Could Titanic's passengers have used the iceberg as a Lifeboat?

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  • In this video we discuss the possibility of using the Iceberg the Titanic hit as a way to evacuate everyone on the ship before she sank. Would climbing onto this iceberg have saved everyone onboard the ship? Well watch this video to find out!
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  • @AmazingKevinWClark
    @AmazingKevinWClark ปีที่แล้ว +104

    That's also assuming that the iceberg has a flat enough surface area for over 2000 people to stand on.

  • @shawnkeith1164
    @shawnkeith1164 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    Not only are bergs unstable but what lies below the waterline is a complete unknown. No captain in his right mind would deliberately maneuver an already-damaged ship close to a berg and risk further damage when he already knows his ship is sinking. What, risk having it sink faster? It's a fool's errand.

    • @The_East_Charlieton_Railway
      @The_East_Charlieton_Railway ปีที่แล้ว +15

      If the captain was a 6 year old, then yes he would attempt it

    • @DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY
      @DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY ปีที่แล้ว +1

      People these days manage to climb onto icebergs just fine. They’re about 10% as hard as concrete and I’m sure victims of the Titanic sinking would’ve tried to climb onto icebergs if only they were able to see them

    • @American_Savage
      @American_Savage ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No Captain in their right mind would be driving a ship as big as the Titanic at full speed in the dead of night near a known iceberg area with fog all around… but that happened, didnt it?

    • @michaelmacleod7051
      @michaelmacleod7051 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In hindsight it might have been worth the attempt by going back, slamming into the berg at about 10 knots hoping the bow would jam into the ice and pincer there (without the berg rolling over) that might have prevented the sinking entirely by stopping the domino cascade of compartments flooding but it would have been a hell of a risk. Was either get half the passengers off on lifeboats or take a longshot gamble of saving everyone. Actually boarding the iceberg itself would be a complete non-starter

    • @robertwillhite9077
      @robertwillhite9077 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was thinking this very same thing about ramming the bow of the ship into the iceberg....until I saw the part about icebergs tipping over. The Titanic still would have sunk, eventually. But maybe this would have bought some time for the Carpathia and other ships to come to the rescue before she foundered. A risky manuveur none the less as it could have resulted in a bigger disaster or could have saved the day.

  • @alarmassist
    @alarmassist ปีที่แล้ว +65

    When I was in the navy doing basic sea survival we did an experiment and concluded the best way to have evacuated the most people would of been to raft up the lifeboats. By bringing them alongside each other, running the ores across the tops and tying them down. This created an incredibly firm platform and increased each boats capacity by over 50%.

    • @RebeccaTurner-ny1xx
      @RebeccaTurner-ny1xx ปีที่แล้ว +5

      "running the ores across the tops"? Where would the Titanic crew have found ores? Bauxite, iron, manganese? Wouldn't it be quite heavy? Ohhhh... OARS. Now I get it.

    • @ChronicPlays
      @ChronicPlays ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx They also said 'would of', which is completely wrong. It's 'would have'.

    • @Pyxis10
      @Pyxis10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ​@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xxThis isn't an english lesson, and the context is clear.

    • @SkinnerOrg
      @SkinnerOrg 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      In spite of the Grammar Karens present, I appreciate your insight. It's something I wouldn't have thought of, but it makes great sense. Other than in training I wonder if it's ever been tried in a genuine emergency situation.

    • @theresarogers4262
      @theresarogers4262 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Super interesting!!! Now I can't stop thinking about this. I'm keeping this in my back pocket in case I'm ever in a Titanic-type situation. Which I never will be. Because...Titanic. XD XD XD But seriously thank you for posting it!!!

  • @MegCazalet
    @MegCazalet ปีที่แล้ว +17

    When I was a kid I saw a Weekly World News tabloid cover claim “TITANIC SURVIVORS FOUND ON ICEBERG - THINK IT’S 1912”. For some reason, THAT headline got under my skin and creeped me out more than the more overtly scary stuff. Though prophecies of the end of the world would always scare me, and those are big in those publications. But somehow time traveling Titanic passengers being found on an iceberg really unsettled me, and I’ve never explored why.

  • @GuentherVanRaven
    @GuentherVanRaven ปีที่แล้ว +44

    In my honest opinion, you could do a video on any history related topic and I would watch it. The way you present it makes it so enjoyable!

  • @NealBones
    @NealBones ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Short answer, NO! 😅 I don't know if you've ever watched footage of bergs or anyone attempting to climb one, but they're beyond unstable(they are just floating after all) and can very easily shift out from underneath you, dumping you back into the freezing ocean and potentially crushing you as it rolls over.

