To the girl that put her hands on her roommate to rub oils without her consent : MA'AM THAT'S ASSAULT. She has the patience of a saint, had it been me she would've caught these hands lol
Unfortunately Mormons are notoriously not taught a lot about consent. They're also targets for MLMs because they're already pre-disposed to brain-washing.
Can my cat and I join? 😂 My kitty Jiji LOOOVES the Zeke noises, he purrs and kneads his paws in the air/blankets depending on how he’s lounging, it’s so cute 😭😭😭
@@Alyse_bell "oxygen rich" usually means that there's a high degree of O2 dissolved in the water (that's what fish breathe), but could technically mean that the water is acidic (higher presence of OH- molecules) or that the water molecules themselves contain oxygen. "Molecule bound oxygen" literally only means that the water molecules contain oxygen.
All these fancy waters with the extra ionization and whatever else, just make me roll my eyes. I used to drink water from the hose (granted I know why it's not recommended anymore) and I'm still alive and well. 90's kids are just built different I guess lol 🤣
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Doterra girl in story 2 has a mom who did exactly that to her while growing up - giving her EOs to stop or change behaviors that she didn’t like. I’ve noticed this is a common thing that EO moms do, and in particular I’ve seen many “autism moms” do this with their autistic kid. If the girl was so bold to just apply EOs to someone else, she must have been raised to think that this is the way to do things.
Ohhh! That makes so much sense! And not to diagnose her or anything, but her maybe being on the spectrum could explain why she has some of those behaviors! She may really not understand that how she's acting is wrong. Sooo much sense now!
@@kerryconklin9828 Yes, if it's not a diagnosable condition then it's just entitlement or poor nurturing. I grew up in a big family, there wasn't such thing as personal space/bubbles etc. But something like this would get you shoved off the bed, smacked or other siblings ways of dealing with the other being a jerk 😂
I’m late diagnosed autistic and grew up in a religious cult, in a large family who were avid DoTerra oil users. I’m in my 30’s now, and have been in therapy for several years, but the DoTerra girl absolutely made me think of my early adult self (18-22). I was so disregulated, burnt out from years of performative masking in social settings, and trying to get through life by parroting unhealthy interactions I’d experienced in my very isolated/sheltered home life. I was having what I now know were autistic meltdowns/shutdowns (also panic attacks from PTSD) that would look on the outside as very erratic behavior for a young adult. My heart breaks for both people in the story, and I hope that the girl in the 2nd story, whether she has underlying issues, enmeshment with her family, or just is very emotionally dysregulated, gets some support and help to stop violating people’s boundaries.
@@kerryconklin9828 And ironically, the sort of training that can make an autistic person not understand this stuff is wrong is the stuff that is supposed to be teaching them the appropriate way to socialize with people. But often such training for autistic kids includes a lot of BS. One example of such I heard of, which has nothing to do with essential oils, is a "game" in which a person says to another person "can you make a happy face" and then physically moves that person's mouth into a smile. And by physically I mean physically, as in pushing the corners of the other person's mouth into a smile with one's fingers. I heard of this from a post by the babysitter of a kid who was taught that "game" by his therapists in the name of teaching appropriate life skills. The babysitter explained to the kid that what he was doing was a no-no, thankfully. But I'm betting a lot more of this BS "social skills" training doesn't get noticed until the kid grows up and gets in trouble because they wrongly assume that such behavior can constitute a normal and appropriate social interaction among adults. And often the adults who issue such training have no idea that the kid is just going to take that game and assume it to be a normal social interaction. Because the adults themselves were sold a lot of BS about how autistic learning works. They often don't get that the kid will most likely, in Vulcan-like fashion, mentally jot down the exact BS things that were done to them and be like "okay, this is clearly the recommended expert and ideal way to interact with people, I'll file this away for later"
Can you imagine being a kid and having your parents come in on career day only to pitch Amway? Because that was my immediate thought and hoooboy the imaginary cringe is real.
I was diagnosed with cancer last year and the amount of oil pitches I heard was ridiculous. Thanks no thanks I’ll stick with chemo. I’m now cancer free. It’s absolutely disgusting how they pray on people during the worst moments of their lives.
literally everything is chemical and I hate hearing people say "it's less chemical", ... but it just shows they have no idea what they're talking about
I love f***ing with people that say that by saying something like 'pretty sure it has dihydrogen monoxide in it' and how that chemical kills thousands, can kill people in as little as a tablespoon, is used to clean cars, etc. Guess how frequently they know what it is?! Lol
@@jn9850 your answer is brilliant!! And I guess that 99% of the time they have no clue what it is. Such a scary chemical considering that every one who has died was in frequent contact with it
Amen. I'm a smoker (very closet Abt it, honestly, I don't smoke around ANYONE EVER bc I feel it's SO rude) BUT I'm a smoker and ppl will learn this and say OMG THAT CAUSES CANCER ITS SO TOXIC ... I'm just like???? Ma'am or sir... EVERY SINGLE THING WE ARE EXPOSED TO CAUSES CANCER. THE END.
I tried monat shampoo and had severe scalp burns. I even went to the dr. There was nothing you could see but it felt like a bad sunburn. It was soon after my sister was talking to her hair stylist about this and the woman sheepishly said she washes her clients hair with monat shampoo, apparently without their knowledge. My sister was livid.!
Fun fact: the arm-tugging “test” is an old faith healing/snake oil salesman trick. The trick is where exactly they grab your arm. First they grab your wrists and can easily pull you off-balance. Then after you use whatever magical product they’re trying to shill, they do it again but grab your arms just fractionally higher above your wrist, making it harder to pull you off balance as now you’re using your arm rather than wrist muscles to resist. I had it done to me once by an ASEA rep (and yes, I’ve submitted that story lol) and recognized it from some show I’d seen years ago. I use it as a fun party trick from time to time now. It proves nothing other than that they are fully aware of the scam they’re pulling because someone had to show them exactly how to do it for it to work.
Wow, they sure are stuck in the 1900s. But I guess most people can be easily impressed/convinced. I was shocked at how many people had suddenly become scientics during 2021-2022. Usually it's the confidence that is very manipulative. Actual virologists or immunologist could never claim anything 100%, because most conversations require a dialogue or discussions, not a monologue. That's why we have peer reviewing process for any claim.
Reminds me of "healers" visiting churches who get you to sit in a chair and put your legs out in front and pull one leg harder than the other and say one legs longer than the other. Then they pray for healing and do it again and both legs are suddenly even. "Hallelujah!" I had it done to me once. So sickeningly manipulative.
The story from the "Amway kid" was super fascinating to me because my mom's cousin and her husband have been in very deep into Amway since the early 90s. They never pitched "the business" to us thankfully, but my parents always eluded to me that their work was somewhat scammy. They were fairly successful, having bought progressively larger homes while Amway was their only source of income. There were pictures in his office of them wearing the finest mid 90s fashion while rubbing elbows with politicians and celebrities. I don't know any details because it was kept very hush-hush in my family, but about 6 years ago, things must have gone south fast with their business. While we were at the Amway Palace (as we called it) for Christmas Eve one year, they announced that they were moving to be closer to their daughter, and because they just didn't need that big of a house anymore. I found out after some online sleuthing that their house was foreclosed on. They moved into a rental house that is much smaller and he has since started selling something for another company. I am pretty close with their daughter, and while I have never asked about their financial situation, she has hinted to the fact that they don't have any savings. I am going to guess that they were probably encouraged to spend excessively to further the image that Amway can make your financial dreams come true. This video was so interesting to me because it gives me a window into what was likely going on in their (and my cousin being the kid) lives. We also live in the Midwest, in fact in the state where Amway was founded, so they may have even been part of the same team. Very scary and interesting at the same time!!
This is exactly what happened to my parents in 2002. Amway switched its point system and almost everyone making a living, went bankrupt....including my parents. They built Amway from day one. Literally recruted by the founders in the late 70's. And the Company left all of these people who built the company on their backs, in ruins. It's truly sick.
The story about Amway unlocked so many forgotten childhood memories... That weird Kate system, always having Perfect water and SO much XS energy (literally at least 1 box of every flavor)... THE GOADS! oh boy. My parents have been out for years now but they still have so many Amway products throughout the house. I love when people send in Amway stories because they are all so relatable for me.
K but did you ever go to the teen meetings that ran during conferences. Also I definitely remember how fun they tried to make those concerts in the evening rallys. 😅 silly string and smoke machines
Lotta Amway folks push these extremely overpriced nutrition and cosmetics on their downline. sad. MLM's have destroyed and wasted so many peoples lives, time and money.
Same! My grand ma got involved into Amway around the late 80s-early 90s and got my parents and my aunt involved as well. So basically me and my siblings grew up on Amway products, i grew up think the al products at the supermarket were bad. Thankfully my mom got out around the early 2000s, but as my grandmas was still there we were still buying those products, sadly my grandma got brain washed that all amway products were hypoallergenic and everything else gave her allergies and actually she was involved until last year. Not gonna lie i think some of their products are actually good, but therir pricing are insane. Should i write my horror story 🤔
This doesn't have much to do with the video but it loosely involves Amway. This morning I was listening to a podcast about cults, specifically the sex-traffixking cult Nxivm, which was founded by Keith Raniere (who used to be in Amway and then started his own MLM which was closed down for being a pyramid scheme). Aaaand in the middle of all of it I got Beach Body ads. Too many things coming full circle all at the same time. 😂
I’m a massage therapist and I collect essential oils myself. However, I meet a lot of people like this. It is gross, essential oils are not antibiotics or vaccinations. They do not protect against Corona; spread the word!!! Lol
It's so validating to hear about the not wanting to be a stay-at-home mom and I'm so proud of the writer for figuring out their own dreams and desires. I'm definitely not interested in marrying or having children. I am very fulfilled in my -GASP- 9-5 day job as an archivist working with art everyday and my side hustle as a visual artist. I love what I do and I love traveling places to sell my art and being able to have my own space at my home.
I love the strikethrough, there. :D It's not that 9-5 jobs can't be a pain, but like...they're not all a pain? And being an archivist, if I understand what that is correctly, I can see how that would be quite fulfilling. you preserve things that are important for one reason or another.
My flip of this is that I also feel it's alright if a woman wants to be a stay at home mom, but just make sure it's truly what you want. Don't do it because that's all you've ever known and been told, that's not really making your own decision. I try to be mindful of this, because I've heard of women who've wanted to be stay at home moms or who already are and are ostricized by working women and seen as "setting us back". So that's why I say so long as it's truly what the person wants and they've been informed of other paths and being at home is still their desire, more power to them. Sadly, ensuring the person has indeed been given those alternate options is the harder part, especially as MLM's were practically birthed in reglious communities, like Mormonism.
