The most CONTROVERSIAL lens in Photography...
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Camera lenses are the most important bit of any photography kit, but one of the most popular lens types isn't to everyone's tastes. Standard zooms are super practical, incredibly versatile and they're often the best tool to get the job done, but they are sometimes a bit boring... In this video I talk about why you might want to use a standard zoom, or indeed a collection of prime lenses, and which is likely to suit your photography better.
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I'm off to learn how on/off buttons work...
thank you!
To do you some justice; the button is ridiculous small! 😁 ... "unless there's something seriously wrong with the helicopter" - that's where my shitty day turned into a big laugh. Thanks buddy, a day with a Video from James is a good day.
Any courses you'd recommend? I doubt any of them will be as engaging as your videos, but I think it's nice to branch out a bit. Also I hope you get your free month from just new subscribers, not only after they actually pay.
Signed up, thanks!
You say lenses arnt controversial... You haven't seen my wife's reaction whenever I purchase a new one!
lmaoooo
Brit: Potatoes aren't controversial.
Me, an Irishman: I'm sorry what?
please elaborate on this: I did not get it. cultural difference, you know.
@@komandagleby_GB The Irish potato famine caused by British negligence during their occupation.
@@imjasonennis3624 nah it was the Irish fault for not farming well
Restrictions in gear often increase creativity through increased level of required thought.
Of course, you can't take that to the ultimate logical conclusion. 😃
James: *Starts video holding his mic.... *
Me: oh no, we have a sound issue. Ha!
“About as controversial as potatoes. That is to say, not controversial at all.”
There speaks a man who was never exposed to Irish history 😐
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Or lived in Idaho or Maine😁
This is weird... I just spent a weekend in Wales with my 15mm 1.7 and 25mm 1.4 getting frustrated with always having the wrong lens on the body. Thinking I should sell them both and go for the 12-35mm 2.8.
You've made me think I just need to try harder... thanks for that.
James: starts an analogy. Goes too far with analogy. Starts to over explain the analogy. Watches the analogy die 🤣🤣
completely agree, over the past year I've upgraded my kit piece by piece and unknowingly ended up switching out zooms and only have primes, and I'm happy with it
I watch every video you put out. I just came here to tell you that you're my favorite tuber and to thank you for helping (inadvertently) guide my efforts to create my own channel. Love your work!
If something goes seriously wrong with your helicopter, bumps are the least of your problems. (Just saying)
Well, the first bump would be a problem.
I have shot from helicopter to helicopter before. To get the rotor blur plus a clean shot is pure luck and numbers. (1/160th is my setting for rotor/prop motion blur, I bump it to 1/200th while on a helio, it is still not quick enough from the vibration.)
I thing that I heard and I realized recently is also that by using a prime lens it can improve a lot your photography: because you need to move and look around for a good photo, most of the time I got compositions that I wouldn't even think of at the beginning and that were way better. With a zoom lens I would have missed those.
Wonderfully convoluted and clear-cut as always. You vacillations drawing to conclusions never sound confused...just delayed. Thanks for this. Now I want to buy back all the Panasonic and Olympus primes I sold over the last few years. If only I could find a zoom for my Mavic 2 Pro!
I recently got my first prime -- well, my first lens, really, after picking up a camera with a kit lens a few months back -- and I am really enjoying shooting with it so far. Having the one focal length and being forced to search for compositions with that restriction is a great challenge for a beginner like myself and I'm getting shots, I think, that I might have otherwise missed. That being said, after watching your video, I think I'll return to the kit lens in time. As much as I really do enjoy the prime and I'll stick with it a while more as I slowly get the hang of using a camera again, there are still obviously some great benefits to be had with standard zooms and I really quite like the points you made in this video (as I do in all your videos: I've been on a bit of a binge recently after finding your channel.)
I am a prime advocate. Well, wide to standard primes. I use telephoto zooms. Zooms have there place, but primes always give me better shots, they make you "think" more. They are like equivalent of a stick shift in a car vs. an automatic.
Highly entertaining! Keeps people interested, great video James
I do love watching these videos. It's one part low key but great humor and one part .... oh, yes, photography....
