i said the same thing, its too easy to fight LB now. That rework sucks and people are eating this shit up but i bet they arnt actually playing LB. Cant dodge bashes, nobody respects my amor and just dodge my chains. The zone is still shit cuz even idiots parry it cuz its so fucking slow. They completely trashed this character. End of story
@@Limon11116 cuz he was too much for people on ranked but so many other characters have more picks than he did so wtf. Look at musha for example, PC complained about him and he had like the most picks or something then they nerfed him…..then turned him into a monster that can stare at you all day.
1:33 Correct me if I'm wrong; Pirate has a forward dodge unblockable heavy rollcatcher with hyperarmor that can be accessed from neutral. The guaranteed follow-up bash also breaks the opponent's hyperarmor. I might be insane, but keeping that sort of toxicity in Pirate while also nerfing LB into the ground doesn't seem like sound game design.
As far as duels go, lawbringer is/was s tier. Pirate is the worst hero though, and her forward dodge heavy is niche and deals low damage. When lawbringer had armored unlockable heavies they were high damage, high hitbox, and looped into itself. (TG) Pirate either should get a bash opener or keep her forward dodge heavy as is imo
This rework is so bad. He really could have only used minor changes along removing impale on heavy parries, they didn't even give him what he actually needed, an opener and a roll catcher and instead just made him so generic...
@@LmaoJizo”unhealthy” lol, love when people started saying that like sheep without thinking, what’s unhealthy about it, should they remove smoke as well?
@@Adamc06his literally only good factor back then was that he had extremely one sided reward off of parries, highest damage w light parrying that both led to stun which makes things unreactable, i don’t think stun should’ve gotten removed and instead should’ve had lower damage to compensate for stun existing but it wasn’t healthy to have both high damage + stuns and unreactable offense w it
As a lawbringer main, i encourage you to momentarily stop using youre Hitokiri, Higlander, Orochi and broken heroes like these, and try to use Lawbringer for an hour at least
@@shalashaskaseven4841no good opener, No good parry punishments anymore, an even worse bash, still slow af, a useless zone and a 20 neutral heavy...uh what?
@@niklasmilonas His opener is still the forwards dodge heavy/bash mix. Just for some reason the forwards dodge cancel is longer. It still works just has to be delayed. It works, just not as well till they fix it. His punish is still decent. Take a standard 12 damage that goes into a 32 damage unblockable. Or you can go into above average 15 damage punish with worse chain pressure. His light parry punish is ledge or above average 29 damage that chains into a 32 damage unblockable. Zone is useful for what it’s supposed to used for. A zone attack. It covers a decent area, chains into armor, and off a parry is armored and unblockable. The change it received is that instead of having instant recovery, it chains. Ignoring the fact it makes team fighting with it better, its utility for using superior block is better for the most part now. Some fullguards like warlords, can’t be parried. Now you chain into armor to trade. Heavy damage is fine. Stop forgetting the 4 damage light, or the fact his finisher is above average damage. I think what you are looking for when it comes to parry punishes is “broken”. He no longer has “broken” parry punishes. He isn’t threatening ledge or a heavy+stam dam+stam damage mix off any parry.
9 months after and this rework still feels so good. Lawbringer mains tears literally kept my boat afloat. Can't wait to see characters like Warmonger or Hitokiri slaughtered next. If my main can't be good, neither yours will be.
Hey Jon , I found out that max punish for wall splat is long arm , then right heavy , top light… all while he’s on the ground recovering from the long arm . that is 29 damage total . So it’s more than what it used to be too
I don't know why they sorta gave us 1 of our wishes, uninterruptable heavies, only that 'cause we didn't get a light light combo let alone a triple light, but for our nerf, ahem, rework we traded the only good thing about Lawbringer, his punishment of guaranteed side repost, stun and stamina depletion, they gave us uninterruptable heavies for our whole gimmick of counter-attacker, why did our rework become a nerf?
I personally enjoyed the second testing ground rework for Lb they should have just kept it instead of destroying it into the ground. He was a lot of fun to fight they just needed to make his lights less telegraphed.
He needs more tools on parries because right now he has nothing really special on him. And maybe give his blind stun on a parry back. That shit wasnt broken or anything, and cant be abused in ganks like his top heavy used to be.
