Not surprising that there will be some glitches in particle methodology. The important thing is to find and address them, as you are. The bigger the company ( that you are against ) the harder the pushback. As a knife enthusiast, I appreciate and respect your efforts.
Guy, I just want to say, I love your business ethics and your integrity! Thanks for being honest and transparent and not sending out sub par products! I still can’t wait to get my knife because I know it’s going to be a thing of beauty!! PS, I hope things are good between you and Ellie! My apologies if I misspelled her name.
I'm not sure if the mill will actually make this right by us. They took a pretty crazy stance right off the bat with the nondisclosure agreement angle and then threw a lot of hate our way, in an attempt to avoid looking like they might be responsible for this. Hell, even look how eager Creely Knives and others were to jump on the hate bandwagon. They had zero information yet were happy to share some very loud opinions on the matter. The situation has just been sad and disappointing from my perspective. I just want to make knives, but things like this make our lives so much harder and inhibit our ability to maintain our high standards. Chasing down all of this information and defending ourselves while the lab work was happening has been exhausting.
Yeah, this was certainly an unpopular issue to tackle. This ordeal has caused us a lot of stress but it feels good to be getting down to the cold hard facts of the situation now. Facts will cut through all the nonsensical, opinion based claims online and finally put that noise to bed.
had the same thing happen on a cheap knife. i used my microscope to look at the the new edge and there it was. ground a little more off and it was gone.
Second NASA image is the second "Face" on Mars screaming "Where are my knives!!". Guy, you at least must find the humor in that! Still waiting....you're a real trooper! Keep after it!😎👍
I've abused my 5.1 in Magnacut and if it had any issues I'm pretty sure it would have failed so thankfully I seem to have gotten a good tool. And by abuse I mean I used it as a frow, to cut, carve and chop as much as possible for days. All documented through pics and video. Someone called me a wood processing machine 🤣 I also know if anything does fail you'll make it right 👍
I can’t Imagine with Survive has much room for scrap in their profit margins, price point is fairly low for the quality of product offered. I think that people would pay a 20% premium for magna-cut to cover scrap costs if it meant getting their knives on time, it would still put your product below much of the competition for pricing on Magna-cut knives. What proportion of defects would you say are noticed during grinding, and what proportion are noticed during finishing?
I’m curious. So up to now have all the defective parts you’ve come across been from those first sheets of magnacut you received or has this persisted through every single sheet of magnacut that’s come through your shop to date? I have some early magnacut products like the spyderco mule that I’ve noticed some weird stuff within the steel when sharpening. As well as another product that appears to be rusting without any reason and in an odd manner almost as if there’s something else mixed into the steel matrix. Now I have not noticed or found anything like that since those very early magnacut products. I should add that I’ve been paying attention to all this since the “start” and have tried to keep an open mind in hopes of seeing real evidence which it appears you have now. Like I said earlier though, I’d love to know if this is all just early magnacut or if it’s been a continuous thing. Also that’s not to take away from whether you should be made right or discredit any of your findings, just curious to compare them to my findings.
We have material test reports or MTR's, from at least three batches of material bought directly from Niagara. We have also bought batches of material from SB specialty metals. What we have been observing, has been pervasive through all of this. I said this in a previous comment, but I have yet to process an entire batch of this Magnacut material and think to myself "that went well". I regret ever hearing the word Magnacut.
With some of these anomalies being in the middle of the sheet, I am very curious to find out the composition. I don't want to be in this situation, but since we are, we might as well learn something.
I have been back watching alot of your videos and i was wondering have you only experienced theses issues with the one batch of metal? I believe in one of your videos you might have said you have ordered more to fulfill customers orders (please correct me if i am wrong). If you have placed more orders are you still seeing these problems?
We've noticed this issue across several batches. We have 3 mill test reports for materials we bought from Niagara Specialty Metals. We've also sourced sheets from SB Specialty Metals, that would have been from different heat numbers. I have yet to grind an entire batch of this Magnacut material and think to myself "that went well". Not once.
Even looking back 10 years ago. When survive visited.... those rollers look nasty man. I get carbon deposits. But that place is filthy so anywhere along the lines impurities can get in. They transfer the hot metal on dirty forks and what happens it one drops in the nasty floor and picks something up then is rolled into the press?
Thanks for the updates and the transparency. Do we know what the total impact to the consumer will be, in terms of wait time/production schedule? Order #19116 Thanks!
