SMT: Nocturne Hardtype - Kagutsuchi/Lucifer (Low Level)
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- Hey Luci, stop hitting yourself
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Rules:
This is a low level run of zombero's hardtype mod: www.romhacking...
The aim is to keep XP gain as low as possible without affecting my sanity.
Hard mode, obviously
No stat boosting items
All other game mechanics are fair game!
Hardtype changes:
Kagutsuchi HP (both phases): 20000 → 40000
Megidola → Megidolaon
Phase Shift → Omnipotence (Raises all stats 6 stages)
He now has Antichthon (Heavy almighty dmg + lowers all stats 1 stage)
Vast Light now deals more dmg + removes all -kaja effects
Infinite Light now removes all -kaja/-kunda effects + heals
Lucifer's attack now drains 166 MP and always crits
Prominence → Phlegethon (Severe AoE fire dmg + lowers attack 1 stage)
Mabufudyne → Judecca Tomb (Severe AoE ice dmg + petrify)
Glacial Blast/Megidola/Megidolaon → Carnal Winds (Severe AoE force dmg + charm)/Weeping Heaven (Severe AoE elec dmg + ?)/Hades Blast
Diarama now heals considerably more
Evil Gleam now deals almighty damage and inflicts panic
High King now inflicts mute (is this new?)
Root of Evil now lowers all stats 4 stages (+ should inflict death?)
There was always going to be some tradeoff in choosing my final Demi build, and giving up Life Bonus gave disco ball 2 distinct ways to kill me even at max buffs. In phase 1, if the moon phase is at 6/8 and he uses Omnipotence into a regular attack this can OHKO. Not overly likely, you'd think, but it was actually the most common cause of death here - 4 times in a damn row. Secondly, Infinite Light's max damage roll seems to be bang on 700, meaning every time he uses it there's a ~2-3% chance we wipe. WHAT FUN. However, it's still hard to say what else I should've ditched, as the Luci fight requires all 4 element reduction passives and Life Gain.
That aside, it's actually a fairly basic battle of fishing for Mjolnir shocks and landing hefty focussed crits. At this point I abandoned most buffs and just farmed Luster Candies, allowing me to fill out the team's skill slots with repels so we don't get screwed by those Dragon Eye turns in phase 2. Try to go into this phase with everyone in good shape with buffs + Focus so you can deal as much damage as possible ASAP. If he starts spamming Infinite Light it becomes difficult to substantially outpace his healing because of the amount of buff management needed (physical skills are useless too because the HP cost means we then die to IL.) It's just a case of waiting for good openings to attack. You can see I only bother using a second candy if he doesn't immediately recharge IL, otherwise I stick with Rakukaja.
As for Luci... anyone who knows hardtype knew this was coming, but it's still kind of pitiful to behold. Zombero gave him many new toys - it's basically a completely different battle - but the most noteworthy of these are the insane elemental spells he has. This is why Demi is carrying every element reduction passive, it's why I've been fishing for repel morphs, and it's why this battle is something of an anticlimax.
Arahabaki is a no brainer here, as he can repel x1.5 damage on 3 elements thanks to his weaknesses. The healer however was tricky. Luci inflicts all kinds of status so a fast Prayerbot is essential, but there wasn't a way to make one with all the necessary repels. Instead I decided to make 2 healers with Endure, and swap between them whenever it pops. This also handily solves the problem of him messing up your team with ailments and draining your healer's MP. He can only pop Endure with skills that immediately end his turn (since they can come in and tank Evil Gleam/High King at +0 defence) so they are basically invulnerable. Ice Repel blocks the petrify effect of Judecca Tomb, and their ailment immunity protects them from the rest.
Jikoku was used for Dekunda as well as his Void Death passive, although this turned out to be unnecessary. Apparently RoE is supposed to inflict death but it doesn't seem to here. I don't know if this was removed or is simply a bug, but it doesn't change too much. I would've just built my healers with Void Death instead of Ice Repel.
So yeah, the fight is mostly just waiting for Luci to kill himself. I fire off Divine Shots when there's a chance to (or regular attacks if there's no time to heal.) Once the 2nd phase hits (after dealing ~20k damage) it's essential to end every round at full HP with the team at +2 def and Luci at -2 atk. There's a lot of buff management and MP healing in this phase but just wait it out and you most likely win. The only ways he can kill us are with janky stuff like double almighty spells in the same round (Evil Gleam/High King) or one of these with a Hades Blast crit, but these are pretty rare scenarios. I stand by keeping Anti-Elec, because High King into Weeping Heaven seems to be a common combo that risks killing us if we had Life Bonus instead.