I really enjoy my 24-105 f/4, however when I go out only with my 35 f/1.8 I enjoy the challenge of being limited to a focal length.
Last time I was this early James didn't forget to record his audio!😂
*I love your vids, James.* Also, primes are fun indeed!
Cool! I just bought my first prime yesterday - 30mm 2.8 macro.
Great analogy about the off-road and helicopter. I'm fairly new to photography and this is such a big question i have about prime vs zoom. Thanks for a great answer!
You are so entertaining! I use a zoom (kit) lens that has been very fun to learn. It's always been my opinion to get what you can, when you can, and learn to use it (even in ways that it isn't designed to be used). Thanks for your humor and point of view!
I recently bought a Full Frame DSLR and it made me get out all those lovely primes that I had from 35mm days, loads of fun! I also have an Olympus OMD EM10 and a friend gave me some 35mm primes. I bought an adaptor and tried them out, there are no connections so everything is manual but the screen shows you the actual exposure and that works well. The focus was tricky but with a small magnifier on the back screen I can get it right. I have been blown away by the sharpness of the old Zuiko lenses and it really does make me work for the picture - definitely not a helicopter experience!
Basically when I shoot in "reaction" mode (family gathering, photojournalism etc.) I prefer zoom because of its versatility. When shooting in "action" mode (portraits, product, landscape etc.) I use primes, and vintage ones as well, since I know what I want to get.
And for travel - depends where I'm going, but usually it's standard zoom, 35 and 55 primes... plus optional wide zoom, ultrawide fisheye, telephoto zoom, macro etc.
Exactly : I also think it depends on the shooting you are doing.
I work only with primes... and it's starting to make me really tired about photography. I shoot weddings, and I more and more feel that I miss a lot of things having to change lens all the time, and it's really getting more and more frustrating. And not saying anything about one fantastic shot I missed this summer because of that during a holidays shooting.
I love primes, I learned a lot with them and improved even more... but I really wish I could go back to zooms now, to feel more at ease while shooting.
As with every discussion on this. It's all about purpose:
A lot of commercial shoots I do are down at f5.6 to f8. I'm shooting from various angles and compositions. Once I stop down that far, the difference in IQ and sharpness is so minimal that it doesn't make sense to have a prime for that purpose.
However, if I was doing head shots, portaits I would definitely use my 85mm or my 135mm just for the perspective. It just looks better shooting people at that focal length. But I could also use my 70-200mm for that to achieve the same perspective.
If you do much more creative work, or want things like distortion to be best corrected in camera, it's probably best to use a prime.
Daily driver is a 24-70 but when I want to do some fun stuff I'll slap something else on my camera.
What I do is I carry a standard zoom _and_ just one prime, a 35mm prime. When I'm traveling and on the go I use the prime since it's smaller. But when I am able to take my time, I use the zoom. I'm not a professional, it's just my hobby. But this is the workflow I have built for myself.
Love your videos 📼
I quite like going on holiday with just a smoll prime lens. It can be super fustrating to miss shots you would have otherwise got, but then again holiday snaps are rarely going to be AMAZING in the first place...
My experience is that I *always* "miss" shots, no matter what I have with me. I just learned to see only motives and opportunities that fit my gear … ;-)
For some of us, there is another reason for using zooms. When changing lenses often you will have more dust spots to remove from the images in post. 😛 I used to be mainly a primes person but now I like having both.
Thank you James for a very confusing video which has helped me to make up my mind, not to make up my mind about what decision to take.... maybe !
Good timing with this video. Just bought my first prime for the G9. A ‘vintage’ Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm f2.4 🙂 Definitely hoping it isn’t “a little bit boring” 😜
Thanks James very interesting
another fine video :) i just got my G9 with the 12-35mm f2.8 lens and i love it :) Still got my vintage manual lenses in the bag but enjoying finally having fast auto focus!
Interesting take on the subject. When given a choice, my preferred lens would always be my trusty Nikon 50mm f/1.4 D. In my opinion one of the greatest pieces of glass out there that is affordable and packs a real punch. I love the images this can yield. My "bread and butter" lens (or my "workhorse" to stay in your image) for anything where there might not be time to zoom with my feet, is indeed a 28-70 f/2.8. But so far it never struck me as "boring". It is just a tool that allows me to work faster in certain situations which I need to do more often than not.