Staying home and raising a family is that path that will make most people happy. You are not most people. Youre and individual. So you have to make the choices that are best for you. If home and kids is that path great. If a career is that path also great. Always remember you are you and not the person others tell you who you are.
Being a SAHM was something I NEVER wanted to do. The thought of it gives me such a feeling of emotional desolation. I need adult conversations and at least a little intellectual stimulation each day, plus I need lots of quiet time to be able to functional at all. Like others have said, if a woman really wants to dedicate her life to being a SAHM, more power to her. If I could have birthed fully-grown adult children I might have been interested in motherhood, LOL. Now that all my nieces and nephews are grown, I enjoy them in ways I sure didn't when they were little. They're all smart, funny, caring people and not one says anymore, "Aunt Karen, come wipe my butt," from the bathroom.
The girl rubbing oils on her missionary partner is mormon and having had almost 4 years of experience with one of my best friends being apart of that faith and giving me lessons, I can attest to that being fairly spot on for the Utah mormons.
OMG the second story brought me back! I got recruited at 16 by my brother and was somewhat active for a couple years. He stayed in the business. At 25 I had a son, at age 2 he started having seizures. My brother truly believed that if I gave him the vitamins and the perfect water that it would cure his epilepsy. He's been in for 26 years now, we no longer have contact so I really have no idea what level he's achieved.
My parents were in amway, we had EVERYTHING amway : toothpaste, shampoo, vitamins, and so on. I remember the weird smell of the boxes, it always gave me a headache
Oh gosh, your contributor was spot on with the Amway story. I've been there and done that. Including Dream Builders. A huge eye opener for us was when we figured out the way people earned more than the income cap. Which I believe was only $110, 000 a year at that time, (early 2000's), after achieving the highest level. The actual wealth at the top was made up from the profit off of all the tapes and books. But even worse was the horrible religious pressure. This was in San Diego, and there was one of those Mega Six Flags Over Jesus churches we were pretty much forced to join. And I'm an atheist, haha. Our upline was huge on the pressure to attend all the services and classes at that church throughout the week. And to embrace the Christian nationalism this church spouted. Our upline also tried to keep us separated from our non Amway friends. The were lots of Amway social events we felt we had to attend, which left no time for an outside life. And we were told the usual mlm garbage that if family and friend's weren't in it with us, they were a negative in our lives. I knew this was a scam, but my gullible partner had a father that was super rich from being involved from the beginning for a number of MLM'S. Anyway, I can easily believe the parents in this story staying in for thirty years. It can easily become your whole life and all you know. Pure cult crap. Thank you for all this great work, Hannah. I'll write out my many, many idiot MLM stories dating back to the early 1970's for you when I have the time.
@@LSuschena As i recall, if you had filled all your legs, maybe it was called, and they filled all of theirs, it did top out. We were flat out told that real money, the big money, was in the instructional materials, the tapes in particular.
@@shelby477 Fill your legs and they fill theirs? Never heard of that. There is no limit on how many legs you can have or how deep the legs can be. If you sponsored 6 people and they sponsored six, all you have is a bunch of sponsored people. The company doesn’t pay for sponsoring people, they pay for products sold every month to you and your group. If you help one of you personal sponsored attain platinum sales, you get a 6% bonus on their volume. If help 3 get to platinum, you earn 3 6% checks plus the Emerald bonus, 6 you earn all that plus the diamond bonus, at 12 you qualify as double diamond, 18 triple diamond, 20 crown, then crown ambassador. If a diamond earns about $250,000/year, what does a crown earn? There is no limit on income because there is no limit on how big an organization you can build. Yes, there is money made on books and tapes, but that doesn’t replace their AmWay income, who ever told you had was not truthful. Books and tapes are education, your annual cost about $800. Success people people teach you how to build a business based in person experience. How much does a college degree in Business cost you, how about an MBA? Tens of thousands, and most of the college professors has ever started or run a successful multi-million dollar business, they can only teach the theory of business, and you don’t make any money until you graduate and borrow tens of thousands and invest your own money into starting a business that has no guarantee of success. Be well.
@@LSuschena Oh dear, do you actually think i care about the details of a scam company i tried for a while over 20 years ago?. I probably forget the details. You pointed out what a diamond tops at, but i was making the point that the big money was made off of the tapes. Which you are required to buy,. Those tapes or cd's were just rah rah get you excited stories. There was never any new information there. You are defending the indefensible. Read the financial statements to find out just how likely you are to make diamond. Which I'm positive you are not. Because you wouldn't have the time to be watching TH-cam. You'd be making calls, giving prospects a presentation or going to church. All while working your full time job. I'm truly sorry if you are involved with them. I fell for it also, so no shame from me. Just please get the real info and save yourself from losing an arm and a leg. Please.
Savanah just had a live last night for YL That Oil Show. In that show, one woman (that sells this) tricked her husband saying her oil was a special lube for bedroom time for him to get this specific oil on his body parts. 😮 Apparently it was an oil to help liver function. AND she filmed this story WHILE she was driving with no seat belt on while the seat belt alarm dinged the whole time in the video. Crazy!!!
You do sometimes get franchises in really close proximity, but it's usually something like a bunch Starbucks in Manhattan, where they're not just selling coffee, but also a place to sit, and probably wifi access and the ability to charge electronics, in a crowded urban area.
I worked for a civil engineering firm, and certain companies only want to be around certain other companies, like we had Chick-fil-A as a client and they had a list of other fast food places they would build next to.
The roommate story happened when they were mormon missionaries, if you know anything about mormon missions, they aren't allowed to be out of sight of their partner EVER. They are also encouraged to make sure they're both being faithful enough and following all the rules. All of that on the surface is extremely ridgid, I cant imagine having to deal with constantly being in her BO. Mormanism is also known for crossing personal boundaries most people have, which is probably why her roommate felt she could violate her like that.
I'm Mormon, it is not part of our culture to go beyond personal space, but I have met plenty of missionaries who do anyway. They become almost aggressive in their mission, like they need to prove something. We are aware of them, but they don't speak for all of us 😂
I woke up with a vestibular migraine this morning and can’t do a lot or listen/watch much either. You’ve made my day with a long entertaining video and your calm voice and cadence. Thank you so much.
This might sound a bit strange, but thank you for mentioning vestibular migraines. I've been trying to figure out what my migraines even were (they're a touch atypical, at least as far as I understand), and after some research, I think those could be the ones I have. I'm going to talk to my doctor about it. Thank you again. I hope you can find relief; migraines are awful to experience.
@@orchidcolors Not at all strange! It’s a comfort to come across someone I can relate to as well, even though I’d never wish this on anyone. In my experience, a most people don’t understand migraines especially when they’re chronic. People liken them to headaches and are dismissive of how unalike they are. “They can’t be that bad. I still work when I have a headache. Why aren’t you better?” We don’t really get cured, so hopefully we can find something that will manage them. Migraines can really make you feel isolated and lonely on top of the pain and all of the other symptoms, so it means a lot to me that you replied. Thank you, and I wish you the best for your health too. ♥️
That Amway story is pretty consistent with what my friends have experienced. I have several different friends that got into the World Wide branch and it literally ruined all of their finances, tore up marriages and ripped up part my church as a result. It seems that the World Wide branch is closely connected with religion in a sketchy way. One friend said that the conferences were "like going to church" the speaker would give a "sermon" and people would cry and then dedicate their lives to Christ while they're being told this is what God wants for them. Then they were also told that they had to put the "business first" because not only is it what God wants for them but if they didn't they weren't working hard enough to get the results that God wanted to "bless them with". This meant that they started using all their time and relationships at our (real) church to pitch the products and the business. It ruined a couple of different ministries and got to the point that the youth pastor left the church because he was told he couldn't pitch the business during church events anymore because his business is not what church is supposed to be about. It left a giant hole in the kids that he had built a relationship with and the ones that stuck around afterwards still have trust issues. The whole thing was difficult and heart breaking. Before the fallout the biggest red flag to me was that my friends who got roped into it, were putting this business before everything else in their life and it essentially became their religion, which is ironically the exact opposite of what we believe God wants for us. They couldn't even see it until the major fallout. I had other friends from a separate social group that got involved and after, again being told that they're doing what God wants and putting the business before all else, ruined their finances and almost got a divorce over it. Two of my other friends almost didn't get married because she was concerned about her future husband spending $400 a month on these products that they couldn't afford all for some future "financial gain" and "time freedom" that she knew would never come. My best friend got roped into it too and she was told by her upline that she had to come to this conference in another city across the state. Her request for time off was decline and she had no sick time left but she was told that if she were really motivated to succeed in this "business" then she would do whatever it took to make it to this conference, including calling in sick even if that time was unpaid because the conference was an "investment" she couldn't afford to miss. She was expected to call in and listen to the motivational messages everyday at ridiculous hours in order to "succeed", she was told to read all those books that were listed out and used all the phrases that were listed out in the story here. I had another friend try to pitch me the business and when I asked her what the business was, all she could tell me was that it was "a business opportunity that would give you the time freedom and ability to retire early that we all want" but got mad when I pressed her for business logistics like, how to make money. When I figured out it was actually Amway and asked why it's called World Wide and not Amway, I was told vehemently that it's not Amway because Amway was a scam and things have changed since Amway but that it's definitely not Amway. Sorry for the long comment, I guess this turned into a mini horror story. I didn't realize how deeply this particular scam affected me and the people around me until I wrote this out. I've had other friends and co-workers pitch me for Younique, do-terra, it works, beach body, AdvoCare, LuLaRoe and probably others that I can't remember aside from my own experience in Mary Kay. At this point I can't even trust the friend requests and messages that come my way anymore because of how many "hey Hun" type messages I get. It is heart breaking and actually causes me anxiety when someone wants to "reconnect" anymore. Thank you for doing what you do and having the courage to speak out. I wish I had your content a long time ago, perhaps it could have saved some heart break.
Well, I respect your experience, but having had experiences with super dangerous, terrifying, actual cults, I find Mormons to be pretty chill. I don't think it's fair to generalize them.
