Black people speaking English well, and then loving the sound of their voices, does not automatically equate to black excellence. Let us judge the substance of what they say, not how they say it.
Speaking fluently on its own is excellence because not everyone is fluent so credit must also be given for fluency before we score how knowledgeable about his job he is
100% our people are still deprived, would believe anything and everything as long a person 'speaks well'. That time someone's child is falsely accused. Sad.
I personally don't understand why people think Gininda is so intelligence, probably by fluency in English, that doesn't mean answer questions, rather than explaining.
N if u pay attention to details he doesn't answer questions he want to explain stories with his English then ppl said he's intelligent but m not suprised in south africa wen u speak English u r intelligent
The law is making it difficult for the accused to report assault , if as in the case of no. 1 , the very person you are accusing of assault is the one who eventually determines the merits of that accusation. Where does one then get relief? My heart bleeds for the poor , at least the rich can afford lawyers who can do that for them. I can imagine the desperation of people like Ntanzi and Muzi who cried out for help and were supposed to go back to very abuser for solace. How was Muzi expected to lay a charge against the very person who will eventually determine the truthfulness of your accusation. You may celebrate Gininda for "applying the law," but what most of us do not realize is the desperation of the accused in that situation. I feel something should be done to change this. I feel once an assault has been reported against any officer an independent body should take over immediately to investigate the allegations. It is in our power as a people to lobby for this. PLEASE LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS. There is no impartiality. The law favours the abuser.
In the education system where we deal with vulnerable citizen, once a learner tells an educator that they are being abused, that educator is compelled by law to report the case. It doesn't matter whether the educator believes the child or not, her/ his duty is to report to authorities. I feel all officers of the law ( magistrates, judges ,police officers) should be compelled by law to do the same thing . A lot of people might not think the accused are vulnerable but they are. Especially at the hands of corrupt police officers who do not want to do proper investigation but just want to close cases.
Lol nothing to be sorry about, here these guys are just criminals often in contravention with the law, why would every one be against them from constable to cyril ramaphosa as suggested by teffo nidlala ngati nina
😂 Ginida has just exposed himself if he was brilliant as many of u claimed he should hv never allowed this trial to start knowing that not all suspects are nt arrested he just exposed himself how corrupt he is. As lead investigator u can't let the trial to start whereas investigation is incomplete
He knows his story, he is so calm and very intelligent... I'm really glad to learn that there is a government employee who is so knowledgeable with his work... Hat off❤ Ngininda
Only smart mind Will understand where advocate Mshololo is going with her line of questioning.and Gininda is singing instead of answering what ws asked, reason being he things he's smarter than the defense.
Defence waited for Gininda but they were not prepared. Mshololo we saw your true colours, Queen of the court who waste court time and shout at people to intimidate, tying to be famous out of this proceedings. Trying so hard to copy Gerri Nel shame.
This police officer Brig Bongani Nicholas Gininda is very competent and his demeanor in the witness box is calm and straight foward he gives clear answers without hesitation and his evidence is generally corroborated by documentary evidence and probabilities which are overwhelming.....i put my head on the block the Court will embrace his testimony...Legal gurus you can criticise me as harsh as u can...but its my opinion.... Although at times he gives loong sentences as his answers they are not irrelevant, infact they clarify issues...31/1/2024
I agree with you he also provide evidence to support his testimony. The defense lawyers are busy speculating things instead of providing the evidence to the court.
Some other things will be meaningful to persons once it directly affects them. Intelligence of a corrupt person will always lead us to where the country is today.
I can hear you well. I believe we are on the same page. It's better that you put your words wisely and cautiously, otherwise you would have been eaten alive by those who are in a hurry.
I like the way Gininda narrating his testimony and give the defense team a free law lesson. To be honest Gininda was well prepared and know his job. I salute 👏
Ndaaa....he knows what he is talking about there is not even a shadow of doubt and his evidence will be pivotal in embarrassing the wholele defence version or stand point...31/1/2024
Mshololo is very petty, Gininda is answering all these questions to assist the court in the best possible way, all she wants is to cut the information provided for her benefit.
The defence must have learned a thing or two from a police officer, Brigadier Gininda. Unless if they're too slow to learn. They're still going to learn from the Judge and the Prosecutor 🤞🏾
@maropenggivenmaenetja9295 Are you sure you are not the one who is confused. When one stoops to attacking persons instead of facts it shows you lack emotional intelligence
Remember this is a trial within a trial, the line of evidence presentation and also questioning thereof is to substantiate the validity of the confessions. We are not yet in the main trial, wait until then and come again to say this, if he is going to be called for the main trial!