But when I have time and the weight is not an issue....I would take a prime lens over a zoom any day. I also like to challenge myself sometimea by deliberately only packing one or two lenses.
I only have 2 lens right now anyways, but I've been only taking one at a time with me to challenge myself.
Only a couple primes? Welcome to the world of large format photography.
Terry Thomas I looked into large format photography....and decided to not open that can of worms. (Yet.)
I will say my Zeiss 28mm 2.0, but I hear you! I often just go out with a 28mm. I use zooms for telephoto shots, because at that point the zoom is not making that much difference in my composition. (Or I can't get to my shot to begin with ...)
Two primes, a wide and a standard, plus a zoom telephoto is my kit 99% of the time.
As someone who spent the first 29 years of his photography experience shooting almost exclusively with prime lenses (and film), I can certainly agree with you. Yes, we have a wonderful range of effective zoom lenses available for our cameras today but there is something rewarding about getting that perfect shot with a prime lens; A sense that you had to work harder to get the image you were after that makes it that much sweeter a success story in the end.
I just got an Olympus 12-40 F/2.8 Pro this week to add to my 17mm F/1.8. Looking forward to seeing how it performs.
I've been working o for a getting better with my primes. I'm taking out my primes for what I call "Fixed Focal Friday". I leave all the other lenses at home so I'm not tempted, and I go out somewhere and shoot. I've had a lot of fun doing it.
Fixed Focal Friday - great idea :-)
Your right. I've use my 12-35 quite a lot especially for run and gun or parties, but I do love my 25 and 15 primes. Better bokeh with the primes I find. The other zoom I love a lot is the 35-100.
I have just started to embrace what I call 'The Zen of Primes', that being no matter which prime lens you have on, it's always the wrong one.
Great advice as always.
I'd like to have heard what you said when you realised you hadn't turned the mic on!
thanks James, always look forward to your videos! time to dust off my nifty fifty!
I agree and for what I do the Tameron 28-75mm f2.8 for the Sony E Mount fullframe is perfect for me. Only got to carry one lebs instead of about 3 or 4.
As a beginner, i'm still enjoying my zooms at the moment, it allows me to experiment with composition a lot easier and get a lot more shots while learning. I had a 18-135mm with my new Canon 90D, it's quite bulky/heavy, but it's an absolute weapon. The only prime i've got so far is a 50mm f/1.8
Well done with the whole not pressing the button thing. Never had that happen to me. Much.
How funny! I just bought an Olympus 12-40 and traded my sigma 30mm 1.4... i do miss the signa but i need to adjust to using a zoom lens tbh. James thanks mate for being relatable, would love to go on a shoot session with you (even though im scared of heights hahaha!) Have a great weekend mate 😁👏🏿
Good discussion man.
Clear as mud that.! Love it haha
Ok so "THIS IS SPARTA" comes to mind Gerard Butler doing a TH-cam channel wow. LOL great vid James 😜👍👍👍
Thanks James, the only thing I got out of this is video is “I’m getting a gym membership” 🤣🤣
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I've been using my 16-50mm aps-c a lot in 35mm (52mm ff) as it gives me a good balance between optical magnification and very short minimal focus distance (high effective magnification) and i realized i actually quite like the perspective it gives, so much so that im considering buying a prime lens around that focal length even though the standard zoom has serving me really well.
This is why I decided for the Sigma Trio over the 16-55 Sony. Because as a beginner I felt it to be the best way to learn more about photography.
Yes finally someone was able to put it in words. Zooms are great but primes just feel so intentional. I have a couple of zooms and quite a few more primes. My rokinon 35 mm t1.5 lives on my camera and I’ve missed shots because of it. However, I’ve gotten shots I would’ve never thought of because I was forced to push things a bit
Had some fun today with my 16mm-55mm F2.8 Fujinon lens today. The only time I felt like I needed more was when I wanted to do some long shots. Then my 55mm-200mm lens would have been a better choice.
I love shooting with primes, but it's more bulk and less flexibility so I tend to use zooms. If I'm out and about somewhere familiar where I've photographed multiple times I might take along a camera with a single prime to force myself to be creative.
