The Plasmatronic Hill Type 1 Plasma Tweeter + Eminent Technology LFT-8 Loudspeaker

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  • Chief Content Officer Tom Martin had the opportunity to chat w/ Tony Silsich representing Alan Hill's vintage plasma tweeter, helium-fueled loudspeaker design. They touch on Hill's background, the tweeter's unique engineering, its development, and eventual fall into obscurity.
    00:00-03:10 The History of Alan Hill's Plasma Tweeter
    03:10-06:43 Original Price and Design
    06:43-10:23 Why Helium?
    10:23-12:10 How Does the Plasma Work?
    12:10-13:33 What's the Temperature?
    13:33- Is it Going to Make a Comeback?
    About Tom Martin:
    Tom is a long-time audiophile. He began his reviewing career after acquiring the The Absolute Sound magazine in 1997 and then hi-fi+ magazine in 2002. He has worked closely with Harry Pearson and Robert Harley at TAS and with Roy Gregory and Alan Sircom at hi-fi+. Since Tom and his teams expanded the TAS and Plus platforms in the digital domain, he has served as Chief Content Officer.
    What Is The Absolute Sound?
    The Absolute Sound magazine has been a leading publication in high-end audio since 1972. Since the early 2000s, The Absolute Sound has expanded to include web, newsletter, digital magazine, social media, TH-cam and Substack platforms. The Absolute Sound platforms have a global audience of over 500,000 audiophiles.
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  • @falloutlov
    @falloutlov 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Alan Hill is my Grandfather. He is an inspiration to me and I love him dearly.

    • @bolsesolheim7469
      @bolsesolheim7469 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I loved him too !Dr Solheim Norway and Marbella!

  • @ChefAnatoly
    @ChefAnatoly 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This was by far one of the most impressive setups at the 2023 AXPONA show. It felt good to know that such cutting edge audio innovation was being produced around the time that I was born. Not only was the fact that listening to Plasma Speakers was impressive enough, but the sounded amazing. Lots of effortless lush soundstage, clarity, resolution, warm and rich sounding.

  • @rocksinger45
    @rocksinger45 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I was lucky to see/hear these speakers back in 1978 at the CES show as I remember it they had a really smooth sound ~ Glad to know these speakers are still around ~ Thanks for this video ~

  • @casperdowlen625
    @casperdowlen625 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I live in Albuquerque. Back in the mid 1980s I got to listen to these tweeters. Very bizzare but obviously effortless. Just cool.

  • @craigellsworth3952
    @craigellsworth3952 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I heard the Hill Plasmatronics in a store in Dallas back in 1982. One does not need an HP vocabulary to describe what I heard. Simply Wow.

    • @James-hb6ee
      @James-hb6ee 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I thought the plasma tweeter sounded fantastic, but everything below the tweeter to me sounded slow and wooly. I too heard these at a North Dallas audio dealership, but I don't recall the name of it. I want to say the dealer was located at the intersection of Preston Road and Belt Line Road, but I could be wrong on the location.

    • @craigellsworth3952
      @craigellsworth3952 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @James-hb6ee Hmm, that review pretty much mirrors what HP said about them. What they did right was so overwhelming that pretty much anybody hearing them wouldn't have nit picked the particulars. Except HP, and you. The store was on Alpha Road just west of Hillcrest.

  • @famousutopias
    @famousutopias 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    For sheer novelty I’ve long thought the Hill Plasmatronics on top and Dayton-Wright electrostatics on the bottom would be a lot of fun, particularly because the D-W required a charge of sulfur hexafluoride in the diaphragm space between the dust covers. Two tanks, great sound!

  • @bolsesolheim7469
    @bolsesolheim7469 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I bought my Plasmatronics from Alans Wife in 1978 ! Still use them in Norway ! Dr Solheim Marbella and Norway!

  • @dougg1075
    @dougg1075 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I can see a welding supply company bringing my tanks now. Super cool

  • @plinid
    @plinid 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am amazed! Not only by the tech & hardware, but also by the love and enthusiasm of this guy!
    Thank you for this!

  • @philenns6797
    @philenns6797 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thinking way back ... With a few friends, we'd hit different hi-end audio shops around California. A mind blower was that out of all the speakers we'd listen to, the Hill Plasmatronic speaker clearly defined a bass drum pedal squeak on the Bill Evans Quintessence album.