No I beg to differ coz Gininda z not answering Mshololo keeps on saying ihave answered that with Mngomezulu its simple a way of trying to avoid to contradict himself
Ginida is a true reflection of corruption n fraud in SAPS. Do u know the content/exhibit in second Docket which was collected by warrant officer Makhuvho and Canel Buthelezi? I can see u just gt this train on station u don't whr is it coming. The projector who was supposed to take second Docket has suspended. Canel Buthelezi was suspended bfr he died warrant Makhuvho was suspended n removed from the case then this corrupt cop was brought in n stole all statements in second docket he opened his own docket with new suspects. Many magistrates were approached in kzn fr taking down of confessions by the refused until thy fnd these corrupt magistrate n mpotho😢
The day you will wrongly accused by so called criminals like Gininda you will be singing a different song.....if you have followed this case from day one you will understand that lot of things went wrong to this case....why did they shut down Makhubo evidence after he/she took so long 2 investigate all of sudden....inkabi went to that house do you how inkabi operate
Don't be food by big, meaningless terms that have nothing to do with the questions asked. What Gininda is doing is called waffling. He is talking yes, but does it answer the question
It appears Brigadier Gininda's eloquence lies in explaining rather than providing clear answers. Intelligence isn't solely about articulation but also about problem-solving and critical thinking. Perhaps his verbosity obscures his ability to address issues directly. It's crucial for the defense to highlight flaws in evidence, but the court must ensure decisions are based on evidence beyond reasonable doubt. A balance between eloquence and substance is imperative in legal proceedings.
It is always assumed that serving officers are not eloquent enough. But hands down, Brigadier Gininda has changed the thinking. Par excellent. Well experienced and up to the task. Like everybody, he is not infallible but he has indeed assisted the court.
@@YTL-hi5ll All the same. He has been able to advance the State's Case. He was not categorised as recalcitrant witness. Who are you to judge? The Law of Evidence. Period!
I'm disappointed with Mshololo, she wasted court time today, I respect Gninda, if I were in his positions I should have lost it long time ago, Why is Mshololo so mean, compare her with other defense lawyers, she gets 2/10. Her line of questioning is bad.
M not sure about the term "Witchdoctor" (igqwirha) i think the appropriate tetm is "Traditional healer" (ixhwele) (inyanga in isiZulu) i think this was canvassed in Farlam commission and it was agreed upon that the word/phrase "Traditional Doctor" should be used. But m open to correction or different views guys...31/1/2024...Farlam commission (Marikana Commission).
Mshololo was a total mess and truly speaking she was frustrated because she realised she is loosing and no proper questioning at all to top it all she became rude and irritating as well ..U have lost hope and trust in her utafana no adv Teffo
"Black advocates keep disappointing us" really Black advocates? Speak for yourself, don't use "us" rather use "me" that is you. You have been disappointed by Black Advocates. What is a black advocate?
It is not about colour or race. Every person is unique and have different levels of ability and skill - you will realize this as you grow and continue to learn.
56:04 The reason other police officers do that is to avoid professes like this trial within a trial. The accused argument is that the police assulted them and forced them to signed the alleged confession.
Did Mmusi Maimane give you the same hope in the DA? Black people speaking English well, and then loving the sound of their voices, does not automatically equate to black excellence. Let us judge the substance of what they say, not how they say it.
Follow-up of what? If an earlier interview before he was taken to Kennel then it's "still an interview continuing" no matter if it was or wasn't lengthy. 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
It was already asked /answered. You heard the judge reading the Basson judgment that she is not allowed to repeat questions. What’s your qualifications to miss such a simple judgment
But mshololo always askesbeven after baloyinasks she likes to undermine witnesses but Gininda was a threat to her she knows she knows that she is dealing with qualified person so she can't rather be humble and shame she made a fool of herself today shame hope she learnt something today
Just know that people who used to get zeros at primary and Matric level are now grown up and are busy making comments pretending to be knowledgeable adults now, the rest is history and drama!!!
It is unfortunate circumstances that those boys in dock box can't prove that they were beaten and intimidated by kininta and his gangster Take a note: some of us we know, we've been there police do horrible things for extra money. Police always protect one another, only cases were prominent individuals are involved you will hear 1. Minister of Police, 2. National Commissioner of Police, 3. People at Power position. Commenting on it and the arrest will amazed everyone, senzo's life was a sacrifice to show the world how injustice the south african people are living in
@Greatness-dd6pi which school did you guys attend where the answer is to be "Yes/No" yet you explained?...🤔 I wonder what he will answer if asked if his name is Giginda.🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
@Greatness-dd6pi 🤣🤣 If you say so,still brings me to a better understanding of the questions..."Yes or No" answers required here as repeatedly reminded by the lawyers and not to explain/elaborate taking us to your essays and theories 🤷🏽♀️. Most of the time ends up in listening to the over explanations that are given 😴 🥱 . He was asked if he continued the interview when the accused person was returned and he said, "No" he then explained and said they didn't have a lengthy conversation of the interview prior to when the accused person was taken to Kennel. Short or long it's still an interview continuation 🤷🏽♀️🤦🏾♀️.