  • @Tina37212
    @Tina37212 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    WOW! James Cameron should've never made this suggestion!!! Thank you for this exceptional, educated video. It's eye opening. I forgot icebergs flip over whenever they want. Those people were just doomed. Very sad.

    • @robertlauncher
      @robertlauncher ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cameron suggested this? Lol!

    • @MrThebigcheese75
      @MrThebigcheese75 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, I remember him saying it in a documentary.

    • @robertlauncher
      @robertlauncher ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Quick, freezing people! Get on the object made of ice!

    • @keithmartin1328
      @keithmartin1328 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​​@@robertlauncherit was on Tony Robinson's Titanic Journey shown on British TV (channel 4)in December 2005.
      While on the last dive on the trip to the wreck James Cameron did make this suggestion.

    • @NDnf84
      @NDnf84 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@robertlauncherif it was possible, standing on ice would be a lot better than freezing water.

  • @clairecelestin8437
    @clairecelestin8437 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You did a great job with this one. As soon as you mentioned the premise, I kept thinking about footage I've seen of iceberg overturn. It's very likely the 'berg got cracked below the water line, and very likely it would flip over. If they had tried the iceberg plan, the newspapers would have read "all hands lost" and we wouldn't know anything about the disaster except the wireless messages.

  • @truthteller9154
    @truthteller9154 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I've often wondered about makeshift rafts. I mean they had over 2 hours to build something/anything. Scrap the ship of its doors and chairs. Their was rope on board to fasten the doors, chairs and tables together to at least attempt to get something to float in order to save more people. In a situation like that it's worth a shot.

    • @YrnehLrak
      @YrnehLrak ปีที่แล้ว +13

      They just barely had time to get the lifeboats lowered in that time. Also they threw promenade chairs off to hold onto. I think its not so easy if we were IN the situation. Two hours really isn't an ocean of time.

    • @truthteller9154
      @truthteller9154 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@YrnehLrak It isn't a lot of time BUT that's the kind of thinking I'd have, get to work and do something productive. I've been in life or death situations and am calm and level headed ( usually ) Death doesn't scare me.
      Get a small group of people together and build a makeshift raft and at the very least try it out. Wouldn't take long to tie a rope around a couple tables and chairs, 10 minutes tops to do that. Got to do something other than wait around for the inevitable. If it only saves one person than so be it, 1 extra life saved.

    • @nixxijanelle7334
      @nixxijanelle7334 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      You have to understand that they didn’t have the knowledge of knowing the ship was indeed gonna sink. They found out a little later And they were trying to keep ppl calm.

    • @truthteller9154
      @truthteller9154 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@nixxijanelle7334 I'm well aware. They sure as hell knew they were going down the last 45 minutes or so. That's still ample time to try to build a makeshift raft. At least, I'd be attempting to.

    • @marymccaffrey48
      @marymccaffrey48 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@YrnehLraktotally agree. The shock of it all

  • @recessional5560
    @recessional5560 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s interesting to hear stories from someone obsessed who loves eats and breathes the Titanic. Thank you for taking your time to make videos.

  • @MegCazalet
    @MegCazalet ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Thank you for mentioning the time crunch. I think many people forget how complex and time consuming loading and launching lifeboats is. Titanic sank slowly compared to other famous ship disasters like Empress of Ireland or Lusitania but very quickly compared to disasters where near everyone was rescued - like the Andrea Doria, which involved a highly dramatic rescue operation that took almost every possible moment they had, over 12 hours, I think.
    I say this every time I comment, but for the same reason, the Californian was NEVER viable as a means of rescuing every passenger. It was also too poorly organized for such a big operation, didn’t have a big enough crew, didn’t have enough space, and didn’t have enough time, even if it had rushed to the scene. In ideal conditions would’ve worked only as part of a larger operation.
    Best it could’ve done was facilitate picking people out of the water. The men balanced on the overturned collapsible A would’ve certainly appreciated it. But I always push back when anyone brings up the Californian as a game-changer. It’s no iceberg of course!

    • @TV-ly3dp
      @TV-ly3dp ปีที่แล้ว

      Collapsible B was overturned Collapsible A was swamped with water

    • @pumpkensdiapers1417
      @pumpkensdiapers1417 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wouldn’t have the Californian be pulled down by the suction sinking of the titanic though?

