I feel so much better now. I don't want to be married, I don't want children or any of that. I will happily remain single for the rest of my life and serve the Lord in my permanent singleness. And thank God for pets. They help alot with loneliness and depression.
*I love the way Pastor John approaches questions. I appreciate his way, he's just so passionate and eager but also very humble and not judgmental. I'm not married or dating , but man I gotta look into this more because this is a huge topic in knowing and following Jesus and in the future. Thanks John and staff. As always, I appreciate this series so much you don't even know, I listen to them sometimes on the way to school so I can get spiritually smarter before getting academically smarter* :)
Modern pleasure-loving man does not want to hear this word: Every intimate marital sexual union that has no possibility of producing a child is actually a form of sodomy. Sex for pleasure alone, no matter with whom and how it is performed is sodomy. This is also a shadow picture or type of a spiritual reality about our relationship of covenant marriage union with our Head, our King, our Messiah, if it does not result in a conception, form and birth Christ within your spiritual deep inner womb, it is either a virtual union or a union with a false christ, another spirit, thus it is a vain religion for thrills and an emotional high, just like having sex for a dopamine hit and not for reproduction.
My husband and I had three sons, my last one by 23. After experiencing a still born of a girl in between my sons, and high risk pregnancies with the others we decided that I were to have a tubal ligation done. We are in our thirty’s now and both have regret we had the procedure done. We have talked about having more kids and if we do it will require significant amount of money and me going under again to reverse it. I had set in my heart I didn’t want more kids at 23 but truly I hate that I can’t have another if we wanted. I know we lived on emotions, anger because we didn’t have a girl and not wisdom when making that decision. All actions contrary to the Lord.
Hi sister :) Please consider this: The reason birth control (including tubal ligation) is sinful has to do with God's design for sex. God made sex for two purposes namely for procreative purposes and unitive purposes (meaning to deepen the love and bond between the spouses) However one must never separate the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes because God never intended for the two to be separate. For every act in marriage to be chaste it must meet both the procreative and unitive purposes of sex. Let's take IVF for example: it's procreative but it's not unitive because there is no sexual union which takes place between the spouses which bonds them together. Therefore it's not within God's will because it separates the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes. Birth control does the opposite of IVF. The sexual union takes place but it's closed off to procreation thereby rendering the act sterile. So birth control separates the sexual union from it's procreative purposes. Let's take BDSM as another example. It is possible for BDSM to be procreative but hitting, choking, tying up your spouse during sex does not bond you together so it's non unitive and therefore BDSM should also not be practiced in a Christian marriage because it also separates the procreative from the unitive. Unnatural sexual acts are all non procreative and non unitive so it's not within God's design. Not saying God wants us to conceive every time we have sex but we should at least be open to life resulting from that act so if it is impossible that a baby could result from the act you are doing or it's contraceptive then it's wrong. You can look up natural family and use that instead of tubal litigation, condoms, birth control and artificial contraceptives. God bless!
Modern pleasure-loving man does not want to hear this word: Every intimate marital sexual union that has no possibility of producing a child is actually a form of sodomy. Sex for pleasure alone, no matter with whom and how it is performed is sodomy. This is also a shadow picture or type of a spiritual reality about our relationship of covenant marriage union with our Head, our King, our Messiah, if it does not result in a conception, form and birth Christ within your spiritual deep inner womb, it is either a virtual union or a union with a false christ, another spirit, thus it is a vain religion for thrills and an emotional high, just like having sex for a dopamine hit and not for reproduction.
Why is anyone on earth asking this perverse hateful old man if they are allowed to have children? How did that happen? Wake up guys, you're smart and loved by God.
Listening to the video, what in the hell is he babbling about, none of this is about using birth control, he's talking about Paul... So so gross, please see how sick and wrong this is.
I believe that the fact I’m even having this internal battle with myself as to whether or not to have kids (and erring on the side of not having them) could be a calling from God that having children isn’t the life He wants me to live. I’ve been fighting internally about this for a long time now and I wish I just had some peace of mind, so thank you Pastor John for those 5 points we need to consider before having children.
If you use birth control to facilitate fornication, it is sin. If you use it to avoid unplanned pregnancy, there isn’t a sin. The Roman Catholic prohibition is not based on the Bible.
Sex is one desire. Wanting offspring is another completely different desire. To fulfill one of these desires without fulfilling the other desire is NOT a sin. To create offspring without having the desire to create offspring is the real sin!
Actually, @@orion7741, there is a 3rd desire: The desire to be a parent. You must have both the desire to have offspring AND the desire to be a parent for creating offspring to be licit.
I don't know your religion or spirituality @@danilotte2, and so can't tell you what is a sin for you. Religious organizations define your "sins." Religious leaders sometimes practice what they preach, but many times consider themselves "above their laws." To me, creating offspring without mutual desire and intent to both create offspring and become parents is the sin. I consider using birth control when those two desires/intents are not present to be the appropriate spiritual action.
Permanent or temporary birth control is not a sin. Genesis 2:18, "It is not good for man to be alone." What this means is that an angelic companion will be assigned to you in heaven if you are not in a committed relationship with someone. Genesis 1:28 says to "Be fruitful and multiply." If you multiply without control that is NOT fruitful because there is only a certain amount of money so you can overpopulate your local economy. Paul says? Paul? Paul does not make universal policy nor did he understand it. Human free will is a priority of God or it would not be law.
Hes forgetting about Noah, in Genesis 9:1 being told also, "Be fruitful and multiply"... clearly after the fall. Scripture says if you can be single, be single, but not if you will be tempted to sin. (Sexual immorality) There are many verses about marriage and children, and the marriage covenant.