Mjiakho was promised something by Gininda but never materialized he gave everything to Devance hence the is blood-stained documents fact watch and learn tables will turn
Mshololo is a time waster and jeeds more practise and knowledge which she is lacking...she is looking for attention by shouting but making a complete fool of herself shame mshololo
Mshololo is dealing with procedure in her Cross Exam I don't know why this judge must jump up and down with his whole lot of irrationality... Here the defence must prove there was no coercion in the construction of this so called statements of confession. I don't buy this judge's smiling when Gininda does not answer procedural questions, this is not substantive question or merit questions. Bit this rubbish judge of s talking about a senior Police here . What senior police is refusing to help court arrive at the answer who Killed Senzo..this senior police officers is evasive, with assistant of this apartheid judge
@@noahnyatlo3453 because you think SAPS is above procedure. That's what Gininda was told 😂 that is bullshit in real life 😂 . . Judge rata will read our judgement 😂 not police judgement. For the second time around 😂. Judge rata is just an agent.not our judge 😂
Brigadier Gininda is schooling this pro bono lawyers 🙏🏽🙏🏽Weldone to the police who moered this murders until they confess the truth..We need police like this if we really need to deal with crime .now we got the truth and the court can now drive justice for senzo
Thank you brigadier Gininda I'm proud of you as you know your stories and I'm really proud of you. I wish minister of police and sa citizens were also proud to have a police man including Brigadier like you. Big up my brigadier big up. From makgabo manamela.
If few of the policemen who gave evidence were narating it like gininda wether true or false th8s case would've been far. So far i was impressed with gininda nd the other retired policeman who worked with exhibits by that time .u can easily relay what the say or paint on de picture that include seargeant mogola the lady.the fact of de matter we want to hear from them what they know nd did then leave it to the judge.as for the defence they are full of unpreparedness sometimes. Most of the time they take their eyes of the ball on critical times.
@mphomangole brigadier knows exactly who killed senzo, but his mentioning kelly as master mind to drift away focus of many to the actual killer of senzo "de bhakaniya" meyiwa.
@@Ms_Mankotham being calm is personality not something you can pay for. She provoked him many times but he remained calm. If she knows her client is innocent and gave proof why emotions are involved? She must use facts to defend not emotion.
If Senzo's brother was in the same click with Gininda at work, he will be singing praises. Just saying. Somehow kuyavela ukuthi Senzo's was on Kelly's side then Mandisa 😝. Kancane kancane uyavela
it is the judge playing defense by allowing kininta to deviates answers, and make long explanations that raised follow up quetions. They "judge, prosecutor, and the police" are concoct together to confuse this case. These people have been bought to convict and sentenced those boys, they are working on the mandate if one can see this; a mandate to finished this case as quick as possible disregarding the innocent or guiltiness of the accused before court 😢 look at this÷ 1. I have paid a lot of money "therefore i will not be summoned to court over a fire arm killed senzo" 2. I have paid money "therefore my son would not be involved in this case" 3. I have paid money "to protect some of those who were in the house" 4. Myself and my sister paid money" to protect myself and our mother not to be court subpoena" NB: i will see what i can do, but it won't be easy. This is kind of justice we are subject to, because of greedy people.
Too much explanation but no accurate answers to the unnecessary questions asked
True that
Black people speaking English well, and then loving the sound of their voices, does not automatically equate to black excellence. Let us judge the substance of what they say, not how they say it.
Fully agreed with you here
Gininda is is excellence sir ask yourself why we can not say the same about other cops
Speaking fluently on its own is excellence because not everyone is fluent so credit must also be given for fluency before we score how knowledgeable about his job he is
@@musacornwell7282 I think sans relevancy fluency is robbed of eloquence, the capacity to be persuasive.
100% our people are still deprived, would believe anything and everything as long a person 'speaks well'. That time someone's child is falsely accused. Sad.
I personally don't understand why people think Gininda is so intelligence, probably by fluency in English, that doesn't mean answer questions, rather than explaining.
😂true that Gininda is true reflection of corruption n fraud
N if u pay attention to details he doesn't answer questions he want to explain stories with his English then ppl said he's intelligent but m not suprised in south africa wen u speak English u r intelligent
That’s why we have such a high rate of unemployment. These people didn’t really study. I doubt they have matric
16:55 listen to Gininda till he fish reading
Intelligent not intelligence, no wonder why you cnt see his 'brains.
The law is making it difficult for the accused to report assault , if as in the case of no. 1 , the very person you are accusing of assault is the one who eventually determines the merits of that accusation. Where does one then get relief? My heart bleeds for the poor , at least the rich can afford lawyers who can do that for them. I can imagine the desperation of people like Ntanzi and Muzi who cried out for help and were supposed to go back to very abuser for solace. How was Muzi expected to lay a charge against the very person who will eventually determine the truthfulness of your accusation.