We are working through these parts in finish grinding as quickly as possible. I will have a much better idea on that when we have the last of these batches inspected. We're working on getting it all done ASAP, so it shouldn't take long to know.
Talking about these things is certainly not popular. Most people will act out of self interest first, protecting their income and reputation, over pursuing something like this where you'll invite retaliation from larger companies. Given all the threatening emails and letters we received over this, their concerns seem valid. This was not something I really wanted to do but it needs talked about if anything is ever going to improve.
Wow, who knows how many Magnacut blades are in the wild with a compromised structure (from all manufacturers). It will be interesting to see where this all goes.
This is clearly a materials defect and not an issue with Survive's manufacturing process. It would be interesting to get an elemental analysis using a mass spectrometer to find out what that abnormal material actually is, if possible. It makes me wonder how many magnacut knives from other manufacturers are out there with similar issues that have been hidden by various finishing processes.
Hey Guy, once again, I really appreciate your transparency and updates. It is quite obvious to the anti survive knives people that you are not trying to pull a scam.....however, i doubt they will admit it. I am really looking forward to my orders, even after 2 years, but knowing that the quality will be second to none makes it worth the wait. Hope i won't be disappointed. Take care, Bro, and wish you good health. Make sure that you get some decent downtime.
Interesting details. If in doubt throw it out:) Did Magnacut send you Survive Guy what was thrown out by them? We have to get to the bottom of this! There's 5.1 with my name on it. Hey Guy is Magnacut the best metal blade. How comes it look that way unda scope? Hi Ellie fantastic to hear your voice again;) From Craig. UK.
Ahh, sweet vindication. Question/thought/ theory: it looks a little like the powder wasn’t mixed thoroughly before sintering. Have you used a magnet on those flakey bits? Are they magnetic? Maybe some of the metals in the composition are magnetic and sticking together in strings. I had that thought and read a little on the PM process and found there’s one method that uses electrical current called ECAS. That could magnetize some of the powders but not others. Do they use that process? I haven’t checked which metals in magnacut are magnetic and which aren’t, but I read that chromium is “paramagnetic” (slightly). Wierd stuff happens under pressure and heat. Maybe their process is causing metals to link up during the sintering to create those non-homogenous zones.
The lab apparently has some time on the SEM today, to take a closer look at this situation. It shouldn't take too long to understand exactly what is going on inside this Magnacut steel. A 1.5 million dollar machine has the ability to answer all the questions. 😉
Yeah, I'm still waiting for those "reports" they claim to have but won't share. Also still waiting to hear back about my material samples, they never returned those either.
Probably because it would be a large liability, and mess with investors etc. They are most likely more careful after their bankruptcy. But that would just be my guess based on my limited knowledge of how US companies operates.
Ok, if you’re so confident the material is absolutely worthless and you have the backing of a bunch of different knife makers and metal experts behind the scene, then why not take this to court? From what you said, that should be a slam dunk.
The short answer? It can cost a lot of money to be right in civil court, even if the evidence is obvious. A large company has the resources to drag out proceedings for years. A small time, local attorney is around $150 an hour. A fancy attorney can be $350+ an hour. Large companies tend to hire several fancy attorneys, who will bury you in procedure, until you run out of money or give up. I don't want to play that game, which is why I have been carefully standing on observations and verifiable facts. That is also why we are just making all of this information public, to spread awareness. Other people are going through this, and they need a voice.
As a follow up, the metallurgy field is extremely small. Those people fear reprisal from these large companies. If this goes to court, they would only give written testimony if it is sealed by the court, and only viewed by the judge. Other small companies and makers are afraid of being cut off by suppliers, so they don't speak up. Please know that it was not an easy decision to open up and start talking about these things.
So the math for a big knife co... Junk 20% of the magnacut or tumble it, coat it, 58hrc rockwell it, and play the odds that less than 20% of those magnacut blades will come back for warranty. Prob less than 5% will come back
Thank you! People sharing these videos has gotten a bunch of people to reach out about their own experiences. Right now most are too afraid of being attacked or cut off if they speak up, which is totally valid based on my own experience. The lab reports going public might change some people's minds though.
You don't know what issues any company might be having, only what they are willing to publicly talk about. With the messages we've gotten from other companies, your comment isn't the flex you think it is. Everybody is acting out of self interest. Some are afraid that they won't be able to sell their Magnacut inventory and others are afraid of backlash or being cut off by the steel mill if they speak up.