  • @jesselong5917
    @jesselong5917 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Lol could you imagine all the first class passengers in the fancy outfits sitting on top of an iceberg?😂

  • @stevencooper2464
    @stevencooper2464 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As icebergs melt, they lose most of their mass below the water line; as a result, they become top-heavy and roll over; and they will roll over many many times before they are completely melted.
    Then there's the simple question of "How would the Carpathia find them if they're all on a drifting iceberg?"

  • @whitewolf7156
    @whitewolf7156 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I really like this channel a lot. Covering not just the sinking of ships but also what-if scenario’s, the reasons why it happened, stories about exceptional crew members or passengers, you name it. You’re not making a spectacle out if it, which is great. I have a fear of the ocean, but also a fascination and i would like more stories about things like this, and especially from this channel. Keep up the great work!

  • @Coolcatzz2323
    @Coolcatzz2323 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I have one question, how long can the SS California get to titanic aid if the officer or the crew wake up the wireless operator.

    • @jamie91995
      @jamie91995 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Well californian had a top speed of 12 knots, so about 14 miles per hour. Let's say the californian was 20 miles away, thats almost an hour and a half. Keep in mind that the californian was also stopped with her engines off and surrounded by icebergs, so they would've had to start the engines up and maneuver through this ice field. To top it off, it wasn't until 12:15 the first distress call was sent out. So the fastest the californian could have theoretically reached the titanic would've been by 1:45 AM assuming there was no ice and the ship was running at full speed. The key word is theoretically, because like I said, you have to account for starting the engines up and maneuvering through the ice field. Take into account starting up the ships engines, you're looking at a few extra hours, plus you'll need to make it through the ice field and then slow down to avoid running everybody over. So I'd say probably 4-6 hours.

    • @kylestephens9593
      @kylestephens9593 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@jamie91995 you robbed Sam off this opportunity for a video by answering to that comment 😁
      Would add that even if SS Californian was on the scene on time, let say 1:45 AM as you said, the transfer of passangers is too slow. They probably won't (or woldn't be able to) go that close to the sinking ship, so the only way survivors can get on Californian is by lifeboats, and this is extremely slow process. I think it took the crew of Carpathia 4 hours to pick up Titanics' lifeboats.

    • @jamie91995
      @jamie91995 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @kylestephens9593 well my information could still be off. Sam might be able to do research to see how long it takes to actually start the engines, get up to speed, slow down, etc.

    • @fabulouschild2005
      @fabulouschild2005 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It would have probably arrived partway through the Titanic's sinking, so in theory everyone could have been saved

    • @jamie91995
      @jamie91995 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @fabulouschild2005 if the titanic took 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink, and the californian didn't know for 35 minutes, then it would've had 2 hours and 5 minutes to reach the titanic. If it was already moving in the direction of titanic at full speed and there were no obstacles, it would've reached the titanic with about 35 minutes to spare. But starting up a ships engine takes time, building speed takes time, and maneuvering through an ice field in the dark takes time. The californian couldn't have realistically helped the titanics survivors.

  • @damonehogan5064
    @damonehogan5064 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks! I really like your videos.

  • @dentonscheibal3
    @dentonscheibal3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Could you make a video about if the Titanic didn't strike the iceberg, never sank and had successfully made it to it's destination in New York City? I've seen some other videos detailing what the Titanic's future would most likely be like had she survived to be part of the WWI war effort, the 1920s, 1930s and even beyond but i would be interested in seeing what your alternate future for the Titanic would be like and how different society would be with the Titanic continuing to be used and all those passengers making it to their destination and getting to continue on with their lives and even what the future would hold for maritime safety, the shipping industry and even the White Star Line company itself.

  • @sergioruiz5036
    @sergioruiz5036 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It would've been so cool Thomas Andrews coming up with a way to build fast and easily deployable rafts with the wood materials at hand as plan B for the people left out from the life boats.

  • @leeedwards9994
    @leeedwards9994 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    often thought myself a large scale crew cordinated cabin door removal and chuck over the side would have been very helpful to keep people out of the water ... but on the night people were being told off by some crew for damaging fixtures and fittings .... hindsight is a wonderful thing at the time many things are overlooked ...... also people act on their training ....

  • @therazieltroller5650
    @therazieltroller5650 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey sam! I don't know if you will see this but I've been following this channel for awhile now and I can say I've grown to love it. I just keep another window and do my work while listening to titanic facts and theories. I've always had a intense interest in titanic since I was in 4th grade. I can't wait for new videos!