You may celebrate Gininda for "applying the law," but what most of us do not realize is the desperation of the accused in that situation.
I feel something should be done to change this. I feel once an assault has been reported against any officer an independent body should take over immediately to investigate the allegations. It is in our power as a people to lobby for this. PLEASE LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS. There is no impartiality. The law favours the abuser.
Agree with you entirely. How do I report the abused to the abused; change the reporting system to ensure impartiality
True that! I think that's why lawyers say ' I'll leave that for argument.
In the education system where we deal with vulnerable citizen, once a learner tells an educator that they are being abused, that educator is compelled by law to report the case. It doesn't matter whether the educator believes the child or not, her/ his duty is to report to authorities. I feel all officers of the law ( magistrates, judges ,police officers) should be compelled by law to do the same thing . A lot of people might not think the accused are vulnerable but they are. Especially at the hands of corrupt police officers who do not want to do proper investigation but just want to close cases.
That is why there is IPID and here they are just trying to use the reporting nullify the confessions
Lol nothing to be sorry about, here these guys are just criminals often in contravention with the law, why would every one be against them from constable to cyril ramaphosa as suggested by teffo nidlala ngati nina
Mr Gininda its easy to explain because his a creator of this story
True
Judge is lenient to this lady who s wasting lot of time with repetitive questions
Don't race your voice Lady. for the brigadier
She stay dom
She thought by shouting is the way of stating facts boom💥 💥 💥 embarrassing herself and wasting court time
Mshololo is a great time waster🤦🏽♀️
@@lufunonemakonde3993 Yes indeed and I don’t why when she shouts she thinks she’s the best 🤷♀️
So there’s no one who grew up or went to school with Gininda here..bastshele amaqhinga namanga wawaqala nini…
Gininda goes off topic now.He is lies
Much respect to Mr Gininda 👏 🙏, he represented SAPS with honor and dignity 🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡
😂 Ginida has just exposed himself if he was brilliant as many of u claimed he should hv never allowed this trial to start knowing that not all suspects are nt arrested he just exposed himself how corrupt he is. As lead investigator u can't let the trial to start whereas investigation is incomplete
He knows his story, he is so calm and very intelligent... I'm really glad to learn that there is a government employee who is so knowledgeable with his work... Hat off❤ Ngininda
Only smart mind Will understand where advocate Mshololo is going with her line of questioning.and Gininda is singing instead of answering what ws asked, reason being he things he's smarter than the defense.
They are not listening to the actual questions and answers!
They are not listening to the actual questions and answers!
They are not listening to the actual questions and answers!
They are not listening to the actual questions and answers!
They are not listening to the actual questions and answers!
Defence waited for Gininda but they were not prepared. Mshololo we saw your true colours, Queen of the court who waste court time and shout at people to intimidate, tying to be famous out of this proceedings. Trying so hard to copy Gerri Nel shame.
They thought Gininda is like any other witnesses but he's outsmarting them, and with evidence not lies from these nkabis
You mean Barry Roux
This police officer Brig Bongani Nicholas Gininda is very competent and his demeanor in the witness box is calm and straight foward he gives clear answers without hesitation and his evidence is generally corroborated by documentary evidence and probabilities which are overwhelming.....i put my head on the block the Court will embrace his testimony...Legal gurus you can criticise me as harsh as u can...but its my opinion.... Although at times he gives loong sentences as his answers they are not irrelevant, infact they clarify issues...31/1/2024
I agree with you he also provide evidence to support his testimony. The defense lawyers are busy speculating things instead of providing the evidence to the court.
Ndaaa....31/1/2024
True
They may say whatever they say about Gininda but there is coherence in this man's answers.
But not answering question
Thanks brigadier Gininda your indeed a brigadier everything you have witnessed is clearly and understood very clear. The lie will never be truth.
Mshololo is using emotions instead of facts and evidence before the court
Mnxm. She claims to be intelligent
What must she do when Brigadier makes a long sentences than answering the questions.
i always said the same, Mshololo is too emotional to be a lawyer
@@lindenimasuku7386shame she wasted so many years in law school just to not do proper due diligence on that act..
@@Mfmostfascinatingnewsshe should use facts instead of emotions. She sounds personal to work
Some other things will be meaningful to persons once it directly affects them. Intelligence of a corrupt person will always lead us to where the country is today.
I can hear you well. I believe we are on the same page. It's better that you put your words wisely and cautiously, otherwise you would have been eaten alive by those who are in a hurry.
Gininda has been there done that, he is always ready and support his statement
Gininda is dealing with Msholozi with"due respect "😂
Wabanyisa "In so far" ...😂 mr subsequent
We want the mastermind to be arrested not all these long stories,if indeed Gininda is fabricating this case he wouldn't mention Kelly Khumalo
That true
So true
I don't see Gininda as a brilliant brigadier who knows his job by explaining instead of answering questions.