@@itzwh1s-p3r3 Why is the short blind on heavy anything close to op? Even more when u think the parry UB blind was ok, because that had a LONG blind window. But again all blinds on parries are totally ok to me. I mean where is the problem in antiganks? Just dont lock on to the Lawbringer and keep hitting him with external hits while beeing locked on to another guy (he cant parry ur attacks then).
@@Jondaliner Light parries aren't exactly low-skill techniques, any sort of misdirection can get you hit for attempting one, so anyone who gets off three light-parries in a fight is either deserving of respect or had a doofus as an opponent.
They killed him. I literally used to be amazing with him. Now I’m like a brand new level 1 player and can’t do shit with him. They need to stop touching shit and ruining everything
Guaranteed lights on opener heavy and unblockable top heavies, guaranteed lights and parry light chains to finishers, zone is a opening attack, no stam drain anymore, mid chain heavy has armor. Elements of two reworks that didn’t make it into the rework: -hyper armor Unblockable, impale with dedicated punish, feintable mid chain bash, 16 damage heavy parry punish.
@@shalashaskaseven4841all of a sudden people want to start making/playing somewhat of a balanced character. The devs grew a bone for using your brains a little bit now? The rework is underwhelming, its actually so bad
@@shalashaskaseven4841 I can tell you've never played this character except for a round or two. Any real experience and you'd know this was a murder and not a rework. Any "unhealthy" part could have just been toned down: less stamina damage, a more opaque blind, less damage on impale parry. There were perfectly reasonable directions that could have been taken, and especially when viewed with the context of the better characters out there, LB is considerably weaker in this state.
@@thephoenixempyre2300 I’ve played the hero plenty. Nice argument tho, “you must have not played the hero more than a round because I disagree with you”. Stam drain needed to go. Especially on offensive moves, and on punishes with damage. Blind is oppressive to new players, makes no difference to good players, and neither of us are top players which the blind makes it impossible to react to feints. Impale will always be strong. Even if it did standard riposte damage it would be powerful. Think about it this way, having a 16 damage riposte was too strong from the tg, now have one with similar damage, still instantly chain into the unblockable and repositions in a massive backwards range. Even if it only did 15 damage, it’s still a riposte that gets to threaten environmental or pin for multiple seconds in a 4s situation. As for his strength, he has stronger chain pressure, team fighting and ganks while his opener got worse for higher level because his forwards dodge recovery into a attack unintentionally got nerfed. His defense is nowhere near as strong.
@@shalashaskaseven4841 Obviously relatively close isn’t in your vocabulary. If they run into a person it also works. Or the clutter on every map. It’s easy to get.
@@arkdepressed4751 Its much harden to get than impale for a wall a mile behind you. And a second unhealthy interaction is not good reason for a second.
Hey jond,do you still try to put long replays on your long jon channel ? Because i wanna see some replays of your streams but the twitch VODs player is kinda ass 🥲
@@shalashaskaseven4841and LB damage is slow. I have a clip with a raw side heavy did 12dmg and my opponent had piss health. If LB cant kill that with one heavy then nough said. The devs are corny and only want people using new characters, they dont want people playing okder characters
@@Okina-Kev raw side heavy doing 12 damage, you are hitting someone either in hitstun damage reduction or most likely last stand damage reduction. A 40 percent decrease of 20 is 8. Lines up perfectly. Damage has nothing to do with Lawbringer but rather fighting a rather overtuned perk. Don’t confuse the two.
Honestly I feel they made him the same but with more clunk and restraint and this isn’t very good from my experience of playing him so far the only real good thing for me is this bug and the ha
Personally, even tho the rework didn't give him some things he needed, it wasn't completely negative. Lawbringer can still hold his own, and every time I fought a lb recently his heavy finishers are even more scary now. From what I can tell from this lb js needs a better dodge atk, roll catcher, fix to his bash after top heavy on parry, and a light light chain which they said they weren't gonna do lightlightlight chain but they could've done a light light chain. But overall I still think lawbringer is good and these diehard lb mains who keep whining that he can't impale on heavy parry anymore talk too much.