This seems to be a problem with the powder steel and something in the processing that creates this problem. But, the manufacturer's response to you was that the issue is related to the way you process this steel and manufacture the knife. To be faire, I don't find any videos where you explain how you make your knives and at what moment this happens.
We have an open shop, anyone is welcome to visit. We have seen these issues at every stage in production. At the end of this video, link below, we even ask follow up questions of Niagara's litigation attorney. If they have reports or other evidence suggesting we did this somehow, we would like it. Any metallurgist or material science expert who has seen our samples, who doesn't work for Niagara, 100% believes this is something inherent to the steel manufacturing. These anomalies are INSIDE the material, we're just uncovering them during processing. th-cam.com/video/2SuiZJ2R2f4/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
So, if you assume 20% of pieces have flaws found over maybe 30% of a blade’s surface area (the ground part), then you have to figure you’re missing a mountain of hidden flaws in the remaining unground 2/3 of the blade. Any statisticians out there? if there is 1 flaws in a 30% area, would we have three flaws over the entire surface? The odds would be .2 x .2 x .2 or 80% that any given piece will have a flaw? 4
I would LOVE to meet someone who owns a micro-ct scanner, to do a bunch of scans. We're having some scanning done on samples but the rates for that service are 😱.
The way you talk about these issues you must have thousands of parts with voids. You sent 9 to NSM and you've shown a handful of some you have. Show us the piles of unfinished knives. What is the real failure rate?
Yeah, I was expecting this angle next, the redirect. First you folks say there is no issue, now you're going to be dismissive by trying to minimize it. 😂 I'll make a video for you guys shortly. As with most of the smaller parts in Cruforge, a lot of scrap was left back in Idaho. We're unfortunately very used to having warranty issues dismissed, so at the time it didn't seem worth it to drag obvious scrap across the country. The idea of litigation never even crossed my mind, because from our side, I know that route is very expensive and drawn out. As a small business that would be fighting a big business, that is often a losing proposition, simply because the large company has a much bigger litigation budget. We have multiple lab reports going now, so that will insulate us from any defamation or libel claims on their end. I just want to make knives, not play these games, but I'm also willing to take this the whole way if I know I'm right.
As a follow up, I was sending what Niagara asked for and what fit neatly in a standard box. We are seeing an average of about 20% of Magnacut parts having visible defects. In a conspiracy to keep our business somewhat viable during all of this, we have sold parts with minor blemishes as factory seconds. I don't want to be doing that and no other company would make us do that, which is where I maintain the position that we should have been able to return the entire batch of suspect material. I shouldn't need to cherry pick what needs to be acceptable and negotiate with my steel company like we are at a flea market. These are engineered materials, sold for industry leading prices. There is an implied expectation of quality when using CPM.
Just a dumb quick guess; Grease or oil from the rollers. The sheets get rolled out hot along the rollers... none of the rollers in the NSM look clean at all judging by some videos I've seen. If you want the best material you think they would have as clean as an environment as you can get. I get its a fordge and they ate dirty but thats the first thing i noticed.... damn those rollers look nasty. Just a small example, would be to mirror polish your rollers more offen to help stay low on impurities. Maybe I'm over thinking it but.... ?
If this was something Survive Knives did, it would happen to different types of steel. This melt of magnachump was done wrong. S!K did not make the steel.
That's why it was so important to get these lab reports back. There is no way we could've done this. These issues are inside the steel, we are just uncovering what's already there.
How they're handling this whole ordeal, from Crucible to Niagara to Larrin himself is the reason why I'll never buy Magnacut or any Crucible/Niagara product or knives made of those steels ever again. I'm not an early adopter of anything let alone steels.. I never jump on some hype train and I always wait months if not years before I try something 'new' and I was almost ready to use Magnacut but no.. that ship has sailed.
Larrin seems to block people who bring up this issue or just glaze over it as quickly as possible. People need to understand that he is financially benefitting from Magnacut, there is a clear conflict of interest. His CPM bias is pretty obvious in how he chooses to present information on his Knife Steel Nerds channel and the types of comments he chooses to delete over there.
