO! This guy doesn’t know what he is talking about. Although he has a tidy and schweet work space, he clearly doesn’t have that much experience with any other system other than Rampage. If you want to know the truth about tile sets, keep reading because I use them all, plus some.
Every popular tile system has miserable walls. That is walls that snap into the floor and don’t interfere with the grid. All of them. This is how I know this guy has minimal experience with these “other” sets. You do them injustice. Is Rampage paying you?
1) OpenForge - Everything about DevonJones and OpenForge is true. You can also find his creations under Openlock which are 100% compatible with OpenForge. Who cares if they aren’t 100% to scale with other makers, there’s more than anoigh to create any structure you want. You can drown yourself in tiles and they just keep coming, it’s crazy! They look fantastic and they rock!
3) Dragonlock - Is entirely compatible with Rampage. In fact, both of their official sites offer conversion clips to use them interchangeably. Their modular village buildings are awesome. There are a lot of licensed file creators on drivethrurpg for Dragonlock tiles. There are also free tiles on their forum. They also will make pieces on fan requests. The Fatdragongames community is fantastic!
2) Rampage - Nice tiles but their build systems are fairly limited. No modular village buildings at all. If you buy a village building from them then that’s what you have to build. Their village buildings’s definition is underwhelming and the majority of defining them will lie in your painting them. They are overpriced unless you get in on a kickstarter. Buy in bundles if you can. Finally, there are long delays between releasing new sets. It isn’t clear that they will be releasing anymore modular sets again.
Tilescapes - It has potential and are easy to assemble. I did notice that the corners of buildings and other sets that have asymmetrical details don’t line up, such as the wood floors. Corner pieces for buildings can be tricky and limiting when using bump outs. They use up a lot of filament to print. I scale mine down a bit. If they reached out to the fan community and fixed the few issues, it would be a great system. The detail designs in all pieces are omfg incredible. No joke! And they are newer on the scene than the others so it’s hard to give them crap about any of these things when they offer such nice pieces. Check out the Gothic City Kickstarter they had. It’s impressive. Give them time and I’m sure they’ll figure out the kinks.
lol, hey there!
Having a preference that differs from your own doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I've printed hundred of tiles from almost literally every system that exists, including some that the general public doesn't even have access to.
I think the big thing you're missing is that this video was from 2017. At that time Rampage had -- by far -- the largest variety of wall and floor sections available, giving users more flexibility than any of the other systems at the time. Dragonlock, for instance, was not compatible with Rampage at the time this video was made unless you used some of the community made conversion clips. Also not sure why you think I'm being partial to Rampage when I clearly state that Dragonlock tiles were the best looking in my opinion, lol.
Its also worth noting that none of the companies had many actual buildings worth mentioning, and certainly didn't have any modular ones on offer.
At any rate, I appreciate the feedback, but if you're going to take 20min to write a comment, its probably worth 2sec to check when the video was posted so your feedback is actually relevant lol.