They nerf the only character i played into the dirt, tbh just give shove on block back with hyper frames and hell do numbers again but this HA attacks and no rewards for any counter play basically changed the characters whole dynamic, his kits too slow, and he gets no punishes, why tf would they do this
I've never used lawbringer before and tbh, his moveset looks exactly the same as before. People play him the same, the only things i've noticed are the HUGE PUNISH and the hyper armor.
@@redacted847238 damage light punish one or if not the highest in the game, his heavy parry punish isn’t as good due to no stun plus lower damage but you’re smoking something if you think it’s nerfed to the ground, he obv deserves an opener and roll catcher and slightly more damage on heavy parry light but he’s better than before
This character is now so unplayable against seasoned vets. They have stripped lawbringer’s parries to be pushed into a wall (so slow, even I as the user could parry or block it), he doesn’t remove stamina only really blind, he can no longer do a decent overhead counter. I’m sorry but my opinion is lawbringer, just like Jormungdur, has been gutted because of weakling players who can’t put in decent work to put up a fight.
Can I get a pin daddy?
Gay fuck
😏
I don’t understand what needs to be fixed
@@Reav052after a light parry if you do top heavy the opponent can't dodge the follow up bash. Basically 38 DMG secured
@@xz-v1rus-_-zx84💀lawbringer already my worst matchup. I’m out ✌️
They gutted the character. This wasn't a rework this was an execution...
i said the same thing, its too easy to fight LB now. That rework sucks and people are eating this shit up but i bet they arnt actually playing LB. Cant dodge bashes, nobody respects my amor and just dodge my chains. The zone is still shit cuz even idiots parry it cuz its so fucking slow. They completely trashed this character. End of story
That's the damn truth, couldn't be better said
@@Okina-Kevi'm trying to figure out why they did this to Lawbringer
@@Limon11116 cuz he was too much for people on ranked but so many other characters have more picks than he did so wtf. Look at musha for example, PC complained about him and he had like the most picks or something then they nerfed him…..then turned him into a monster that can stare at you all day.
@xgv6844 exactly, attacking like a damn assassin
I like how Jon can maintain focus as a dad and a Lawbringer main at the same time 😂
Long arm carry irl and meta
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Correct me if I'm wrong; Pirate has a forward dodge unblockable heavy rollcatcher with hyperarmor that can be accessed from neutral. The guaranteed follow-up bash also breaks the opponent's hyperarmor. I might be insane, but keeping that sort of toxicity in Pirate while also nerfing LB into the ground doesn't seem like sound game design.
As far as duels go, lawbringer is/was s tier.
Pirate is the worst hero though, and her forward dodge heavy is niche and deals low damage.
When lawbringer had armored unlockable heavies they were high damage, high hitbox, and looped into itself. (TG)
Pirate either should get a bash opener or keep her forward dodge heavy as is imo
it's her opener
This rework is so bad. He really could have only used minor changes along removing impale on heavy parries, they didn't even give him what he actually needed, an opener and a roll catcher and instead just made him so generic...
Or creating a dedicated impale follow up, taking it out of the heavy parry feels like it damages the character
I feel like he has no personality. I miss my staff donks on parry knowing they can’t see shit lol.
@@hinglemccringleberry4614 means you relied on an unhealthy mechanic new lb Is fine
@@LmaoJizo”unhealthy” lol, love when people started saying that like sheep without thinking, what’s unhealthy about it, should they remove smoke as well?
@@Adamc06his literally only good factor back then was that he had extremely one sided reward off of parries, highest damage w light parrying that both led to stun which makes things unreactable, i don’t think stun should’ve gotten removed and instead should’ve had lower damage to compensate for stun existing but it wasn’t healthy to have both high damage + stuns and unreactable offense w it
I want old law back I’m a law main and I hate it
After yesterdays update Jon was the only LB trying to play more aggressively. I swear every LB I fought still spammed faint into guard break….
I hate turtling. It's boring 😅
feint gb is offense
As a lawbringer main, i encourage you to momentarily stop using youre Hitokiri, Higlander, Orochi and broken heroes like these, and try to use Lawbringer for an hour at least
Jon wasn’t losing with the baby watching 😂🔥
Complete and total disaster of a rework. Imagine thinking the 38 dam light parry punish is the problem with this rework lmao
What’s the problems in your opinion?