I think at this point of this drama series, you just need to stop working with Magnacut. There's a lot of other good steels to use in your product, i know... magnacut is the novelty, but like many desicions in life, if something is not work for you, just leave it. If you dont like something, just dont buy it. Found out your market place. Like Emerson knives, they married with 154CM and now is just a regular steel not the big deal. And now the brand charge hundreds to the Emerson addicts, thats why i hate emerson knives, they are super overpriced hahaha To finish my argument... just leave it man. Find your favourite steel and stop complaint about something you dont like it and you cant change. Best wishes and good luck 👍(sorry for my english, i speak spanish)
This is just my opinion but once he started financially benefitting from Magnacut, he lost the ability to be impartial and have objective discussions. There is a clear conflict of interest and it shows in how he chooses to present information. He can come across as neutral to the casual knife enthusiast but his bias is blatantly obvious to the material science folks out there.
@SurviveKnives: I just received my GSO 5.1 Magnacut (factory second) and it is beautiful and scary sharp. I looked the knife over and I could not find a flaw, except maybe a scratch in the flag, but that is a very minor thing. If anyone gets a chance to purchase a factory second from Survive, I highly recommend doing so. BTW, I received my knife within the timeframe committed to by Survive! Thank you for your dedication to quality craftsmanship. 🤙
Not surprising that there will be some glitches in particle methodology. The important thing is to find and address them, as you are. The bigger the company ( that you are against ) the harder the pushback. As a knife enthusiast, I appreciate and respect your efforts.
Guy, I just want to say, I love your business ethics and your integrity! Thanks for being honest and transparent and not sending out sub par products! I still can’t wait to get my knife because I know it’s going to be a thing of beauty!! PS, I hope things are good between you and Ellie! My apologies if I misspelled her name.
I just received my shipping notification…so excited!
Sweet! Ellie has been over getting the last of the current EDC-4 orders packed up. Enjoy your new knife!
Really hope this get sorted out and you get your part sorted up from them. They should take care of there customers when the product is faulty.
I'm not sure if the mill will actually make this right by us. They took a pretty crazy stance right off the bat with the nondisclosure agreement angle and then threw a lot of hate our way, in an attempt to avoid looking like they might be responsible for this.
Hell, even look how eager Creely Knives and others were to jump on the hate bandwagon. They had zero information yet were happy to share some very loud opinions on the matter. The situation has just been sad and disappointing from my perspective.
I just want to make knives, but things like this make our lives so much harder and inhibit our ability to maintain our high standards. Chasing down all of this information and defending ourselves while the lab work was happening has been exhausting.
Great job exposing this issue despite of the pressure to keep quiet!
Yeah, this was certainly an unpopular issue to tackle. This ordeal has caused us a lot of stress but it feels good to be getting down to the cold hard facts of the situation now. Facts will cut through all the nonsensical, opinion based claims online and finally put that noise to bed.
had the same thing happen on a cheap knife. i used my microscope to look at the the new edge and there it was. ground a little more off and it was gone.
Definitely some problem during the manufacturing
Second NASA image is the second "Face" on Mars screaming "Where are my knives!!". Guy, you at least must find the humor in that! Still waiting....you're a real trooper! Keep after it!😎👍
Wow. That’s crazy for cpm powder metal to have issues like this
I've abused my 5.1 in Magnacut and if it had any issues I'm pretty sure it would have failed so thankfully I seem to have gotten a good tool. And by abuse I mean I used it as a frow, to cut, carve and chop as much as possible for days. All documented through pics and video. Someone called me a wood processing machine 🤣 I also know if anything does fail you'll make it right 👍
We 100% inspect our parts at every stage during production. Any blades with single large defects or multiple smaller defects do not leave this shop.
Kool video. Glad I got an honest and diligent person to make my knife. Knife isn’t a Survival knife if it’s defective. Keep up the hard work.
Thanks Man. This has been a hard road to follow.
I can’t Imagine with Survive has much room for scrap in their profit margins, price point is fairly low for the quality of product offered.
I think that people would pay a 20% premium for magna-cut to cover scrap costs if it meant getting their knives on time, it would still put your product below much of the competition for pricing on Magna-cut knives.
What proportion of defects would you say are noticed during grinding, and what proportion are noticed during finishing?
I’m curious. So up to now have all the defective parts you’ve come across been from those first sheets of magnacut you received or has this persisted through every single sheet of magnacut that’s come through your shop to date?
I have some early magnacut products like the spyderco mule that I’ve noticed some weird stuff within the steel when sharpening. As well as another product that appears to be rusting without any reason and in an odd manner almost as if there’s something else mixed into the steel matrix. Now I have not noticed or found anything like that since those very early magnacut products.