  • @alisonrainbowz6861
    @alisonrainbowz6861 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    They did a fantastic job at rescuing Titanic's survivors, in extremely tragic, challenging circumstances 🙏

    • @bryantsteury8910
      @bryantsteury8910 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Especially considering the reticence of people to jump on the initial boats

    • @jackoneill76
      @jackoneill76 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The speed with what they did so is also quite impressive!

    • @kasvinimuniandy4178
      @kasvinimuniandy4178 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      truly. I used to think the Titanic was the worst disaster but to be honest, the people behaved much more humanely and responsibly than modern day incidents. They lacked the technology and safety regulations but still focused on saving as many lives as possible.
      Sewol, Estonia, Costa Concordia, the overcrowded ferries. :( :(
      Sewol was the worst. Titanic's crew and passengers prioritised saving women and children but those incompetent individuals left children to die in that sinking vessel. :( :( :(

    • @TV-ly3dp
      @TV-ly3dp ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​​@@kasvinimuniandy4178I know the Sewol Ferry is such a tragedy, becuase not only did the captain and main crew abandoned them, the whole government abandoned the. And the fact that a US Navy Ship was nearby and was refused when they asked for help is very tragic. My heart aches for those 300+ students and passengers. And what makes it even worse is that it happened over the span of days, and the Korean government failed them because they cared too much about their public image rather then the lives of their children.

  • @sallobo777
    @sallobo777 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Can you make a detailed video about 'Stanley Lord' the captain of SS Californian?
    I know you made a brief video about the Californian years ago, but I felt the story after the sinking as also interesting.
    Stanley Lord was looked at as being the main bad guy at the time.
    His life was pretty much ruined after that; I think this may have been Captain Smith's fate had he survived.
    He lived pretty long and tried to clear his name daily for 50 years, even months before his death as an +80-year-old he was still filling petitions in courts to clear his name.
    I think most people associated with that Titanic, that where there or had family there, moved on with their lives, but Stanley Lord was haunted by it every single day of his life for the next 50 years.
    People say he was an arrogant captain, but it seems all naval captains at the time came out as arrogant to people that met them. It was just how naval culture was at the time.

    • @iamhungey12345
      @iamhungey12345 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Plus the WSL likely would have used Smith as a scapegoat to save face.

    • @ilovebeinagirl
      @ilovebeinagirl ปีที่แล้ว

      Good point, and I'm sure they would do that.@@iamhungey12345

    • @robertrandall2916
      @robertrandall2916 ปีที่แล้ว

      Would be great

    • @susanbeal4322
      @susanbeal4322 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don’t think we should judge anyone …. A fateful night…I think people thought Stanley Lord should have woken up the wireless operator to find out what was really going on…. But who would have even fathomed that the titanic… a mighty ship on maiden voyage would have been sinking …

    • @abhisheksavant4307
      @abhisheksavant4307 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There is an awesome documentary about it called Titanic Enquiry: crew of ss Californian.
      Worth a watch for all things Titanic nerds lol

  • @Dan_Ben_Michael
    @Dan_Ben_Michael ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Icebergs are very unstable and can easily tip over.
    Edit: I should’ve known Sam would cover that in the video.

    • @BasketBallRapper750
      @BasketBallRapper750 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And it's slippery to climb on

    • @KG-ds2fj
      @KG-ds2fj ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@BasketBallRapper750And its cold asf

    • @nodescriptionavailable3842
      @nodescriptionavailable3842 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@skeptic2188they flip regularly, salt water lowers freeze temp, erodes berg, flip, repeat, and we're talking a small concert worth of people, band included lol
      RIP
      Fascinating to ponder though

    • @KG-ds2fj
      @KG-ds2fj ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skeptic2188 probably

  • @JDMHaze
    @JDMHaze ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “posted 2 mins ago”. wow i’ve never been this early!! not even for work 😂😂 thanksss 👌

  • @philipandersson4932
    @philipandersson4932 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Finally! I have been thinking of this scenario myself for a long time☺️ great video as always Sam ! ❤

  • @wendypetersen7529
    @wendypetersen7529 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was fascinating. I had never thought about the iceberg as a solution, but you put forth a brilliant hypothesis. I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for sharing.

  • @JamesHolman-sr4mo
    @JamesHolman-sr4mo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for posting :
    I have wondering & have had asked this before ,

  • @chrisdowns1987
    @chrisdowns1987 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Berg flipping footage is deeply unsettling for some reason, looks almost deliberate almost like a sea monster 😮

  • @Tom______________
    @Tom______________ ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I remember James Cameron saying in an interview that the Iceberg as a lifeboat would have worked. Wonder how he came to a different conclusion....