  • @helmutkool8
    @helmutkool8 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Could you make an follow up and include the differences to the plasma tweeters from Lansche?

  • @stephenduffy1881
    @stephenduffy1881 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Amazing technology

  • @ccscomments757
    @ccscomments757 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember sitting in my high school physics class in about 1980 watching a flame sing. That physics teacher was great.

  • @williampearson4968
    @williampearson4968 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I heard the Plasma Tweeter at Axpona 2023 and to me the room was best sound at the show. A wonderful and amazing technology.

  • @hermanvisser4034
    @hermanvisser4034 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fascinating video. Thanks for posting.

  • @charlesnr
    @charlesnr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Still remember the original demo with the room full of ozone.

  • @danlearned6199
    @danlearned6199 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The San Diego store he referenced was Ike Issacson's "Audio Directions" in Kearney Mesa. I saw, heard these in the store. Amazing, a pulsating, glowing orb that produced sound. After a while, the ionization effect left a very strong ozone smell to the listening area.

    • @c1ferrari
      @c1ferrari 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is where I heard them as a teenager circa late 70s/early 80s. The sound reproduction from those plasma tweeters was nothing less than scintillating! I recently acquired a green laser and fired it up in the evening sky and experienced that exact sensation of awe.

  • @poturbg8698
    @poturbg8698 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It's fascinating to see these, BUT WHAT DID THEY SOUND LIKE??

  • @jeffglotzer9346
    @jeffglotzer9346 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brian Beinfang (RIP) had his own pair in the 80's and 90's installed in his dealership, Sound Investments, in Milwaukee WI. They were truly impressive, as the show demo at Axpona this year.

  • @snakerog
    @snakerog 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I heard them at Audio by Caruso in Miami in the late 70s early 80s time frame. I don't remember them impressing me too much. Seems like the staff was spending more time getting them going than me getting to hear them for any length of time. I also heard and was impressed with a pair of RTR ESR6 tweeters which I bought and enjoyed having and listening to for many years.

  • @JohnVander70
    @JohnVander70 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great story, am very much enjoying your work here on youtube.

  • @glenncurry3041
    @glenncurry3041 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Oh the cobb webs are shaking the dust off. But not enough yet! I heard a pair of the original Hill's speakers in someone's home in the S.E. in the late 70's. I was a rep for various lines including Marantz, AR, Kenwood, AT, .... in the S.E. and travelled up to 6 states. I think it was the Atlanta area? But not sure. Could have even been to discuss repping them?

  • @kevinjackson1370
    @kevinjackson1370 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hearing these play the 1812 Overture behind a curtain of speaker cloth at the Chicago CES show so you could see only the flame clearly was a singular moment.

  • @eddievega1100
    @eddievega1100 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Star Trek Tech , Scotty would be proud.

  • @julian73de
    @julian73de 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing. Never heard of

  • @FOH3663
    @FOH3663 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Amazing times in audio back then ... world class physicsts pushing the boundaries of playback reproduction.

  • @gzubeck3
    @gzubeck3 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not having a slot that I can light my $80 cigars with is a deal breaker for me. :>) Why is that all the high end tweeters are dangerous as hell (Plasma and Beryllium). Gives new meaning to "Audio to die for!"

  • @pervertedalchemist9944
    @pervertedalchemist9944 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Helium fueled loudspeaker?! You just know someone is going to try to push the limit on those.

  • @jjackson409
    @jjackson409 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I worked for Lee Terell, Audio Excellence SF, back then. The Twitter is the most natural sounding I have ever heard. No artifacts, just pure bliss. the speed and purity made it hard to match other drivers. would love to have heard it with the ET speaker pairing.

    • @zilipoper
      @zilipoper 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      th-cam.com/users/shortsTNZfHpKWnBs plasma + subwoofer

  • @johnarango7500
    @johnarango7500 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So, just before Hill stopped selling the Plasmatronic, I was contacted about making the cabinets--partly because I was making them for Sound ideas, a local hi-fi store, run by Loren Bishop, who left Sandia Labs to sell Klipsch speakers. Never did build one because Hill decided, as mentioned in the video, to give up the speaker business.

    • @stewartashton6997
      @stewartashton6997 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi John, I worked as a salesman at Sound Ideas from the mid to late 70's. I'm sure our paths must have crossed.