2 And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive. 3 But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun. 29 For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!'
The Bible does encourage child bearing, but it doesn’t take against being child free. There is a scripture that says those who are unborn are blessed because they don’t have to experience an evil world filled with suffering. It’s selfish to drag a child into existence.
To be Christian, married and fertile means you are to enjoy sex and also procreate. It is God's desire, He is seeking Godly offspring from your union Malachi 2:15. Childfree is not an option unless you suffer from infertility or choose a life of singleness through celibacy. This new idea that suddenly you don't have to have children and can do " whatever" is not a teaching fo scripture,.
@@rachelscottspeaks80972 And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive. 3 But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun. 29 For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!'
@@Android-ds9ie still doesn't say 'its selfish to bring a child into existence' that is what she meant by it doesn't say that in "that" context. Sometimes our own interpretation is read into biblical verses and we may sometimes interpret them incorrectly. However, I'm not saying I have all the answers. Guidance by the Holy Spirit is what we need.
No.... God celebrates new children being born and becoming new believers to end up in His kingdom. I am not sure how any christian can take the "the world is too crappy" logic in regards to having kids or not. The world has ALWAYS been full of evil and turmoil. There has never not been a time in history where most of the planet's population wasn't suffering in some way.
Follow-up Question: what about refraining from conception due to failures as a parent, namely sinful failures... Yelling at kids, being impatient, speaking in unkind tones for some examples. What to do if a person is not capable of parenting in a godly nor mature christian way?
I just never knew that birth control pills could act as a means of abortion. Way back when I was first married, the birth control pill was described as preventing conception or keeps you from getting pregnant or keeps you from conceiving a baby. So in our minds it prevented fertilization. Well. That’s what happens when you don’t have internet and TV stations were pretty minimal too.
Hi brother/sister Please consider this: The reason birth control is sinful has to do with God's design for sex. God made sex for two purposes namely for procreative purposes and unitive purposes (meaning to deepen the love and bond between the spouses) However one must never separate the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes because God never intended for the two to be separate. For every act in marriage to be chaste it must meet both the procreative and unitive purposes of sex. Let's take IVF for example: it's procreative but it's not unitive because there is no sexual union which takes place between the spouses which bonds them together. Therefore it's not within God's will because it separates the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes. Birth control does the opposite of IVF. The sexual union takes place but it's closed off to procreation thereby rendering the act sterile. So birth control separates the sexual union from it's procreative purposes. Let's take BDSM as another example. It is possible for BDSM to be procreative but hitting, choking, tying up your spouse during sex does not bond you together so it's non unitive and therefore BDSM should also not be practiced in a Christian marriage because it also separates the procreative from the unitive. Unnatural sexual acts are all non procreative and non unitive so it's not within God's design. Not saying God wants us to conceive every time we have sex but we should at least be open to life resulting from that act so if it is impossible that a baby could result from the act you are doing or it's contraceptive then it's wrong. You can look up natural family and use that instead of condoms, birth control and artificial contraceptives. God bless!
If is not good for a man to be single, then women do not want anything to do with me when they are seeking a prize trophey. There are reasons for family planning?", "Can I afford to have children?", "Is it something I want?" "Is it the right time?" "How many can I afford?" and these are logical questions that couples should asked them selves and you really do not have to have children to complete a marriage. There are economic reason to have children and there are economic reason not to have children. Children are a major responsibility and can be an economic stress. It should not be a religious obligation to procreate for the lord, that is between the married couple only.
My family decided on permanent birth control after pur 3rd..financially and at the high costs of our marriage we would have proceeded without. I do sometimes I think rather ask if we were too hasty. Having 3 has been really hard in every aspect. We physical don't have the space in our home for more children and thank God he has sustained us but we are not in a financial situation where we can buy a bigger house. Our marriage has been deeply effected by not being able to spend more time. I LOVE our kids but it's hard. I think God gives us wisdom to choose. I think if God wants me to have another PBC or not ill have another. Again tho it would be worth putting before God to ask where He stands. When we made this choice it was on the heels of a birth. I am wishy washy here. Best thing I can say is pray
Hi sister :) Please consider this: The reason birth control is sinful has to do with God's design for sex. God made sex for two purposes namely for procreative purposes and unitive purposes (meaning to deepen the love and bond between the spouses) However one must never separate the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes because God never intended for the two to be separate. For every act in marriage to be chaste it must meet both the procreative and unitive purposes of sex. Let's take IVF for example: it's procreative but it's not unitive because there is no sexual union which takes place between the spouses which bonds them together. Therefore it's not within God's will because it separates the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes. Birth control does the opposite of IVF. The sexual union takes place but it's closed off to procreation thereby rendering the act sterile. So birth control separates the sexual union from it's procreative purposes. Let's take BDSM as another example. It is possible for BDSM to be procreative but hitting, choking, tying up your spouse during sex does not bond you together so it's non unitive and therefore BDSM should also not be practiced in a Christian marriage because it also separates the procreative from the unitive. Unnatural sexual acts are all non procreative and non unitive so it's not within God's design. Not saying God wants us to conceive every time we have sex but we should at least be open to life resulting from that act so if it is impossible that a baby could result from the act you are doing or it's contraceptive then it's wrong. You can look up natural family and use that instead of condoms, birth control and artificial contraceptives. God bless!
@@ABezuidenhout370 Hmm, not sure I fully agree with your take on this. So is 'natural' birth control acceptable then? If not, then why do you draw this conclusion? There are also those people who simply cannot have kids; are they barred from having sex in the eyes of God? Why or why not? God's design for sex was both for pleasure between a husband and wide and to procreate. It was not specifically state both go together or it is sin (granted, biblical principle can be applied to figure it out one way or the other), which is why this topic is so talked about in christian communities. So is your take that no one at all should ever be on any form of birth control (natural or otherwise) what so ever, and that anyone who does so is sinning?
