Saw this movie when I was 10 in Boston at the sack Cherries theatre in Downtown Boston. Loved it, I did cry at times during it also. Now at 65, lost my Dad to Alzheimer's due to alcohol and blindness 3 yrs ago. He was 89. Just looked at a bunch of film clips of this great movie.
Nancy's death always gets to me, its the scariest death for me as a child even now I still feel sorry for the violence of it. it still makes me shudder to this day.
@@Canuckchick32 I don't really blame Oliver for being that scared. Poor kid. I get that he was scared out of his mind at the moment but he could've taken his chance to run for safety. Other than that, Nancy didn't deserve this kind of death but she did die trying to protect Oliver.
@sharonbeckerle5419 That's true. I felt sorry for Nancy that she died since she was probably the only one sticking up for Oliver especially when she saw that Mr. Brownlow was adopting him, Fagin sent Dodger out to get Oliver back and Nancy said "let him go and enjoy a life of being adopted." When I saw Oliver hugging Nancy, I thought that was sweet but, I'm guessing if he didn't choose to hug her to say goodbye and thank her for the help by not seeing her ever again, he would have made it to the top of the stairs by the time Bill came but, it would be unknown if he ran back down the stairs to save her with Mr. Brownlow following behind Oliver. Plus, when I was watching this movie with other people and when they saw Oliver hugging Nancy they said "quickly run up the stairs and leave." However, I wonder if Bill meant to kill her or not because he had a scared look on his face like he was saying "oh no, I didn't mean to kill her but only tried stopping her" with his look from 1:29-1:31.
@@tristenmoore1275 I agree. I did wonder why Oliver didn't run up the stairs to escape but, I think the reason he didn't was because he was being blocked and prevented from moving since Bullseye the dog was blocking him as seen at 1:33 since Bill held Bullseye responsible for blocking Oliver as seen in the tavern but unfortunately for Oliver, Oliver didn't know that Bullseye turned against his owner Bill.
Bill sikes saying “ Nancy I loved you didn’t I, what have you done to me” IS ABSOLOUTLEY WILD! you kill her then say I loved you then blaming her is absoloutley crazy.
I think Charles Dickens would be pleased at Oliver Reeds performance as Bill Sikes I heard some of the cast say that Oliver was a big man and could be intimidating but he never hurt them but he could be frightening but a great motivator during the scenes. I heard shani who plays Nancy when asked about this scene and how it was filming it she said “It was all done completely in the moment!! There was very little preconceived Direction. Oliver Reed said ‘Do what you want to me, I will be able to defend myself and I will do the rest’ and he was a great motivator. When he grabbed me, I didn’t expect it and that scene just happened!” That's how this scene was done! I also heard that in an interview with Oliver Reed that the journalist said I hated Bill Sikes for what he did to Nancy and Oliver replied saying you were supposed too! It is sad to watch and I think Bill could easily lose his temper fast and he was so used to Nancy going with what ever he said and abusing her but then she started standing up for Oliver even before this scene and he did not like it at all! Even in one scene he said to Nancy I will have no more of that! Bill did not like to be challenged. Even when he hit Nancy in fagins with the boys they just stood up watching from a distance out of fear and Nancy stood up for Oliver far more than fagin or the boys did. She was the only one to challenge Bill and I admire that! Nancy will always be a famous character because domestic violence and abuse is so common and it happens and you usually don't get that in musicals but it was there she is a brave character and so much love to give! Nancy grew up small with Bill and fagin thieving she even says it in a scene and I believe she did not want that kind of life for Oliver! I know I would not like to get into fisticuffs with Oliver Reed as Bill Sykes even bulls eye his best friend ran away even bulls eye had limits and knew justice had to be done for Nancy!
