The black album is what got me into their previous stuff when I was an early teenager. I still like it. Even if it was the beginning of their going mainstream, It made them WAAAAY bigger than they were. People like me never listened to anything after the black album but stuck with the earlier stuff.
People were accusing Metallica for going "mainstream" for years and got mad when they made their first music video with One from AJFA. For an album being a "debacle" (the black album), it has sold over 30 million records worldwide. This video is rubbish.
I once read in an article, a guitar magazine in the 1990's. Phil Collen said that the solo in Lucretia sounded "busy" to him. He said that he prefers Metallica because their music can "breathe". Screw Phil Collen.
I remember 3 friends driving an hour and a half to buy this album in Tucson. A friend got it and I got Pantera's Vulgar Display Of Power. We drove back and put in the Black Album. Enter Sandman, ok, but the rest of the album was lite wth? Maybe Holier Than Thou was remotely close to their sound. My friend told me to give him my tape/cd? Don't remember. We listened to that all the way back instead.
You got the better album with Pantera but the black album was still classic Metallica,slower but heavy as hell like Sabbath on steroids.everything after the black album sucks.sad but true is the heaviest song on there and is so easy and fun to play on guitar
@@DEFKONSIXTYSIXlml Exactly my point. There were songs on that album about nuclear war, death by electrocution, un-aliving yourself, the tenth plague in Egypt, and a fictional monster. Yet because a major label signed them some fans said "HUR DUR SELLOUTS". Cliff famously referenced this in an interview that's on the Cliff 'Em All video when they were called sellouts again in 1986: "We do what we wanna do. If they consider that selling out...then whatever." The point is, some people have been calling Metallica sellouts for decades. This is nothing new.
I had a similar thought a few years ago that the black album killed metal production. Every guitar tone, bass tone, drum sound has sounded the same since 1991. I miss the uniqueness that metal album production used to have. Pro tools has only made it worse
Absolutely there was a fever pitch demand for high fidelity CD quality level of production that would fit every air pocket available in the end result but that was just a misguided futurology hype that most people in the industry couldn't fathom the intricacies of it and just went full blind worship of the promise of sales solely based on production values
It was funny at the time to see people who used to crap on me verbally for liking Metallica's four albums before the Black Album turning into "fans" once that album sold big. I had a love/hate relationship with TBA not long after it dropped, loved the production value but found the songs lacking given their older material. Those guys (Metallica) fully embraced the rock star mentality afterwards too, which was a bit on the nose too. Flew in the face of what they established to sell a ton of records commercially, which they probably could have done by sticking to their Thrash roots. Most groups had to have a hit single or album to survive, so losing their old sound was a necessity for commercial "success". Excuse the half-awake rant, I've even lost myself here.
@@t_bone12571 Yeah I can relate to the Love/Hate paradox with this album. Now there's simply no love for it at all. It's just shallow and embarassing at this point! Thanks for the comment \m/
from a more objective standpoint its not a very good album because of the effects it had. but i personally enjoy almost every song on it so ill continue to like it
Your first like is from your favorite opponent and (semi) collaborator, Jason! 😜 I would have loved it if TH-cam allowed for loving videos and not just comments. Really good job: I'm impressed you threw this together so quick. Ironically, save for us having different opinions on the Black Album, I agree with at least 75% of what you said in the video. And for the record, I was throwing shade at post Steve Clark Def Leppard. In the same way I've defended the Black Album, I've defended Hysteria to many a pitchfork-wielding metalhead. Sure, it's nowhere near as good as the first three Def Lep albums, but it's a solid and innovative pop rock album (almost mirrors what I had to say about the Black Album, huh?). I appreciate your sense of humor and passion for music (another area where we are very much aligned). Plus, you have convinced me that Lars was madly in love with Axl and selling out was all a ploy to get closer to him. It's kind of a beautiful story when you think about it.😍 I also enjoy the Mofos of Metal group: it's a gonzo and freaky scene and that's what a rock 'n' roll hangout should be like (although I'm keeping an eye on a few of those kids in the trench coats). Rock on, brother. PS - Where can I get a plush "Don't Tread on Me" snake? It's adorable...!! 🐍
haha thanks man, you know then that the truth is often banned and riled against! thanks for inspiring me to deal out the Justice and reality of the greed of man! Greed shapes and inflicts harm upon the free spirit of man that just wants to innovate and create genuine art!! if there is no GREED there is no need for Gatekeeping! Just my 3 cents! Keep on Rocking! \m/
Black Album is a great Rock album, but it is definitely not a Thrash album or anything even near the same vibe as MegaDave's song writing on Kill 'Em All or as either the Ride The Lightning or Master Of Puppets classics with undeniable Cliff Burton influence on song composition. ...And Justice For All was alright, favorite track Eye Of The Beholder, but for they screwed over Jason Newsted in mixing production by lowering bass levels. The Metallica Black album was a big disappointment onmy first hearing and listening to it in the car on the ride home from Dr. Disc Record Store in Windsor, Ontario, Canada.