I think once a married couple have a family and we are getting on in years I don't think there is an issue.. we don't need to multiply as we did in the beginning..
ok... but who gave you authority to attempt to take control of God's will towards your family life??? If you truly serve Jesus, you will fully rely upon God and what his will is for your life, that includes how many children he wants for you. no matter how many children he wants for you, He will provide for every need!
i believe that we have no need, even if you are married, to have children. i am never going to get married and never have children, but i will always try to keep god at the center of my life. God bless you and your family
1 Timothy 2:15 (ESV) Paul says, 15 Women, however, will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control. Galatians 3:28 (NIV) 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. We are all one in Christ. 1 Timothy 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers. 1 Timothy 5: 14-15 So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander. Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan. For husbands and wives who need to deprive each other of physical intimacy we have this passage... 1 Corinthians 7:5 Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. Somebody else wrote this part, it wasn’t me… First, as you remark, a natural reading of the word "saved" doesn't allow this passage to agree with the rest of Scriptures. So we should look at possible definitions. One possibility comes from 1 Timothy 4:16 above. It's plain from that verse that Paul does not think that in the final judgment Timothy's listeners will be saved on the basis of Timothy's careful watch of his own life and doctrine. Rather the idea is probably better seen in a place like 6:20-21: "Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith." Therefore, we might understand "save" as in the sense of "protect someone from wandering from the faith." Second, then, we ask how does "childbearing" protect anyone from wandering from their faith? The phrase "to have children" in 1 Timothy 5:14 is the only other instance of this term in the New Testament. And here we see it alongside a couple other verbs: "marry" and "manage their homes." It's possible then that Paul's use of childbearing in 2:15 is a shorthand for this larger idea. In the passage in chapter 5, the young widows are in danger of bringing judgment on themselves by being idlers and gossips and busybodies. To protect them from this, Paul counsels that they marry, have children, and manage homes. This will keep Satan from getting a foothold in their lives. We see a similar pattern in the 1 Corithians 7 passage. Paul is concerned that by depriving one another couples will give opportunity to Satan to tempt them towards sexual immorality. Paul therefore recommends that they come together as a married couple as a means of protection. Thus while we wouldn't say anyone is saved in the final judgment because they had regular intercourse with their spouse, people might be saved from the temptation to go after shrine prostitutes and their idols and so forsake the faith. Similarly, childbearing is not what saves a woman in the final judgement. A woman is saved in the final judgment like anyone else (their is no Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male or female...): through faith. Yet in this life, childbearing is a gift to help save her from making shipwreck of that faith.
2 And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive. 3 But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun. 29 For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!'
Read the text Paul is giving. It’s a preference. And before anyone says anything I do know that 1Corinthians is God breathed but that’s not to say that when Paul says things like “I have no command from the lord...” or “I wish...” that that is a command. It’s not.
Hi brother/ sister Please consider this: The reason birth control is sinful has to do with God's design for sex. God made sex for two purposes namely for procreative purposes and unitive purposes (meaning to deepen the love and bond between the spouses) However one must never separate the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes because God never intended for the two to be separate. For every act in marriage to be chaste it must meet both the procreative and unitive purposes of sex. Let's take IVF for example: it's procreative but it's not unitive because there is no sexual union which takes place between the spouses which bonds them together. Therefore it's not within God's will because it separates the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes. Birth control does the opposite of IVF. The sexual union takes place but it's closed off to procreation thereby rendering the act sterile. So birth control separates the sexual union from it's procreative purposes. Let's take BDSM as another example. It is possible for BDSM to be procreative but hitting, choking, tying up your spouse during sex does not bond you together so it's non unitive and therefore BDSM should also not be practiced in a Christian marriage because it also separates the procreative from the unitive. Unnatural sexual acts are all non procreative and non unitive so it's not within God's design. Not saying God wants us to conceive every time we have sex but we should at least be open to life resulting from that act so if it is impossible that a baby could result from the act you are doing or it's contraceptive then it's wrong. You can look up natural family and use that instead of condoms, birth control and artificial contraceptives. God bless!
Within marriage it's not a preference God commands us to be fruitful and multiply. Paul is talking about people who choose to remain unmarried and in their case yes of course having children is not for them
I’m a father of three and my wife didn’t went through pregnancies very well and also every labour without doctors intervention would have been fatal for my wife and child potentially. After a third blessing doctor told us that if she’s going to be pregnant again she might not survive. What if then I decided that I don’t want her to put chemicals in her body and I’ll get vasectomy instead to make sure she won’t be pregnant again.Could that be a sin?
Before you get a vasectomy at least watch this 4 parts series to make sure you know what the Bible says. You can use other forms of birth control, it might be inconvenient but you don't have to mutilate your body for love. Watch all 4 videos, then PRAY. th-cam.com/video/bSAgHvETNSg/w-d-xo.html
Just wondering am in the same situation I have ha 3 c sections waiting for the fourth against drs orders basically putting my life at risk and vesectomy looks looks like it would save my life and marriage. What could we do? natural and artificial contraception is not working. Feeling frustrated I just don't want to die and am sure God isn't that cruel
I'm glad I heard this. I can die if I got pregnant. I want to get my tubes tied but been told it is a sin if I got them tied. I don't want to ever get tempted to abort or harm the baby because I died. I'm glad he talked about it.