Idk if you will reply this but i'm gonna ask you anyway. What do you think of this mod? What you like and dislike of this mod? Also how about vanilla nocturne that you like and dislike comparing to this mod?
I may put up a review vid at some point but many of the things I love are so intuitive I actually barely remember that they weren't in the original game, I'm basically just reading off the list of patch notes: Phys/mag rebalance, being able to see level-up skills, demon switching in and out and for only half a press turn, the way shock/freeze work, increased MP pools, 2 stage buff cap, Dante not being terrible, XP for unused demons, Geis being buyable, shop prices being reduced, Mitama and fiends being nerfed, all the new skills. All of these are vast improvements that fundamentally affect how the game feels to play
The main thing I don't like (random skill inheritance, still dreadful) is more a limitation of what one can do with these kind of mods. So sticking purely to things that were design choices: I hate the Trafuri removal for obvious reasons, the Estoma nerf seems pointless given that its main use is to make backtracking less tedious, and of course the HP bloat is too much at times (although somewhat overstated, it makes sense that bosses need more HP given that this is a difficulty mod and with the way buffs work now, but I would reduce most HP pools by like ~30% personally). Some bosses could definitely use some general re-imagining too, especially Ahriman and Noah!
*tl;dr it's rly gud*
@@JimReaperSaysUnsubscribe Will you now be continuing doing DDS low level run because I want to see your suffering I mean hard work and effort defeating Satan
As someone who played hard type as it is (not as a LL play through) this mod is phenomenal. The three things they lack are all modern additions, which are mind charge/concentrate (which simply didn't exist in the code so had no way to be added into the game), Doping (an active skill to increase max HP), and choose able skill inheritance. Every other possible downsides are either design choices or system limitations. While I personally disagree with the buff/debuff cap, it still made things interesting. While I really hate the mitama nerfs it at least made sense. Random skill inheritance... I don't think I need to mention that.
Tldr, SMT 3 hard type is better than smt4 and smt4A combined.
i reallllllllyyyyyyy hope that the hardtype changes will be possible to mod into the steam version where hopefully some of it's kinks (like the estoma nerf, wtf) can be ironed out a bit
@@CryonicCy It's coming, although these next few weeks are kinda busy for me but I'm hoping to get it done before Nocturne HD drops
Lucifer: HIGH KING
Jim Reaper: LOW LEVEL KING
Godot being based
This is literally Godot's humor in aa3
sober king
*LFG*
After last weekend's disaster, I loaded it up today and got em first try. Honestly these fights weren't even the most annoying thing in the run (that honour would go to Dante, or Black Rider, or Metatron, or resetting endlessly for that early Debilitate morph, or stubbornly fusing with random skill inheritance...) This run was dumb as hell and consumed much of my free time over the past ~6 months but it's a great mod overall and I'm not done with it yet. Plenty more shitposts as well as actual gameplay content to come. Oh yeah, and the Nozuchi in the room - DDS2. Will it ever be completed? Unsubscribe to find out!
Big thanks to everyone watching and especially those of you who comment. It's always amazing to me that content this niche and erratically uploaded has a following at all but there you go ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
EDIT: had to take this out of the description cuz I hit the character limit, but re: the Chimera I never used. This was in case Luci used RoE & Dekunda in the same turn, so he could come in and War Cry (Debilitate wouldn't cut it in this scenario) but that never happened. Also in my initial test run I brought 25 Luster Candies and ran out half way through Luci, but of course the extras I then farmed never got used either :^)
How about Low Level Persona 3? That’s something you can do before finishing DDS2
Your videos have inspired me to do another run. I have not finished my last normal run but I still want to out of nostalgia's sake. Thank you for putting in the effort of completing this challenge.
U N S U B S C R I B E
Your videos have helped my hype grow for the remaster, man.
the intro song, simply perfect
"Hardtype died, and Hardtype was given life."
never forget
@17:15 When Arahabaki casts a spell, he says "That's EPIC"
Much like Jim
As someone who plays a lot of SMT IV the decision to add luster candy as a consumable item rather than a spell was really intelligent on Zombero's part. It helps to prevent the endless buff spam that SMT IV's late game becomes.
It's also referencing the fact that Luster Candy was an item before it was a spell.
@@manuelmateo3392 Yeah. I hadn't seen much of the classic Megaten games when I first wrote this comment.