Only stupids hate explanation answers
Most of the ppl don't see dat the think gininda is clever he is a liar
To my analysis (1) Brigadier Gininda was well prepared (2)Adv Mshololo was rude and aggressive struggling to poke holes without success
Very true
True
Brigadier Gninda is actually very brilliant and knowledgeable person he speaks very fluently and never hesitate
Brilliant Mr kininda. This policeman will not get bulldozed
Brigadier Gininda, much respect Sir!!!
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You respect nonsense cruel a criminal with blue lie
Yhho poor cross-examination by Mshololo
Very poor
Super poor 100%poor
The TH-cam lawyer's vs
Qualified lawyer's
@@gladysmkhize4085actually she got 0% the worst cross examination shame and being emotional and shouting is making her look more stupid
You Tube lawyers who can't even question their kids😅😅😅😅Ayi man
THANK YOU BRIGADIER GININDA..MUCH APPRECIATED 👏👏👏👏
Much respect for this man and his knowledge
Prince u are 100% correct...this police officer is very competent and his evidence will be welcomed and embraced by the Court...31/1/2024
I like the way Gininda narrating his testimony and give the defense team a free law lesson. To be honest Gininda was well prepared and know his job. I salute 👏
Ndaaa....he knows what he is talking about there is not even a shadow of doubt and his evidence will be pivotal in embarrassing the wholele defence version or stand point...31/1/2024
He is unshaken and very clear and straight to the point..
Mshololo is very petty, Gininda is answering all these questions to assist the court in the best possible way, all she wants is to cut the information provided for her benefit.
Gininda knows English but he doesn't answer questions
The defence must have learned a thing or two from a police officer, Brigadier Gininda. Unless if they're too slow to learn. They're still going to learn from the Judge and the Prosecutor 🤞🏾
True how to lie and evade questions
@@siphonengu5436 even you can learn from watching this case since you seems to be confused like the defence.
Learning is a process, jumping to conclusions is leaving school during recess.
Too slow 🤣🤣
@maropenggivenmaenetja9295
Are you sure you are not the one who is confused. When one stoops to attacking persons instead of facts it shows you lack emotional intelligence
They were all waiting for Gininda.... Now he is here and they are amazed.... He knows his work in an out... Hat off❤
Remember this is a trial within a trial, the line of evidence presentation and also questioning thereof is to substantiate the validity of the confessions. We are not yet in the main trial, wait until then and come again to say this, if he is going to be called for the main trial!
What's wrong with this woman, she's very authoritative and always insists in doing things her way even if she's out of line.
SHE CANNOT RESIST EMBARRASSING HERSELF 😂
Yini u want her to do things ur way Na??
She wants the honest truth
She is a woman. HER WAY
@@dineomadiseng2374and she has made a complete fool of herself
The kitchen is too hot for Adv Mshololo
Mr Gininda is too brilliant than Mngomezulu Mshololo, his ability is too far higher than two together😅😅😅😅
Knowing English doesn't me.u r brilliant whit people hass brainwashed u
This corrupt cop he's just making unnecessary explanations
@@juniormaila6712The same person who you call corrupt wants to lock up the Nkabis to protect our communities, which side are u in?
No I beg to differ coz Gininda z not answering Mshololo keeps on saying ihave answered that with Mngomezulu its simple a way of trying to avoid to contradict himself
People's advocate Mshololo asking irrelevant questions and she's stubborn, actually she's annoying and wasting time yoh uyadika shame
Gininda is true meaning of black excellent, he is knowledgeable about lot of things.
😂he brings out. "I will leave it for argument"
Ginida is a true reflection of corruption n fraud in SAPS. Do u know the content/exhibit in second Docket which was collected by warrant officer Makhuvho and Canel Buthelezi? I can see u just gt this train on station u don't whr is it coming. The projector who was supposed to take second Docket has suspended. Canel Buthelezi was suspended bfr he died warrant Makhuvho was suspended n removed from the case then this corrupt cop was brought in n stole all statements in second docket he opened his own docket with new suspects. Many magistrates were approached in kzn fr taking down of confessions by the refused until thy fnd these corrupt magistrate n mpotho😢
A knowledgeable liar of note!
The day you will wrongly accused by so called criminals like Gininda you will be singing a different song.....if you have followed this case from day one you will understand that lot of things went wrong to this case....why did they shut down Makhubo evidence after he/she took so long 2 investigate all of sudden....inkabi went to that house do you how inkabi operate
Don't be food by big, meaningless terms that have nothing to do with the questions asked. What Gininda is doing is called waffling. He is talking yes, but does it answer the question
It appears Brigadier Gininda's eloquence lies in explaining rather than providing clear answers. Intelligence isn't solely about articulation but also about problem-solving and critical thinking. Perhaps his verbosity obscures his ability to address issues directly. It's crucial for the defense to highlight flaws in evidence, but the court must ensure decisions are based on evidence beyond reasonable doubt. A balance between eloquence and substance is imperative in legal proceedings.