Oh my goodness!! The Amway story brought back so many memories. My husband and I were in Amway in the mid 90s. We were in the World Wide Dream Builders group, went to the conferences, and I'm pretty sure we had CDs of The Goads!! We had all of the books mentioned as well. We never did well and were not in long. I am swimming in memories right now!! 😳
I was in Amway with WWDB back in the early 2000s. I left shortly after they introduced Perfect Water. I didn't understand what was so special about it then and I definitely think it's a bunch of woo now. While I liked some of the products others I didn't. My ex and I spent a lot of money we didn't have trying to make the business work. I always felt kinda scummy trying to sell people on the products and the dream. We only stayed in for about 3-4 years and only because the men had a positive impact on my husband and I enjoyed several of the personal enrichment books that I read, one of which really changed my look on things. I met some great people, however, I'm only in contact with two of them anymore.
My parents were in Amway in the 90s (we lived within 30 miles of the headquarters/the city it was founded in) because they weren't successful and quit the "business" a year or so after joining because we are not a family with sales skills at all lol I asked my mom about the expired products and empty spray bottles in my childhood bathroom closet and she still denies that it's a pyramid scheme but I'm glad they didn't stay in long and realized that it wasn't a financially feasible business (My dad should know better, he's a business accountant and my mom was a SAHM with 4 kids). Go away Scamway
My mom was in Amway too in the past. Held parties, tried to sell and spend loads on all those seminares & cds cause she truly believed it was a good investment and she was gonna get god finances later. (She have always been poor). Never happend, shes not a sale person and she also fully denies it was a pyramid scheme and do still believe they have superior products with ingredients you cant find in any other product on the market cause Amway said so. Sure, some of their products was good, but nothing better than other products you could find somewhere else. Not the last time she was scammed either.
I’m just uncomfortably squirming in my seat and feeling embarrassed (constantly pausing, too) as you talk about Amway products and go over the details of Perfect water… these were things I was very involved in during my 7 years in that cult. For perfect water, we used to have this demo where we would try to get someone’s knees to buckle by pressing down on their shoulders, and have them drink perfect water, and try pressing down again, and suddenly your knees wouldn’t bend because perfect water’s ✨magical science✨ instantly improves your body. Barf.
Yeah, I think it's at least partly because the MLMs target moms who want to stay home with their kids, and want a side gig. And because so many people are MLMs, it's actually hard to point out the issues with such companies, because you're going to offend a million people.
I remember being in World Wide DreamBuilders and how they told us to stop thinking and use your mentors brain instead. This translates to stop questioning and do what you’re told. I also remember Brad Duncan, a diamond, say to basically recruit the hispanics, blacks, and Asians cuz we have a lot of family. Getting out of the cult was so surreal because of how brainwashed I was. It took almost a year or so to feel like myself again and to not feel like a failure cuz I quit. Sometimes, when you quit, you gain something back.
@chelybee I was in WWDB too - I know who Brad Duncan is - but was not in very deep, so don’t have the negative experiences that a lot of people commenting seems to have had. I’m sorry your experience and the experience of so many here was negative. I can see what you all are saying though, as I had doubts about some of their tactics. I still have friends in it, but we don’t talk a lot about that, although I will buy a few items every now and then for the quality. I’m glad you were able to come out of the whole experience and regain your life back.
OMG The amway story hit home so hard. I remember many of my family members falling into that and so many other schemes. They were all struggling financially, and it’s just so predatory. I remember the “work for yourself” “run your own business” line being presented as THE DREAM we were all supposed to have. The vilification of corporate jobs was pretty icky especially since most of the people selling that narrative were actually funding their MLM “work” through their spouse’s full time corporate job. I never wanted to sell things, so it just didn’t resonate. Instead of accepting me for who I am, my MLM family members and friends tried to change me into someone that would be interested.
17:20 Hannah, the fact you were able to read thru this story without bursting into uncontrollable laughter when reading each new thing the hunbot companion did is a miracle. I have a feeling I would've been unable to finish while keeping a straight face.
A woo prone mom in my neighborhood showed up with some magic stickers that she claimed made you stronger, better, faster and more balanced. She wasn’t trying to sell them (although it’s entirely possible she bought them from an MLM rep), she just gets suckered by all of this stupid stuff. She also told me how her mom and aunts needed to do a spiritual cleansing on her brother bc clearly the reason he kept making such bad/selfish life choices was bc of evil spirits.
Crystal deodorant is genuinely a thing. Its far more common in Europe than in America, and I only discovered it once I moved to Europe. It actually works really well! It is basically a salt crystal that helps to absorb moisture so that bacteria has more trouble growing. It sounds like the girl just really needed to wash better or the Doterra branded one has some bizarre formula that doesnt actually work.
I've tried a salt crystal like that, but it just did NOT work for me. 5 min after I put it on i smelled strongly of sweat. I dont even do that if I dont use any and the crystal didnt smell like anything when I smelled it to se if it was that. It just crashed with my bodys own bacterias(?) under my armpit.
@@scarofmanleavethembehind I've used the crystal from a drug store. I didnt like it you have to apply it wet. I use a natural deodorant from a local company but they had a very good blog post saying that it takes at least 2 weeks to get your body used to it and to get the old chemical one out of your system. It did take 2 weeks but it works great. I even went to Florida with say dove and my bare organics deodorant. Bare organics preformed so much better. I wonder if the crystal would be the same.
My mom did Amway for like half a year. A woman in our community recruited a bunch of people and when they we’re helping my mom make her monthly purchase because she was having some trouble, when she didn’t purchase enough yet, one of the ladies told her to get hairspray. I said, “we already found a hairspray product that we love”. She looked at me annoyed and said, “So get used to this product now!” That’s when I knew it was funny business, and I was in my early teens. First they were advertising about their superior products but when you have something better, you just have to suck it up and use Amway anyway 😂
FYI about Amway- they recruit on LinkedIn. When I had just graduated college one of their sales people messaged me about a “job opportunity” and said I’d be “great at what they do.” I ignored it bc this person wasn’t from my area and after googling the company I was like “Yup that sounds awful!”
Found you like 2 weeks ago and I’m OBSESSED! I can’t stop, didn’t even know their was an anti MLM community. I’m normally a watch true crime and nothing else but I can’t stop watching all your vids … I’m scared of them running out and having to wait for new ones 😂😂 Im in AUstralia and it brings up all the MLMs I’ve forgotten existed 😅 You seem so sweet and I love how you talk through everything and explain it’s soo interesting and you do it so well 🥰 thanks for the content!
I'm so glad you made the point that not every woman wants to be a stay-at-home-mom, and that not every woman even wants to have kids (congratulations on the pregnancy, by the way). I love working with kids, have made it my whole career, but I'm totally fine not coming home to them every night. Some people absolutely do not understand this and will go out of their way to manipulate and guilt me into having a whole gaggle of children just because it's been ingrained into society to believe this way. It absolutely astounds me how many people tell me I should have a child because "I'd make a great mom," and then are shocked when I'm like, "Nah, I'm good. I have other goals in life." I also see the absolute worst society has to offer when it comes to parents, and I am fully willing to acknowledge that may be a large factor in me not wanting to have children of my own.
Thank you for doing these vids. I realize I've been surrounded by MLMs my whole life and I won't engage in any of them and will be wary of any "business" anyone offers me. Best of luck on the pregnancy journey. I had the roughest third trimester but I had twins. I know that is one lucky kiddo with you as the mom and AJ as the dad. Best of luck and have a great day!!
Pre-Quixtar Amway veteran here! I was attached to INA (International Networking Association) which was a sister organization to WWDB.I have a great story but it'll take me awhile to condense it.
OMG! I heard a mention of The Goads and remembered something from many years ago. I worked for Family Christian Stores as a stock/sales clerk and manager. A couple of people asked me if we carried The Goads on cassette or CD. I was seen a music guy so many questions were asked over the years. I never knew of their connection to Amway, holy cow.
I have been watching for several days waiting for something discussing Younique, I'm glad this one was on my list this morning. When I was in a very dark place in my life, I tried to run several different MLMs, my last was Younique. While I did like several of the products, I left when it was costing my family to promote my upline and watch her get all kinds of awesome kudos and nothing to be trickling down. I was very "pro" the business. I fell for the sappy "beginning story" that I'll bet never actually happened. I hate hearing that there are people out their exploiting God and the Bible to con others into anything, but specifically an MLM brand, and their faulty claims. If I spent enough time, I could probably send you endless stories about the 3 MLMs that I tried to run a business through. Thank you for putting out the content ❤
The missionary girl reads to me as a girl who’s MOM was in doterra, and she grew up wholeheartedly believing these oils as her family taught her all these lies about them. She probably genuinely believed in the reality she was raised in, however outside of actual reality it was. When you think about it, it’s really quite disgusting that that is even possible. Even as a grown adult she has such a skewed understanding of how everything works all because of her parents’ belief in pseudoscience. (If that is indeed the case)
Yes. I agree. It is very sad that she thought it was okay to behave that way. I know a lady who belongs to the Doterra cult and she rubs oils on strangers sometimes. She has also not taken her children to the doctor and "cured" them with oils.
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Amway used to peddle their in-house brand candies and snacks at one point. When my family would visit a certain household, the mom would always slip me a pack of bubble gum or a cheetos type snack as the adults chatted away.
I just found your channel a couple days ago and I have been watching the shit out of your content! You are so entertaining and it's like you are saying everything I'm thinking while reacting to the Huns!!! Keep up the great work
Omg. I am a child of 30 year Amway members. My parents were teachers with four kids and budget was tight! They were preyed upon and spent so much money on the quarterly rallies (which we loved going to a kids, because that meant vacation.), products, useless motivational materials. They STILL use some of the products, but never made a dime.
I was most surprised that mormon missionaries have to rely on savings when they're on a mission💀 like thats crazy theyre doing hundreds of hours of unpaid labor and the church can even give them allowance for groceries
Small detail, but crystal deodorant isn't like an actual rock. It's crystallized salts. You rub it on with water and the minerals transfer. There is a learning curve because you have to start with washed arm pits and the skin has to fully dry after application. There's a lot of user error, but it is a legitimate alternative to traditional deodorant. It lasts for about 24 hours to prevent odor. It's not for everyone, but the option is there.
I’m personally not a mom but I think part of the appeal of mlm reps pushing this “stay at home” mom dream heavily relies on the amount of labor working moms are expected to produce by not only providing for their family financially but also taking on domestic labor which is often undervalued or completely ignored.
About Amway: I was also an Amway kid all through the 90's. I was heavily into it emotionally, and had Amway plans of my own for when I became an adult. While I can see now that it is a pyramid scheme, there is so much good that came to our family specifically from being in it. The number one of those things being meeting my now brother in law, who we never would have met otherwise. He's such an incredible person, and we are lucky to have him. Along with this came the drive to push forward and hope for a better life. And there is some go getter attitude that most of our family adopted as a result of years of being heavily involved, and that attitude has extended into other areas of life. Yes, we lost money. No, I would never encourage anyone to join now. None of my family is still affiliated with Amway, and I wouldn't want them to be. But there are some things I miss. Emotionally, as well as some products. Gum, toothpaste, and mouthwash, for instance. Not much besides that.