@@totaldestruction152 Nah, it's cool.
I mean, it only goes up to +2 anyways.
RIP Hardtype. Sidenote, I love the changed names in Lucifer's skillset! As well as all of the new skills!
Yea, I guess zombero came up with these himself. Phlegethon appears in other SMT but the rest seem to be new.
To add on to what Jim said, Phlegethon was only used in SMT Imagine, as an exclusive skill to Asura Cerberus. (A similarly named skill, Pyriphlegethon, was used in DDS as well as Imagine.)
I visibly pogged when "Judecca Tomb" popped up and was even more surprised to find it was an original name
@@JimReaperSaysUnsubscribe I've been doing a Hard NG+ playthrough in which Demi-fiend is low in level but high-level compendium demons are fair game, and I'm starting to believe that the TDE path might be the only one in which this kind of run is even possible. If there's another, it _miiiiight_ be Rejection/Demon (due to Kagutsuchi not even fighting you, and the fact that Ahriman's Megidolaon can technically be dodged)...?
Update: level 45 Demi-Fiend can _barely_ survive lower Vast Light damage rolls with +2 Heat Riser while Kagutsuchi is -2 in everything. But Infinite Light is unsurvivable without the Endure and/or Life Gain that can't be legitimately learned at this level, so the only real solution I know of is to beat him/it to the punch with level 200+ demons that all have Focus, Avenge, high-crit attacks (although magic could _maybe_ be workable...). Obviously, the best buff+debuff skills and Dekaja are necessary as well.
great now you can run nocturne for the 592nd time after this
Amongst all these DDS2 comments, I'm just glad to find someone who truly knows me
@@JimReaperSaysUnsubscribe hell yea boi love the nocturne content
Arahabaki confirmed for MVP.
Not even Lucifer could escape his wrath.
Not emotionally prepared for this series to be over it was getting me through lockdown
well, hopefully DDS2 will continue after this
Or he'll abandon it for another run entirely but it's a win win as far as I see
@@dmua9551 the jack bros speedrun emerges.....
Also let me know if you can shed any light on the ? marks in the description (RoE's supposed death effect, and Weeping Heaven's additional effect)
20:08 he muted the targets instead of bind then is that new too?
Not quite one of the ? ones, but it looks like Infinite Light's damage was also nerfed down to the level of Vast Light (probably to balance all the other changes it gained in return). Under these same conditions in the original game (being at +/-2), Infinite Light's damage ceiling would be around 900, making it impossible to survive if Infinite Light had the original game's damage output (where it's twice as powerful as Vast Light).
@@Lotus_RT This is true, although Vast Light is still a tad weaker (doesn't threaten a kill on Demi here)
Although given the way the 1st phase works I guess VL's base power is actually considerably weaker than IL, but its damage is boosted by the moon phase being full.
@@bullblood_fan17 I actually have no idea, I seem to remember Luci could mute you in OG but that might've been with RoE there instead. I'll have to check some old vids
@@JimReaperSaysUnsubscribe He's correct. High King can bind in OG, and RoE could do anything from inflicting damage (combined total chance of 70%) to inflicting Poison, Stun, or Mute (combined total chance of 30%, which each one being 10%; though Ailment immunity can prevent these and thus make RoE have a 30% chance to do nothing to that party member).
Okay, seriously. You dropped this king. 👑 Good job. And I'm sorry about your sanity but you made it. And that's the important part of this journey. GG and congratulations!
Just in time for HD's mods
Hopefully with Nocturne coming to Steam we see a lot more mods. Hardtype was really fun to watch, looking forward to whatever you play next DDS or not.
Not a big commenter kind of guy, but I've loved watching this run. I found your channel like two months after learning what SMT is thanks to Persona 4 Golden on Steam, and watching a lot of your vids helped get me into the series as a whole. Thanks, Jim.
There's something about Wu Kong's physical attacks showing his Power Pole poking Kagutsuchi 20 feet away from him that I can't help but love.
Congrats, you're free...for now.
Having Lucifer's physical attack Drain MP rather than do actual Damage is fucking terrifying
Could be worse.
@@manuelmateo3392 If it drains MP and also deals damage then I'd just fuck off. No way I'm dealing with that shit.
Shit is just MEAN.
honestly the crits from his basic attack is much worse.
It was a bumpy ride and in a sense hardtype is not much of a hardtype but a "fairtype" but it was nice seeing this task accomplished.