I remember watching this for the first time when I was like 4 with my mum and I said "He's hurt her" because I knew what he did was wrong and my mum said "He's killed her" Might as well get me learning early
The acting from Oliver Reed was phenomenal. Even though he killed Nancy to stop Oliver from being returned to safety, he is haunted with guilt for killing his own domestic partner even though it is implied he abused her. While Sykes was obviously evil, he did show remorse for killing Nancy and knows there's nothing he can do to bring her back and he goes into madness as murdering Nancy has psychologically changed him. And even though he is guilt ridden, he knows that the police will get him and execute him for the murder (as well as the fact he is too dangerous to be left alive)
Just think, if Nancy went up the steps with Oliver to Mr. Bronlow, instead of hesitating, she would have lived. Also, she could have told her friend Beth to sneak Oliver out during “Oom Pah Pah” instead and stayed close to Bill during the whole scene so he would think Oliver just took off on his own.
@lukasmiller486 Yes, she probably should have run up the stairs with Oliver towards Mr. Brownlow as a way of saying to him, "here he is as I promised I will bring him to you." At the same time, while it was very sweet that Oliver chose to hug her to say goodbye and thank her for the help knowing he won't see her again, I thought maybe if he didn't choose to hug her, he would have made it to the top of the stairs by the time Bill came and I'm sure Nancy didn't really want him to hug since she said to him, "come on go" as a way of saying, "hurry up and go back to him before something bad happens."
She would have died one way or another because Bill Sikes was a very smart criminal. But it still is plossible for her to be alive at least for that scene.
@TomKeresey10 That actually wasn't really Fagin's treasure. It was treasure he stole. Plus someone else said that when a person steals something from someone else, God finds a way to have it taken away from that person and in this regard, God was saying to Fagin, "all that doesn't belong to you so it's being taken away into the quicksand." But at least him losing his treasure helped him turn over a new leaf which he mentioned (being unknown if he really meant that). Also yes, I felt sad that Nancy died and I'm guessing that her dead body was put inside a coffin and was delivered to Mr. Sowesbury in Dunstable England since everyone here is in London England.
Nancy's death more for sure, but the lost treasure, too--it did no one any good under all that muck. If Fagin had kept it, maybe he could have had a chance to change things, rather than revert back to his old ways, like he did at the end. His only skill was stealing, and without any wealth of any kind, he needed that skill.
Tbf in the book fagin is caught and executed. So he can be happy he got away a free man in this.. and with a fresh wallet from dodger (who btw is arrested in the book)
@@afriendofbean God finds a way? Oh come on, 6 million died in the holocaust. Many murders have gone unsolved over life times. The isis brutally killing people but yeah god steps in sometimes to get somebody their purse back? :s
@pinkburberry The only danger Bill put Oliver in was involving Oliver in breaking inside a house and he probably was going to make another attempt using Oliver which is why he wasn't going to let Oliver go. Then in the death of Nancy, Bill became a wanted criminal and was then just going to use Oliver as a hostage when Fagin said "why make things worse, leave him?" where Bill said, "it's me they're after, but they won't go for me, I want the boy so they won't."
1:25 at that moment Bill went from Just a shady prick ish guy who was a professional crafty robber who took his “job” quite seriously To a messy murderer. Being a bad person is one thing, being evil is another. But that’s one of the sad parts presides Nancy’s death .. you can see that he regretted what he did at that very split few seconds, you can see it in his face and his actions .. the whole “What have I done?!” Moment .. but the fact he tried legging it and fled from the scene is what made it much worse as it showed that he was only worried about himself and nothing more. Nonetheless it’s no excuse and doesn’t change the fact. He was evil from that moment onward, He was only worrying about his own skin and only cared about the money, he did what he did and he knows there’s no forgiveness for that. So he did the most cowardly thing instead of owning up to it which is difficult to do but regardless is no excuse .. which is by trying to escape. On top of that using Oliver an innocent kid in all this as an escape tool. Escaping from the police and the angry mob from a house robbery which had gone wrong is one thing .. Escaping from a murder is another .. The dog says it all. and dogs can sense evil. That’s another big upsetting part in this scene. That’s why the focus on his dog Bullseye in that shot leaves such a cold gut feeling. Seeing Bill call for Bullseye and then Bullseye turning his back on him and fleeing from him whilst Bill is shouting /calling for him to come, was for me more upsetting to watch than Nancy’s death and the realisation of “What have I done?” Bullseye and Bill where best friends, but Bullseye saw a different man after that moment he murderer Nancy, Bullseye was the last bit of love and humanity that Bill had. So after that he knew that he lost Bullseye, that’s when Bill lost all humanity that he had left. “Sometimes” money truly is the route to all evil. From just a shady guy who did bad stuff by robbing the rich for a living to A Evil murderer.