I got roped into Young Living by a relative. She took some of the money we gave her for a used car they sold us, bought a Young Living kit in my name, then handed it to me so she could claim me for her downline. I read the materials that came with them, read them again, and decided there was no way in heck I could make money doing this. I used the oils for medicinal stuff for awhile, but it gradually dawned on me that they don't really do anything unless it's a zit or a bug bite, or to smell nice.
I thought the same thing. I don't know if you're old enough to remember this. Back in the day when you'd walk through a department store, the ladies at the make-up counter would spray you with perfume. The make-up area was in the middle of the store; It was hard to go into the mall without going through that area. Certain smells give me severe headaches. Others can exacerbate my asthma.
When I was a kid in the 90s, my parents got into Amway. They changed all of our shampoo to Amway. It was a terrible product. I had really bad and frizzy as a kid. Thanks Amway...
I was just scrolling through YT looking for something to watch while I make breakfast! Perfect timing! Thank you for taking some of the monotony out of my day!💗
When I was in college I had someone try to recruit me to I think amway but they never said the company name. The way she explained it was all I had to do was change the way I buy things and I’m like how am I making money if I’m spending money and there’s no outside source of money? Anyway she got mad and I left.
My husband tried Amway once and I was skeptical of the opportunity when he first brought it up but I hadn't heard of Amway and I wanted to be supportive. After a few meetings I was like hmmm so I looked it up and was like what the heck is this 🤣 my husband didn't last too long after that! His ultimate decision to stop was after they tried to get us to only use their products, my husband offered it to his mom and she was like this stuff is crap 😭😭 we still joke about it til this day!
I find the Monat stories so fascinating; because the idea of a "hair diet" or beauty regime its so alien to me (aside from having an actual healthy diet, and choosing products that are right for your hair type). I kinda feel these "hair regimes" are a weird offshoot of celebrity hairdresser brand cult back in the 90's; same as weight-loss MLMs are still surfing the extreme thiness media culture of that era.
The test mentioned in Story 3 of pulling on someone's arm and then having them drink the product and showing how much "stronger" they are sounds like it's actually a form of applied kinesiology. More than just being more prepared to resist the second time (though that's part of it) Applied Kinesiology (not the same as the college major/area of study with a similar name) often uses physics to make it appear that something has made you stronger. In the most popular tests they push you or pull you at one angle that is very hard to resist with your center of balance, and then after giving the product or service they're touting they do it again pushing from a slightly different angle that is significantly easier to resist. Applied kinesiology "tests" are used to "prove" all sorts of scammy alternative medicine claims from supplements to refllexology to crystal healing. Notably, it is almost impossible to do applied kinesiology (or at least do it in a way that works) without knowing what you are doing, and it can be a useful way to tell if a practicioner or salesperson or whathaveyou knows that they're scamming you. If I remember correctly, Oh No Ross and Carrie (great podcast, they investigate fringe science spirituality and claims of the paranormal so you don't have to and as such have covered some MLMs before since a lot of them are psuedosciency in nature) had a great explanation of how applied kinesiology works in their episode on Reflexology, googling the podcast name+reflexology should get you there with the first result. Alternately the wikipedia article gives a little background as well. In general tests like this are a great red flag especially for anything making health claims.
I kept getting added to FB groups for people I went to school with (or in one case their girlfriend) who were in MLMs. Blocking is so satisfying, the worst was from people selling Younique who know I don’t wear make up.
I was suckered into Amway many years ago by a friend. I did like a few of their products, but the rest of them weren’t so great. And even though the quality of the majority of the products were poor, you were paying top dollar for them! It wasn’t long before I quit.
I have a friend who is a hairstylist and she became a Monat hun and I’ve always been so confused how she can puddles such shitty products when she’s a professional and knows better. Like, she went to school for this she should know better I don’t understand why she continues to believe that Monat is such a miracle product.
It's especially interesting to me that in Story 3 (20:47) the reps *had* to attend Amway meetings multiple nights a week. I have a friend who got out of a religious cult relatively recently and, aside from being encouraged to sleep very few hours every night, most of his evenings were taken up doing mandatory "Bible" study. By reducing his mental functioning through a lack of proper rest and impeding his ability to make friends outside of the cult, they were trying their very best to prevent him from realising the truth. Thanks for your work, Hannah!
The "stay at home mom" angle might be why I've never been suckered into an MLM. That was definitely never my dream, so it was a useless pitch. I'm 43, no kids, no regrets.
I listen to these videos while working on uni homework, and my cat really likes to sit beside me while I do it. Just spent a good five minutes looking for her because I heard her little 'mrrp' noises, only to realize it was Zeke!
I have a comment and a question. My sister gave me Crystal deodorant years ago. It's like a huge block of salt that did nothing. Your story talked about putting crystals on the armpit. I think it was a brand name though. Question: Is 31...gifts or bags... a mlm? It has personalized bags and items of all sizes. It's kinda funny seeing so many companies we grew up with, Amway, Tupperware, Avon, Kirby vacuums, we all knew someone who sold them.
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as is the girl in the 2nd story. My son is on a mission for the Church as well. If his companion rubbed him with oils, I would be furious! I would have made it 4 days as her companion. Jesus made poison ivy, too. I am NOT going to rub it on me either!
Yes. I was shocked hearing that story. I am so surprised the mission president did not intervene. Surely that poor sister missionary complained about her companion behaving that way.
What you said about MLM reps making ridiculous claims is so true...my MIL has a debilitating muscle disease and these Herbalife reps (with medical degrees!!!) Were claiming it would help my MIL with her disease 🙄
I had to look up The Goads after hearing that they are literally an Amway music group and listened to some of "I'm Going Diamond" and I literally am dead xDDD ngl the song is kind of a banger, but it is so comical that they literally had what sounds like a 70s/80s band make music about the company and opportunity. I have never, and I mean NEVER heard of that regarding an MLM before in my life and I am literally dying of laughter over it.
Omg, I've found a copy of "rich dad poor dad" before! It was left behind at our retail store. I read the cover and back and decided it was junk, and nobody claimed it from our lost and found, so we tossed it 😂
Today I found out A: how to spell Quixtar (my mom was sadly in that one and I stg it was driving me nuts not being able to recall what it was) and B: it was really Amway……. Unfortunate core memory unlocked
OMG. I could have written that Amway letter and it would have been exactly the same! In fact I stumbled on this channel about a year ago when I was trying to find the Amway bands online to send to my sisters. 🤮🤮🤮
I was part of an MLM and was in the weekly meetings we needed to attend when I witnessed something I thought was questionable. There was a woman who was invited to get a makeover. This makeover was done in front of the consultant's downline supposedly for educational purposes. The consultant then did her business pitch. The woman who got the makeover was hesitant and said her husband wasn't on board with it. The consultant kept pressuring her to join right in front of us. The woman ended up joining because of the pressure. I knew then that I had to get out. I thought that was a jerk move. I was at another location and saw another consultant pressure another person to join even though the person was uncomfortable and clearly didn't want to join. I'm so glad I'm out and in a job I mostly enjoy!
To the girl that put her hands on her roommate to rub oils without her consent : MA'AM THAT'S ASSAULT. She has the patience of a saint, had it been me she would've caught these hands lol
Unfortunately Mormons are notoriously not taught a lot about consent. They're also targets for MLMs because they're already pre-disposed to brain-washing.
She wouldve caught these feet . I wouldve kicked her in the face for touching me without consent in the middle of the night .
Was about to say the same thing, we would NOT be living together after that lol
Then she said she had anger issues 😂😂 like girl she’s soo patient Ik I would blow up on that foot rubbing girl
it reminded me of the vapor rub incident from glee
I would totally love to see a Zeke and Cooper fan club. The name of the fan club is called "The Downlines" 😆
Or, hear me out... "The Meowlines" 😂
Can my cat and I join? 😂 My kitty Jiji LOOOVES the Zeke noises, he purrs and kneads his paws in the air/blankets depending on how he’s lounging, it’s so cute 😭😭😭
There was never a more purrrrrrfect downline 🐱
I love all the cat puns! Please keep them coming 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂❤❤❤❤ Love this idea!
"molecule bound oxygen" has to be the best marketing fluff for regular water I've ever heard! Had me literally laughing out loud!
Lol me too. When the description basically said oxygen infused water I couldn’t stop laughing. So….regular water….got it 😂
@@Alyse_bell "oxygen rich" usually means that there's a high degree of O2 dissolved in the water (that's what fish breathe), but could technically mean that the water is acidic (higher presence of OH- molecules) or that the water molecules themselves contain oxygen. "Molecule bound oxygen" literally only means that the water molecules contain oxygen.
And for my next pitch, you can try my famous Amway sodium rich salt on some super amazing potato rich French fries! 👍🏼
All these fancy waters with the extra ionization and whatever else, just make me roll my eyes. I used to drink water from the hose (granted I know why it's not recommended anymore) and I'm still alive and well. 90's kids are just built different I guess lol 🤣
@@Abutado most of the fancy waters is just regular water with fancy words describing its natural normal composition.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Doterra girl in story 2 has a mom who did exactly that to her while growing up - giving her EOs to stop or change behaviors that she didn’t like.
I’ve noticed this is a common thing that EO moms do, and in particular I’ve seen many “autism moms” do this with their autistic kid.
If the girl was so bold to just apply EOs to someone else, she must have been raised to think that this is the way to do things.
Ohhh! That makes so much sense! And not to diagnose her or anything, but her maybe being on the spectrum could explain why she has some of those behaviors! She may really not understand that how she's acting is wrong. Sooo much sense now!
@@kerryconklin9828 Yes, if it's not a diagnosable condition then it's just entitlement or poor nurturing. I grew up in a big family, there wasn't such thing as personal space/bubbles etc. But something like this would get you shoved off the bed, smacked or other siblings ways of dealing with the other being a jerk 😂
I’m late diagnosed autistic and grew up in a religious cult, in a large family who were avid DoTerra oil users. I’m in my 30’s now, and have been in therapy for several years, but the DoTerra girl absolutely made me think of my early adult self (18-22). I was so disregulated, burnt out from years of performative masking in social settings, and trying to get through life by parroting unhealthy interactions I’d experienced in my very isolated/sheltered home life. I was having what I now know were autistic meltdowns/shutdowns (also panic attacks from PTSD) that would look on the outside as very erratic behavior for a young adult. My heart breaks for both people in the story, and I hope that the girl in the 2nd story, whether she has underlying issues, enmeshment with her family, or just is very emotionally dysregulated, gets some support and help to stop violating people’s boundaries.
