Space Invaders: Atari Archive Episode 32

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  • @beedwarf
    @beedwarf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I appreciate the coverage of how the Atari house programmers overcame their limitations of the Atari 2600 hardware.
    Another great job! Keep going.

  • @d.vaughn8990
    @d.vaughn8990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I received an Atari, Space Invaders, and Asteroids, Christmas 1981. I played this over and over and over and over! I hopelessly fantasized that an arcade style cut scene might appear, if I cleared the board enough times. 😄

  • @beedwarf
    @beedwarf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The very first time I saw Taito's 'Space Invaders' was in the Spring of 1979 inside a small arcade within a shopping center at 5 Towns, Rockaway turnpike, Queens. I remember thinking, "Oh my gosh. They have eyes!"

  • @adamking6645
    @adamking6645 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Something you didn't mention is how Space Invaders was released with four different cart labels, each representing a segment in the 2600/VCS's lifespan. The plain text label representing the early days, the picture label on the black background from 1980-1982, the silver labels from 1892-1984 and the red label during the 2600jr revival of the late 1980s, in essence the 2600's lifespan.

    • @turbinegraphics16
      @turbinegraphics16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the silver labels are nice

    • @ReyndOut
      @ReyndOut 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes I remember playing space invaders in 1892

  • @Hologhoul
    @Hologhoul 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The variations were brilliant but I think the core game on its own, the quality of recreating the arcade experience was enough to nail it down as a classic. I recall an interview with someone from Atari, of that era, and he says when Rick Maurer first presented the finished (or near finished) game to his colleagues, they were open-mouthed amazed as technically what he's done wasn't thought remotely possible. I hope the guy is still aware of his influence and how well-regarded he is. Nice video, again!

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Since it was based on Breakout, and that game had several variations that didn't combine, like both steering and catch, maybe he wanted to cover all the bases. Of the hundred or so game variations, I don't think any start with the aliens on the bottom row to practice that wave. Unfortunately after Asteroids and Missile Command in 1981, Atari pretty much ended the idea of game variations, just having different levels of difficulty.

  • @BeyondTheScanlines
    @BeyondTheScanlines 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I really enjoyed this episode - the 2600 Space Invaders is one I've fond memories of (the sound in particular), and whilst it's not a version I play much of now, it's such an important one to celebrate.
    I do love that there's secrets, I'd never heard about the trick to get double shots, nor that one to advance through the various modes quicker. Even if it's a tad redundant now thanks to that amazing hack which allows you to set options from a menu screen.

  • @SameNameDifferentGame
    @SameNameDifferentGame 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The first videogame I have a clear memory of playing. Great look

  • @vonheer7418
    @vonheer7418 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a younger Atari owner, someone who was born after the system's lifespan, the biggest treat with the Space Invaders cart was its two player simultaneous play modes. Quite a rarity on the system for a shooter. Worm War 1 is another great two player shooter.

  • @JonnyD79
    @JonnyD79 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    FINALLY! I've been anticipating you getting to this one since it's pretty much one of the first home console games to get me into video games at the tender age of 5 back in 1984. I remember fondly playing this for hours while in the glow of my bedroom CRT with the lights off. Funny thing… I never knew about the two-shot glitch trick until just recently!

    • @AtariArchive
      @AtariArchive  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm trying to remember where I originally learned about the double shot trick. I think it may have been some random early 80s video game tips book my middle school library inexplicably still had on the shelves in the mid-90s?

    • @JonnyD79
      @JonnyD79 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@AtariArchive I kidd you not, I literally found out about that trick because some other guy uploaded one of those old How to Beat Home Videogames strategy videos from the 80s. As soon as I saw that I was like "Aww man! I could have really used that trick back in the day!" Oh well…

  • @AndrewAmbrose
    @AndrewAmbrose 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Another amazing video sir
    And kudos to you for correctly pronouncing “Xevious”

  • @teresapflaumer5717
    @teresapflaumer5717 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    To this day, I believe that Space Invaders, both arcade and Atari versions, is still a killer game to play.