An 1840s constable's uniform from the City of London Police, on display in the City of London Police Museum. The original City of London uniform was blue, to differentiate from the red worn by the army. The collar was high and contained a leather stock to guard against garrotting (strangling with a wire or something similar). This was the most common form of attack against a police officer. These were removed from the uniform by the 1870s.
A Major Problem at the time during the Victorian Era (1837-1901) was Drunkenness! Amongst the public & the Police themselves. Many of the original Peelers were dismissed with in ten years for being drunk on duty. As well as arresting drunks, the Constables had to cope with all manor of public duties, including Fighting Fires, Breaking up Fights, and as well as Serious Crime. The new police force tended to be Thief Catchers, not Detectives.
Let’s just remind ourselves that the BBFC (British age rating system for films) rated this film U meaning anyone can watch it. Christ we used to have courage about what we could show in films.
Yep, here in the States it was Rated G. As for Jaws, the only way they got away with it (the MPAA wanted to rate it R) was to give a warning below the PG rating: May Be Too Intense For Younger Children.
Tell me about it! 😮 I watched a very famous Public Information Film called Apaches (1978) and to think THAT was rated as U in its day considering nearly all the kids featured lose their lives in a variety of ways and was more made to tell children not to play near farms unaccompanied by a grown-up or older sibling! That would never be rated U now. 😮
I used to be like that but I was against the actor Oliver Reed himself but I got over it. I also saw him in "The Shuttered Room" which was a great film too. Nice in real life but he did have a drinking problem. :)
If only Arnold Schwarzenegger was in this. He'd come up to Bill Sykes and hit him against the wall many times asking "Why did you do that?!" like he did to Sinbad in "Jingle all the way".
Does anyone know what Nancy and Bill shout at eachother before Nancy's killed? Sounds like she says "Stop, I didn't say" and Bill says "Get off me you bint".
Bulls eye was like “nahhhh. This time you took it too far, I’m out”
As a child I cried my eyes out. Still many years later this is such a tear jerker.
Saw this movie when I was 10 in Boston at the sack Cherries theatre in Downtown Boston. Loved it, I did cry at times during it also. Now at 65, lost my Dad to Alzheimer's due to alcohol and blindness 3 yrs ago. He was 89. Just looked at a bunch of film clips of this great movie.
Nancy's death always gets to me, its the scariest death for me as a child even now I still feel sorry for the violence of it. it still makes me shudder to this day.
Horrible Histories.
The Victorians.
Poor Nancy! And my heart goes out to Oliver cos he had to see Bill beat the crap outta her! 💔🥺😭
@@Canuckchick32 I don't really blame Oliver for being that scared. Poor kid. I get that he was scared out of his mind at the moment but he could've taken his chance to run for safety. Other than that, Nancy didn't deserve this kind of death but she did die trying to protect Oliver.
@sharonbeckerle5419 That's true. I felt sorry for Nancy that she died since she was probably the only one sticking up for Oliver especially when she saw that Mr. Brownlow was adopting him, Fagin sent Dodger out to get Oliver back and Nancy said "let him go and enjoy a life of being adopted." When I saw Oliver hugging Nancy, I thought that was sweet but, I'm guessing if he didn't choose to hug her to say goodbye and thank her for the help by not seeing her ever again, he would have made it to the top of the stairs by the time Bill came but, it would be unknown if he ran back down the stairs to save her with Mr. Brownlow following behind Oliver. Plus, when I was watching this movie with other people and when they saw Oliver hugging Nancy they said "quickly run up the stairs and leave." However, I wonder if Bill meant to kill her or not because he had a scared look on his face like he was saying "oh no, I didn't mean to kill her but only tried stopping her" with his look from 1:29-1:31.