After grabbing all the info about hardtype with this series i was gonna tackle it myself, just not on low level cuz geez, i still retain a bit of self-preservation to not do that but well, nocturne is coming to steam so i cna wait a little longer for the sake of not emulating it.
Congratulations Jim, it was a great watch and the little quirks hardtype brought sure spiced things up, im always happy to see non "meta" demons being used (outside of arahabaki but come on, he is the real smt protagonist, he HAS to show up).
Now about the DDS2 run....
Just kidding dad, dont beat me.
I just realized how OP Endure is when you switch them around.
you absolute madman, i genuinely can't believe we've actually come this far tbh
can't wait to see the full moon encounters as well, ggs dude
Local bug eater beats up god and the devil while holding back significantly.
Good to see the true protagonist at his full capability.
-game over comp when?-
long lost arahabaki has returned
if luci got given megidola the run would be over
Megidola OP pls nerf
Yes, let's not forget that Mithra's Megidola hits *just as hard as High King* (assuming same buff levels)
YOOOO CONGRATS
now someone needs to make Strange Journey Hardtype
s t o p
Hardtype for every megaten game :)
I no joke hope someone does one for IV. After Medusa the games difficulty just goes downhill, which is pretty disappointing. I'd love to see the game rebalanced so we can get a proper challenge.
shut
@Derpnershly wouldn't it just be strange journey with press turns at that point?
You've done it... 👑
Y'know, playing this Nocturne mod and then playing _Digital Devil Saga_ has made me wish there was a DDS Hardtype (or at least a rebalance mod).
DDS2 offers a lot more challenge.
@@FungalFury I was referring to the duology as a whole.
lets go this was awesome to watch, congrats Jim!
By Asura, by Asura, by Asura! You did it!
Thanks for headsup regarding Endure refreshing when summoned. Had lot of trouble my demons staying alive, even at higher levels. I hadn't built as huge amount of repels etc. (just atleast one per element), and the spells just trucked them.
In the end I remade almost all demons with endure, using Demi and (the other) Dante for damage.
Probably wouldn't have touched the hack either without your playthrough, so thanks for that too!
You absolute madman, anywho kind of excited to see what kind of crazy shenanigans you will end up putting yourself through in the future.
Congratz on the Dub Jim! It was a long time coming, looking forward to whatever challenge you start or finish next! :D
In a the years I've seen Nocturne videos I think this is the first time I've seen Amaterasu used
He did it.
The mad man actually finally finished hardtype low level.
Wild.
Totally wild.
White Rider's laugh when he uses Prayer tho
It's like he knows exactly what kind of trick you are using and rubs it in Lucy's face
Thanks for getting me through the year man, it was great to see you play through this, looking forward to whatever is next!
18:29 we love to see them music syncs
Congratulations, Jim.
Hardtype looks really fun and your knowledge and devotion to the game are super cool, dood.
I still miss dynamic attack sheep
he has a charm that not even legion has
We all do :(
He's one of the full moon encounters though, so we'll see him again. In miniboss form!
At last! Now we can go back to not playing DDS2, just like how YHVH intended.
man this is just too insane. congrats on yet another successful insane challenge run!
Yooooooo GG my dude. This shit was wild to watch. I’ll never be this good at the game, but Def gonna try to do a hard run when Nocturne HD comes out. This is also making me so hype to play other SMTs and doubly so for SMTV. GODD SHIT MY GUY
6:47 watching it now that shock into divine shot was so cool to see
Arahabaki wasn't able to overcome the final boss, my boy...
Yeah he did what
We out here waiting for that absolutely impossible Hardtype Demi-Fiend solo run (with the extra press turn because we're not actually completely crazy yet)
Someone's already trying it, look up Ashcoop
Look up huah man, too. They're farther than I am right now.
@@Ashcoop Thanks for the suggestion, will check out both yours and his channel.
@@Ashcoop Late, but congratulations to both of you for completing the run!
Lucifer sees you he be like "hi king"
Yo, I was just watching a video from a couple of weeks ago! Still, I'm a bit sad because this Hardtype run helped in this pandemmy.
Awesome run, interestingly Lucifer took less time here than in your LL run of the original game
Yep, I was surprised neither of these ended up being the longest fight in the run. That would be Metatron.
If there’s one thing anyone should know about Jim Reaper it’s that he’ll always have Uzume in his party absolutely *stacked* to the nines.