Good points james👍
Thank you
I have that Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 (Canon mount) and it is phenomenal. It falls into the category of "if your going on vacation for two weeks and can only bring one lens. . . " territory. Also on the subject of primes, my very first one was Canon's 50mm f/1.4 and put it on my (then) Canon Rebel XT as we hiked to the bottom of the Grand Canyon. At first it felt like I was looking at the canyon through a toilet paper tube but to this day 12 years later I still took my very best shots of it that day.
I have a 50mm prime and a 24-70mm f/2.8. The latter has been seeing a lot more time on the camera since I bought it. I really need to get back to using my prime again, though.
The issue for smaller formats is full frame manufacturer's like Canon discovering compact lenses with modest apertures. Full frame mirrorless bodies compete on size. Compact FF kit lenses and primes could see m43 off - and I say that as a micro four thirds user.
And also the analogy you compared lenses controversies and potatoes. Brilliant.
Can’t beat drone shots over Bamford Edge 😍
All my favorite pictures are either wider than 24 or longer than 70. I had the Olympus version, 12-40. My least used lens.
Never thought I'd see Jeff Staple referenced in one of these videos 😄 great stuff! he's a legend in his field.
I've learned to select my lenses. Unknown territory forces me to carry all lenses. Going to known territory I can select: Do I need a tele lens? Do I need maximum flexibility? Am I in the mood for primes only? And then I take my primes with me (17, 25, 45mm) and I'm perfectly fine with it.
Recently I got everything set up for an on camera piece, with lav mic etc, then forgot to start recording on camera. The second take was a better version after the first practice run. I have tried primes, and own a few, but more often than not I am using zooms for their convenience for sure.
Just the other day I realized that I feel exactly this same way, except switch primes and zooms with manual and auto focus. Love my legacy glass.
Good analogy. I think zooms really come into their own for the long focal lengths (70-200 ff equiv). When I shot sports, it's obvious why this lens is so versatile because you cannot move often to the ideal spot, so you have to zoom in and out. Plus you probably want some compression, isolation, etc. In the 24-70 ff equiv length, more than likely the subject is within "walking distance" to move around with a prime. It is useful (like at a wedding) where things are happening fast, but I've never been overly enamoured with the images I've produced from that focal length. f2.8 if fast, but primes in this range go down to f1.4 typically and that additional bokeh and light gain is very helpful. When I'm shooting portraits, I usually find two primes (35 ff equiv) and (~85 ff equiv) do the trick. I almost always only buy the 24-70 equiv. if it's on sale. Useful to have, but not my first choice to shoot with.
My (so far) favourite Lumix lens is the 25mm Leica Summilux f1.4. I bought it 5 years ago and it competes with my Lumix 12-60mm lens. Saving my pennies for the Leica 12-60 !
I've done the old "forget to turn on the mic" thing a few times.
Couldnt agree more about prime lenses. I just got my first nifty 50mm 1.4 and it's making me more involved with my photography....
Mic failure, of roading in helicopter to needing to go to the gym to climb mountains, check... With some good camera info speckled in between... I always enjoys your videos keep up the good work.
When I bought my first real camera (Panny G7) a few years ago I took the advice of a more experienced photographer and have always bought good glass. I got the G7 kit that came with the 14-140, then I bought the 12-35f2.8 and 35-100f2.8. I've got other lenses for sure(more than I need) but the good glass has served me well from my G7 to G85 to G9 and GH5. I'm sure all of my lenses can produce amazing images when paired with a camera with great auto focus, which sadly, none of mine have.
Hi James, have you ever used the 15mm for Astro work? Just wondering how much better it is than the 8-18 or 12-35 wide open. Good video by the way 👍🏻 🥔
Totally agree with that. I’ve just bought a 24-70 sigma and I’m a little bored the images I produce with it.
I just got a digital medium format camera after working with Canon for a long time. And before that I was shooting with Mamiya 6x7 film cameras. Speed is in fact something that I feel has impacted my photography in a negative way. I love the slower process of medium format and using prime lenses really works for me for the exact reason you mentioned in your video. But as you said, it all comes down to what you do. I shoot portraits and fashion. Slow shooting makes me be way more careful with every shot I take. Instead of editing 78594 shots at the end of the day I only have 50 to go through. :)
In my professional experience , it 100% depends on the shoot and how the images will be used. Group events or big public events where a high volume of final images is required, I’ll use zooms and post processing.