@@tristenmoore1275 I agree. I did wonder why Oliver didn't run up the stairs to escape but, I think the reason he didn't was because he was being blocked and prevented from moving since Bullseye the dog was blocking him as seen at 1:33 since Bill held Bullseye responsible for blocking Oliver as seen in the tavern but unfortunately for Oliver, Oliver didn't know that Bullseye turned against his owner Bill.
Bullseye is like “I’m not going to let you get away with this.”
Her screams, her legs twitching… so chilling
Bill sikes saying “ Nancy I loved you didn’t I, what have you done to me” IS ABSOLOUTLEY WILD! you kill her then say I loved you then blaming her is absoloutley crazy.
Gaslighting at its timelessly finest!
I think Charles Dickens would be pleased at Oliver Reeds performance as Bill Sikes I heard some of the cast say that Oliver was a big man and could be intimidating but he never hurt them but he could be frightening but a great motivator during the scenes. I heard shani who plays Nancy when asked about this scene and how it was filming it she said “It was all done completely in the moment!! There was very little preconceived Direction. Oliver Reed said ‘Do what you want to me, I will be able to defend myself and I will do the rest’ and he was a great motivator. When he grabbed me, I didn’t expect it and that scene just happened!” That's how this scene was done! I also heard that in an interview with Oliver Reed that the journalist said I hated Bill Sikes for what he did to Nancy and Oliver replied saying you were supposed too! It is sad to watch and I think Bill could easily lose his temper fast and he was so used to Nancy going with what ever he said and abusing her but then she started standing up for Oliver even before this scene and he did not like it at all! Even in one scene he said to Nancy I will have no more of that! Bill did not like to be challenged. Even when he hit Nancy in fagins with the boys they just stood up watching from a distance out of fear and Nancy stood up for Oliver far more than fagin or the boys did. She was the only one to challenge Bill and I admire that! Nancy will always be a famous character because domestic violence and abuse is so common and it happens and you usually don't get that in musicals but it was there she is a brave character and so much love to give! Nancy grew up small with Bill and fagin thieving she even says it in a scene and I believe she did not want that kind of life for Oliver! I know I would not like to get into fisticuffs with Oliver Reed as Bill Sykes even bulls eye his best friend ran away even bulls eye had limits and knew justice had to be done for Nancy!
I remember watching this for the first time when I was like 4 with my mum and I said "He's hurt her" because I knew what he did was wrong and my mum said "He's killed her" Might as well get me learning early
Bullseye should have also been nominated! Brilliant!
The acting from Oliver Reed was phenomenal.
Even though he killed Nancy to stop Oliver from being returned to safety, he is haunted with guilt for killing his own domestic partner even though it is implied he abused her.
While Sykes was obviously evil, he did show remorse for killing Nancy and knows there's nothing he can do to bring her back and he goes into madness as murdering Nancy has psychologically changed him.
And even though he is guilt ridden, he knows that the police will get him and execute him for the murder (as well as the fact he is too dangerous to be left alive)
@adamjohnjeffery there was no way back for him! He's a murderer !
Just think, if Nancy went up the steps with Oliver to Mr. Bronlow, instead of hesitating, she would have lived. Also, she could have told her friend Beth to sneak Oliver out during “Oom Pah Pah” instead and stayed close to Bill during the whole scene so he would think Oliver just took off on his own.
What happens to her friend in the book is horrible. I won't spoil here though in case others haven't read yet.
In the book everything happened quite differently. And Nancy couldn't escape.