  • @mikemayberry7121
    @mikemayberry7121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This game is still selling VCS consoles. Several years ago I bought an Atari Flashback system hoping to play the two player co-op, only to find the included version of the game was different from the original release and lacked the option. I had been meaning to get back into collecting 2600 again, but this was the catalyst. If I wanted to play two player co-op Space Invaders with my young nephew and show him the true Atari experience, a Flashback system just would not do.
    Excellent video! You always hit it out of the park with your excuse research and thoroughness. I really enjoy and appreciate this series.

    • @Hologhoul
      @Hologhoul 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And I recently bought a VCS (having owned one in the early 80s) and have grabbed a Space Invaders cartridge! I love Stella, but playing it on the real hardware feels so cool.

  • @beedwarf
    @beedwarf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There was another coin-op 'Space Invaders' clone out there I used to play in a local Queens, NY laundromat in '81 called 'Cosmic Guerilla' by Gremlin. The only location I ever saw this game; back in those days, there were not a lot of options to choose.

    • @beedwarf
      @beedwarf 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Correction: I just doubled checked my claim. Universal was the name of the company who also put out coin-op cabinets of the 'Mr. Do!' series in my neighborhood. Not all. Just one... the original 'Mr. Do!'

  • @mpmolyneaux
    @mpmolyneaux 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    More specifically, re the original arcade version, the game only updated the position of one Invader per frame, which is why the formation "ripples". The fewer Invaders there are, the sooner the game cycles back to each to update their position and the faster they go. :)

    • @beedwarf
      @beedwarf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Really liked that effect! The entire company of aliens slowly marching in formation producing that 'ripple' effect adds to illusion of the player facing overwhelming odds. Thought it fascinating that 'Part II' surprises the player when all of the aliens quickly marching onto the battlefield when the game begins; which was ironically a limitation of the hardware in the original 'Space Invaders'.

  • @nickmalcom6360
    @nickmalcom6360 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    fun fact: john newcomer, the designer of the unreleased handheld version, went on to design the arcade classic joust. (which, spoiler alert, will be the subject of an atari archive episode in a couple of years.)

  • @matthewwachter9070
    @matthewwachter9070 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really great (and timely) video. I just picked up an AV modded 2600 and this was the first game I popped in. True classic in every sense of the word. Thank you for this!

  • @k8track
    @k8track 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Outstanding, wonderful job. Very thoroughly researched as always. Love it and appreciate the care you put into these. I am curious, I wanted to ask about the different-sized screen captures. Sometimes it was normal sized, and then other times it was much smaller. I noticed that, on the larger (normal) sized captures, both the player's and aliens' laser fire would not be visible at times. Did this have something to do with it? Once again, just a stellar piece of archiving.

    • @AtariArchive
      @AtariArchive  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      So the game itself uses flickering on the bullets that, if viewed at 60 fps, isn't too noticeable but gets very funky if you watch it at a lower framerate. I'm not entirely sure why the different pieces of footage may be showing the bullets differently, but it may be related to the issues I had with a piece of raw video and getting it to render correctly. That's why those clips have different sizes, too - I spent two evenings trying to get it to work right!

  • @JordanHJ
    @JordanHJ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Another interesting video. Well done!

  • @jasonhochstein3349
    @jasonhochstein3349 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Amazing work. Thanks for putting in the work to research the topics so intensely. I’m heading over to sign up on Patreon.

  • @ShamrockParticle
    @ShamrockParticle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The research behind thrse games is extensive and true professionalism in the video creation are first rate. Thank you much!

  • @matthewlane518
    @matthewlane518 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I never knew about the double shot trick! I played this game for years!

  • @OneSwitch
    @OneSwitch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Brilliant. Not just Americans. Europeans too. My first console was the Atari VCS Ingersoll bundle with Combat and Space Invaders. We had Space Invaders competitions over here too in the UK. Loved that game, and I still miss the amount of variations these games had compared to the modern era. And that plug it in, turn it on, and play immediacy.

    • @AtariArchive
      @AtariArchive  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh yeah! While I was researching I found coverage in some British newspapers on the archive services I use - couldn't think of a good way to work them into the script I had but it was absolutely a huge hit there too.

  • @PandaMoniumReviews
    @PandaMoniumReviews 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Checking out your channel on Joe's recommendation and it is damn good. :) Thank you for the deep research and hard work.