    • @eifionjones559
      @eifionjones559 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cameron is the last person you want to listen toif you want facts about the Titanic

    • @kirkmorrison6131
      @kirkmorrison6131 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Because he has never been a sailor. Passing bergs you frequently see them roll not every time but it's not that rare.

    • @Tom______________
      @Tom______________ ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd think that someone who has designed a custom Sub to solo dive to the bottom of the Mariana Trench - the deepest part of the Ocean would know that Icebergs can roll. lol. @@kirkmorrison6131

    • @lachmack8967
      @lachmack8967 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      James Cameron was so annoying in that documentary, he is so full of himself and considers himself the know it all numero uno of the titanic.

  • @neilbain8736
    @neilbain8736 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    People need to know this. Thank you.

  • @tred6292
    @tred6292 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not to mention that even if the Titanic crew magically managed to get everyone on the Ice Berg, you then have to think about how you get them all OFF the Berg.
    How’s another ship, a rescue vessel, supposed to pull up alongside it? What happens if the rescue ship hits the Berg itself, and starts to sink? You’ve basically put everyone on a floating hazard that has already claimed one ship and could very well also claim the ships that come to rescue its passengers.
    Not to mention the fact that Ice Bergs are often much bigger under the water than above it, and if Titanic were to push against the underside of the Ice Berg as it goes down, or creates a big wave right next to it when the Stern of the ship breaks and hits the water, then that Berg could move or flip and send all those people into the water.

    • @DmitriyBch
      @DmitriyBch 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Using small boats would be safe enough

  • @paulboger3101
    @paulboger3101 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keep up the good work!!

  • @lloydknighten5071
    @lloydknighten5071 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I agree with you Sam. I don't think that there would have been any possiblity that TITANIC'S crew could have relocated the iceberg. And even if they could, driving TITANIC, full speed ahead, with a huge hole in its bow, would have made her sink faster. Nor would it be wise to direct passengers to either row or swim to the iceberg. For an iceberg is a huge MOUNTAIN of ice. And nobody would have been able to climb aboard it.

  • @c4ster.1
    @c4ster.1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Crazy how much you’ve grown, I just noticed your subs. Congrats.

  • @Rick.Hunter.Wyatt6
    @Rick.Hunter.Wyatt6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yeah your right Sam getting on the iceberg is the worst thing they could have done to save the people from the sinking of the Titanic everyone would have Died most likely .

  • @Ithaca-vv5dy
    @Ithaca-vv5dy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That large iceberg flipping is so bad ass

  • @hellzbelle229
    @hellzbelle229 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yeah... it's creative theory, but even with very limited knowledge of the ocean, I can see that using an iceberg as a giant lifeboat wouldn't have been a great idea from a practical standpoint.

  • @Bluefroggy84
    @Bluefroggy84 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your videos! Glad to nerd out with fellow Titanic fans!

  • @jackoneill76
    @jackoneill76 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    In addition to the logistical nightmare that I just described, there is also a moral dilemma:
    Do you take the guaranteed chance of saving at least **some** portion of the passengers - or gamble it all in a risky All-In bet?
    Timing is also of the essence here:
    Because if you’re convinced that you have enough time to attempt the iceberg strategy, there is a decent chance that the Titanic will sink slow enough for help to get there in time.
    Getting a football team of 30 highly athletic players across a narrow bridge over a gap is going to take you *at least* 5 minutes, that’s 10 seconds of crossing time per person. So a full evacuation is going to take you several hours!
    Why not load all lifeboats to maximum capacity first - and then make a suicide run at maximum speed towards the Carpathia?
    Taking on water is irrelevant at that point - you have saved as many as you could have in the lifeboats - only then do you take an All-In gamble with those who’d die anyways should you fail.
    And then I’d do the math - attempting the Iceberg is truly an all or nothing option, and you need time once you get there - whereas you could actually miss the Carpathia just slightly - and still have a chance of them being able to pull some people out of the freezing cold water.

  • @shadowpulpfan1810
    @shadowpulpfan1810 ปีที่แล้ว

    THANK YOU SAM! I've been waiting a long time for some one to mention icebergs roll. All you really need to do is watch the mini solid icebergs (ice cubes) in your drinks roll to notice this problem.

  • @Rickkennett143
    @Rickkennett143 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    At any rate they wouldn't have immediately turned around to land passengers on the berg as it was some time before they realized the ship was sinking. By then the berg would be a mile or more away in the dark, impossible to find.