@@busycrazylifegettingfit.3745 But she hasn't had any babys! She has just said that if she did it would be dangerous for her and the baby if she did. I'm assuming there is a medical reason. If I was her I would ask God for confirmation either way and personally for her. If I had medical problems and God had already said that I should have a child, then I hope I would still trust him in that. If not I would also ask for God's confirmation on that also. I don't think she's trying to 'kill babys' but potentially she could be killing herself if she just follows everyone's advice! I think she should really pray about it!!
Not a sin but it kind of sucks that I have been denied of a sister because my parents had a vasectomy after I was born,I have two older brothers .I have always wanted a sister lol ,but my best friend is far better than a sister
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s Do you think he should answer, either Yes or No? He uses the words "Maybe, Maybe Not, Presumptuous", but not "Yes it is a sin" nor "No it is not." Whatever his style is, he needs to be clear. He answers the way he does because he does not want to take responsibility for whether it is sinful or not. The question is being asked because the questioner wants to know if he or she either goes to heaven or to hell if he or she does permanent birth control or sterilization. For one thing, he and his colleagues in the evangelical world, do not have clear teaching in contraception and birth control. They do not have any teaching at all on the matter.
I believe all contraception is a sin, but Natural Family Planning is not. Contraception works by stimulating the sexual process and then thwarting the God designed natural end of sex. Natural Family Planning on the other hand does not attempt to thwart and counteract the completion of the sexual act; thus it doesn't violate God's design for sex.
Ok, but part of the discussion is whether or not controlling birth in general is considered a sin if a couple has sex. By purposely having sex based on a woman's cycle in the hopes of avoiding pregnancy, then that is still a form of birth control no matter how you slice it. So what makes that not a sin compared to other forms of birth control in regards to scripture?
@@someone-ji2zb I don't think preventing births for a time (not forever) through NFP is a sin because abstinence is a normal state/function of the body. Sex with the possibility of conception is a normal state/function of the body. Contraception is an unnatural state/function of the body. The issue with contraception is that it renders the natural ends of sex as sterile. God provided a natural order and function, and to thwart that order goes against His design. Now, I can't provide you with explicit Scripture talking about contraception, but one can apply principles from general revelation and natural law to this issue. The Bible doesn't explicitly condemn pedophilia, but I am confident that pedophilia is a sin.
New International Version For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed! luke 23:29, This time is now for me, the world is a horrible place
Yes. In fact. We're talking about the same God who killed someone for pulling out. "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth." I don't believe He was saying that being fruitful and multiplying is something that should stop. (Coitus interruptus is also a sin.) It's also said to be a curse in apocryphal texts talking about the gospel of Mary, not to have kids, and I can see where that applies as a Calvinist, to decide not to have kids, and possibly makes you a murderer.
@@wetfart420 He was clearly killed because the covenant with Noah was more important than the covenant with Israel and that was seen as more important than Him.
@@kevinowenburress2435 no!!!! If you learn the Jewish laws and customs you would understand Women in those days had no way if supporting themselves. They were forced to marry and have children specifically male children. So if their husbands die that child will inherit . He intentionally tried to keep her from having a child which was "shamful" for one but it was keeping her from gaining inheritance and a secure future.
Sorry, I’m done listening to this channel. He clearly has no clue how contraceptive pills work. They do not cause abortion. Might be a good idea to look into that before telling people wrong information.
Most don't (like the one's that increase cervical fluid, or trick the body into thinking its pregnant), but he probably believes that plan b is abortion because it prevents a zygote from implanting on the womb.
Majority of them do by preventing a fertilized egg from staying in the uterus. Here he considers that killing a fertilized egg is abortion and I do too. When I was still in the world one day I needed a morning after pill. The doctor gave me 6 normal pills told me to take them 2 a day for the next 3 days and he told me it was the same effect than the morning after pill! I did and it worked! Till then I thought the pills just prevent conception!!
That’s not technically true. The pill can cause the uterus not a favorable to pregnancy....technically an abortion. There are doctors that can prescribe higher doses of OCPs that are used to cause a medical abortion. Plan B is one well know as the morning after pill or emergency birth control.
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I feel so much better now. I don't want to be married, I don't want children or any of that. I will happily remain single for the rest of my life and serve the Lord in my permanent singleness. And thank God for pets. They help alot with loneliness and depression.
Amen sister, I am the same as you. I have made a covenant of celibacy with my Savior.
*I love the way Pastor John approaches questions. I appreciate his way, he's just so passionate and eager but also very humble and not judgmental. I'm not married or dating , but man I gotta look into this more because this is a huge topic in knowing and following Jesus and in the future. Thanks John and staff. As always, I appreciate this series so much you don't even know, I listen to them sometimes on the way to school so I can get spiritually smarter before getting academically smarter* :)
@Jacob Rodriguez Unfortunately, the Catholic church does not teach the truth in many places.
Modern pleasure-loving man does not want to hear this word: Every intimate marital sexual union that has no possibility of producing a child is actually a form of sodomy. Sex for pleasure alone, no matter with whom and how it is performed is sodomy. This is also a shadow picture or type of a spiritual reality about our relationship of covenant marriage union with our Head, our King, our Messiah, if it does not result in a conception, form and birth Christ within your spiritual deep inner womb, it is either a virtual union or a union with a false christ, another spirit, thus it is a vain religion for thrills and an emotional high, just like having sex for a dopamine hit and not for reproduction.
My husband and I had three sons, my last one by 23. After experiencing a still born of a girl in between my sons, and high risk pregnancies with the others we decided that I were to have a tubal ligation done. We are in our thirty’s now and both have regret we had the procedure done. We have talked about having more kids and if we do it will require significant amount of money and me going under again to reverse it. I had set in my heart I didn’t want more kids at 23 but truly I hate that I can’t have another if we wanted. I know we lived on emotions, anger because we didn’t have a girl and not wisdom when making that decision. All actions contrary to the Lord.