  • @speedbird737
    @speedbird737 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    fantastic video - v informative and what happy memories - I did wonder if you would miss the double firing trick but its all here - thank you so much!

  • @Phediuk
    @Phediuk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You have outdone yourself with this episode. Superb work.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I figured this would be a bigger episode as it is a landmark for Atari, coin-op games and the home video market. Also I expected to see it end with the Space Invaders landing. THOOM. But he never showed that bit.

  • @sandal_thong8631
    @sandal_thong8631 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That guy at Warner who told Atari CEO to get the Space Invader rights "no matter what" was the man of the hour. If Mattel got them for Intellivision (or Magnavox for Odyssey²) then that system would have sold in 1980, and not have been left behind. Atari would still be in it as they had an arcade division and could port their own titles. (I just saw the 1981 ad saying their competitors don't make Asteroids, Missile Command or Warlords).
    The idea that some would want "original" games made me think, "like what?" After watching the previous 31 episodes, nearly all games had an arcade version or a predecessor on computer, which seems like successful market testing. When I watched the one on Human Cannonball I learned it was based on Artillery Duel, but they didn't port that coin-op game! Rather they changed it to a one-player game that seemed less-interesting to me, but could have been a fair game variation, not an entire cart.
    Though Space Invaders would catapult Atari to market dominance, there was something wrong there. It seems bizarre that at first Atari personnel wouldn't be interested in the hottest arcade game. Just as Rick Mauer got a pathetic bonus for making the game of the year, they had just lost their top 4 programmers. I hope to hear more about it when the reviews of Activision titles come along. There may also be a story about programmers at their arcade division getting more respect.

  • @matthewlane518
    @matthewlane518 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He did great, this was a great port!

  • @verficationaccount
    @verficationaccount 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It´s fun to snoop around your sources (when you display them on screen and google is able to find them) - but it would be awesome to have a few links in the description, too... I couldn´t find the issue of "video magazine" for example. But other than that: great work as usual!

    • @AtariArchive
      @AtariArchive  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Outside of the Arcade Alley columns, I don't think there are any Video scans online, unfortunately (though if you google those they should come up), but many of my magazine scans come from searching the Internet Archive. Newspaper clips come from those searchable newspaper archive websites; Merchandising and Weekly TV Digest aren't scanned in, but physical copies exist in libraries and archives (I photographed the Merchandising clips myself and other researchers provided me with the WTD stuff). I do like the idea of better indicating my sources though - I'll have to figure out best how I want to do that.

  • @TheRbushey1
    @TheRbushey1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My. First game on the 2600 in 1980 combat came with it then asteroids and missile command loved them

  • @marccaselle8108
    @marccaselle8108 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This version of space invaders was at every used video game store in the 90s. I remember way back then, you could buy space invaders loose for a dollar lol.
    Also the Atari 2600 space invaders was never included in any of the Atari flashback consoles.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He said there were licensing issues. I guess after all the clones they decided to exercise what rights they did have, and these flashbacks don't want to pay.

    • @Austin-gj7zj
      @Austin-gj7zj ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I bought this game loose in 2023 for $3 so I don't think the value has crept up much lol

    • @marccaselle8108
      @marccaselle8108 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Austin-gj7zj lol

  • @blackblob500
    @blackblob500 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Something that's possible is that securing a Japanese release of the 2600 from Epoch played a factor in the executive interest in Space Invaders. Per this shmuplations interview excerpt at
    shmuplations.com/epoch/
    Masayuki Horie (A designer/supervisor at Epoch): "The VCS Invaders game wasn’t part of the original Atari console; it was made at our request. The fact that a big American company like Atari listened to our request like that was, in and of itself, groundbreaking. I was amazed, and when the chip arrived in my hand, it was a very moving moment for me."

  • @absolutezeronow7928
    @absolutezeronow7928 ปีที่แล้ว

    Space Invaders: the Heiankyo Alien of Atari games. (And as mentioned, an influence on Xevious). Epoch's Big Vader is an intriguing Space Invaders clone.

  • @EugenioAngueira
    @EugenioAngueira 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Atari 2600's killer app!