  • @josephconnor2310
    @josephconnor2310 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a great addressing of this question.

  • @LpoolDogLover
    @LpoolDogLover ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Sam! I agree with you. And, if people were trying to stand on the iceberg they would be slipping around and falling into the water.
    Thanks for another great video!

  • @THEJORDANLONGCHANNEL
    @THEJORDANLONGCHANNEL ปีที่แล้ว +1

    SAM GREAT FILM MY FRIEND

  • @robertsandberg2246
    @robertsandberg2246 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I have a survival book that mentions people in a cold water survival situation should huddle together to conserve body heat. I've wondered how all 1500 people huddling together in that 28 degree water might have saved more lives.
    As it was, most people just floated on their own and died within 20 or so minutes.

    • @albtckl
      @albtckl ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Try 10 minutes...15 max

  • @Oceanliner_Enthusiast_
    @Oceanliner_Enthusiast_ ปีที่แล้ว

    The thumbnail is amazing sam!!!

  • @jeffhouston7585
    @jeffhouston7585 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm glad you made this video. Since i was a kid, i always tough "why not use the Iceberg?". And you do an incredible job explaining.
    It also kinda answers another thing i've been thinking on: "What if the Titanic was forced against the Iceberg structure to avoid sinking?". Based on this video, the Iceberg would pretty much roll or break or couldn't hold Titanic afloat and would sink with her.

  • @jangokamino0434
    @jangokamino0434 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting video. Visited the SeaCity museum in Southampton on Wed to see if there were any facts I didn’t know. Great place to learn more about the Olympic Class ships

  • @Alexxzie
    @Alexxzie ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hello sam! Super Good! I love you, Big fan!

  • @myrinphoto
    @myrinphoto ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this video, Sam! I think that in such situations there're rules, which the crew has to follow, and they did it the most efficiently (except for Charles Lightoller, of course). And these rules definitely don't include planting passengers on the iceberg that has just killed the ship.

  • @sallykohorst8803
    @sallykohorst8803 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No people could not survive there. Rhanks for this subject

  • @davinp
    @davinp ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Good point. Trying to move a ship that is taking on water can cause more damage and more water to quickly fill the ship

  • @gina6950
    @gina6950 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your videos are excellent 🙌

  • @elperroreggae
    @elperroreggae ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There are a couple of pictures of the Iceberg around, I wonder if they are real.

  • @1bert719
    @1bert719 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In 1898 Morgan Robertson published a novel called "Futility" (wreck of the Titan) where (in spooky foreshadowing) the largest liner ever built hits an iceberg and sinks mid Atlantic. The survivors in the novel (only 13) do seek refuge on the iceberg which the hero then sails to safety. So not as far fetched as it might seem. 🤔

  • @robertgiorlando7206
    @robertgiorlando7206 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is not to mention that, according to On a Sea of Glass, the people were so convinced that the Titanic would not sink that most were unwilling to get into a lifeboat, believing the Titanic to be much safer....to tell them to climb on ice would have been nearly impossible...

  • @michak.3246
    @michak.3246 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The best video :DDDDD

  • @davidbailey6408
    @davidbailey6408 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wonder if they would have reverse the engines and ran the ship in reverse, if that would have helped pull water out of the ship and also buy more time for a rescue. I have always wondered that.

  • @davidbailey6408
    @davidbailey6408 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sam, you do a great job on your topics! You keep things very interesting.

  • @N8Harris99
    @N8Harris99 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And in this situation, parking the Titanic right alongside the iceberg has the very real potential to bump the Titanic along the iceberg and open up even more compartments, accelerating the sinking and costing even more lives.
    Especially if they lost the boiler rooms and the steam pressure, causing the electric Dynamos to go out. Then it’d be utter pandemonium, people scrambling around in total darkness, trampling each other in dark hallways and stairways. There may have genuinely been NO survivors.

  • @ginantsfan5
    @ginantsfan5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Most awesome vid!!!!!!

  • @astradave_
    @astradave_ ปีที่แล้ว

    new historic travels video, day is instantly better

  • @hollykacz1958
    @hollykacz1958 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!!

  • @jesselong5917
    @jesselong5917 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m the second person to watch this video. Great video, Sam

  • @user-gc1yt9pw8k
    @user-gc1yt9pw8k ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Sam,
    I love your channel i have also been interested in titanic since i saw the titanic film back in 97, on my other youtube channel i have also spoken about Titanic and run a Facebook group about the titanic. I also did an episode about the Titanic with another youtuber, again love your channel :).