Hi sister :)
Please consider this:
The reason birth control (including tubal ligation) is sinful has to do with God's design for sex.
God made sex for two purposes namely for procreative purposes and unitive purposes (meaning to deepen the love and bond between the spouses)
However one must never separate the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes because God never intended for the two to be separate. For every act in marriage to be chaste it must meet both the procreative and unitive purposes of sex.
Let's take IVF for example: it's procreative but it's not unitive because there is no sexual union which takes place between the spouses which bonds them together. Therefore it's not within God's will because it separates the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes.
Birth control does the opposite of IVF. The sexual union takes place but it's closed off to procreation thereby rendering the act sterile. So birth control separates the sexual union from it's procreative purposes.
Let's take BDSM as another example. It is possible for BDSM to be procreative but hitting, choking, tying up your spouse during sex does not bond you together so it's non unitive and therefore BDSM should also not be practiced in a Christian marriage because it also separates the procreative from the unitive.
Unnatural sexual acts are all non procreative and non unitive so it's not within God's design.
Not saying God wants us to conceive every time we have sex but we should at least be open to life resulting from that act so if it is impossible that a baby could result from the act you are doing or it's contraceptive then it's wrong.
You can look up natural family and use that instead of tubal litigation, condoms, birth control and artificial contraceptives.
God bless!
Modern pleasure-loving man does not want to hear this word: Every intimate marital sexual union that has no possibility of producing a child is actually a form of sodomy. Sex for pleasure alone, no matter with whom and how it is performed is sodomy. This is also a shadow picture or type of a spiritual reality about our relationship of covenant marriage union with our Head, our King, our Messiah, if it does not result in a conception, form and birth Christ within your spiritual deep inner womb, it is either a virtual union or a union with a false christ, another spirit, thus it is a vain religion for thrills and an emotional high, just like having sex for a dopamine hit and not for reproduction.
New subscriber here. This is an interesting channel and i appreciate it very much. Looking forward to hear more soon.
Why is anyone on earth asking this perverse hateful old man if they are allowed to have children? How did that happen? Wake up guys, you're smart and loved by God.
Listening to the video, what in the hell is he babbling about, none of this is about using birth control, he's talking about Paul...
So so gross, please see how sick and wrong this is.
I believe that the fact I’m even having this internal battle with myself as to whether or not to have kids (and erring on the side of not having them) could be a calling from God that having children isn’t the life He wants me to live. I’ve been fighting internally about this for a long time now and I wish I just had some peace of mind, so thank you Pastor John for those 5 points we need to consider before having children.
If you use birth control to facilitate fornication, it is sin. If you use it to avoid unplanned pregnancy, there isn’t a sin. The Roman Catholic prohibition is not based on the Bible.
Sex is one desire. Wanting offspring is another completely different desire.
To fulfill one of these desires without fulfilling the other desire is NOT a sin.
To create offspring without having the desire to create offspring is the real sin!
not entirely true though....
Please specifically clarify and justify your opinion @@orion7741.
Actually, @@orion7741, there is a 3rd desire: The desire to be a parent.
You must have both the desire to have offspring AND the desire to be a parent for creating offspring to be licit.
I don't know your religion or spirituality @@danilotte2, and so can't tell you what is a sin for you.
Religious organizations define your "sins."
Religious leaders sometimes practice what they preach, but many times consider themselves "above their laws."
To me, creating offspring without mutual desire and intent to both create offspring and become parents is the sin.
I consider using birth control when those two desires/intents are not present to be the appropriate spiritual action.
Permanent or temporary birth control is not a sin.
Genesis 2:18, "It is not good for man to be alone." What this means is that an angelic companion will be assigned to you in heaven if you are not in a committed relationship with someone.
Genesis 1:28 says to "Be fruitful and multiply." If you multiply without control that is NOT fruitful because there is only a certain amount of money so you can overpopulate your local economy.
Paul says? Paul? Paul does not make universal policy nor did he understand it.
Human free will is a priority of God or it would not be law.
Hes forgetting about Noah, in Genesis 9:1 being told also, "Be fruitful and multiply"... clearly after the fall. Scripture says if you can be single, be single, but not if you will be tempted to sin. (Sexual immorality) There are many verses about marriage and children, and the marriage covenant.
God was only referring to Noah in that context. Not in people in general.
2 And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive.
3 But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.
29 For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!'
@@hudsondunn8385 it's part of the covenant he gave to all mankind. Read the whole passage. He says it applies to Noah and all following generations.
@@hudsondunn8385 Prove it in scripture
I think it depends on your motivations behind doing it.
The Bible does encourage child bearing, but it doesn’t take against being child free. There is a scripture that says those who are unborn are blessed because they don’t have to experience an evil world filled with suffering. It’s selfish to drag a child into existence.
There is no Bible verse that says that in that context.
To be Christian, married and fertile means you are to enjoy sex and also procreate. It is God's desire, He is seeking Godly offspring from your union Malachi 2:15. Childfree is not an option unless you suffer from infertility or choose a life of singleness through celibacy. This new idea that suddenly you don't have to have children and can do " whatever" is not a teaching fo scripture,.
@@rachelscottspeaks80972 And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive.
3 But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.
29 For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!'
@@Android-ds9ie still doesn't say 'its selfish to bring a child into existence' that is what she meant by it doesn't say that in "that" context. Sometimes our own interpretation is read into biblical verses and we may sometimes interpret them incorrectly. However, I'm not saying I have all the answers. Guidance by the Holy Spirit is what we need.