I feel like people who crap on the black album only do so to be seen as "true Metallica fans." It isn't thrash, but it's still a great metal album packed with bangers. Their following albums are more what I'd call selling out
@@abfkwbdkdmggfilw-uv5bn nothing to do with feeling superior. The album was ok to listen to initially but then it became apparent that is was too simple, dumbed down for mass consumption. This is why I'm not a fan of most radio rock bands like Nickelback, Creed, Disturbed, Godsmack etc etc Metallica went from giving us real meaty technical and poetic orchestrated metal to 4x4 shallow candy rock. They were never known to do such basic mainstream before that. We had no warning... To us that lived at a time when they were kings of Thrash it was all very odd and unexpected. They never recovered that genuine unique ability after 1991 so it's a tragic loss for those of us that were fanatics
@@DEFKONSIXTYSIXlml I do see your point given their attitude in the beginning was a passionate "fuck mainstream music." Also I'm a gen Z, so I guess it would be a lot more disappointing actually living through their departure from thrash. I just don't think it's a bad album
@@abfkwbdkdmggfilw-uv5bn I lived it and I wasn't disappointed. As Metallica got older, I got older. I didn't want Metallica to make the same album over and over again. Everyone from Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd ALL changed the type of music they made and were successful because of it. It is also hilarious that someone would put Metallica in the same sentence as Nickelback, Creed, Godsmack and the Disturbed.
Bob Rock didn't kill metal in 1990. Grunge killed metal for a good ten plus years, but the old masters brought it back. But sadly very few decent new bands were coming through compared to the 80s. Metallica metallica was a great album. Over polished and over produced yes but still sounds fucking great! I've been on the hate the Post And Justice for all Metallica bandwagon before and as a kid it sucked!! Then load and re load were even worse at the time. But now 30 years on I love those albums for what they are. Different. And listen Metallica could still always play Puppets and Harvester of Sorrow or Seak and Destroy live and still fast as fuck. Proving they could still thrash they just decided not to until Death Magnetic. The Black Album and the Loads were good. Nowhere near as good as And Justice for all, Puppets and all before. Now if we're gonna hate on the Tally's then St Anger and Lulu were and still are dog shite! Just thank god in heaven that through all this crap one band remained the same through good and bad times the mighty Steve Harris and Iron Maiden kept us all sane. As you were.
@@craigsibson6541 you didn't pay attention to the video. Bob Rock oversaturated all his recordings making a trend of over polished crapola and thus the Grunge bands came in with a less overpolished and raw sound
@@DEFKONSIXTYSIXlml I think not having a core person would be anyones downfall almost, but even then it wasn't. They made another great alum after he passed and then they moved on,sadly. We did get Nothing Else matters though maybe one of their best pieces.
@BravoVince-z4r i mean the first four albums were special but they made their master piece master of puppets and then even made many good songs on and justice after and nothing else maters was the real deal. What more did they have to prove. Even without cliff they slayed, they are the bets ever, let them be the best ever in peace I say.
@@DEFKONSIXTYSIXlml Making an album that sold 30 million worldwide and selling out world tours for decades after is some "downfall". Any new band NOW would yearn for that kind of downfall, yet none can even come remotely close.