Well said 👌👌👌not these that are impressed by empty eloquence
Since when are these proceedings about intelligence? The man is clear, direct and honest.
The guy doesn't answer questions. He likes elaborating even when there is no need.
Elaborating yet not answering? 😂
I agree. His expatiation and domineering are a clear sign that he is deceiving and he is being defensive.
Advocate mshololo u r 2 weak for brigadier General Gininda n u are exposing urself by more questioning him. Salute General
Gininda go rest brother you made us proud, you are one black excellence
😂 Gininda said nothing important here the only thing he hs done is to speak excellent English
Gininda as a Minister of SAPS 🔥🔥
Gininda 80
Mshololo 20
Mr Gininda is the real Senior #well versed and very clear
It is always assumed that serving officers are not eloquent enough. But hands down, Brigadier Gininda has changed the thinking. Par excellent. Well experienced and up to the task.
Like everybody, he is not infallible but he has indeed assisted the court.
He doesn't answer the question instead he explains
@@lindanicele7857 Well trained investigator.
I enjoyed even his Queen's Language. Proficient!
Don't confuse been well articulated with competence.
Listen at questions plus answers...
@@YTL-hi5ll All the same. He has been able to advance the State's Case. He was not categorised as recalcitrant witness. Who are you to judge?
The Law of Evidence. Period!
This guy gininda is a problem, instead of him giving evidence to the court but he is trying to convince the court.
Mr Gininda usuyazibonisa izinhloso zakho noma indimayakhoze kulelicala.amaqiniso avezwe u Sfiso asesobala ngawe
Lomuntu akaphenduli sdalo uchaza lestory sakhe nje kuphela ijaji liyamvuna
True
Mshololo seems to be the most confused defence lawyer.
Mr Gininda you're fire 🔥
Why is he allowed to talk before raising his hand or while the judge is still talking. Why are not court procedures not followed
I'm disappointed with Mshololo, she wasted court time today, I respect Gninda, if I were in his positions I should have lost it long time ago,
Why is Mshololo so mean, compare her with other defense lawyers, she gets 2/10. Her line of questioning is bad.
Very
😅😊
😂😂😂
M not sure about the term "Witchdoctor" (igqwirha) i think the appropriate tetm is "Traditional healer" (ixhwele) (inyanga in isiZulu) i think this was canvassed in Farlam commission and it was agreed upon that the word/phrase "Traditional Doctor" should be used. But m open to correction or different views guys...31/1/2024...Farlam commission (Marikana Commission).
Gininda his a clever crook cop,he explains than answers questions 🤞
Gininda is mopping the floor with Mshololo - period.
He is so intelligent 😂
Subsequent to that😂😂
42:01 😂
😂😂And she hasn't been able to counter attack not even once
What will be wrong if Gininda can say no or yes without adding some words.
Just a waist of time today,Gininda beka vule isikolo efundisa u mshololo umthetho
Exactly she has learnt a lot am sure I wonder what's grades she got
Re examination in chief answers answered no explanation 2:11:25
Mshololo wasted the court's time today
Black advocates keep disappointing us this mshololo lady is very rude and disrespectful.
The witness is also very rude, the Judge is lenient to this witness and he doesn't treat this witness like other witnesses who came before him.
Mshololo was a total mess and truly speaking she was frustrated because she realised she is loosing and no proper questioning at all to top it all she became rude and irritating as well ..U have lost hope and trust in her utafana no adv Teffo
"Black advocates keep disappointing us" really Black advocates?
Speak for yourself, don't use "us" rather use "me" that is you. You have been disappointed by Black Advocates. What is a black advocate?
It is not about colour or race. Every person is unique and have different levels of ability and skill - you will realize this as you grow and continue to learn.
2:14:55 this guy can answer questions directly but only when asked by state
3 motnths away and one can still tell whose side Ratha is on. His demeanour is stil as appalling!
Why is on the law side e neh he is supposed be impartial ? Do i understand you well?
@Greatness-dd6pifairness to whom? The killers of Senzo ...stop dreaming...be real
The problem with confessions... Is that the accused do not have any evidence to present
56:04 The reason other police officers do that is to avoid professes like this trial within a trial. The accused argument is that the police assulted them and forced them to signed the alleged confession.
Gininda gave me hope. I now have a bit of hope with the SAPS. 🙏🏽
Did Mmusi Maimane give you the same hope in the DA? Black people speaking English well, and then loving the sound of their voices, does not automatically equate to black excellence. Let us judge the substance of what they say, not how they say it.
@Master_Picks, you are mixing issues.
@@PearlKekana-qf4kp Substantiate
U must be dum enough
M losing respect towards Mshoza
They lose hope to this judge
She knows what she is doing
Why is that?