@@kerryconklin9828 And ironically, the sort of training that can make an autistic person not understand this stuff is wrong is the stuff that is supposed to be teaching them the appropriate way to socialize with people. But often such training for autistic kids includes a lot of BS. One example of such I heard of, which has nothing to do with essential oils, is a "game" in which a person says to another person "can you make a happy face" and then physically moves that person's mouth into a smile. And by physically I mean physically, as in pushing the corners of the other person's mouth into a smile with one's fingers.
I heard of this from a post by the babysitter of a kid who was taught that "game" by his therapists in the name of teaching appropriate life skills. The babysitter explained to the kid that what he was doing was a no-no, thankfully. But I'm betting a lot more of this BS "social skills" training doesn't get noticed until the kid grows up and gets in trouble because they wrongly assume that such behavior can constitute a normal and appropriate social interaction among adults. And often the adults who issue such training have no idea that the kid is just going to take that game and assume it to be a normal social interaction. Because the adults themselves were sold a lot of BS about how autistic learning works. They often don't get that the kid will most likely, in Vulcan-like fashion, mentally jot down the exact BS things that were done to them and be like "okay, this is clearly the recommended expert and ideal way to interact with people, I'll file this away for later"
Personal boundaries...
Can you imagine being a kid and having your parents come in on career day only to pitch Amway? Because that was my immediate thought and hoooboy the imaginary cringe is real.
“Hey kids, this is what I sell, this is why it’s great, and here is my number and email and socials for your parents.”
"Hey kid, come up front and let me shove you, then drink this water, and I'll shove you again!..... The what now? 'SCiEntiFiC mEtHoD?' What's THAT?" 🤪
i kinda of lived that with another mlm...
I feel like that has 100% happened and I need anyone who has a story about this situation to send a story in, I want to hear about it 😂
@@kaycrossing of
I was diagnosed with cancer last year and the amount of oil pitches I heard was ridiculous. Thanks no thanks I’ll stick with chemo. I’m now cancer free. It’s absolutely disgusting how they pray on people during the worst moments of their lives.
Congratulations!
That person who rubbed the oils on her roommate - that’s literal assault . I wish people would file legal complaints about this . Maybe they’ll stop
Doterra missionary needs to be told shes idolizing (a sin) essential oils. I bet that would help her alot.
Holy essential water
@@krissyehenderson8041 lol they already consecrate olive oil. I guess that just adds to the oil love.
literally everything is chemical and I hate hearing people say "it's less chemical", ... but it just shows they have no idea what they're talking about
I love f***ing with people that say that by saying something like 'pretty sure it has dihydrogen monoxide in it' and how that chemical kills thousands, can kill people in as little as a tablespoon, is used to clean cars, etc. Guess how frequently they know what it is?! Lol
@@jn9850 your answer is brilliant!! And I guess that 99% of the time they have no clue what it is. Such a scary chemical considering that every one who has died was in frequent contact with it
Amen. I'm a smoker (very closet Abt it, honestly, I don't smoke around ANYONE EVER bc I feel it's SO rude) BUT I'm a smoker and ppl will learn this and say OMG THAT CAUSES CANCER ITS SO TOXIC ... I'm just like???? Ma'am or sir... EVERY SINGLE THING WE ARE EXPOSED TO CAUSES CANCER. THE END.
I tried monat shampoo and had severe scalp burns. I even went to the dr. There was nothing you could see but it felt like a bad sunburn. It was soon after my sister was talking to her hair stylist about this and the woman sheepishly said she washes her clients hair with monat shampoo, apparently without their knowledge. My sister was livid.!
Fun fact: the arm-tugging “test” is an old faith healing/snake oil salesman trick. The trick is where exactly they grab your arm. First they grab your wrists and can easily pull you off-balance. Then after you use whatever magical product they’re trying to shill, they do it again but grab your arms just fractionally higher above your wrist, making it harder to pull you off balance as now you’re using your arm rather than wrist muscles to resist. I had it done to me once by an ASEA rep (and yes, I’ve submitted that story lol) and recognized it from some show I’d seen years ago. I use it as a fun party trick from time to time now. It proves nothing other than that they are fully aware of the scam they’re pulling because someone had to show them exactly how to do it for it to work.
Wow, they sure are stuck in the 1900s. But I guess most people can be easily impressed/convinced. I was shocked at how many people had suddenly become scientics during 2021-2022. Usually it's the confidence that is very manipulative. Actual virologists or immunologist could never claim anything 100%, because most conversations require a dialogue or discussions, not a monologue. That's why we have peer reviewing process for any claim.
Reminds me of "healers" visiting churches who get you to sit in a chair and put your legs out in front and pull one leg harder than the other and say one legs longer than the other. Then they pray for healing and do it again and both legs are suddenly even. "Hallelujah!" I had it done to me once. So sickeningly manipulative.
The story from the "Amway kid" was super fascinating to me because my mom's cousin and her husband have been in very deep into Amway since the early 90s. They never pitched "the business" to us thankfully, but my parents always eluded to me that their work was somewhat scammy. They were fairly successful, having bought progressively larger homes while Amway was their only source of income. There were pictures in his office of them wearing the finest mid 90s fashion while rubbing elbows with politicians and celebrities.
I don't know any details because it was kept very hush-hush in my family, but about 6 years ago, things must have gone south fast with their business. While we were at the Amway Palace (as we called it) for Christmas Eve one year, they announced that they were moving to be closer to their daughter, and because they just didn't need that big of a house anymore. I found out after some online sleuthing that their house was foreclosed on. They moved into a rental house that is much smaller and he has since started selling something for another company. I am pretty close with their daughter, and while I have never asked about their financial situation, she has hinted to the fact that they don't have any savings. I am going to guess that they were probably encouraged to spend excessively to further the image that Amway can make your financial dreams come true. This video was so interesting to me because it gives me a window into what was likely going on in their (and my cousin being the kid) lives. We also live in the Midwest, in fact in the state where Amway was founded, so they may have even been part of the same team.
Very scary and interesting at the same time!!
This is exactly what happened to my parents in 2002. Amway switched its point system and almost everyone making a living, went bankrupt....including my parents. They built Amway from day one. Literally recruted by the founders in the late 70's. And the Company left all of these people who built the company on their backs, in ruins. It's truly sick.
The story about Amway unlocked so many forgotten childhood memories... That weird Kate system, always having Perfect water and SO much XS energy (literally at least 1 box of every flavor)... THE GOADS! oh boy. My parents have been out for years now but they still have so many Amway products throughout the house. I love when people send in Amway stories because they are all so relatable for me.
OMGGGGG the GOADS!!!! My parents were diamonds in Amway here in Grand Rapids MI. Who were your parents? It would be crazy if we knew each other! LOL
K but did you ever go to the teen meetings that ran during conferences. Also I definitely remember how fun they tried to make those concerts in the evening rallys. 😅 silly string and smoke machines
Lotta Amway folks push these extremely overpriced nutrition and cosmetics on their downline. sad. MLM's have destroyed and wasted so many peoples lives, time and money.
Same! My grand ma got involved into Amway around the late 80s-early 90s and got my parents and my aunt involved as well. So basically me and my siblings grew up on Amway products, i grew up think the al products at the supermarket were bad. Thankfully my mom got out around the early 2000s, but as my grandmas was still there we were still buying those products, sadly my grandma got brain washed that all amway products were hypoallergenic and everything else gave her allergies and actually she was involved until last year. Not gonna lie i think some of their products are actually good, but therir pricing are insane. Should i write my horror story 🤔
This doesn't have much to do with the video but it loosely involves Amway. This morning I was listening to a podcast about cults, specifically the sex-traffixking cult Nxivm, which was founded by Keith Raniere (who used to be in Amway and then started his own MLM which was closed down for being a pyramid scheme). Aaaand in the middle of all of it I got Beach Body ads. Too many things coming full circle all at the same time. 😂
what is the podcast?
@@amberisrad Was I in a Cult? It's on Spotify but I'm sure it's on other services too.
@@lauren.13 awesome thanks so much! i use spotify so thats perfect!
I’m a massage therapist and I collect essential oils myself. However, I meet a lot of people like this. It is gross, essential oils are not antibiotics or vaccinations. They do not protect against Corona; spread the word!!! Lol
It's so validating to hear about the not wanting to be a stay-at-home mom and I'm so proud of the writer for figuring out their own dreams and desires. I'm definitely not interested in marrying or having children. I am very fulfilled in my -GASP- 9-5 day job as an archivist working with art everyday and my side hustle as a visual artist. I love what I do and I love traveling places to sell my art and being able to have my own space at my home.
I love the strikethrough, there. :D It's not that 9-5 jobs can't be a pain, but like...they're not all a pain? And being an archivist, if I understand what that is correctly, I can see how that would be quite fulfilling. you preserve things that are important for one reason or another.
Ooh I want to branch into archiving! Very cool!
My flip of this is that I also feel it's alright if a woman wants to be a stay at home mom, but just make sure it's truly what you want. Don't do it because that's all you've ever known and been told, that's not really making your own decision. I try to be mindful of this, because I've heard of women who've wanted to be stay at home moms or who already are and are ostricized by working women and seen as "setting us back". So that's why I say so long as it's truly what the person wants and they've been informed of other paths and being at home is still their desire, more power to them.
Sadly, ensuring the person has indeed been given those alternate options is the harder part, especially as MLM's were practically birthed in reglious communities, like Mormonism.
Staying home and raising a family is that path that will make most people happy. You are not most people. Youre and individual. So you have to make the choices that are best for you. If home and kids is that path great. If a career is that path also great. Always remember you are you and not the person others tell you who you are.
Being a SAHM was something I NEVER wanted to do. The thought of it gives me such a feeling of emotional desolation. I need adult conversations and at least a little intellectual stimulation each day, plus I need lots of quiet time to be able to functional at all. Like others have said, if a woman really wants to dedicate her life to being a SAHM, more power to her. If I could have birthed fully-grown adult children I might have been interested in motherhood, LOL. Now that all my nieces and nephews are grown, I enjoy them in ways I sure didn't when they were little. They're all smart, funny, caring people and not one says anymore, "Aunt Karen, come wipe my butt," from the bathroom.
The girl rubbing oils on her missionary partner is mormon and having had almost 4 years of experience with one of my best friends being apart of that faith and giving me lessons, I can attest to that being fairly spot on for the Utah mormons.