Wo listen too the songs after Nothing else Matters ow on the album tell u Black Album don't give a f what yous say ow 33 years later ahe the snake the band was creeping round the world that's all dressed in Black hidden behind the stars mm
Thank you thank you thank you!!! The Black Album was terrible, but I disagree that it killed metal. It killed Metallica, at least for fans that loved this band in the 80's, but it didn't kill metal. I just moved on to heavier and better bands after that. So as much as I loved Metallica before 1991, after that they became irrelevant. So what.
@@stevelamonica2297 Haha you're welcomed! And while they may have not killed it off completely they certainly brought the real estate value down significantly and the awfulness of Numetal took over the 'metal' mainstream!
So your one opinion of the black album outweighs the tens of millions of fans of the album? You do realize people experience growth and maturity as they age and this affects them artistically. Your mostly trolling for views so I don't want to give you too much of my time but you should know your arguments will not sway the opinions of anybody who doesn't already agree with you.
Metallicas first five albums were masterpieces,everything after sucked.everyone rags on the black album but it was slower than usual but it was heavy as hell like black sabbath on steroids
The black album is what got me into their previous stuff when I was an early teenager. I still like it.
Even if it was the beginning of their going mainstream, It made them WAAAAY bigger than they were.
People like me never listened to anything after the black album but stuck with the earlier stuff.
People were accusing Metallica for going "mainstream" for years and got mad when they made their first music video with One from AJFA. For an album being a "debacle" (the black album), it has sold over 30 million records worldwide. This video is rubbish.
After 5 and a half minutes of rambling without making a single point, I gave up.
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I lasted 9 seconds. I'm not listening to someone's distorted mic.
"Stripping them of their essence" sounds exactly like what Mutt Lange did with AC/DC as well.
Apart from the Mustaine part, I'm glad someone said these.
Everything being done today is because of Elvis and The Beatles.
@@JJvienneau small beginnings are a thing yes
I once read in an article, a guitar magazine in the 1990's.
Phil Collen said that the solo in Lucretia sounded "busy" to him. He said that he prefers Metallica because their music can "breathe".
Screw Phil Collen.
@@DudeGuy-gp9kg Haha yeah he's a pop fan and a very limited guitarist that couldn't save Def Leppard after Clarke died!
I remember 3 friends driving an hour and a half to buy this album in Tucson. A friend got it and I got Pantera's Vulgar Display Of Power. We drove back and put in the Black Album. Enter Sandman, ok, but the rest of the album was lite wth? Maybe Holier Than Thou was remotely close to their sound. My friend told me to give him my tape/cd? Don't remember. We listened to that all the way back instead.
You definitely had the upper hand there bud!
You got the better album with Pantera but the black album was still classic Metallica,slower but heavy as hell like Sabbath on steroids.everything after the black album sucks.sad but true is the heaviest song on there and is so easy and fun to play on guitar
Fans in 1984 accused them of selling out when they signed with Elektra *shrug*.
@@mickeyd8768 they didn't sing a song about a Sandman then tho
@@DEFKONSIXTYSIXlml Exactly my point. There were songs on that album about nuclear war, death by electrocution, un-aliving yourself, the tenth plague in Egypt, and a fictional monster. Yet because a major label signed them some fans said "HUR DUR SELLOUTS".
Cliff famously referenced this in an interview that's on the Cliff 'Em All video when they were called sellouts again in 1986:
"We do what we wanna do. If they consider that selling out...then whatever."
The point is, some people have been calling Metallica sellouts for decades. This is nothing new.
they probably gained more new fans then they lost tbh.
that's not the point
@@jamesmassingale8512 Eh....name one very successful band that never changed their style of music?
Ramones and Motörhead and this question is idiotic.
Tell us you are biased without saying it
I had a similar thought a few years ago that the black album killed metal production. Every guitar tone, bass tone, drum sound has sounded the same since 1991.