@@shalashaskaseven4841no good opener, No good parry punishments anymore, an even worse bash, still slow af, a useless zone and a 20 neutral heavy...uh what?
@@niklasmilonas His opener is still the forwards dodge heavy/bash mix. Just for some reason the forwards dodge cancel is longer. It still works just has to be delayed. It works, just not as well till they fix it.
His punish is still decent. Take a standard 12 damage that goes into a 32 damage unblockable. Or you can go into above average 15 damage punish with worse chain pressure. His light parry punish is ledge or above average 29 damage that chains into a 32 damage unblockable.
Zone is useful for what it’s supposed to used for. A zone attack. It covers a decent area, chains into armor, and off a parry is armored and unblockable. The change it received is that instead of having instant recovery, it chains. Ignoring the fact it makes team fighting with it better, its utility for using superior block is better for the most part now. Some fullguards like warlords, can’t be parried. Now you chain into armor to trade.
Heavy damage is fine. Stop forgetting the 4 damage light, or the fact his finisher is above average damage.
I think what you are looking for when it comes to parry punishes is “broken”. He no longer has “broken” parry punishes. He isn’t threatening ledge or a heavy+stam dam+stam damage mix off any parry.
9 months after and this rework still feels so good.
Lawbringer mains tears literally kept my boat afloat.
Can't wait to see characters like Warmonger or Hitokiri slaughtered next.
If my main can't be good, neither yours will be.
Hey Jon , I found out that max punish for wall splat is long arm , then right heavy , top light… all while he’s on the ground recovering from the long arm . that is 29 damage total . So it’s more than what it used to be too
The chain top light is confirmed?
Yes . They cannot block the top light right after the right heavy
I hate this “ rework”
Bro rly went from mid to just ok
Lazy and uninspired as fuck
@@djinn_morningstarhe wasn't mid his punishes were fucking nuts. But yea current lb is the worst he's been in years
@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficialalso have you seen his new bash? Its mega ass.
I don't know why they sorta gave us 1 of our wishes, uninterruptable heavies, only that 'cause we didn't get a light light combo let alone a triple light, but for our nerf, ahem, rework we traded the only good thing about Lawbringer, his punishment of guaranteed side repost, stun and stamina depletion, they gave us uninterruptable heavies for our whole gimmick of counter-attacker, why did our rework become a nerf?
It's over for us Lawbros
a C tier character(in dom) reworked into an F tier. Good job, Ubisoft. F this game
How amazing is this, a wall splat top heavy/light is worse than a gb side heavy light, absolutely amazing design there
Tbh I hate this rework so far, but I think it’s cause I’m playing like old lawbringer and not using the new tools
The new tools are mostly ass.
I can see the frustration just say it u hate it 😢
next rework: "we've updated how lawbringer is accessed." -> he's removed.
I personally enjoyed the second testing ground rework for Lb they should have just kept it instead of destroying it into the ground. He was a lot of fun to fight they just needed to make his lights less telegraphed.
They rework LB and don't give him the 2 main things he needs a good opener and a roll catcher
This is a nerf, of all things.
what is the new outro music?
Lawbringer getting a rework at all is a W, still needs a roll catch and an opener
He needs more tools on parries because right now he has nothing really special on him.
And maybe give his blind stun on a parry back.
That shit wasnt broken or anything, and cant be abused in ganks like his top heavy used to be.
Bring back shob on red
@@AMT_AllMyThoughts If they put his stun back, they'd have to remove his HA. It'd be the most disgusting thing to have both.
@@AMT_AllMyThoughts I think blind should come back on only the parry unblockable
@@itzwh1s-p3r3
Why is the short blind on heavy anything close to op?
Even more when u think the parry UB blind was ok, because that had a LONG blind window.
But again all blinds on parries are totally ok to me.
I mean where is the problem in antiganks?
Just dont lock on to the Lawbringer and keep hitting him with external hits while beeing locked on to another guy (he cant parry ur attacks then).
No bash feint?
What did the rework do?
I haven’t played new LB so is it bad or is it workable?