Hey now, I promise the majority use actual deodorant and won't assault you while you sleep
@@michaelahankins4295 ok that is fair 😁
OMG the second story brought me back! I got recruited at 16 by my brother and was somewhat active for a couple years. He stayed in the business. At 25 I had a son, at age 2 he started having seizures. My brother truly believed that if I gave him the vitamins and the perfect water that it would cure his epilepsy. He's been in for 26 years now, we no longer have contact so I really have no idea what level he's achieved.
I’m sorry to hear it ended up that way 😢 do u blame the MLM for why u are no contact?
My parents were in amway, we had EVERYTHING amway : toothpaste, shampoo, vitamins, and so on. I remember the weird smell of the boxes, it always gave me a headache
Oh gosh, your contributor was spot on with the Amway story. I've been there and done that. Including Dream Builders. A huge eye opener for us was when we figured out the way people earned more than the income cap. Which I believe was only $110, 000 a year at that time, (early 2000's), after achieving the highest level. The actual wealth at the top was made up from the profit off of all the tapes and books. But even worse was the horrible religious pressure. This was in San Diego, and there was one of those Mega Six Flags Over Jesus churches we were pretty much forced to join. And I'm an atheist, haha. Our upline was huge on the pressure to attend all the services and classes at that church throughout the week. And to embrace the Christian nationalism this church spouted. Our upline also tried to keep us separated from our non Amway friends. The were lots of Amway social events we felt we had to attend, which left no time for an outside life. And we were told the usual mlm garbage that if family and friend's weren't in it with us, they were a negative in our lives. I knew this was a scam, but my gullible partner had a father that was super rich from being involved from the beginning for a number of MLM'S. Anyway, I can easily believe the parents in this story staying in for thirty years. It can easily become your whole life and all you know. Pure cult crap. Thank you for all this great work, Hannah. I'll write out my many, many idiot MLM stories dating back to the early 1970's for you when I have the time.
"Six Flags Over Jesus" 💀
Cap? There is no cap on how much you can earn.
@@LSuschena As i recall, if you had filled all your legs, maybe it was called, and they filled all of theirs, it did top out. We were flat out told that real money, the big money, was in the instructional materials, the tapes in particular.
@@shelby477
Fill your legs and they fill theirs?
Never heard of that.
There is no limit on how many legs you can have or how deep the legs can be. If you sponsored 6 people and they sponsored six, all you have is a bunch of sponsored people. The company doesn’t pay for sponsoring people, they pay for products sold every month to you and your group.
If you help one of you personal sponsored attain platinum sales, you get a 6% bonus on their volume. If help 3 get to platinum, you earn 3 6% checks plus the Emerald bonus, 6 you earn all that plus the diamond bonus, at 12 you qualify as double diamond, 18 triple diamond, 20 crown, then crown ambassador.
If a diamond earns about $250,000/year, what does a crown earn?
There is no limit on income because there is no limit on how big an organization you can build.
Yes, there is money made on books and tapes, but that doesn’t replace their AmWay income, who ever told you had was not truthful.
Books and tapes are education, your annual cost about $800. Success people people teach you how to build a business based in person experience. How much does a college degree in Business cost you, how about an MBA? Tens of thousands, and most of the college professors has ever started or run a successful multi-million dollar business, they can only teach the theory of business, and you don’t make any money until you graduate and borrow tens of thousands and invest your own money into starting a business that has no guarantee of success.
Be well.
@@LSuschena Oh dear, do you actually think i care about the details of a scam company i tried for a while over 20 years ago?. I probably forget the details. You pointed out what a diamond tops at, but i was making the point that the big money was made off of the tapes. Which you are required to buy,. Those tapes or cd's were just rah rah get you excited stories. There was never any new information there. You are defending the indefensible. Read the financial statements to find out just how likely you are to make diamond. Which I'm positive you are not. Because you wouldn't have the time to be watching TH-cam. You'd be making calls, giving prospects a presentation or going to church. All while working your full time job. I'm truly sorry if you are involved with them. I fell for it also, so no shame from me. Just please get the real info and save yourself from losing an arm and a leg. Please.
Savanah just had a live last night for YL That Oil Show. In that show, one woman (that sells this) tricked her husband saying her oil was a special lube for bedroom time for him to get this specific oil on his body parts. 😮 Apparently it was an oil to help liver function. AND she filmed this story WHILE she was driving with no seat belt on while the seat belt alarm dinged the whole time in the video. Crazy!!!
That's crazy!!!! So deceiving! I wouldn't want that special "lube" from my partners items, in my items leading to infections?? What the hell
That had to have been irritating and painful, for both parties!!
Why didn't she just wear a seatbelt?
Holy crap
@@emmestein I know! It was crazy! I don’t know why they chose this video to show as a fail for just the oils, but it failed to the max!
You do sometimes get franchises in really close proximity, but it's usually something like a bunch Starbucks in Manhattan, where they're not just selling coffee, but also a place to sit, and probably wifi access and the ability to charge electronics, in a crowded urban area.
Starbucks isn't using the franchise model though. They are only corporate
I worked for a civil engineering firm, and certain companies only want to be around certain other companies, like we had Chick-fil-A as a client and they had a list of other fast food places they would build next to.
The roommate story happened when they were mormon missionaries, if you know anything about mormon missions, they aren't allowed to be out of sight of their partner EVER. They are also encouraged to make sure they're both being faithful enough and following all the rules. All of that on the surface is extremely ridgid, I cant imagine having to deal with constantly being in her BO. Mormanism is also known for crossing personal boundaries most people have, which is probably why her roommate felt she could violate her like that.
I'm Mormon, it is not part of our culture to go beyond personal space, but I have met plenty of missionaries who do anyway. They become almost aggressive in their mission, like they need to prove something. We are aware of them, but they don't speak for all of us 😂
I woke up with a vestibular migraine this morning and can’t do a lot or listen/watch much either. You’ve made my day with a long entertaining video and your calm voice and cadence. Thank you so much.
This might sound a bit strange, but thank you for mentioning vestibular migraines. I've been trying to figure out what my migraines even were (they're a touch atypical, at least as far as I understand), and after some research, I think those could be the ones I have. I'm going to talk to my doctor about it. Thank you again. I hope you can find relief; migraines are awful to experience.
I hope you're feeling better, VM sucks
@@orchidcolors Not at all strange! It’s a comfort to come across someone I can relate to as well, even though I’d never wish this on anyone. In my experience, a most people don’t understand migraines especially when they’re chronic. People liken them to headaches and are dismissive of how unalike they are. “They can’t be that bad. I still work when I have a headache. Why aren’t you better?” We don’t really get cured, so hopefully we can find something that will manage them. Migraines can really make you feel isolated and lonely on top of the pain and all of the other symptoms, so it means a lot to me that you replied. Thank you, and I wish you the best for your health too. ♥️
That Amway story is pretty consistent with what my friends have experienced. I have several different friends that got into the World Wide branch and it literally ruined all of their finances, tore up marriages and ripped up part my church as a result. It seems that the World Wide branch is closely connected with religion in a sketchy way. One friend said that the conferences were "like going to church" the speaker would give a "sermon" and people would cry and then dedicate their lives to Christ while they're being told this is what God wants for them. Then they were also told that they had to put the "business first" because not only is it what God wants for them but if they didn't they weren't working hard enough to get the results that God wanted to "bless them with". This meant that they started using all their time and relationships at our (real) church to pitch the products and the business. It ruined a couple of different ministries and got to the point that the youth pastor left the church because he was told he couldn't pitch the business during church events anymore because his business is not what church is supposed to be about. It left a giant hole in the kids that he had built a relationship with and the ones that stuck around afterwards still have trust issues. The whole thing was difficult and heart breaking. Before the fallout the biggest red flag to me was that my friends who got roped into it, were putting this business before everything else in their life and it essentially became their religion, which is ironically the exact opposite of what we believe God wants for us. They couldn't even see it until the major fallout. I had other friends from a separate social group that got involved and after, again being told that they're doing what God wants and putting the business before all else, ruined their finances and almost got a divorce over it. Two of my other friends almost didn't get married because she was concerned about her future husband spending $400 a month on these products that they couldn't afford all for some future "financial gain" and "time freedom" that she knew would never come. My best friend got roped into it too and she was told by her upline that she had to come to this conference in another city across the state. Her request for time off was decline and she had no sick time left but she was told that if she were really motivated to succeed in this "business" then she would do whatever it took to make it to this conference, including calling in sick even if that time was unpaid because the conference was an "investment" she couldn't afford to miss. She was expected to call in and listen to the motivational messages everyday at ridiculous hours in order to "succeed", she was told to read all those books that were listed out and used all the phrases that were listed out in the story here. I had another friend try to pitch me the business and when I asked her what the business was, all she could tell me was that it was "a business opportunity that would give you the time freedom and ability to retire early that we all want" but got mad when I pressed her for business logistics like, how to make money. When I figured out it was actually Amway and asked why it's called World Wide and not Amway, I was told vehemently that it's not Amway because Amway was a scam and things have changed since Amway but that it's definitely not Amway. Sorry for the long comment, I guess this turned into a mini horror story. I didn't realize how deeply this particular scam affected me and the people around me until I wrote this out. I've had other friends and co-workers pitch me for Younique, do-terra, it works, beach body, AdvoCare, LuLaRoe and probably others that I can't remember aside from my own experience in Mary Kay. At this point I can't even trust the friend requests and messages that come my way anymore because of how many "hey Hun" type messages I get. It is heart breaking and actually causes me anxiety when someone wants to "reconnect" anymore. Thank you for doing what you do and having the courage to speak out. I wish I had your content a long time ago, perhaps it could have saved some heart break.
I come back every night to re-listen to your horror story videos 😂❤ I love how level headed you are Hannah!
Hope you're safe and sound, Hannah. Last night was...unpleasant.
yeah,..
It is interesting how MLMs appeal to people involved in other cults cults (Mormonism, Health & Wealth Gospel, etc.).
Well, I respect your experience, but having had experiences with super dangerous, terrifying, actual cults, I find Mormons to be pretty chill. I don't think it's fair to generalize them.
