I like the image of flipping the Antarctic 24 hour footage and placing it under the Northern footage. It makes it easier to see that the sun’s “motion” is the same, it’s just our perspective is flipped. I will show this footage to my physics students…it nicely demonstrates the sun’s apparent motion.
I'm pointing out that flat earthers agreed this would be a good test. And that globers also agreed this would be a good test. You can't change your mind just because the test didn't show what you wanted. So far no flat earther has even bothered responding to that.
@@RegebroRepairs I hear some of them say "we were wrong about it setting but it only means we need to do more tests and reevaluate our model" now. All they want to do is avoid the issue that things just work on the globe.
The only problem with the flat earth is that nothing needs to work on the flat earth. That is why they are trying to get nothing to work on the globe earth too.
In flerfdom, the flat earth gurus are basically saying, "Yes, we lied about the 24 hour Antarctic sun, we can't explain how the equinox sun works nor why the observed southern hemisphere sun rotates in the complete opposite direction of the observed northern hemisphere sun, (not to mention all of the other FE nonsense), but have faith since the globers are lying to us about the true nature of the earth we live on". Then mental gymnastics required to be a flat earther is astounding.
Challenge flerfs to hold a golf ball up to the moon while it's visible during the day and explain why the shadows match each and every time. Then ask them why the moon is visible during the night, but the golf ball is in darkness. The meltdowns are phenomenal.
They (the globers) had 17 or so other experiments on their list and you have had plenty of time to suggest /promote your observational experiment. While I agree it would have been a cool thing to do, your suggestion came in a bit late. And yes, I also hate it when hindsight hits my forehead.
@@mballer In that case, all I can say is Im sorry you didnt get what you suggested. And I agree, it would indeed have been a great there-then visualisation of whats going on.
I'm sure everyone who went was overwhelmed by a barrage of non-stop suggestions, good ones and those provided by flerfs. A globe with a usable/filmable resolution takes up a lot of luggage space as well.
Yup. Earth _could_ be flat if you have one thing only to lean on. But if you add just one more thing into the equation it all falls apart. Claiming "What you see in the sky doesnt prove what you are standing on" is a dumb statement. What you see in the sky is part of the package, and it needs to be explained. I just watched Witsit's last stream before he went, and he claimed it is a win for FE no matter what is observed. Unfortunately he didnt explain _how_ it would be a win as he was too busy begging for money.
Absolutely correct! No matter what, the observation of the night sky needs to be explained, as does any claim that no matter what is observed, the Earth is flat! No point holding our breath waiting for either explanation... 🙄
Nothing will end the flat earth debate. For the flat earth TH-camrs it's about views/follows/likes etc most of them probably don't even believe the earth is flat, it's just a subject that attracts views. And the same thing applies to the flat earth debunker TH-camrs, they need the flat earthers to keep their channels popular, to me it seems a lot like WWE wrestling, it's not real but it attracts huge audiences, I wouldn't be surprised if at least some flat earth TH-camrs and flat earth debunker TH-camrs actually communicate behind the scenes and discuss strategies to keep the whole thing going.
Flerfs will introduce multiple suns into their so-called "model(s)". Which would mean that, in regions where the paths of the multiple suns overlap, one must be able to see more than one sun coming from different directions and angles. And what force keeps the sun circling above the FE disc without falling down or crashing into the dome also need an explanation of some sort. And finally it would be nice to know what kind of object the sun is and what produces the light and heat coming from the sun. A coal-burning stove perhaps?
I'm sure flerfs would believe that 3 suns is more logical to them than a single sun orbited by a globe earth. Reasoning isn't flerfs strong point, being stupid is
@@rikomagic2885 True. Reasoning is not their strong point. Therefore they have no clue what the sun actually IS. And nobody asks them this question in any of the debates. Sad.
@@junestorm actually, lots of flerfs are pretending that there are multiple suns now. I can't wait for them to revisit the old and debunked videos of multiple suns haha
I know they'll always have something to nit-pick about, but I'd love to hear an explanation about their current critique of the Final Experiment, namely the shadows at the site are all wrong.