It's weaker for sure, but I still have fun with him.
did lawbringer always have the dodge forward cancel attack like shinobi or is it new
he's had it for a while
As a new law daddy main for a few weeks now love your content🫡
Is the bash guaranteed after a light parry?
Yep
@@Jondaliner Oh well, that's definitely something...
I hope Ubisoft doesn't break everything else trying to fix it.
They nerf him and remove his personality and on top of that you want them to remove the one decent punish that needs a light parry. Why?
38 is too high lol
Because "too high damage" which is stupid the only thing good and these fuckers wanna ruin it
@@JondalinerHe is literally the definitive parry-punish character, damage on parries is kind of his thing
@@NieR042 doesn't mean he should be able to kill you in 3 parries.
@@Jondaliner Light parries aren't exactly low-skill techniques, any sort of misdirection can get you hit for attempting one, so anyone who gets off three light-parries in a fight is either deserving of respect or had a doofus as an opponent.
I just came back only to find out my precious wall splat is gone 😭
RIP lawbringer will probs not touch u for a while u were fun for a longtime
I miss his stun
They killed him. I literally used to be amazing with him. Now I’m like a brand new level 1 player and can’t do shit with him.
They need to stop touching shit and ruining everything
So basically all his "rework" is just hyperarmor on heavies?
Guaranteed lights on opener heavy and unblockable top heavies, guaranteed lights and parry light chains to finishers, zone is a opening attack, no stam drain anymore, mid chain heavy has armor.
Elements of two reworks that didn’t make it into the rework:
-hyper armor Unblockable, impale with dedicated punish, feintable mid chain bash, 16 damage heavy parry punish.
@@shalashaskaseven4841all of a sudden people want to start making/playing somewhat of a balanced character. The devs grew a bone for using your brains a little bit now? The rework is underwhelming, its actually so bad
@@Okina-Kev The rework is fine lol. They removed the unhealthy parts and made him more offense orientated.
@@shalashaskaseven4841 I can tell you've never played this character except for a round or two. Any real experience and you'd know this was a murder and not a rework. Any "unhealthy" part could have just been toned down: less stamina damage, a more opaque blind, less damage on impale parry. There were perfectly reasonable directions that could have been taken, and especially when viewed with the context of the better characters out there, LB is considerably weaker in this state.
@@thephoenixempyre2300 I’ve played the hero plenty. Nice argument tho, “you must have not played the hero more than a round because I disagree with you”.
Stam drain needed to go. Especially on offensive moves, and on punishes with damage.
Blind is oppressive to new players, makes no difference to good players, and neither of us are top players which the blind makes it impossible to react to feints.
Impale will always be strong. Even if it did standard riposte damage it would be powerful. Think about it this way, having a 16 damage riposte was too strong from the tg, now have one with similar damage, still instantly chain into the unblockable and repositions in a massive backwards range. Even if it only did 15 damage, it’s still a riposte that gets to threaten environmental or pin for multiple seconds in a 4s situation.
As for his strength, he has stronger chain pressure, team fighting and ganks while his opener got worse for higher level because his forwards dodge recovery into a attack unintentionally got nerfed. His defense is nowhere near as strong.
Eh I liked the bigger dmg numbers for light parry punishes from back in the day. So that being said.. Imma abuse it till its gone :D
Why the fuck would they patch this when afeera poops out like 47 damage just by parrying a heavy relatively close to a wall or people
*Close to a wall on one side, not a wall a mile behind you
@@shalashaskaseven4841 Obviously relatively close isn’t in your vocabulary. If they run into a person it also works. Or the clutter on every map. It’s easy to get.
@@arkdepressed4751 Its much harden to get than impale for a wall a mile behind you.
And a second unhealthy interaction is not good reason for a second.
Lowkey miss his stunning tap..
Can this rework still be played on Xbox? The only thing I saw was highlander
Yes. It is live in and out of TG.
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Can you do a Pirate video? See if her changes actually helped?
Hey jond,do you still try to put long replays on your long jon channel ? Because i wanna see some replays of your streams but the twitch VODs player is kinda ass 🥲
your kills are so mf clean!
Hey Jon I forgot to ask. But how ya feel about green beans?