Oh my goodness!! The Amway story brought back so many memories. My husband and I were in Amway in the mid 90s. We were in the World Wide Dream Builders group, went to the conferences, and I'm pretty sure we had CDs of The Goads!! We had all of the books mentioned as well. We never did well and were not in long. I am swimming in memories right now!! 😳
I've been craving another horror stories video! Perfect timing to listen while in the preschool pick up line :)
I love when I see a new horror stories video pop up! Thanks for continuing to make so much great content ❤
I was in Amway with WWDB back in the early 2000s. I left shortly after they introduced Perfect Water. I didn't understand what was so special about it then and I definitely think it's a bunch of woo now. While I liked some of the products others I didn't. My ex and I spent a lot of money we didn't have trying to make the business work. I always felt kinda scummy trying to sell people on the products and the dream. We only stayed in for about 3-4 years and only because the men had a positive impact on my husband and I enjoyed several of the personal enrichment books that I read, one of which really changed my look on things. I met some great people, however, I'm only in contact with two of them anymore.
My parents were in Amway in the 90s (we lived within 30 miles of the headquarters/the city it was founded in) because they weren't successful and quit the "business" a year or so after joining because we are not a family with sales skills at all lol I asked my mom about the expired products and empty spray bottles in my childhood bathroom closet and she still denies that it's a pyramid scheme but I'm glad they didn't stay in long and realized that it wasn't a financially feasible business (My dad should know better, he's a business accountant and my mom was a SAHM with 4 kids). Go away Scamway
My mom was in Amway too in the past. Held parties, tried to sell and spend loads on all those seminares & cds cause she truly believed it was a good investment and she was gonna get god finances later. (She have always been poor). Never happend, shes not a sale person and she also fully denies it was a pyramid scheme and do still believe they have superior products with ingredients you cant find in any other product on the market cause Amway said so. Sure, some of their products was good, but nothing better than other products you could find somewhere else. Not the last time she was scammed either.
I’m just uncomfortably squirming in my seat and feeling embarrassed (constantly pausing, too) as you talk about Amway products and go over the details of Perfect water… these were things I was very involved in during my 7 years in that cult. For perfect water, we used to have this demo where we would try to get someone’s knees to buckle by pressing down on their shoulders, and have them drink perfect water, and try pressing down again, and suddenly your knees wouldn’t bend because perfect water’s ✨magical science✨ instantly improves your body. Barf.
The girl with the roommate is so right about utahs ridiculous amount of mlms 🤦♀️😅
Yeah, I think it's at least partly because the MLMs target moms who want to stay home with their kids, and want a side gig. And because so many people are MLMs, it's actually hard to point out the issues with such companies, because you're going to offend a million people.
I remember being in World Wide DreamBuilders and how they told us to stop thinking and use your mentors brain instead. This translates to stop questioning and do what you’re told. I also remember Brad Duncan, a diamond, say to basically recruit the hispanics, blacks, and Asians cuz we have a lot of family. Getting out of the cult was so surreal because of how brainwashed I was. It took almost a year or so to feel like myself again and to not feel like a failure cuz I quit. Sometimes, when you quit, you gain something back.
@chelybee I was in WWDB too - I know who Brad Duncan is - but was not in very deep, so don’t have the negative experiences that a lot of people commenting seems to have had. I’m sorry your experience and the experience of so many here was negative. I can see what you all are saying though, as I had doubts about some of their tactics. I still have friends in it, but we don’t talk a lot about that, although I will buy a few items every now and then for the quality. I’m glad you were able to come out of the whole experience and regain your life back.
OMG The amway story hit home so hard. I remember many of my family members falling into that and so many other schemes. They were all struggling financially, and it’s just so predatory. I remember the “work for yourself” “run your own business” line being presented as THE DREAM we were all supposed to have. The vilification of corporate jobs was pretty icky especially since most of the people selling that narrative were actually funding their MLM “work” through their spouse’s full time corporate job.
I never wanted to sell things, so it just didn’t resonate. Instead of accepting me for who I am, my MLM family members and friends tried to change me into someone that would be interested.
17:20 Hannah, the fact you were able to read thru this story without bursting into uncontrollable laughter when reading each new thing the hunbot companion did is a miracle. I have a feeling I would've been unable to finish while keeping a straight face.
A woo prone mom in my neighborhood showed up with some magic stickers that she claimed made you stronger, better, faster and more balanced. She wasn’t trying to sell them (although it’s entirely possible she bought them from an MLM rep), she just gets suckered by all of this stupid stuff. She also told me how her mom and aunts needed to do a spiritual cleansing on her brother bc clearly the reason he kept making such bad/selfish life choices was bc of evil spirits.
Crystal deodorant is genuinely a thing. Its far more common in Europe than in America, and I only discovered it once I moved to Europe. It actually works really well! It is basically a salt crystal that helps to absorb moisture so that bacteria has more trouble growing. It sounds like the girl just really needed to wash better or the Doterra branded one has some bizarre formula that doesnt actually work.
I wouldn't be shocked if Dotera just used really crap ingredients for it.
I've tried a salt crystal like that, but it just did NOT work for me. 5 min after I put it on i smelled strongly of sweat. I dont even do that if I dont use any and the crystal didnt smell like anything when I smelled it to se if it was that. It just crashed with my bodys own bacterias(?) under my armpit.
a downside of crystal deodorant is that it's *very* light and has zero effect whatsoever on people who produce more sweat
@@scarofmanleavethembehind I've used the crystal from a drug store. I didnt like it you have to apply it wet. I use a natural deodorant from a local company but they had a very good blog post saying that it takes at least 2 weeks to get your body used to it and to get the old chemical one out of your system. It did take 2 weeks but it works great. I even went to Florida with say dove and my bare organics deodorant. Bare organics preformed so much better. I wonder if the crystal would be the same.
@@meganheartswell I did aply the crystal wet and used it for weeks. Stunk of sweat within 5 min still. Just didnt match with my body.
My mom did Amway for like half a year. A woman in our community recruited a bunch of people and when they we’re helping my mom make her monthly purchase because she was having some trouble, when she didn’t purchase enough yet, one of the ladies told her to get hairspray. I said, “we already found a hairspray product that we love”. She looked at me annoyed and said, “So get used to this product now!” That’s when I knew it was funny business, and I was in my early teens. First they were advertising about their superior products but when you have something better, you just have to suck it up and use Amway anyway 😂
That roommate one had me 😨😵💫. How the author refrained from backhanding her, I don't know.
FYI about Amway- they recruit on LinkedIn. When I had just graduated college one of their sales people messaged me about a “job opportunity” and said I’d be “great at what they do.” I ignored it bc this person wasn’t from my area and after googling the company I was like “Yup that sounds awful!”
You can report them on LinkedIn. If it is recent and you still know the post , you can report them and get it taken down.
@@kierstinl3787 yes was going to say this, it’s against LinkedIn’s TOS to post MLM junk
Found you like 2 weeks ago and I’m OBSESSED! I can’t stop, didn’t even know their was an anti MLM community. I’m normally a watch true crime and nothing else but I can’t stop watching all your vids … I’m scared of them running out and having to wait for new ones 😂😂
Im in AUstralia and it brings up all the MLMs I’ve forgotten existed 😅
You seem so sweet and I love how you talk through everything and explain it’s soo interesting and you do it so well 🥰 thanks for the content!
That girl rubbing oil on her roommate would have gotten kicked in the face the very first time it happened.
I'm so glad you made the point that not every woman wants to be a stay-at-home-mom, and that not every woman even wants to have kids (congratulations on the pregnancy, by the way). I love working with kids, have made it my whole career, but I'm totally fine not coming home to them every night. Some people absolutely do not understand this and will go out of their way to manipulate and guilt me into having a whole gaggle of children just because it's been ingrained into society to believe this way. It absolutely astounds me how many people tell me I should have a child because "I'd make a great mom," and then are shocked when I'm like, "Nah, I'm good. I have other goals in life."
I also see the absolute worst society has to offer when it comes to parents, and I am fully willing to acknowledge that may be a large factor in me not wanting to have children of my own.
Thank you for doing these vids. I realize I've been surrounded by MLMs my whole life and I won't engage in any of them and will be wary of any "business" anyone offers me. Best of luck on the pregnancy journey. I had the roughest third trimester but I had twins. I know that is one lucky kiddo with you as the mom and AJ as the dad. Best of luck and have a great day!!
Pre-Quixtar Amway veteran here! I was attached to INA (International Networking Association) which was a sister organization to WWDB.I have a great story but it'll take me awhile to condense it.
Looking forward to your story Xan!
OMG! I heard a mention of The Goads and remembered something from many years ago. I worked for Family Christian Stores as a stock/sales clerk and manager. A couple of people asked me if we carried The Goads on cassette or CD. I was seen a music guy so many questions were asked over the years. I never knew of their connection to Amway, holy cow.
I have been watching for several days waiting for something discussing Younique, I'm glad this one was on my list this morning. When I was in a very dark place in my life, I tried to run several different MLMs, my last was Younique. While I did like several of the products, I left when it was costing my family to promote my upline and watch her get all kinds of awesome kudos and nothing to be trickling down. I was very "pro" the business. I fell for the sappy "beginning story" that I'll bet never actually happened. I hate hearing that there are people out their exploiting God and the Bible to con others into anything, but specifically an MLM brand, and their faulty claims. If I spent enough time, I could probably send you endless stories about the 3 MLMs that I tried to run a business through. Thank you for putting out the content ❤
The missionary girl reads to me as a girl who’s MOM was in doterra, and she grew up wholeheartedly believing these oils as her family taught her all these lies about them. She probably genuinely believed in the reality she was raised in, however outside of actual reality it was.
When you think about it, it’s really quite disgusting that that is even possible. Even as a grown adult she has such a skewed understanding of how everything works all because of her parents’ belief in pseudoscience. (If that is indeed the case)
Yes. I agree. It is very sad that she thought it was okay to behave that way. I know a lady who belongs to the Doterra cult and she rubs oils on strangers sometimes. She has also not taken her children to the doctor and "cured" them with oils.
Oxygen rich Perfect Water - now with an oxygen atom for every two hydrogen atoms! And unlike our competitor (tap water) our oxygen is very stable - no fission happening in *our* glasses of water!
Amway (Nutrilite) consultants are saying that pregnant woman can drink the energy drinks. Amway website says ‘not recommended’ for pregnant woman. 😵💫
Amway used to peddle their in-house brand candies and snacks at one point. When my family would visit a certain household, the mom would always slip me a pack of bubble gum or a cheetos type snack as the adults chatted away.
I just found your channel a couple days ago and I have been watching the shit out of your content! You are so entertaining and it's like you are saying everything I'm thinking while reacting to the Huns!!! Keep up the great work
Omg. I am a child of 30 year Amway members. My parents were teachers with four kids and budget was tight! They were preyed upon and spent so much money on the quarterly rallies (which we loved going to a kids, because that meant vacation.), products, useless motivational materials. They STILL use some of the products, but never made a dime.