I should add that I’ve been paying attention to all this since the “start” and have tried to keep an open mind in hopes of seeing real evidence which it appears you have now. Like I said earlier though, I’d love to know if this is all just early magnacut or if it’s been a continuous thing. Also that’s not to take away from whether you should be made right or discredit any of your findings, just curious to compare them to my findings.
We have material test reports or MTR's, from at least three batches of material bought directly from Niagara. We have also bought batches of material from SB specialty metals. What we have been observing, has been pervasive through all of this. I said this in a previous comment, but I have yet to process an entire batch of this Magnacut material and think to myself "that went well". I regret ever hearing the word Magnacut.
Looks like foreign material contamination, like some unknown debris fell into the ingot or sheet as it was being rolled out at the mill.
With some of these anomalies being in the middle of the sheet, I am very curious to find out the composition. I don't want to be in this situation, but since we are, we might as well learn something.
Ill buy one of these seconds if they are in stock ready to ship
Another great video. Please keep us updated!
Will do and thank you!
I have been back watching alot of your videos and i was wondering have you only experienced theses issues with the one batch of metal? I believe in one of your videos you might have said you have ordered more to fulfill customers orders (please correct me if i am wrong). If you have placed more orders are you still seeing these problems?
We've noticed this issue across several batches. We have 3 mill test reports for materials we bought from Niagara Specialty Metals. We've also sourced sheets from SB Specialty Metals, that would have been from different heat numbers. I have yet to grind an entire batch of this Magnacut material and think to myself "that went well". Not once.
Even looking back 10 years ago. When survive visited.... those rollers look nasty man. I get carbon deposits. But that place is filthy so anywhere along the lines impurities can get in. They transfer the hot metal on dirty forks and what happens it one drops in the nasty floor and picks something up then is rolled into the press?
Thanks for the updates and the transparency. Do we know what the total impact to the consumer will be, in terms of wait time/production schedule? Order #19116
Thanks!
We are working through these parts in finish grinding as quickly as possible. I will have a much better idea on that when we have the last of these batches inspected. We're working on getting it all done ASAP, so it shouldn't take long to know.
maybe other not speaking up due to there products already being sold with it and instead not talking about it idk but should we test there products ?
Talking about these things is certainly not popular. Most people will act out of self interest first, protecting their income and reputation, over pursuing something like this where you'll invite retaliation from larger companies. Given all the threatening emails and letters we received over this, their concerns seem valid.
This was not something I really wanted to do but it needs talked about if anything is ever going to improve.
Wow, who knows how many Magnacut blades are in the wild with a compromised structure (from all manufacturers).
It will be interesting to see where this all goes.
It's sickening to think about.
This is clearly a materials defect and not an issue with Survive's manufacturing process. It would be interesting to get an elemental analysis using a mass spectrometer to find out what that abnormal material actually is, if possible.
It makes me wonder how many magnacut knives from other manufacturers are out there with similar issues that have been hidden by various finishing processes.
Hey Guy, once again, I really appreciate your transparency and updates. It is quite obvious to the anti survive knives people that you are not trying to pull a scam.....however, i doubt they will admit it.
I am really looking forward to my orders, even after 2 years, but knowing that the quality will be second to none makes it worth the wait. Hope i won't be disappointed.
Take care, Bro, and wish you good health. Make sure that you get some decent downtime.
Interesting details. If in doubt throw it out:)
Did Magnacut send you Survive Guy what was thrown out by them?
We have to get to the bottom of this! There's 5.1 with my name on it.
Hey Guy is Magnacut the best metal blade. How comes it look that way unda scope? Hi Ellie fantastic to hear your voice again;)
From Craig. UK.
Thank you Guy for the updates. You're doing an awesome job!
Ahh, sweet vindication.
Question/thought/ theory: it looks a little like the powder wasn’t mixed thoroughly before sintering. Have you used a magnet on those flakey bits? Are they magnetic? Maybe some of the metals in the composition are magnetic and sticking together in strings. I had that thought and read a little on the PM process and found there’s one method that uses electrical current called ECAS. That could magnetize some of the powders but not others. Do they use that process? I haven’t checked which metals in magnacut are magnetic and which aren’t, but I read that chromium is “paramagnetic” (slightly). Wierd stuff happens under pressure and heat. Maybe their process is causing metals to link up during the sintering to create those non-homogenous zones.