No.... God celebrates new children being born and becoming new believers to end up in His kingdom.
I am not sure how any christian can take the "the world is too crappy" logic in regards to having kids or not. The world has ALWAYS been full of evil and turmoil. There has never not been a time in history where most of the planet's population wasn't suffering in some way.
"my wife and I have used various means" yea boi
Follow-up Question: what about refraining from conception due to failures as a parent, namely sinful failures... Yelling at kids, being impatient, speaking in unkind tones for some examples. What to do if a person is not capable of parenting in a godly nor mature christian way?
I just never knew that birth control pills could act as a means of abortion. Way back when I was first married, the birth control pill was described as preventing conception or keeps you from getting pregnant or keeps you from conceiving a baby. So in our minds it prevented fertilization. Well. That’s what happens when you don’t have internet and TV stations were pretty minimal too.
I’ve been struggling with this so much and this was such a blessing. Thank you Pastor John 🙏🏼
Hi brother/sister
Please consider this:
The reason birth control is sinful has to do with God's design for sex.
God made sex for two purposes namely for procreative purposes and unitive purposes (meaning to deepen the love and bond between the spouses)
However one must never separate the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes because God never intended for the two to be separate. For every act in marriage to be chaste it must meet both the procreative and unitive purposes of sex.
Let's take IVF for example: it's procreative but it's not unitive because there is no sexual union which takes place between the spouses which bonds them together. Therefore it's not within God's will because it separates the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes.
Birth control does the opposite of IVF. The sexual union takes place but it's closed off to procreation thereby rendering the act sterile. So birth control separates the sexual union from it's procreative purposes.
Let's take BDSM as another example. It is possible for BDSM to be procreative but hitting, choking, tying up your spouse during sex does not bond you together so it's non unitive and therefore BDSM should also not be practiced in a Christian marriage because it also separates the procreative from the unitive.
Unnatural sexual acts are all non procreative and non unitive so it's not within God's design.
Not saying God wants us to conceive every time we have sex but we should at least be open to life resulting from that act so if it is impossible that a baby could result from the act you are doing or it's contraceptive then it's wrong.
You can look up natural family and use that instead of condoms, birth control and artificial contraceptives.
God bless!
If is not good for a man to be single, then women do not want anything to do with me when they are seeking a prize trophey. There are reasons for family planning?", "Can I afford to have children?", "Is it something I want?" "Is it the right time?" "How many can I afford?" and these are logical questions that couples should asked them selves and you really do not have to have children to complete a marriage. There are economic reason to have children and there are economic reason not to have children. Children are a major responsibility and can be an economic stress. It should not be a religious obligation to procreate for the lord, that is between the married couple only.
My family decided on permanent birth control after pur 3rd..financially and at the high costs of our marriage we would have proceeded without. I do sometimes I think rather ask if we were too hasty. Having 3 has been really hard in every aspect. We physical don't have the space in our home for more children and thank God he has sustained us but we are not in a financial situation where we can buy a bigger house. Our marriage has been deeply effected by not being able to spend more time. I LOVE our kids but it's hard. I think God gives us wisdom to choose. I think if God wants me to have another PBC or not ill have another. Again tho it would be worth putting before God to ask where He stands. When we made this choice it was on the heels of a birth. I am wishy washy here. Best thing I can say is pray
Hi sister :)
Please consider this:
The reason birth control is sinful has to do with God's design for sex.
God made sex for two purposes namely for procreative purposes and unitive purposes (meaning to deepen the love and bond between the spouses)
However one must never separate the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes because God never intended for the two to be separate. For every act in marriage to be chaste it must meet both the procreative and unitive purposes of sex.
Let's take IVF for example: it's procreative but it's not unitive because there is no sexual union which takes place between the spouses which bonds them together. Therefore it's not within God's will because it separates the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes.
Birth control does the opposite of IVF. The sexual union takes place but it's closed off to procreation thereby rendering the act sterile. So birth control separates the sexual union from it's procreative purposes.
Let's take BDSM as another example. It is possible for BDSM to be procreative but hitting, choking, tying up your spouse during sex does not bond you together so it's non unitive and therefore BDSM should also not be practiced in a Christian marriage because it also separates the procreative from the unitive.
Unnatural sexual acts are all non procreative and non unitive so it's not within God's design.
Not saying God wants us to conceive every time we have sex but we should at least be open to life resulting from that act so if it is impossible that a baby could result from the act you are doing or it's contraceptive then it's wrong.
You can look up natural family and use that instead of condoms, birth control and artificial contraceptives.
God bless!
@@ABezuidenhout370 Hmm, not sure I fully agree with your take on this.
So is 'natural' birth control acceptable then? If not, then why do you draw this conclusion? There are also those people who simply cannot have kids; are they barred from having sex in the eyes of God? Why or why not?
God's design for sex was both for pleasure between a husband and wide and to procreate. It was not specifically state both go together or it is sin (granted, biblical principle can be applied to figure it out one way or the other), which is why this topic is so talked about in christian communities.
So is your take that no one at all should ever be on any form of birth control (natural or otherwise) what so ever, and that anyone who does so is sinning?
Going to have to respectfully disagree witg Dr Piper. Excellent Discussion however.
Thanks for the beautiful explanation Pastor John
I think once a married couple have a family and we are getting on in years I don't think there is an issue.. we don't need to multiply as we did in the beginning..
And you base your answer on which scripture?
ok... but who gave you authority to attempt to take control of God's will towards your family life??? If you truly serve Jesus, you will fully rely upon God and what his will is for your life, that includes how many children he wants for you. no matter how many children he wants for you, He will provide for every need!