I was most surprised that mormon missionaries have to rely on savings when they're on a mission💀 like thats crazy theyre doing hundreds of hours of unpaid labor and the church can even give them allowance for groceries
Small detail, but crystal deodorant isn't like an actual rock. It's crystallized salts. You rub it on with water and the minerals transfer. There is a learning curve because you have to start with washed arm pits and the skin has to fully dry after application. There's a lot of user error, but it is a legitimate alternative to traditional deodorant. It lasts for about 24 hours to prevent odor. It's not for everyone, but the option is there.
It’s all great until it gets musty from never being quite dry, and then your armpits end up smelling like moldy dishcloth! 😬🤣
I was just rewatching the story playlists I really enjoy this series the most
I’m personally not a mom but I think part of the appeal of mlm reps pushing this “stay at home” mom dream heavily relies on the amount of labor working moms are expected to produce by not only providing for their family financially but also taking on domestic labor which is often undervalued or completely ignored.
About Amway: I was also an Amway kid all through the 90's. I was heavily into it emotionally, and had Amway plans of my own for when I became an adult. While I can see now that it is a pyramid scheme, there is so much good that came to our family specifically from being in it. The number one of those things being meeting my now brother in law, who we never would have met otherwise. He's such an incredible person, and we are lucky to have him. Along with this came the drive to push forward and hope for a better life. And there is some go getter attitude that most of our family adopted as a result of years of being heavily involved, and that attitude has extended into other areas of life. Yes, we lost money. No, I would never encourage anyone to join now. None of my family is still affiliated with Amway, and I wouldn't want them to be. But there are some things I miss. Emotionally, as well as some products. Gum, toothpaste, and mouthwash, for instance. Not much besides that.
I got roped into Young Living by a relative. She took some of the money we gave her for a used car they sold us, bought a Young Living kit in my name, then handed it to me so she could claim me for her downline.
I read the materials that came with them, read them again, and decided there was no way in heck I could make money doing this. I used the oils for medicinal stuff for awhile, but it gradually dawned on me that they don't really do anything unless it's a zit or a bug bite, or to smell nice.
Not finished watching (story 2), what if Kaitlyn used an oil the mission partner was allergic to while she was sleeping😬😭
I thought the same thing. I don't know if you're old enough to remember this. Back in the day when you'd walk through a department store, the ladies at the make-up counter would spray you with perfume. The make-up area was in the middle of the store; It was hard to go into the mall without going through that area. Certain smells give me severe headaches. Others can exacerbate my asthma.
@@janejones7638 I agree. Heavy perfumes put me in an awful coughing spree. I can't breathe and have to hurry to get away from the smell.
@@janejones7638 I more than remember! Diagnosed migraines at 6 asthma from newborn. I absolutely hated those parts of malls and stores😮💨
You might be able to claim poisoning.
When I was a kid in the 90s, my parents got into Amway. They changed all of our shampoo to Amway. It was a terrible product. I had really bad and frizzy as a kid. Thanks Amway...
I was just scrolling through YT looking for something to watch while I make breakfast! Perfect timing! Thank you for taking some of the monotony out of my day!💗
PAUSE EVERYTHING! Hannah has posted a video 🎉
When I was in college I had someone try to recruit me to I think amway but they never said the company name. The way she explained it was all I had to do was change the way I buy things and I’m like how am I making money if I’m spending money and there’s no outside source of money? Anyway she got mad and I left.
My husband tried Amway once and I was skeptical of the opportunity when he first brought it up but I hadn't heard of Amway and I wanted to be supportive. After a few meetings I was like hmmm so I looked it up and was like what the heck is this 🤣 my husband didn't last too long after that! His ultimate decision to stop was after they tried to get us to only use their products, my husband offered it to his mom and she was like this stuff is crap 😭😭 we still joke about it til this day!
I find the Monat stories so fascinating; because the idea of a "hair diet" or beauty regime its so alien to me (aside from having an actual healthy diet, and choosing products that are right for your hair type). I kinda feel these "hair regimes" are a weird offshoot of celebrity hairdresser brand cult back in the 90's; same as weight-loss MLMs are still surfing the extreme thiness media culture of that era.
I don’t know if you have done a video talking about the MLMs opening oysters live. They are all over my feed on Tiktok.
OMG! The Goads sang at my church when I was a kid..... what a blast from the past.
The test mentioned in Story 3 of pulling on someone's arm and then having them drink the product and showing how much "stronger" they are sounds like it's actually a form of applied kinesiology. More than just being more prepared to resist the second time (though that's part of it) Applied Kinesiology (not the same as the college major/area of study with a similar name) often uses physics to make it appear that something has made you stronger. In the most popular tests they push you or pull you at one angle that is very hard to resist with your center of balance, and then after giving the product or service they're touting they do it again pushing from a slightly different angle that is significantly easier to resist. Applied kinesiology "tests" are used to "prove" all sorts of scammy alternative medicine claims from supplements to refllexology to crystal healing. Notably, it is almost impossible to do applied kinesiology (or at least do it in a way that works) without knowing what you are doing, and it can be a useful way to tell if a practicioner or salesperson or whathaveyou knows that they're scamming you.
If I remember correctly, Oh No Ross and Carrie (great podcast, they investigate fringe science spirituality and claims of the paranormal so you don't have to and as such have covered some MLMs before since a lot of them are psuedosciency in nature) had a great explanation of how applied kinesiology works in their episode on Reflexology, googling the podcast name+reflexology should get you there with the first result. Alternately the wikipedia article gives a little background as well. In general tests like this are a great red flag especially for anything making health claims.
The description of the perfect water is one of the most absurd things I’ve ever heard.
I kept getting added to FB groups for people I went to school with (or in one case their girlfriend) who were in MLMs. Blocking is so satisfying, the worst was from people selling Younique who know I don’t wear make up.
a day with a hannah video is always a good day
This was a juicy one! Big thanks to Hannah and to all the horror story tellers.
Ur channel is amazing. U have equipped me with lots of great info and tools to fight back wen mlm "hons" throw their pitch.
I was suckered into Amway many years ago by a friend.
I did like a few of their products, but the rest of them weren’t so great. And even though the quality of the majority of the products were poor, you were paying top dollar for them!
It wasn’t long before I quit.
Omg finally a quickstar story! I will send in my own story one of these days. Love you Hannah!
My parents were in Amway when I was young and they thad the Goads tapes haha. So thankful they got out of that before it did too much damage.
I have a friend who is a hairstylist and she became a Monat hun and I’ve always been so confused how she can puddles such shitty products when she’s a professional and knows better. Like, she went to school for this she should know better I don’t understand why she continues to believe that Monat is such a miracle product.
It's especially interesting to me that in Story 3 (20:47) the reps *had* to attend Amway meetings multiple nights a week. I have a friend who got out of a religious cult relatively recently and, aside from being encouraged to sleep very few hours every night, most of his evenings were taken up doing mandatory "Bible" study.
By reducing his mental functioning through a lack of proper rest and impeding his ability to make friends outside of the cult, they were trying their very best to prevent him from realising the truth.
Thanks for your work, Hannah!
The "stay at home mom" angle might be why I've never been suckered into an MLM. That was definitely never my dream, so it was a useless pitch. I'm 43, no kids, no regrets.
Hi thank you for making these videos. I hope you're feeling better with your pregnancy.
Thank you for another video. Adore your content! Keep up the great work!
I listen to these videos while working on uni homework, and my cat really likes to sit beside me while I do it. Just spent a good five minutes looking for her because I heard her little 'mrrp' noises, only to realize it was Zeke!
I have a comment and a question. My sister gave me Crystal deodorant years ago. It's like a huge block of salt that did nothing. Your story talked about putting crystals on the armpit. I think it was a brand name though. Question: Is 31...gifts or bags... a mlm? It has personalized bags and items of all sizes. It's kinda funny seeing so many companies we grew up with, Amway, Tupperware, Avon, Kirby vacuums, we all knew someone who sold them.
Yes. 31 is an MLM. I had several friends selling it.
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as is the girl in the 2nd story. My son is on a mission for the Church as well. If his companion rubbed him with oils, I would be furious! I would have made it 4 days as her companion. Jesus made poison ivy, too. I am NOT going to rub it on me either!
Yes. I was shocked hearing that story. I am so surprised the mission president did not intervene. Surely that poor sister missionary complained about her companion behaving that way.
What you said about MLM reps making ridiculous claims is so true...my MIL has a debilitating muscle disease and these Herbalife reps (with medical degrees!!!) Were claiming it would help my MIL with her disease 🙄
I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to watch your 2 videos/lives yesterday before you had to take them down. Be safe! Love you, Hannah! 🙀💖
Okay but that Amway couple sounded like my upline in Amway who’s been a platinum forever 😂
I had to look up The Goads after hearing that they are literally an Amway music group and listened to some of "I'm Going Diamond" and I literally am dead xDDD ngl the song is kind of a banger, but it is so comical that they literally had what sounds like a 70s/80s band make music about the company and opportunity. I have never, and I mean NEVER heard of that regarding an MLM before in my life and I am literally dying of laughter over it.
Omg, I've found a copy of "rich dad poor dad" before! It was left behind at our retail store. I read the cover and back and decided it was junk, and nobody claimed it from our lost and found, so we tossed it 😂
Story 2 was truly chef's kiss worthy 👌
I get so hyped when you upload! I love listening to your videos when I'm in the gym. They just hit different
Today I found out A: how to spell Quixtar (my mom was sadly in that one and I stg it was driving me nuts not being able to recall what it was) and B: it was really Amway……. Unfortunate core memory unlocked
OMG. I could have written that Amway letter and it would have been exactly the same!
In fact I stumbled on this channel about a year ago when I was trying to find the Amway bands online to send to my sisters.
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I’m so glad this came out I just finished all the horror stories 😢
I was part of an MLM and was in the weekly meetings we needed to attend when I witnessed something I thought was questionable. There was a woman who was invited to get a makeover. This makeover was done in front of the consultant's downline supposedly for educational purposes. The consultant then did her business pitch. The woman who got the makeover was hesitant and said her husband wasn't on board with it. The consultant kept pressuring her to join right in front of us. The woman ended up joining because of the pressure. I knew then that I had to get out. I thought that was a jerk move. I was at another location and saw another consultant pressure another person to join even though the person was uncomfortable and clearly didn't want to join. I'm so glad I'm out and in a job I mostly enjoy!
I feel very lucky that I’ve never even been pitched. No one in my family except me even knows what an mlm is or any of the “companies”.