I use my primes when I have at least a small amount of set up time and when individual images are the final intended product.
I love that 12-35 for run and gun video work. Keeps the kit small, and light. Is that the lens you use on your G85 vlog camera?
This is really a decision that one can only make with time and experience. I personally used to love shooting primes, but the more pressure I have on my professional shoots, the less variables I want to have to consider in order to deliver for my clients. When it comes to my own personal photography, I enjoy primes more. I enjoy the process. And the type of photography I do in my spare time (landscape, astro and street) all lend themselves to prime lenses. But for my professional work (product, corporate and real estate), I keep my zoom on the camera 99% of the time.
I've found that my happiest gear outfit for photojournalism/reportage is my Canon with a 24-70mm and my Fuji with a 35mm or 56mm fast primes. If you're restricted to one body try to go for 2 lenses that span the greatest focal length to quality ratio for what you're shooting. For Canon I have the 24-70mm and then the 85mm 1.8. The 85mm extends mt focal length while adding a fast prime for fantastic portraits. No overlap in focal length means I've maximized the versatility value in dollars to weight and bag space.
That focus pumping reminds me of my own G9 and its woes 😁
You could easily be a comedian! Love your style
Also a point worth noting against changing lenses might be discouraging environmental conditions (storm, sand/ beach, dirt....)
So I usually walk into the situation with the standard zoom on the camera and thus know I got my focal length covered, and later MAY change to the appropiate fixed length for a better shot; instead of walking onto the spot with the wrong focal length. Then, the option to change lenses becomes a necessity, which can really suck during a gale of wind at the beach. (although gales don't suck, they blow).
I like my affordable EF-M 11-22 mm. Light, not bulky to pack, and decent enough quality.
I'm going the opposite way, I'm learning to love zooms XD the PL 12-60 is stealing my heart :D The PL 25mm is gorgeous though!
My all-time favorite lens was a 24-135 I owned many years ago for the "full frame" format. The 24-70 / 70-200 combination is just too awkward for me, because I shoot a lot around the 50-90 range, which isn't completely covered by either the 24-70 or the 70-200. A 24-105 would be a good one, as would the 12-60 on M4/3. My issue with primes is that I will often walk around a location to find the "perfect" perspective for the image I want, and primes rarely capture that perspective with a good composition, requiring cropping in post. With a zoom, I can compose the image exactly as I envision it.
The 14-140 must be the least controversial, because nobody ever talks about it.
Yea when I got the g7 it came with the 14-42 and the 45-150 and I thought it would make sense if I had just gotten the 14-150 but then I saw the price
I've had that lens for 6 years. Absolutely love it! Being able to get some nice wide shots and tele, with solid results. Normally stop it down a tad to sharpen up corners for landscapes but been sp handy.
@@Subfrequenz Six years_ You have the first generation then, without weather sealing? I heard the second one is quite an improvement in IQ as well.
@@AoyagiAichou hi, it is actually the second generation. So maybe 5 years, I got it with a pansonic g6 camera. I've got some primes and a 9-18 oly but I've always found the results to be pretty reliable when used thoughtfully. I think the travel zoom range is brilliant for experimenting with different crops and zooming with your feet often changes the perspective. Besides if I want a compressed landscape style shot you cant beat the versatility of 280mm equiv on the long end. But hey it's a personal choice!
@@Subfrequenz Are you sure? The second generation was released in 2019 as far as I can tell na.panasonic.com/us/news/lumix-g-14-140mm-telephoto-zoom-lens-micro-four-thirds-system-undergoes-update . I agree that the versatility of it is amazing, of course. Can't comment on its sharpness etc., as I have very limited experience and untrained eyes. Or was your original response to Codexan and some of the lenses he mentioned?
The primary issues of zooms vs primes for me are cost and weight of set of primes vs a couple of zooms. If you can afford a couple primes I would base the choice on what you shot and your gear not some generic recommendation such as get the 'nifty fifty'.