@@orion7741 Again I ask what scripture do you base the idea that you have a choice?
i believe that we have no need, even if you are married, to have children. i am never going to get married and never have children, but i will always try to keep god at the center of my life. God bless you and your family
@@orion7741 are you married with children?
Humanae Vitae
Abortion is not birth control!
1 Timothy 2:15 ►
But women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety
1 Timothy 2:15 (ESV) Paul says,
15 Women, however, will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
Galatians 3:28 (NIV)
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
We are all one in Christ.
1 Timothy 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.
1 Timothy 5: 14-15 So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander. Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan.
For husbands and wives who need to deprive each other of physical intimacy we have this passage...
1 Corinthians 7:5 Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
Somebody else wrote this part, it wasn’t me…
First, as you remark, a natural reading of the word "saved" doesn't allow this passage to agree with the rest of Scriptures. So we should look at possible definitions. One possibility comes from 1 Timothy 4:16 above. It's plain from that verse that Paul does not think that in the final judgment Timothy's listeners will be saved on the basis of Timothy's careful watch of his own life and doctrine. Rather the idea is probably better seen in a place like 6:20-21: "Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith." Therefore, we might understand "save" as in the sense of "protect someone from wandering from the faith."
Second, then, we ask how does "childbearing" protect anyone from wandering from their faith? The phrase "to have children" in 1 Timothy 5:14 is the only other instance of this term in the New Testament. And here we see it alongside a couple other verbs: "marry" and "manage their homes." It's possible then that Paul's use of childbearing in 2:15 is a shorthand for this larger idea. In the passage in chapter 5, the young widows are in danger of bringing judgment on themselves by being idlers and gossips and busybodies. To protect them from this, Paul counsels that they marry, have children, and manage homes. This will keep Satan from getting a foothold in their lives.
We see a similar pattern in the 1 Corithians 7 passage. Paul is concerned that by depriving one another couples will give opportunity to Satan to tempt them towards sexual immorality. Paul therefore recommends that they come together as a married couple as a means of protection. Thus while we wouldn't say anyone is saved in the final judgment because they had regular intercourse with their spouse, people might be saved from the temptation to go after shrine prostitutes and their idols and so forsake the faith.
Similarly, childbearing is not what saves a woman in the final judgement. A woman is saved in the final judgment like anyone else (their is no Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male or female...): through faith. Yet in this life, childbearing is a gift to help save her from making shipwreck of that faith.
2 And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive.
3 But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.
29 For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!'
Read the text Paul is giving. It’s a preference. And before anyone says anything I do know that 1Corinthians is God breathed but that’s not to say that when Paul says things like “I have no command from the lord...” or “I wish...” that that is a command. It’s not.
Hi brother/ sister
Please consider this:
The reason birth control is sinful has to do with God's design for sex.
God made sex for two purposes namely for procreative purposes and unitive purposes (meaning to deepen the love and bond between the spouses)
However one must never separate the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes because God never intended for the two to be separate. For every act in marriage to be chaste it must meet both the procreative and unitive purposes of sex.
Let's take IVF for example: it's procreative but it's not unitive because there is no sexual union which takes place between the spouses which bonds them together. Therefore it's not within God's will because it separates the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes.
Birth control does the opposite of IVF. The sexual union takes place but it's closed off to procreation thereby rendering the act sterile. So birth control separates the sexual union from it's procreative purposes.
Let's take BDSM as another example. It is possible for BDSM to be procreative but hitting, choking, tying up your spouse during sex does not bond you together so it's non unitive and therefore BDSM should also not be practiced in a Christian marriage because it also separates the procreative from the unitive.
Unnatural sexual acts are all non procreative and non unitive so it's not within God's design.
Not saying God wants us to conceive every time we have sex but we should at least be open to life resulting from that act so if it is impossible that a baby could result from the act you are doing or it's contraceptive then it's wrong.
You can look up natural family and use that instead of condoms, birth control and artificial contraceptives.
God bless!
Within marriage it's not a preference God commands us to be fruitful and multiply. Paul is talking about people who choose to remain unmarried and in their case yes of course having children is not for them
Damn. At first this dude didn't make sense at first but eventually it made sense.
LoL
Dear pastor John I iam strugling with sensual sins and feel that Iiam hopeless and condemned I want to know if I have gone too far
Hey, if you still know that what your doing is wrong there is still a chance to turn the other way and depend on God to set you free.
I’m a father of three and my wife didn’t went through pregnancies very well and also every labour without doctors intervention would have been fatal for my wife and child potentially. After a third blessing doctor told us that if she’s going to be pregnant again she might not survive. What if then I decided that I don’t want her to put chemicals in her body and I’ll get vasectomy instead to make sure she won’t be pregnant again.Could that be a sin?
No
No, that is laying down your life for her. My husband is the same way
Before you get a vasectomy at least watch this 4 parts series to make sure you know what the Bible says. You can use other forms of birth control, it might be inconvenient but you don't have to mutilate your body for love. Watch all 4 videos, then PRAY. th-cam.com/video/bSAgHvETNSg/w-d-xo.html
Just wondering am in the same situation I have ha 3 c sections waiting for the fourth against drs orders basically putting my life at risk and vesectomy looks looks like it would save my life and marriage. What could we do? natural and artificial contraception is not working. Feeling frustrated I just don't want to die and am sure God isn't that cruel
Look into her having a bisalp ligation rather than u get a vasectomy
I'm glad I heard this. I can die if I got pregnant. I want to get my tubes tied but been told it is a sin if I got them tied. I don't want to ever get tempted to abort or harm the baby because I died. I'm glad he talked about it.
It is a sin. You kiling babys its an abomination against God. This man is a lie.