I miss the uniqueness that metal album production used to have. Pro tools has only made it worse
Absolutely there was a fever pitch demand for high fidelity CD quality level of production that would fit every air pocket available in the end result but that was just a misguided futurology hype that most people in the industry couldn't fathom the intricacies of it and just went full blind worship of the promise of sales solely based on production values
It was funny at the time to see people who used to crap on me verbally for liking Metallica's four albums before the Black Album turning into "fans" once that album sold big. I had a love/hate relationship with TBA not long after it dropped, loved the production value but found the songs lacking given their older material. Those guys (Metallica) fully embraced the rock star mentality afterwards too, which was a bit on the nose too. Flew in the face of what they established to sell a ton of records commercially, which they probably could have done by sticking to their Thrash roots. Most groups had to have a hit single or album to survive, so losing their old sound was a necessity for commercial "success". Excuse the half-awake rant, I've even lost myself here.
@@t_bone12571 Yeah I can relate to the Love/Hate paradox with this album. Now there's simply no love for it at all. It's just shallow and embarassing at this point! Thanks for the comment \m/
from a more objective standpoint its not a very good album because of the effects it had. but i personally enjoy almost every song on it so ill continue to like it
Your first like is from your favorite opponent and (semi) collaborator, Jason! 😜 I would have loved it if TH-cam allowed for loving videos and not just comments. Really good job: I'm impressed you threw this together so quick. Ironically, save for us having different opinions on the Black Album, I agree with at least 75% of what you said in the video. And for the record, I was throwing shade at post Steve Clark Def Leppard. In the same way I've defended the Black Album, I've defended Hysteria to many a pitchfork-wielding metalhead. Sure, it's nowhere near as good as the first three Def Lep albums, but it's a solid and innovative pop rock album (almost mirrors what I had to say about the Black Album, huh?). I appreciate your sense of humor and passion for music (another area where we are very much aligned). Plus, you have convinced me that Lars was madly in love with Axl and selling out was all a ploy to get closer to him. It's kind of a beautiful story when you think about it.😍 I also enjoy the Mofos of Metal group: it's a gonzo and freaky scene and that's what a rock 'n' roll hangout should be like (although I'm keeping an eye on a few of those kids in the trench coats). Rock on, brother. PS - Where can I get a plush "Don't Tread on Me" snake? It's adorable...!! 🐍
Sweet Jesus what I stumble into?!?😳😅
@@jamesgwarrior1981 😅😅😅😅
haha thanks man, you know then that the truth is often banned and riled against! thanks for inspiring me to deal out the Justice and reality of the greed of man! Greed shapes and inflicts harm upon the free spirit of man that just wants to innovate and create genuine art!! if there is no GREED there is no need for Gatekeeping! Just my 3 cents! Keep on Rocking! \m/
Ok fanatic, i dont care about your opinion.
What about Load?
Bro forgot to listen to The Unforgiven, Enter Sandman, Wherever I May Roam, Nothing Else Matters 💀💀💀
Also Sad but True.
St Anger too because fuck you the drums are perfect.
Black Album is a great Rock album, but it is definitely not a Thrash album or anything even near the same vibe as MegaDave's song writing on Kill 'Em All or as either the Ride The Lightning or Master Of Puppets classics with undeniable Cliff Burton influence on song composition. ...And Justice For All was alright, favorite track Eye Of The Beholder, but for they screwed over Jason Newsted in mixing production by lowering bass levels. The Metallica Black album was a big disappointment onmy first hearing and listening to it in the car on the ride home from Dr. Disc Record Store in Windsor, Ontario, Canada.
@@TroySaccary Its a heavy metal album, not a thrash metal album. Load and Reload are rock albums.
@MattyIcecubes The Black album overproduced rock album filled with ballads too.
@MattyIcecubes Load and Reload are simply garbage. Oh, I forgot to mention how shitty St. Anger was too.