  • @pavel9652
    @pavel9652 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I predicted all the problems, except unknown shape of an iceberg under waterline, mentioned in the comments. I saw the videos with flipping icebergs few years ago. One thousand people would weight 100 tons, it would flip anything but the biggest icebergs.

  • @elperroreggae
    @elperroreggae ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If everyone aboard would have jumped out of the ship, and pushed the ship all the way to the iceberg, and put it on the top of it. Then they could have it fix it over there and sail back next morning.

  • @DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY
    @DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m sure people would’ve been climbing onto the icebergs if they were only able to see them. When out at night with no moon, you can only really see things close to you and the survivors said they realized they were really surrounded by huge icebergs when the sun rose over the Atlantic after the sinking.

  • @cillianUSEDtoupload
    @cillianUSEDtoupload ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Sam! I'm an ocean liner nerd, and a couple WW1 hospital ships, but mainly early 20th century ocean liners, such as Titanic. I recently made up an ocean liner and wrote a story about it, there are a couple inaccuracies that I plan on fixing, but if you want to read it reply to this and I'll copy and paste it.

  • @penprop01
    @penprop01 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video🎉

  • @norm4966
    @norm4966 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lets turn that in to fun. Lest ask the same question to bright side!

  • @Norwegian_guy89
    @Norwegian_guy89 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is such a wild question

  • @alirezamahdavi2403
    @alirezamahdavi2403 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Sam; Great videos. I really enjoy them.
    Please make one video explaining why titanic bow section underwater points northeast. This may look weird at first sight because she was travelling towards west and even when she hit the berg she was a bit inclined to its left (meaning she approached the south direction). What could have happened that night that we see the bow section points towards northeast?

  • @JamesCarmichael
    @JamesCarmichael ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember James Cameron talking about this in a video. I thought it was ridiculous personally. The idea I had would have been to turn the ship around and sail back to the iceberg and throw the anchors around it. Might have bought some time. I think the best idea would have been to just sail as fast as they could towards the Californian. The ship had 2 and a half hours to live, but all of this is just retrospective brainstorming. Going through this for the first time without all the facts would have been wishful conjecture at best.

  • @dianewalker4633
    @dianewalker4633 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi from New Zealand. As always, your research is impeccable and what you have to say is extremely interesting. I agree with your conclusion in that there is no way using an iceberg as a lifeboat would have worked. You didn't mention that it would have been horribly slippery as well.

  • @PZIsTheCoolest
    @PZIsTheCoolest ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Off topic, could you do a video on the RMS Majestic? she’s my favourite ship😄

  • @ddeder
    @ddeder ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The reason the Titanic sank in the first place is it struck the underwater portion of the iceberg. If they tried to approach the iceberg would they not hit it again possibly doing more damage? Also, assuming the underwater portion of the iceberg extended out from the overwater portion, how would the ship get close enough to offload passengers?

  • @georgiapeach3109
    @georgiapeach3109 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've always wondered about this!!!!

  • @andrewmwells9606
    @andrewmwells9606 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hindsight is a wonderful thing!!

  • @robertrandall2916
    @robertrandall2916 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video

  • @MarianoGardella
    @MarianoGardella ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! What do you think about the other James Cameron's theory? About put the ship in reverse and back it down to the lights on the horizon (The California ship). Thanks for the content on your channel, cheers from Lima, Perú.

  • @kevkev5935
    @kevkev5935 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to always wonder about this. Then again I'm sure the titanic had traveled well past the original ice berg once it started sinking.

  • @MarioMario-vn3fx
    @MarioMario-vn3fx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Agreed it is a freaking miracle that they were able to get all the boats away in time. Barely in the case of the collapsibles A and B. Since those were literally swept off the ship.

  • @AdamFoster-jc5zt
    @AdamFoster-jc5zt ปีที่แล้ว

    In 1901 a germam oceanliner hit a berg head on. It crushed the bow, but survived the voyage. It was called "telescoping".

  • @peterpanini7877
    @peterpanini7877 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can't believe anyone thought this. Icebergs float. In the dark and people with slippery shoes as if you could turn that wounded ship around. Omg

  • @GamerManENCZ
    @GamerManENCZ ปีที่แล้ว

    I can just imagine the passengers stepping on the berg and then slipping down to the ocean

  • @SpyroFan2024
    @SpyroFan2024 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Sam keep up the great work man also how do you feel about the game Titanic Adventure Out of time

  • @connorstallins5804
    @connorstallins5804 ปีที่แล้ว

    video idea: did titanic have bathtubs? do bathtubs float?