The lab apparently has some time on the SEM today, to take a closer look at this situation. It shouldn't take too long to understand exactly what is going on inside this Magnacut steel. A 1.5 million dollar machine has the ability to answer all the questions. 😉
don't understand how could mill blame you for the obviously insufficient product
Yeah, I'm still waiting for those "reports" they claim to have but won't share. Also still waiting to hear back about my material samples, they never returned those either.
Probably because it would be a large liability, and mess with investors etc. They are most likely more careful after their bankruptcy. But that would just be my guess based on my limited knowledge of how US companies operates.
Ok, if you’re so confident the material is absolutely worthless and you have the backing of a bunch of different knife makers and metal experts behind the scene, then why not take this to court? From what you said, that should be a slam dunk.
The short answer? It can cost a lot of money to be right in civil court, even if the evidence is obvious. A large company has the resources to drag out proceedings for years. A small time, local attorney is around $150 an hour. A fancy attorney can be $350+ an hour. Large companies tend to hire several fancy attorneys, who will bury you in procedure, until you run out of money or give up. I don't want to play that game, which is why I have been carefully standing on observations and verifiable facts. That is also why we are just making all of this information public, to spread awareness. Other people are going through this, and they need a voice.
As a follow up, the metallurgy field is extremely small. Those people fear reprisal from these large companies. If this goes to court, they would only give written testimony if it is sealed by the court, and only viewed by the judge. Other small companies and makers are afraid of being cut off by suppliers, so they don't speak up. Please know that it was not an easy decision to open up and start talking about these things.
So the math for a big knife co... Junk 20% of the magnacut or tumble it, coat it, 58hrc rockwell it, and play the odds that less than 20% of those magnacut blades will come back for warranty. Prob less than 5% will come back
Seeing so many coated Magnacut offerings on the market starts to make a lot more sense.
We are still here to support you Guy and spreading the word.
Thank you! People sharing these videos has gotten a bunch of people to reach out about their own experiences. Right now most are too afraid of being attacked or cut off if they speak up, which is totally valid based on my own experience. The lab reports going public might change some people's minds though.
Except no one else has any issues with Magnacut hmmm.
You don't know what issues any company might be having, only what they are willing to publicly talk about. With the messages we've gotten from other companies, your comment isn't the flex you think it is. Everybody is acting out of self interest. Some are afraid that they won't be able to sell their Magnacut inventory and others are afraid of backlash or being cut off by the steel mill if they speak up.
This seems to be a problem with the powder steel and something in the processing that creates this problem. But, the manufacturer's response to you was that the issue is related to the way you process this steel and manufacture the knife. To be faire, I don't find any videos where you explain how you make your knives and at what moment this happens.
We have an open shop, anyone is welcome to visit. We have seen these issues at every stage in production. At the end of this video, link below, we even ask follow up questions of Niagara's litigation attorney. If they have reports or other evidence suggesting we did this somehow, we would like it. Any metallurgist or material science expert who has seen our samples, who doesn't work for Niagara, 100% believes this is something inherent to the steel manufacturing. These anomalies are INSIDE the material, we're just uncovering them during processing. th-cam.com/video/2SuiZJ2R2f4/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Can't you just fill the anomalies in with some epoxy? ;) Good luck with this. Those photos tell a story.
Haha, just a little Bondo. It'll buff out. 😅
So, if you assume 20% of pieces have flaws found over maybe 30% of a blade’s surface area (the ground part), then you have to figure you’re missing a mountain of hidden flaws in the remaining unground 2/3 of the blade. Any statisticians out there? if there is 1 flaws in a 30% area, would we have three flaws over the entire surface? The odds would be .2 x .2 x .2 or 80% that any given piece will have a flaw?
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I would LOVE to meet someone who owns a micro-ct scanner, to do a bunch of scans. We're having some scanning done on samples but the rates for that service are 😱.
The way you talk about these issues you must have thousands of parts with voids. You sent 9 to NSM and you've shown a handful of some you have. Show us the piles of unfinished knives. What is the real failure rate?
Yeah, I was expecting this angle next, the redirect. First you folks say there is no issue, now you're going to be dismissive by trying to minimize it. 😂 I'll make a video for you guys shortly. As with most of the smaller parts in Cruforge, a lot of scrap was left back in Idaho.