@@busycrazylifegettingfit.3745 But she hasn't had any babys! She has just said that if she did it would be dangerous for her and the baby if she did. I'm assuming there is a medical reason.
If I was her I would ask God for confirmation either way and personally for her.
If I had medical problems and God had already said that I should have a child, then I hope I would still trust him in that.
If not I would also ask for God's confirmation on that also.
I don't think she's trying to 'kill babys' but potentially she could be killing herself if she just follows everyone's advice! I think she should really pray about it!!
@@busycrazylifegettingfit.3745 having "your tubes tied" is NOT killing anybody, it is NOT abortion! how you can even think like that is disgusting.
what does singlessness have to do with kids and marriage
I didn't get that either
Not a sin but it kind of sucks that I have been denied of a sister because my parents had a vasectomy after I was born,I have two older brothers .I have always wanted a sister lol ,but my best friend is far better than a sister
You know that their are 2 genders?
Not necessary that the child would’ve been a girl.
No.
Excellent
11 minutes of dancing around the question and never answered. Is it sin or not?
1:16 ...
This is his style tho, with everything
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s Do you think he should answer, either Yes or No? He uses the words "Maybe, Maybe Not, Presumptuous", but not "Yes it is a sin" nor "No it is not." Whatever his style is, he needs to be clear. He answers the way he does because he does not want to take responsibility for whether it is sinful or not. The question is being asked because the questioner wants to know if he or she either goes to heaven or to hell if he or she does permanent birth control or sterilization. For one thing, he and his colleagues in the evangelical world, do not have clear teaching in contraception and birth control. They do not have any teaching at all on the matter.
Fincially it isn't feasible to have more then 2 children.But I never remarried and haven't had sex in 13 1/2 years nor masterbation for 5 years.
don't have sex if you don't want kids. Also, using contraception of any kind is a sin. But for example NFP is such a simple method, yet effective.
Don’t have sex if you don’t want kids? The Bible says that if you restrict yourself from having sex with your spouse, the devil will tempt you.
I believe all contraception is a sin, but Natural Family Planning is not. Contraception works by stimulating the sexual process and then thwarting the God designed natural end of sex. Natural Family Planning on the other hand does not attempt to thwart and counteract the completion of the sexual act; thus it doesn't violate God's design for sex.
Ok, but part of the discussion is whether or not controlling birth in general is considered a sin if a couple has sex.
By purposely having sex based on a woman's cycle in the hopes of avoiding pregnancy, then that is still a form of birth control no matter how you slice it. So what makes that not a sin compared to other forms of birth control in regards to scripture?
@@someone-ji2zb I don't think preventing births for a time (not forever) through NFP is a sin because abstinence is a normal state/function of the body. Sex with the possibility of conception is a normal state/function of the body. Contraception is an unnatural state/function of the body. The issue with contraception is that it renders the natural ends of sex as sterile. God provided a natural order and function, and to thwart that order goes against His design. Now, I can't provide you with explicit Scripture talking about contraception, but one can apply principles from general revelation and natural law to this issue.
The Bible doesn't explicitly condemn pedophilia, but I am confident that pedophilia is a sin.
You know some women use birth control due to medical reasons. And some women have permanent birth control because pregnancy can be harmful for them?
New International Version
For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed! luke 23:29, This time is now for me, the world is a horrible place
The world has been a horrible place sin the fall lol Trust me, it will not get any better.
@@darya1226 yes so everyone should stop procreating
interesting comments piper makes...!
I wish it was a sin because I always wanted a sister lol
this comment is lowkey so funny, but im sorry for laughing. but also 😂
It is a sin
Whe. You take birth control then you playing God.
These types of comments always make me sad. Children love siblings.
Aww, this makes me sad, I want to give my son a brother
This man is a lie he is stating hehis opinions.
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Yes. In fact. We're talking about the same God who killed someone for pulling out. "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth." I don't believe He was saying that being fruitful and multiplying is something that should stop. (Coitus interruptus is also a sin.) It's also said to be a curse in apocryphal texts talking about the gospel of Mary, not to have kids, and I can see where that applies as a Calvinist, to decide not to have kids, and possibly makes you a murderer.
Cause the earth was empty! It's not empty anymore more! I'm for sure not against having children. I don't just don't think you have to have 20 kids
@@wetfart420 He was clearly killed because the covenant with Noah was more important than the covenant with Israel and that was seen as more important than Him.
@@kevinowenburress2435 no!!!! If you learn the Jewish laws and customs you would understand
Women in those days had no way if supporting themselves. They were forced to marry and have children specifically male children. So if their husbands die that child will inherit .
He intentionally tried to keep her from having a child which was "shamful" for one but it was keeping her from gaining inheritance and a secure future.
Sorry, I’m done listening to this channel. He clearly has no clue how contraceptive pills work. They do not cause abortion. Might be a good idea to look into that before telling people wrong information.
Most don't (like the one's that increase cervical fluid, or trick the body into thinking its pregnant), but he probably believes that plan b is abortion because it prevents a zygote from implanting on the womb.
Majority of them do by preventing a fertilized egg from staying in the uterus. Here he considers that killing a fertilized egg is abortion and I do too. When I was still in the world one day I needed a morning after pill. The doctor gave me 6 normal pills told me to take them 2 a day for the next 3 days and he told me it was the same effect than the morning after pill! I did and it worked! Till then I thought the pills just prevent conception!!
That’s not technically true. The pill can cause the uterus not a favorable to pregnancy....technically an abortion. There are doctors that can prescribe higher doses of OCPs that are used to cause a medical abortion. Plan B is one well know as the morning after pill or emergency birth control.
@@kristinakane7968 that’s called a medical abortion....it’s an abortion.
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