  • @Titanicicebergrighthead
    @Titanicicebergrighthead ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I do agree

  • @Imnotyourdoormat
    @Imnotyourdoormat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Expert and experienced boaters alike know if the bilge pump fails and the boat is taking on water... Just get the boat up and moving [the faster the better] and pull the transom plug. The vacuum created will suck the boat dry in seconds. Just don't forget to put the plug back in before slowing down or else. Why couldn't E.J. put the ship in reverse and run it at Carpathia full blast? Thermoshocking the boilers be damned.

  • @spartanz5182
    @spartanz5182 ปีที่แล้ว

    interesting video mate

  • @A.Netizen.Since.2010
    @A.Netizen.Since.2010 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ..Even if that iceberg wouldn't have flipped over by any chance, it would surely take survivors far away from the sinking ship to an unknown location in Atlantic... Things would've turned more miserable then... Icebergs don't stay in a same place because of sea water current... .

  • @philiphumphrey1548
    @philiphumphrey1548 ปีที่แล้ว

    If moving the ship forward increases the rate of flooding, there is the possibility that reversing it would have the opposite effect. I used to sail racing dinghies with transom flaps and self bailers that used the suction effect behind the direction of travel to drain water from the inside. In that case the holes were positioned to maximize the effect which would not be the case with Titanic moving in reverse. But it should have been possible to move the Titanic a short distance in reverse at least without increasing the rate of flooding. Although the rest of the iceberg idea is a non starter.

  • @pavelslama5543
    @pavelslama5543 ปีที่แล้ว

    1 more theory:
    When you find out that it will go down, reverse the ship (to avoid most of the forced flooding), and then smash it head first into the iceberg to beach the bow on the iceberg. Its not gonna be heavy enough to sink of tip the iceberg, and it may find a spot that would be able to hold the bow without it slipping off. Yes, it may eventually tip, but it may hold long enough for a rescue. And the ship wont be able to go away anyway, so why not just try it...
    Also, when it comes to icebergs, they are not THAT unstable. Especially not the bigger ones. The coincidence with those 2 guys "tipping" the iceberg doest mean that they caused it. And even if it does flip with the bow of the ship smashed onto it, its gonna either throw the bow off, or lift it from the water. Neither would be especially destructive.

  • @debbieclark7031
    @debbieclark7031 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    How cold would the iceberg have been to stand on for hours ?

    • @aaron_aj_knight_95
      @aaron_aj_knight_95 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      My question is how are they gonna fit thousands survivors on a cold behind iceberg half the size of the ship?

    • @chatteyj
      @chatteyj ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Not very cold and not as cold as being submerged in freezing cold water. Not all icebergs are unstable so this scenario is not completely without merit. If the lifeboats ferried people to the berg it would only need to take half the passengers as the others could stay on the lifeboats.

  • @deborahgibson9039
    @deborahgibson9039 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just wondering Sam if you have been to the "Titanic Experience" in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee? I was there just recently. My son and I enjoyed it and we're quite amazed by the replica built with Legos. A young boy from Iceland built it many years ago (I believe he is a teenager now) and donated to the museum.

  • @theresarogers4262
    @theresarogers4262 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My favorite part of this video is the increasingly strong reactions to each level of this thought experiment XD XD XD XD "MAGIC"

  • @bryantsteury8910
    @bryantsteury8910 ปีที่แล้ว

    Couldn't agree more. The idea sounds great until you have to put the actual plan together. I would think the BEST option, knowing the titanic didn't have enough boats, is load up every boat +3/4 people (it won't sink with that extra weight, just be low in the water) lash multiple boats together, and use large wooden doors ala rose and jack to add and extra person (and ballast) between boats. Even so I bet there's 200 to 500 unavoidable deaths. MAYBE maybe they're able to make it into the berg, who knows

  • @ratwasnotbad4230
    @ratwasnotbad4230 ปีที่แล้ว

    This topic sounds like a Bright Side video, but the content very much does not!
    Bright Side’s would be:
    (animation of Titanic backing up like a car, pulling up to the iceberg, the deck is exactly level with it so the passengers can just jump on)
    “But now that you’re on the iceberg, you start to shiver. Your feet are freezing cold!”

  • @wb4238
    @wb4238 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The first time I heard this idea was from a CNN interview with James Cameron and Robert Ballard. It was Cameron who made the suggestion about evacuating the passengers to the iceberg. Ballard was absolutely intrigued by the idea. Thanks for doing this video!