@lukasmiller486 Yes, she probably should have run up the stairs with Oliver towards Mr. Brownlow as a way of saying to him, "here he is as I promised I will bring him to you." At the same time, while it was very sweet that Oliver chose to hug her to say goodbye and thank her for the help knowing he won't see her again, I thought maybe if he didn't choose to hug her, he would have made it to the top of the stairs by the time Bill came and I'm sure Nancy didn't really want him to hug since she said to him, "come on go" as a way of saying, "hurry up and go back to him before something bad happens."
She would have died one way or another because Bill Sikes was a very smart criminal. But it still is plossible for her to be alive at least for that scene.
How did my parents ever think it was a good idea to let me watch this as a child!!!!
Loved this movie and Oliver Reed was epic in this
I always hated it that Fagin lost his treasure.
I also always hated Nancy's death, terrified me as a child.
@TomKeresey10 That actually wasn't really Fagin's treasure. It was treasure he stole. Plus someone else said that when a person steals something from someone else, God finds a way to have it taken away from that person and in this regard, God was saying to Fagin, "all that doesn't belong to you so it's being taken away into the quicksand." But at least him losing his treasure helped him turn over a new leaf which he mentioned (being unknown if he really meant that). Also yes, I felt sad that Nancy died and I'm guessing that her dead body was put inside a coffin and was delivered to Mr. Sowesbury in Dunstable England since everyone here is in London England.
Nancy's death more for sure, but the lost treasure, too--it did no one any good under all that muck. If Fagin had kept it, maybe he could have had a chance to change things, rather than revert back to his old ways, like he did at the end. His only skill was stealing, and without any wealth of any kind, he needed that skill.
Tbf in the book fagin is caught and executed. So he can be happy he got away a free man in this.. and with a fresh wallet from dodger (who btw is arrested in the book)
TomKeresey, you knew they were going to get Dickensed!!!
@@afriendofbean God finds a way? Oh come on, 6 million died in the holocaust. Many murders have gone unsolved over life times. The isis brutally killing people but yeah god steps in sometimes to get somebody their purse back? :s
Bill Sikes killed Nancy and he actually nearly put Oliver in danger! That’s really horrific!
@pinkburberry The only danger Bill put Oliver in was involving Oliver in breaking inside a house and he probably was going to make another attempt using Oliver which is why he wasn't going to let Oliver go. Then in the death of Nancy, Bill became a wanted criminal and was then just going to use Oliver as a hostage when Fagin said "why make things worse, leave him?" where Bill said, "it's me they're after, but they won't go for me, I want the boy so they won't."
My all-time favourite film musical. Would be hard to watch a remake of this, the actors were perfect.
1:25 at that moment
Bill went from
Just a shady prick ish guy who was a professional crafty robber who took his “job” quite seriously
To a messy murderer.
Being a bad person is one thing,
being evil is another.
But that’s one of the sad parts presides Nancy’s death .. you can see that he regretted what he did at that very split few seconds, you can see it in his face and his actions .. the whole “What have I done?!” Moment ..
but the fact he tried legging it and fled from the scene is what made it much worse as it showed that he was only worried about himself and nothing more. Nonetheless it’s no excuse and doesn’t change the fact. He was evil from that moment onward,
He was only worrying about his own skin and only cared about the money, he did what he did and he knows there’s no forgiveness for that.
So he did the most cowardly thing instead of owning up to it which is difficult to do but regardless is no excuse ..
which is by trying to escape. On top of that using Oliver an innocent kid in all this as an escape tool.
Escaping from the police and the angry mob from a house robbery which had gone wrong is one thing ..
Escaping from a murder is another ..
The dog says it all.
and dogs can sense evil.
That’s another big upsetting part in this scene.
That’s why the focus on his dog Bullseye in that shot leaves such a cold gut feeling.
Seeing Bill call for Bullseye and then Bullseye turning his back on him and fleeing from him whilst Bill is shouting /calling for him to come, was for me more upsetting to watch than Nancy’s death and the realisation of “What have I done?”
Bullseye and Bill where best friends, but Bullseye saw a different man after that moment he murderer Nancy,
Bullseye was the last bit of love and humanity that Bill had. So after that he knew that he lost Bullseye, that’s when Bill lost all humanity that he had left.