Mshololo and mgomezulu have lost this case because all they ask is nonsense
This case like all others will ultimately reach its completion. A verdict will therefore be reached.
Follow-up of what? If an earlier interview before he was taken to Kennel then it's "still an interview continuing" no matter if it was or wasn't lengthy. 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
why are we referring to a diary if there is a official statements
Him and his people don’t see any use of official documents because he is just too smart😂😂😂 as they say
SABC please invite Gininda so we can thank him
Tell them..because I really liked his tasks and he was on point answered all questions with professionalism and to the core..big up Gininda
Ratha had enough of Mshololo cross examination 😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂mshololo was a mess shame ratha was irritated bcz she was just wasting time
Lo ginanda wenu silence judgement . Sizobona izombekaphi. He is corrupt full stop
What happened with the sound today?.
Everything in South Africa .The whole Africa
Did Mshololo ask Gininda what his highest level of education is? 😂 I have never seen her so humbled. Yohhh😂
There was no need. That was asked in examination in chief and Gininda answered
It was already asked /answered. You heard the judge reading the Basson judgment that she is not allowed to repeat questions. What’s your qualifications to miss such a simple judgment
But mshololo always askesbeven after baloyinasks she likes to undermine witnesses but Gininda was a threat to her she knows she knows that she is dealing with qualified person so she can't rather be humble and shame she made a fool of herself today shame hope she learnt something today
Just know that people who used to get zeros at primary and Matric level are now grown up and are busy making comments pretending to be knowledgeable adults now, the rest is history and drama!!!
What law the judge to Understand how come he became a judge without understanding the law ????
Gininda with the repetition of "subsequent" and people think he's smart 😂😂 Ai suka
Eish frustrating everyone yena no Ratha
Mshololo best of da best ntombazane phez"kwakhe ,hambanayeeeeeee.....
It is unfortunate circumstances that those boys in dock box can't prove that they were beaten and intimidated by kininta and his gangster
Take a note: some of us we know, we've been there police do horrible things for extra money. Police always protect one another, only cases were prominent individuals are involved you will hear
1. Minister of Police,
2. National Commissioner of Police,
3. People at Power position.
Commenting on it and the arrest will amazed everyone, senzo's life was a sacrifice to show the world how injustice the south african people are living in
dont trust Ginida
He's a true reflection of corruption n fraud
Yes don’t ever trust him and BALOYI
Wich channel?
Yeeey dat gininda can talk yooo by that time the answer must be a 1word aay lendoda
@Greatness-dd6pi which school did you guys attend where the answer is to be "Yes/No" yet you explained?...🤔 I wonder what he will answer if asked if his name is Giginda.🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
@Greatness-dd6pithank you 100%
@Greatness-dd6pi 🤣🤣 If you say so,still brings me to a better understanding of the questions..."Yes or No" answers required here as repeatedly reminded by the lawyers and not to explain/elaborate taking us to your essays and theories 🤷🏽♀️. Most of the time ends up in listening to the over explanations that are given 😴 🥱 . He was asked if he continued the interview when the accused person was returned and he said, "No" he then explained and said they didn't have a lengthy conversation of the interview prior to when the accused person was taken to Kennel. Short or long it's still an interview continuation 🤷🏽♀️🤦🏾♀️.
Shym Mshololo she meet her friends
We don't care even if the judge is your defence advocate. 😂 Gininda is in our custody now onwards☹️😂😂😂☹️🇿🇦💕🇿🇦
Mjiakho was promised something by Gininda but never materialized he gave everything to Devance hence the is blood-stained documents fact watch and learn tables will turn
Now Gininda denied knowing MJIYAKO which is which ,who called this Mji,who paid him .If its Ntanzi invoices must be produced
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@@octaviantombzodwatshabalal4531
Bathathe Adv Mshololo hey kumnandi ukukholwa Mina nje ngizibonela ubuhlani obuvela kubaba uNkulunkulu kuAdv Mshololo Iyoooooh ngeke uhlakaniphile uadvocate Mshololo ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ ❤❤ ufisa into kamakhelwane masekunje 😂😂😂😂ngeke ngiyabaleka ubuhlakani buka Adv Mshololo ngeke Mzansi uhamba yedwa
Adv using objects to explain the activity😂😂😂😂today Mina ngiyafunda kuAdv Mshololo everyone need inclusive skill😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤
Mshololo is a time waster and jeeds more practise and knowledge which she is lacking...she is looking for attention by shouting but making a complete fool of herself shame mshololo
Mshololo is dealing with procedure in her Cross Exam I don't know why this judge must jump up and down with his whole lot of irrationality... Here the defence must prove there was no coercion in the construction of this so called statements of confession. I don't buy this judge's smiling when Gininda does not answer procedural questions, this is not substantive question or merit questions. Bit this rubbish judge of s talking about a senior Police here . What senior police is refusing to help court arrive at the answer who Killed Senzo..this senior police officers is evasive, with assistant of this apartheid judge
The procedure she does not understand herself. SAPS work processes are not necessarily translating into legal processes.