It would be fun to plot the longitudes, horizons and the equator for a few places on a celestial globe, at the equinox, with the sun moving from east to west, first with the equator in the same plane and then with the horizons in the same plane. What to say about the other case? ”That is why we think all flat earthers are cracy.”
Yes, obviously. Great video though. For flat earthers it needs to be made as easy as possible and multiple observations have to be combined for them, because they will otherwise just look at one observation and pretend that the other observations do not exist.
Brilliant as always. Although this experiment suggested and coordinated by you with participants from around the globe should have settled the matter 7 years ago. th-cam.com/video/V03eF0bcYno/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7iqouhjTi4-HzXI5
@@slysparkane808 yeah, you hit the nail right on the head there. even if they wanted to, they simply can not let go of their religion because they have been brainwashed and indoctrinated so hard.
Thanks for putting this together! Very well done.
I hope you don't mind that I'm super happy you were able to experience that.
I like the image of flipping the Antarctic 24 hour footage and placing it under the Northern footage. It makes it easier to see that the sun’s “motion” is the same, it’s just our perspective is flipped.
I will show this footage to my physics students…it nicely demonstrates the sun’s apparent motion.
that upside down footage reminded me of critical think, who was there too, BTW,
Agree I quite like this. It makes more sense in my mind why does the sun rotate opposite direction in the southern hemisphere
DUDE!!! These are flerfs. No amount of assumptions required are too many when they seek an alternate model and to reject one they don’t like.
I'm pointing out that flat earthers agreed this would be a good test. And that globers also agreed this would be a good test. You can't change your mind just because the test didn't show what you wanted.
So far no flat earther has even bothered responding to that.
@@RegebroRepairs I hear some of them say "we were wrong about it setting but it only means we need to do more tests and reevaluate our model" now. All they want to do is avoid the issue that things just work on the globe.
Exactly, but using logic and reasoning to explain what is actually happening puts the flerfs at a disadvantage.
The only problem with the flat earth is that nothing needs to work on the flat earth.
That is why they are trying to get nothing to work on the globe earth too.
In flerfdom, the flat earth gurus are basically saying, "Yes, we lied about the 24 hour Antarctic sun, we can't explain how the equinox sun works nor why the observed southern hemisphere sun rotates in the complete opposite direction of the observed northern hemisphere sun, (not to mention all of the other FE nonsense), but have faith since the globers are lying to us about the true nature of the earth we live on". Then mental gymnastics required to be a flat earther is astounding.
Challenge flerfs to hold a golf ball up to the moon while it's visible during the day and explain why the shadows match each and every time. Then ask them why the moon is visible during the night, but the golf ball is in darkness.
The meltdowns are phenomenal.
thank you for getting Occam's Razor correct :)
I am disappointed they didn't take a globe to watch the sunshine hit it and show the days and nights occurring around the world.
They (the globers) had 17 or so other experiments on their list and you have had plenty of time to suggest /promote your observational experiment. While I agree it would have been a cool thing to do, your suggestion came in a bit late.
And yes, I also hate it when hindsight hits my forehead.
@HOOOLD_ON
I did suggest it numerous times.
I am disappointed in myself for not trying harder.
It seemed like such an obvious thing to do.
@@mballer In that case, all I can say is Im sorry you didnt get what you suggested. And I agree, it would indeed have been a great there-then visualisation of whats going on.
I'm sure everyone who went was overwhelmed by a barrage of non-stop suggestions, good ones and those provided by flerfs. A globe with a usable/filmable resolution takes up a lot of luggage space as well.
They can do it in Australia, during daytime.
@Sly Sparkane did you see MCToon's rant?
NATHAN, WHERE ARE THE GUNS???
#nathanwherearetheguns
Never mind that... "Where is Nathan! 😂
@@chrisantoniou4366 : He's busy making new videos for his minions. Flatters could really care less what the shape of the planet is.