Am I the only one who thought he said he has had this game since lunch?
Could have sworn I heard the same🤣
I miss my light stuns
Bugged lawbringer rework in action, enjoying it while it last before dropping down the tier list*
The pirate can do just as much damage and just as fast there is no need to fix lawbringer
Pirate’s damage is low tho
@@shalashaskaseven4841and LB damage is slow. I have a clip with a raw side heavy did 12dmg and my opponent had piss health. If LB cant kill that with one heavy then nough said. The devs are corny and only want people using new characters, they dont want people playing okder characters
@@Okina-Kev raw side heavy doing 12 damage, you are hitting someone either in hitstun damage reduction or most likely last stand damage reduction. A 40 percent decrease of 20 is 8. Lines up perfectly. Damage has nothing to do with Lawbringer but rather fighting a rather overtuned perk.
Don’t confuse the two.
@@shalashaskaseven4841a 20 dmg heavy from a character that relies on parrys is still dumb. Shaolin does 30 dmg swinging a stick in an infinite combo
@@fireflame5296 Talking about his finisher that has no mix up? You could compare this to Lawbringer top 28 damage with 4 damage light confirm. 32>30
Hol up did i just see lawbro with hyper armor?
Midchain heavy has armor now
Honestly I feel they made him the same but with more clunk and restraint and this isn’t very good from my experience of playing him so far the only real good thing for me is this bug and the ha
Do you want the 38 dmg removed? Certainly seems like it.
I do
I do
Well considering he has no openers i think light parry damage is justified
Oh, Ubi...
Jon's son in the background lol
They need to keep his light parry damage or give him back his heavy parry impale. Or just let him have both😂
Or neither?
@@shalashaskaseven4841 No, heavy impale as it was before :/
That rework suck asf, all special ability gone...
38 damage but nobushi
Personally, even tho the rework didn't give him some things he needed, it wasn't completely negative. Lawbringer can still hold his own, and every time I fought a lb recently his heavy finishers are even more scary now. From what I can tell from this lb js needs a better dodge atk, roll catcher, fix to his bash after top heavy on parry, and a light light chain which they said they weren't gonna do lightlightlight chain but they could've done a light light chain. But overall I still think lawbringer is good and these diehard lb mains who keep whining that he can't impale on heavy parry anymore talk too much.
imagine having a brain that thinks as advanced as jondaliners
Looks like LB is pretty much trash unless your can routinely parry lights or make perfect reads
They nerf the only character i played into the dirt, tbh just give shove on block back with hyper frames and hell do numbers again but this HA attacks and no rewards for any counter play basically changed the characters whole dynamic, his kits too slow, and he gets no punishes, why tf would they do this
I've never used lawbringer before and tbh, his moveset looks exactly the same as before. People play him the same, the only things i've noticed are the HUGE PUNISH and the hyper armor.
what do you mean huge punish bro? it got nerfed to the ground...
@@redacted847238 damage light punish one or if not the highest in the game, his heavy parry punish isn’t as good due to no stun plus lower damage but you’re smoking something if you think it’s nerfed to the ground, he obv deserves an opener and roll catcher and slightly more damage on heavy parry light but he’s better than before
Yeah he’s just a sad husk of what made him lawbringer.
@@nathanchandler18 to an extent but what’s worse is that none of his actual issues were fixed
38 dmg is not a huge punnish lmao. Many other characters have the same or better punnish
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Im a winner winner, saw this 13s after it was posted
Good job
This character is now so unplayable against seasoned vets. They have stripped lawbringer’s parries to be pushed into a wall (so slow, even I as the user could parry or block it), he doesn’t remove stamina only really blind, he can no longer do a decent overhead counter.
I’m sorry but my opinion is lawbringer, just like Jormungdur, has been gutted because of weakling players who can’t put in decent work to put up a fight.
This revamp didn't do much, really. Could have been much better.
Did you become father?
Nothing but unblockable 50/50’s. Game’s dead.
Contrary to that statement, game is very much alive
WHY IS NOBODY COVERING HILANDER REWORK ITS DRIVING ME INSANE! LOL am I just not seeing it ? Like nobody? Really?
Rework IS bullshit.