@@noahnyatlo3453 because you think SAPS is above procedure. That's what Gininda was told 😂 that is bullshit in real life 😂 . .
Judge rata will read our judgement 😂 not police judgement. For the second time around 😂. Judge rata is just an agent.not our judge 😂
Exactly
Brigadier Gininda is schooling this pro bono lawyers 🙏🏽🙏🏽Weldone to the police who moered this murders until they confess the truth..We need police like this if we really need to deal with crime .now we got the truth and the court can now drive justice for senzo
He teach them for.free mahhala
@@gladysmkhize4085 🤣🤣🤣🤣true .they had to sacrifice by offering their services to this clients for free
Can't you see that he doesn't answer the questions instead he explains
Sometimes where they need one word answer then he gave them an essay
@@lindanicele7857 😂😂😂is he giving no answer or more than what he is asked ?…
Am with you the my brother
Gininda we Country 👌👌👌 siyabonga Sir 🙏
Thank you brigadier Gininda I'm proud of you as you know your stories and I'm really proud of you.
I wish minister of police and sa citizens were also proud to have a police man including Brigadier like you.
Big up my brigadier big up.
From makgabo manamela.
If you don't know or understand law please keep quiet
Gaan slaap
Mncomeni nje logininda wenu oyisigebengu okhuluma amanga odwa ngoba azi kakhulu isilungu
Bayeke wena basezokhamisa xa kuphuma inyani ngalo mgulukudu ungu gininda no baloyi
If few of the policemen who gave evidence were narating it like gininda wether true or false th8s case would've been far.
So far i was impressed with gininda nd the other retired policeman who worked with exhibits by that time .u can easily relay what the say or paint on de picture that include seargeant mogola the lady.the fact of de matter we want to hear from them what they know nd did then leave it to the judge.as for the defence they are full of unpreparedness sometimes. Most of the time they take their eyes of the ball on critical times.
Minister Gininda!!!or professor Gininda well done
Professor of lies and corruption. Limenemene elajingiswa phezu kweziko kwathwa uzukhanyele into oyaziyo
@@nondzukisomazosiwe3711 ubufakazi balawo manga buphi si khuluma ngobufakazi obuphambi kwenkantolo thank you Gininda who knows ukuthi ukuba lenkabi aziboshiwe bangaki abantu angabe sebeshonile
Translation of the Station Commander is disappointing
😂😂😂😂Mthathe Adv Mshololo warning statement level of education 😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤
@mphomangole
brigadier knows exactly who killed senzo, but his mentioning kelly as master mind to drift away focus of many to the actual killer of senzo "de bhakaniya" meyiwa.
Mr Gininda very calm! Your favourite Mshololo fighting.
I will also be calm if I had the same protection from court
@@Ms_Mankotham being calm is personality not something you can pay for. She provoked him many times but he remained calm. If she knows her client is innocent and gave proof why emotions are involved? She must use facts to defend not emotion.
Brigadier gininda is a star ( campion) he deserve a high ranking or minister of police
He'll no!
Gininda the lier
Emotions are not gonna assist you canceller,you are illiterate that brigadier is learned 😂😂😂
Who's illiterate you. Do you understand what illiterate means. Ijo
Mshololo and Mgomezulu are both illiterate Shane .they just know basic law..they passed with basic marks
These English compositions are 30% below basic...too many pots calling the kettle black 😂
dangerous people abusing power..
But subsequently, if you ask me a question, and you can get your answer out of explanation, I answered
Eskoleni they use to say answer yes.or no and they will also say yes or no then support your answer 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This new testimony will shock so many people. You might find that the accused was injured or either Kelly was visiting the accused in jail 😂😂😂
If Senzo's brother was in the same click with Gininda at work, he will be singing praises. Just saying. Somehow kuyavela ukuthi Senzo's was on Kelly's side then Mandisa 😝. Kancane kancane uyavela
it is the judge playing defense by allowing kininta to deviates answers, and make long explanations that raised follow up quetions. They "judge, prosecutor, and the police" are concoct together to confuse this case. These people have been bought to convict and sentenced those boys, they are working on the mandate if one can see this; a mandate to finished this case as quick as possible disregarding the innocent or guiltiness of the accused before court 😢 look at this÷
1. I have paid a lot of money "therefore i will not be summoned to court over a fire arm killed senzo"
2. I have paid money "therefore my son would not be involved in this case"
3. I have paid money "to protect some of those who were in the house"
4. Myself and my sister paid money" to protect myself and our mother not to be court subpoena"
NB: i will see what i can do, but it won't be easy.
This is kind of justice we are subject to, because of greedy people.