“Sometimes” money truly is the route to all evil.
From just a shady guy who did bad stuff by robbing the rich for a living to
A Evil murderer.
Man he beat the helll out of her. Imagine this scene without the music though.
Should he ? Lol
An 1840s constable's uniform from the City of London Police, on display in the City of London Police Museum. The original City of London uniform was blue, to differentiate from the red worn by the army. The collar was high and contained a leather stock to guard against garrotting (strangling with a wire or something similar). This was the most common form of attack against a police officer. These were removed from the uniform by the 1870s.
A Major Problem at the time during the Victorian Era (1837-1901) was Drunkenness!
Amongst the public & the Police themselves.
Many of the original Peelers were dismissed with in ten years for being drunk on duty.
As well as arresting drunks, the Constables had to cope with all manor of public duties, including Fighting Fires, Breaking up Fights, and as well as Serious Crime.
The new police force tended to be Thief Catchers, not Detectives.
Bullseye 🎯 the dog 🐶🐕 was intelligent in getting that mob of men to save Oliver's life 🧬🔬📎🖇️! 11/14/24! 10:44am! 6:19
Rip Oliver reed but my favorite idol is mark Lester as Oliver
Let’s just remind ourselves that the BBFC (British age rating system for films) rated this film U meaning anyone can watch it. Christ we used to have courage about what we could show in films.
You think thats bad, jaws is rated PG. you know that film that scared an entire generation from going in the water.
Yep, here in the States it was Rated G. As for Jaws, the only way they got away with it (the MPAA wanted to rate it R) was to give a warning below the PG rating: May Be Too Intense For Younger Children.
Meanwhile the things kids are allowed to watch today is way more socially corrosive.
Tell me about it! 😮
I watched a very famous Public Information Film called Apaches (1978) and to think THAT was rated as U in its day considering nearly all the kids featured lose their lives in a variety of ways and was more made to tell children not to play near farms unaccompanied by a grown-up or older sibling!
That would never be rated U now. 😮
Oliver Reed was perfect as Bill Sykes
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@@hepyalnizbirakilanx ?
On TH-cam is a 90 minute documentary film called History of the British Police Force.
Told by Brain Cox.
Oh my God, Oliver Reed absolutely killed this role. Too bad he was such a horrible alcoholic and Gladiator was his last film.
Poor Nancy
Poor Bulleye
MARK LESTER I LOVE YOUUUUUIU AND I WILL FOREVER❤❤❤❤❤❤
"Hey Fagin wha'd do i do?" His accent is excellent
This scene makes me hate Bill MORE and MORE!!!
I used to be like that but I was against the actor Oliver Reed himself but I got over it. I also saw him in "The Shuttered Room" which was a great film too. Nice in real life but he did have a drinking problem. :)
She risk everything trying to save the kid from becoming a pick pocket
In 1829 Legislation was passed by Parliament to establish the Metropolitan Police Force in London.
If only Arnold Schwarzenegger was in this. He'd come up to Bill Sykes and hit him against the wall many times asking "Why did you do that?!" like he did to Sinbad in "Jingle all the way".
"Put the orphan down!"
Bullseye was afraid of bill
Does anyone know what Nancy and Bill shout at eachother before Nancy's killed?
Sounds like she says "Stop, I didn't say" and Bill says "Get off me you bint".
Even Fagan didnt do what bill did
What was bill trying to do by the river with Oliver when bullseye was not going to him
Oliver Kid’s/Family Movie Musical
Law Enforcement Police Officers of the Century.
That poor woman she decide to stay with him because she has no place to go but she had no choice but to betrayed her boyfriend for the boy
I am doing a play of this at my school but we are not doing the end because of the p1 and 2
Why doesn’t Fagin reach for the crown at least
@royalty8380 Maybe the crown was too far away from him for him to reach it to grab it.
History of the British Police Force.
90 minute documentary programme.
Bullseye was legit snitching but that's what he gets for what he did