We're unfortunately very used to having warranty issues dismissed, so at the time it didn't seem worth it to drag obvious scrap across the country. The idea of litigation never even crossed my mind, because from our side, I know that route is very expensive and drawn out. As a small business that would be fighting a big business, that is often a losing proposition, simply because the large company has a much bigger litigation budget.
We have multiple lab reports going now, so that will insulate us from any defamation or libel claims on their end. I just want to make knives, not play these games, but I'm also willing to take this the whole way if I know I'm right.
As a follow up, I was sending what Niagara asked for and what fit neatly in a standard box. We are seeing an average of about 20% of Magnacut parts having visible defects.
In a conspiracy to keep our business somewhat viable during all of this, we have sold parts with minor blemishes as factory seconds. I don't want to be doing that and no other company would make us do that, which is where I maintain the position that we should have been able to return the entire batch of suspect material.
I shouldn't need to cherry pick what needs to be acceptable and negotiate with my steel company like we are at a flea market. These are engineered materials, sold for industry leading prices. There is an implied expectation of quality when using CPM.
Just a dumb quick guess; Grease or oil from the rollers. The sheets get rolled out hot along the rollers... none of the rollers in the NSM look clean at all judging by some videos I've seen. If you want the best material you think they would have as clean as an environment as you can get. I get its a fordge and they ate dirty but thats the first thing i noticed.... damn those rollers look nasty. Just a small example, would be to mirror polish your rollers more offen to help stay low on impurities. Maybe I'm over thinking it but.... ?
Nah!! Its only bulking agent :-))
hello, just wanted to follow up again regarding my emails abt order #20044
Hey there, the GSO-4.5s are wrapping up production and should begin shipping soon. We will have a lot of more updates on these over the coming weeks.
👍
I’m keeping the faith that my edc 4 M390 FFG factory second will ship soon😅
It is 100% for sure on the shipping bench!
Did I heard a girl talking? How cute. Whos that?
That is Ellie behind the camera.
Cannot be that bad. Still shaves your hair apparently.
If this was something Survive Knives did, it would happen to different types of steel. This melt of magnachump was done wrong. S!K did not make the steel.
That's why it was so important to get these lab reports back. There is no way we could've done this. These issues are inside the steel, we are just uncovering what's already there.
I'll be waiting on a Creely (shill) video about how this is completely normal, hahaha...
How they're handling this whole ordeal, from Crucible to Niagara to Larrin himself is the reason why I'll never buy Magnacut or any Crucible/Niagara product or knives made of those steels ever again. I'm not an early adopter of anything let alone steels.. I never jump on some hype train and I always wait months if not years before I try something 'new' and I was almost ready to use Magnacut but no.. that ship has sailed.
Larrin seems to block people who bring up this issue or just glaze over it as quickly as possible. People need to understand that he is financially benefitting from Magnacut, there is a clear conflict of interest. His CPM bias is pretty obvious in how he chooses to present information on his Knife Steel Nerds channel and the types of comments he chooses to delete over there.
I think at this point of this drama series, you just need to stop working with Magnacut. There's a lot of other good steels to use in your product, i know... magnacut is the novelty, but like many desicions in life, if something is not work for you, just leave it. If you dont like something, just dont buy it. Found out your market place. Like Emerson knives, they married with 154CM and now is just a regular steel not the big deal. And now the brand charge hundreds to the Emerson addicts, thats why i hate emerson knives, they are super overpriced hahaha
To finish my argument... just leave it man. Find your favourite steel and stop complaint about something you dont like it and you cant change.
Best wishes and good luck 👍(sorry for my english, i speak spanish)
To bad Larrin the coward won't have a discussion about this. At least offer a solution.
This is just my opinion but once he started financially benefitting from Magnacut, he lost the ability to be impartial and have objective discussions. There is a clear conflict of interest and it shows in how he chooses to present information. He can come across as neutral to the casual knife enthusiast but his bias is blatantly obvious to the material science folks out there.
@SurviveKnives: I just received my GSO 5.1 Magnacut (factory second) and it is beautiful and scary sharp. I looked the knife over and I could not find a flaw, except maybe a scratch in the flag, but that is a very minor thing. If anyone gets a chance to purchase a factory second from Survive, I highly recommend doing so. BTW, I received my knife within the timeframe committed to by Survive! Thank you for your dedication to quality craftsmanship. 🤙