GG Monke, GG Jim, and GG Arahabaki and Ama-bae-rasu
See you when the remaster drops so you can use skill inheritance as an excuse to put off DDS2 for longer xP
Can't wait for the mods.
Kagat's first theme goes SO much harder than his second...
...goddamn disco ball...
Holy shit, Luci died faster than Disco Ball. Congrats for completing your challenge, you deserve it !
Now i wanna cry
mad man did it, good job
Next you should do this really obscure game called Digital Devil Saga 2 I think you'd like it :)
I find it kinda ironic how Luci's greatest danger in this mod is himself. Still, amazing work.
Now we can hope that the LL DDS2 run continues, right?
Right?
Cool playthrough bro
Now get all the burial chamber records low level hardtype while waiting for Nocturne HD Hardtype
"Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series"
That poor disco ball. He didn't deserve that kind of treatment.
Finally Jim can get back to DDS2
Carnal wind and weeping heaven are really good name for skills.
YES, congrats Jim
It was an amazing run
Based Arahabaki always comes through!
Never thought I'd see the day.
You are a madman
I can't wait for
SMT: Nocturne Hardtype - Kagutsuchi/Lucifer (Low Level/No Fusion/No Compendium)
hardtype is the beginning and the end of it all
Vanilla lucifer already made me cry, you are an absolute madman lol XD
Congrats on clearing the challenge.
I hope the press cturne system gets brought back in case atlus decides to make another persona spinoff.
Lets just hope it's in smt v for starters
And so the journey came to a glorious end, at which point Dante and his entourage became so powerful they merely had to stand in place and managed buffs to kill the Morningstar. Just thinking of it makes my eyes tear up
What a journey this series was
(Also ARAHABAKI MAKING A RETURN????)
*strange journey
Imagine bosses with Diarahan, next level
Ancient of Days in the SMT4 DLC has diarahan but you can use brand so it only heals 1HP
Lucifer in chronicles maniax uses diarhan
satan in dds2 uses diarahan when you get him to under 3000 health
@@kedzkabum *1500 health
Lucifer himself has diarahan in original Megami Tensei, and in order to defeat him you has to find a way to disable it.
Hardtype status: DEAD
No but seriously, really enjoyed this! Looking for you to return to “you know what” 2 >:)
Hell yes
You madman!
LETS GOOOOOO
The prophecy has been fulfilled
are we not going to talk about the thumbnail
That Arahabaki is making all the shots here
Question: Does Pierce even work with Might?
When I fight Kagutsuchi, I consistently get crits as expected. But when I fight Lucifer I barely get any crits (even when I do, the word "Might" doesn't pop up because Pierce was in effect).
There is an issue with the popup text for passives not stacking, so it may still be in effect even if it doesn't say so. I thought zombero fixed it so all passives like Might, Drain Attack, Pierce etc. stack but it could be bugged.
I am the kaja... I am the kunda...
GG Jim but a little disapointing is that Lucifer takes full damage from his magic attacks.
Congrats!
I can't wait for someone to do Persona 3 Reload low level
(For context, you *actually* grind because min xp only happens when your level is actually above the right point where a boss won't push you past min xp)
Can't wait for DDS2's long awaited return
I sometimes think about what would happen if a persona protag took the place of demifiend, like, I doubt joker would have a shitty time, but it's kinda interesting
You are insane
LETS FUCKING GOOOO
no more nocturne challenges ig... 😔
Now Jim needs to post 2 min videos of easy type
the way it was meant to be played
YEAAAAAAAA
Now jim can finally start the p1 psp run
Jim died and Jim was given life
Congrats! How long did it took on your save?
Clocking in just under 130 hours.
@@JimReaperSaysUnsubscribe How does RoE work exactly? Does it always bring you down to -2 stats? What if you were at 0 stats when he uses it? Do you go down to -4?
@@Ashcoop Yeah it's just a straight -4 from wherever you started. Like 4 Debilitates.
@@JimReaperSaysUnsubscribe oh, that’s actually not as bad as I thought. I was thinking that you might have gone from +4 buff to -4.
that's some eternal zero bullshit
you're the king of smt
wait I just realized something
Amaterasu is technically fighting her *older brother.*
she's fighting george floyd molded into a disco ball
@@marten6578 Shinto myth is more interesting than irl lore.
698 HP ladies and gentlemen
Amazing
Suparna and White Raider vs Lucifer...
Why we are here...
Just to suffer (and heal)
yoooo the timing 18:28
can't believe you fucking did it
Now DDS2 when