Yup. Earth _could_ be flat if you have one thing only to lean on. But if you add just one more thing into the equation it all falls apart. Claiming "What you see in the sky doesnt prove what you are standing on" is a dumb statement.
What you see in the sky is part of the package, and it needs to be explained. I just watched Witsit's last stream before he went, and he claimed it is a win for FE no matter what is observed. Unfortunately he didnt explain _how_ it would be a win as he was too busy begging for money.
Absolutely correct! No matter what, the observation of the night sky needs to be explained, as does any claim that no matter what is observed, the Earth is flat! No point holding our breath waiting for either explanation... 🙄
Save yourself a headache please don’t watch brains logic.
Bad spelling but yes, it's just sad.
Nothing will end the flat earth debate. For the flat earth TH-camrs it's about views/follows/likes etc most of them probably don't even believe the earth is flat, it's just a subject that attracts views. And the same thing applies to the flat earth debunker TH-camrs, they need the flat earthers to keep their channels popular, to me it seems a lot like WWE wrestling, it's not real but it attracts huge audiences, I wouldn't be surprised if at least some flat earth TH-camrs and flat earth debunker TH-camrs actually communicate behind the scenes and discuss strategies to keep the whole thing going.
Masterful, short, right on.
Merry christmas!
Globe earth:
One flat equator, Up is everywhere in the sky.
Flat earth:
One flat horizon, north pole is everywhere in the sky.
What D Marble video isn't a mess? I don't think he's had a sane thought.
Bubble level on a plane was pretty primo.
The copium has been fierce. Expect much more nuh uh.
Worldwide stockpiles of copium have been wiped out. nu-uh is all they have left.
@mrxmry3264 Narcan shortages are expected too from all the ODs. 🤪
This is an excellent video.
There is two types of people. Those that believe in a flat earth and those that think that geometry is a real thing.
Flerfs will introduce multiple suns into their so-called "model(s)". Which would mean that, in regions where the paths of the multiple suns overlap, one must be able to see more than one sun coming from different directions and angles.
And what force keeps the sun circling above the FE disc without falling down or crashing into the dome also need an explanation of some sort. And finally it would be nice to know what kind of object the sun is and what produces the light and heat coming from the sun. A coal-burning stove perhaps?
I'm sure flerfs would believe that 3 suns is more logical to them than a single sun orbited by a globe earth. Reasoning isn't flerfs strong point, being stupid is
@@rikomagic2885 I love the way they describe the sun as just a light in the sky, yep, it's not that important it only keeps us alive!
@@rikomagic2885 True. Reasoning is not their strong point. Therefore they have no clue what the sun actually IS. And nobody asks them this question in any of the debates. Sad.
@@junestorm actually, lots of flerfs are pretending that there are multiple suns now. I can't wait for them to revisit the old and debunked videos of multiple suns haha
I know they'll always have something to nit-pick about, but I'd love to hear an explanation about their current critique of the Final Experiment, namely the shadows at the site are all wrong.
It would be fun to plot the longitudes, horizons and the equator for a few places on a celestial globe, at the equinox, with the sun moving from east to west, first with the equator in the same plane and then with the horizons in the same plane.
What to say about the other case?
”That is why we think all flat earthers are cracy.”
Yes, obviously. Great video though. For flat earthers it needs to be made as easy as possible and multiple observations have to be combined for them, because they will otherwise just look at one observation and pretend that the other observations do not exist.
merry xmas & happy newyear , to all people on every shape they want
D.Marble? Didn't he lose his marbles years ago? Is he still on the flerf scene selling his #OffensiveFE merch?
Brilliant as always. Although this experiment suggested and coordinated by you with participants from around the globe should have settled the matter 7 years ago. th-cam.com/video/V03eF0bcYno/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7iqouhjTi4-HzXI5
it's ok.. FEs are not going to accept anything that challenges their beliefs
@@slysparkane808 yeah, you hit the nail right on the head there. even if they wanted to, they simply can not let go of their religion because they have been brainwashed and indoctrinated so hard.
Perfection.