I'm trying to go the lightweight route, that's why I have one prime, one ultra wide angle zoom, one large standard to zoom and one larger telefoto zoom. Yeah, that's not lightweight and I don't know what to do =(
It's good that you have all those because you can now go back through your favorite images and see which focal lengths you used the most. You might find that you take all those lenses out with you but actually mostly use one or two and the others just go for a ride in your bag. I have one longer lens that rides around a lot in my bag at the moment and I'm trying to decide whether I should sell it and upgrade one of my other lenses or hang on to it just in case. Which means it will probably just sit somewhere gathering dust. The 'what ifs' make it hard to decide lol
@@CarolyneMacMillan I feel your pain! I shoot Nikon, and when I go hiking I like to take my 200-500 *just in case* I see some wildlife, i.e. pretty birds. But god damn it's so big and heavy! Considering how often it actually gets used, I'm seriously considering offloading it and getting a 2x tele for my 70-200. Maybe you could consider a similar thing?
@@hoodie3810 I should just give up on the birds, I never have any luck taking photos of them myself. I just seem to line them up for others to take photos of. One example was an early morning trip to a local lake to shoot shags/cormorants sunning themselves on tree stumps out in the water. I found my spot sat down with one leg out in front of me by some rocks and the bird I started to shoot decided that a rock by my foot was a better spot lol. Too close for me to shoot with my big lens on and I didn't want to move and scare it off as a friend was getting good shots. This happens to me a lot to the point that I'm starting to think that 50mm is a birding lens lol. I attract other animals too but thankfully I don't live anywhere that has big critters that could eat me.
@@CarolyneMacMillan attracting animals sounds like a great skill! Maybe you should try birding with a 105mm macro, then you can be as close as you want 😆
@@hoodie3810 Hahaha macro bird photography as my new speciality 😂
When I first got interested in photography (film, I am old) all I had were primes. I learned to compose with my feet. Now many times to cut down on weight I use a zoom but find myself still composing with my feet, forgetting I have a zoom.....
I never liked zooms and haven’t used any in years. Just this year I realized I was wrong about zooms. I got a Sony P+S, and realized how useful it is, and boy is it sharp.
When I'm going somewhere and will be taking photos as part of the trip, I use a zoom.
If I'm going somewhere for the purpose of photography, I prefer primes, they make you think a bit more, zooms can make you a bit complacent.
I wouldn't make that a hard and fast rule though.
yeah, during trips there tight places and cant bring more lenses.... but i prefer 50mm prime when i feel like photgraphing... i just like the feel of 50mm...
Senpai Akagi HG
PL10-25 f/1.7, Oly 12-100 f/4, PL 50-200 f2.8-4, PL 100-400. I can mix up those lens depending on what I will be shooting for very little weight. If I was to go prime route I would invest in the f/1.2 Oly Primes
As a wheelchair user, for obvious reasons I find it a lot easier to use zooms. I can't always get into the right position to take the shot when using primes.
People should buy both. Have some zooms for flexibility, and then primes for your your favorite focal lengths. This means that on each trip you can decide what compromises you want to make based on what is important.
I found myself a lot more comfortable using my standard zoom ("properly") after using almost exclusively prime lenses in the same range of focal lengths for a quite long time. Instead of zooming for composition, I position myself and adjust the focal length based on desired perspective. When using wider or longer zooms, there is often more merit to zooming in/out for composition, as in many use cases with these lenses there can be more constraints of shooting position for the intended composition.
Best first 50 seconds of a video ever!
Im still not sure what to buy first, because i really love my nifty fifty for my 700d. but im thinking of upgrading to a Sony aIII or IV if its released this year. And i think of starting with a 24-70 2.8 to be really flexible for travel and my normal photography style. But i absolutley love shooting with my prime. On the other hand nothing stops me from restricting myself to 50mm or 35mm with a zoom.
James
I like the 28mm focal length for a prime . My hiking lens is a Sigma 18- 250 3.5 - 5.6 I like flexibility the lens gives me for daylight hiking photography
I had the 1st Tamron 24-70.. broke it.. now I have the 24-70 G2.. 15-30 as my zooms.. then
I have a 50mm stm & 90mm macro prime.