  • @db029936
    @db029936 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In canada, the German company Magnat sold plasma speakers for $4000 cdn. A three way tower with plasma tweeter. My friend bought a set. Like those ones in the video, they hissed.

    • @db029936
      @db029936 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That was in the seventies.

  • @glennbaxter4507
    @glennbaxter4507 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I heard these at an early '80s CES and tried to talk my boss into meeting with them to discuss representing them in AZ, NM and NV. He wouldn't go to the meeting. He was probably right.

  • @diwa2601
    @diwa2601 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have one type 1 tweeter from local recycle yard and box of parts from another one. P.S. With active Xover user manual ....

  • @scottyo64
    @scottyo64 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My home town gets mentioned and it had nothing to do with crime! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @dougg1075
    @dougg1075 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wonder how AI will or could effect the industry. You may be able to have a conversation with your preamp. Or could it design new drivers , crossovers , cabinets etc.
    I saw a TED where this company used mashing learning to design the frame for a drone, and after millions of iterations and evolutions it spit out the design. It looked nearly identical to a flying squirrel’s skeleton. Very organic looking. And this was several years ago.

  • @andrearibi932
    @andrearibi932 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hello … I was debating with a friend the tech ….
    My friend claims they sound better
    Can I kindly ask you if you are able to run tests on these and show us with tangible proof ( you know like Klippel .. or mlssa ) the usual proof
    I hope you have access to the right tool , otherwise there is a couple of guys in the USA that would gladly run them for you
    I understand this is rare stuff and all , but since you are a commercial venture .. it will be super important for us consumer to verify they claimed superiority to say a dome or ribbon tweeter
    This is by no mean a ruse or a passive attempt to discredit anything … we just want to understand their strength from a verifiable and scientific perspective

  • @raybudau9920
    @raybudau9920 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Didn't also Magnat in Germany have the same thing.

  • @sceptor3893
    @sceptor3893 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If your W.A.F is low now, try dragging a 6ft cast iron tank into your living room.

  • @JohnLee-db9zt
    @JohnLee-db9zt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If only ozone problem was solved with these speakers.

    • @alanhillsplasmatweeter7318
      @alanhillsplasmatweeter7318 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is solved since they do not create any ozone - the plasma is extremely hot and destroys ozone, unlike 'cold' discharges.

  • @michaelanzelino5068
    @michaelanzelino5068 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is it true that a man brought one of these units home and three days later, the whole family disappeared. nothing else was disturbed, but the family up and disappeared.

    • @user-zq9bn8wo1h
      @user-zq9bn8wo1h 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think I saw them on From, they’re trying to figure a way out 😂

  • @a4kata655
    @a4kata655 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    blsht :)))

  • @joppepeelen
    @joppepeelen 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    lets not forget,,, the helium prevents corosion and less ozone... witch can be lethal

  • @kloss213
    @kloss213 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Ozone its what happens.

    • @fonkenful
      @fonkenful 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, what could possibly go wrong?

    • @richardelliott8352
      @richardelliott8352 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@fonkenful I walked into the end of a demo of one of these speakers in San Diego, the room reeked of ozone. Because of the ozone hazard , the speaker was withdrawn from the market the next week.

    • @fonkenful
      @fonkenful 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@richardelliott8352 I can recall attending VSAC 2003 where Josh Stippich (ElectronLuv) demonstrated an absolutely insane high powered SET with GM100 transmitter tubes running at 1900V, and radiating sufficient ozone that more than 5minutes in the room left one affected by far more than the sound. How he got away with it is beyond me.

    • @Secession1900
      @Secession1900 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Unlike numerous other plasma tweeters like the Ionovac, the Hill tweeter does not ionize air, it ionizes helium, therefore it should not produce ozone in normal operation. I heard the Hill speaker at Axpona 2023 and could not smell any ozone in the air after it had been operating for several hours. If you detected ozone at a demo of the Hill speaker it was broken.

    • @guywhite1004
      @guywhite1004 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Ozone is detectable by smell at very low concentrations (~ 0.1 ppm) which is lower than most ozone detectors can detect. The problem is that even at low concentrations the nose becomes insensitive to it to the point where higher concentrations of ozone do not register. This can lead to very bad breathing problems and even death as the ozone concentration increases. Ozone detectors must be used in areas where ozone is used to alarm people that the concentration has risen to dangerous exposure levels. Been gassed by ozone several times - it is not fun.