  • @RT55J
    @RT55J 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    excellent video

  • @allenhuffman
    @allenhuffman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We found the double shot reset thing by accident. I wondered if it was in the manual somewhere that I never read ;)

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think I might have found it by turning it on too, as I wouldn't have read it in 1980 and don't know who would have told me.

  • @allwaizeright9705
    @allwaizeright9705 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I discovered a "hack" as it were - at the time I'm not sure if anyone else found this - but if you "jiggled" the power on the VCS and then started the game - I could get the ship to fire double shots.

  • @Swybryd-Nation
    @Swybryd-Nation 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In American English “Maurer” is typically pronounced so as to rhyme with ‘power’. Unless R. Maurer is from the UK you might consider fixing it. Great great job though. Thanks for doing this series.

  • @sharkofjoy
    @sharkofjoy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    ACK NO why do you keep finding reasons to show that epileptic-at-a-rave Superman footage?!
    Loved the depth of this video. The sounds of the descending aliens hits primordial notes in my brain.
    That pepsi invaders, though. That's special.

  • @alexxbaudwhyn7572
    @alexxbaudwhyn7572 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Summer, 1980
    You, your girl, a 2600 and Space Invaders cart
    You had to be there

  • @adventurebloc
    @adventurebloc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I find the claim the [arcade] processor being slowed by drawing the initial alien phalanx; then speeding up as the mass is whittled down to be dubious. The player’s laser cannon and the UFO movements (and the shots themselves) are never slowed. I would think all objects would be affected if processing time was taxed so badly. I believe this “feature” is instead a product of careful code and design, masterfully implemented by Nishikado.

    • @AtariArchive
      @AtariArchive  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nishikado has said as much in interviews, including this one with Retro Gamer: archive.org/stream/retro_gamer/RetroGamer_003#page/34/mode/2up
      For my part I got it out of a translation another game history researcher provided from his Japanese memoir.

  • @provisionalhypothesis
    @provisionalhypothesis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    y'all ever play the 7800 version of space invaders ? now that's my jam

  • @sharkofjoy
    @sharkofjoy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    19:06 I cheered out loud!

  • @goldenphonautogram6141
    @goldenphonautogram6141 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The dislike is from the invaders.

  • @bartonlynch
    @bartonlynch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I know it's impossible to cover all the clones at the time, but it would have been nice to see 'SPACE QUARKS' here (from Broderbund Software) for the Apple II. A fun take on the formula.
    Here: th-cam.com/video/3ey6xD-QOmI/w-d-xo.html

    • @jeffkaczmarek3577
      @jeffkaczmarek3577 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had Space Quarks and Space Invaders on the 2600 but my 6 year old brain never made the connection. I've been trying to track down a Centipede clone we had for the Apple II back then, I remember having a revolver instead of an archer, it was set in a graveyard and had tombstones instead of mushrooms. You wouldn't happen to know the name of that game, would you? Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to offer.

  • @sandal_thong8631
    @sandal_thong8631 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Blue Atari Logbook challenge: play game 8 (invisible invaders) with difficulty on B.
    Pro (Alien Eliminator): 4500
    Master (Alien Exterminator): 6700
    Wizard (Alien Annihilator): 9000
    I didn't get the Logbook until mid 1982, and was no longer as good at the game as when I got it. I didn't think to write down scores at age 10. Still when I tried it again in the 1990s I jumped Pro and made Master with 7150.
    I'm thinking I got an Atari with several games for Christmas 1979, then got to pick Space Invaders and Dodge 'Em at the store for my birthday in 1980, just after the former came out. Unfortunately, Mom only remembers one game and that I broke a joystick or two.

  • @Applecompuser
    @Applecompuser 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great game.

  • @mr.pavone9719
    @mr.pavone9719 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's so frustrating that people in an industry seem to know so little about how popular some things are. Space Invaders is a great example of this. The people were pumping quarters into the machines but programmers weren't talking about the game?
    Come on guys, get out of the lab and off the internet. Go find out what real people think of your games!

  • @3vi1J
    @3vi1J 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How long has it been since you played Atari 2600 Space Invaders? Errr.... one week? i.imgur.com/pG1kARq.jpg