I feel like people who crap on the black album only do so to be seen as "true Metallica fans." It isn't thrash, but it's still a great metal album packed with bangers. Their following albums are more what I'd call selling out
@@abfkwbdkdmggfilw-uv5bn nothing to do with feeling superior. The album was ok to listen to initially but then it became apparent that is was too simple, dumbed down for mass consumption. This is why I'm not a fan of most radio rock bands like Nickelback, Creed, Disturbed, Godsmack etc etc Metallica went from giving us real meaty technical and poetic orchestrated metal to 4x4 shallow candy rock. They were never known to do such basic mainstream before that. We had no warning... To us that lived at a time when they were kings of Thrash it was all very odd and unexpected. They never recovered that genuine unique ability after 1991 so it's a tragic loss for those of us that were fanatics
@@DEFKONSIXTYSIXlml I do see your point given their attitude in the beginning was a passionate "fuck mainstream music." Also I'm a gen Z, so I guess it would be a lot more disappointing actually living through their departure from thrash. I just don't think it's a bad album
@@abfkwbdkdmggfilw-uv5bn I lived it and I wasn't disappointed. As Metallica got older, I got older. I didn't want Metallica to make the same album over and over again. Everyone from Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd ALL changed the type of music they made and were successful because of it. It is also hilarious that someone would put Metallica in the same sentence as Nickelback, Creed, Godsmack and the Disturbed.
Bob Rock didn't kill metal in 1990. Grunge killed metal for a good ten plus years, but the old masters brought it back. But sadly very few decent new bands were coming through compared to the 80s.
Metallica metallica was a great album. Over polished and over produced yes but still sounds fucking great! I've been on the hate the Post And Justice for all Metallica bandwagon before and as a kid it sucked!! Then load and re load were even worse at the time. But now 30 years on I love those albums for what they are. Different. And listen Metallica could still always play Puppets and Harvester of Sorrow or Seak and Destroy live and still fast as fuck. Proving they could still thrash they just decided not to until Death Magnetic. The Black Album and the Loads were good. Nowhere near as good as And Justice for all, Puppets and all before. Now if we're gonna hate on the Tally's then St Anger and Lulu were and still are dog shite! Just thank god in heaven that through all this crap one band remained the same through good and bad times the mighty Steve Harris and Iron Maiden kept us all sane. As you were.
@@craigsibson6541 you didn't pay attention to the video. Bob Rock oversaturated all his recordings making a trend of over polished crapola and thus the Grunge bands came in with a less overpolished and raw sound
Lulu is actually a masterpiece in retrospect. Forget it is Metallica while listening to it and just know it is supposed to be an "art record".
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They prolly just moved on like all people do after Cliff died.
@@truthcantbesilenced4533 no choice but it certainly was their downfall. He was their true leader
@@DEFKONSIXTYSIXlml I think not having a core person would be anyones downfall almost, but even then it wasn't. They made another great alum after he passed and then they moved on,sadly. We did get Nothing Else matters though maybe one of their best pieces.
He was never there leader
@BravoVince-z4r i mean the first four albums were special but they made their master piece master of puppets and then even made many good songs on and justice after and nothing else maters was the real deal. What more did they have to prove. Even without cliff they slayed, they are the bets ever, let them be the best ever in peace I say.
@@DEFKONSIXTYSIXlml Making an album that sold 30 million worldwide and selling out world tours for decades after is some "downfall". Any new band NOW would yearn for that kind of downfall, yet none can even come remotely close.
Wo listen too the songs after Nothing else Matters ow on the album tell u Black Album don't give a f what yous say ow 33 years later ahe the snake the band was creeping round the world that's all dressed in Black hidden behind the stars mm
Just a random idea, if you’re going to talk about something/anything, maybe you should have a point!
@@ChrisAnderson-co2og the point is you suck cuz you like commercial drivel
Thank you thank you thank you!!! The Black Album was terrible, but I disagree that it killed metal. It killed Metallica, at least for fans that loved this band in the 80's, but it didn't kill metal. I just moved on to heavier and better bands after that. So as much as I loved Metallica before 1991, after that they became irrelevant. So what.
@@stevelamonica2297 Haha you're welcomed! And while they may have not killed it off completely they certainly brought the real estate value down significantly and the awfulness of Numetal took over the 'metal' mainstream!
So your one opinion of the black album outweighs the tens of millions of fans of the album? You do realize people experience growth and maturity as they age and this affects them artistically. Your mostly trolling for views so I don't want to give you too much of my time but you should know your arguments will not sway the opinions of anybody who doesn't already agree with you.
Metallicas first five albums were masterpieces,everything after sucked.everyone rags on the black album but it was slower than usual but it was heavy as hell like black sabbath on steroids
@@dagony7383 So you like Nickelback & Disturbed 😳
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