I’m 42 I always talk about how any date chat line in the 90s and eventually the idea of online dating grew on us, I swear almost anyone back in the day would have said that it’s wierd, better to just go out with friends..
Nothing like constantly second guessing yourself in real life because it's been beaten into you that approaching women is a thing rapists do. Billions must write the same 4 unfunny pick up lines on tinder hoping for a reply because saying "hello" isn't good enough for some reason.
The narrative shift from “if you spend your Friday or Saturday nights playing video games you’d be looked at as a future serial killer” to “that’s normal and what most kids do now” says it all for me.
@@RustieFawnthe phenomenon of being bullied for liking video games as a kid for it to them go on to be arguably the largest and most popular entertainment medium is not at all talked about enough. Year 7 I got shit talked for playing CS:S and “liking that nerd shit”, year 9 everyone had Xbox’s and were playing cod. And people wonder why “normies”, “casuals”, or whatever you want to call them are so disliked. They are exactly the people who abused people who enjoyed the internet and played video games. Still blows my mind.
@@nuggle6400 We dislike them not because they insult people who enjoy video games, but because they care too much that they feel the need to prove a point even though they're entering another community that conflicts with their own interests. I wouldn't consider being made fun of for liking CS:S "abuse" 🤣 Continue to like what you like, but don't pretend you're the minority being hated by everyone else.
Web search is broken: it either shows you SEO-boosted garbage or large websites that pay for ads. With search being broken, nobody can find your personal webpage anymore, if you're not on some big platform like Twitter or TH-cam, it might as well not exist. And the worst of all is that the normies are okay with this.
Funnily enough, I stumbled upon a cool personal page some days ago. I was looking for a high quality lossless digital copy of an old Japanese DnB album.
@@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943 I recommend yo investigating about the web revival project, also you could check places like neocities and explore the link sections some people put in their sites. The best way to find nonmainstream sites is to stop caring too much about mainstream media, the more you stop caring about the numbers in the screen the more you will stop try to seek for popular social media and be open to try other options.
You’re right on the money when it comes to sponsor-safe baby talk. How can people seriously talk about real, life changing events with terms like “essayed” or “unalived”?
It's very aggravating. I understand video makers do this to avoid getting demonetized, so I absolutely blame youtube for refusing to take the slightest risk to raking in advertiser dollars, but where I blame the creators is in how they choose to censor. A lot of them will just cut the audio out whenever a no-no word is spoken, but they don't flash it onscreen in text or anything! I genuinely don't know what was said sometimes, or my brain doesn't register there was a skip at all. I'm pretty sure you can show a word written out and get away with it, or just censor one letter like "S*X" if you must.
That part of not having any privacy really spoke to me on a personal level. I've always hated the concept of a permanent record, as I don't like having to stress about everything to make sure I don't slip up.
That's what it's like living under an authoritarian police state regime. Every single breath you take is noted, filed, stored, saved, copied, stamped, copied again, and redistributed to go through the system 2 more times. Welcome to your dystopian globalist hellhole. Enjoy your stay.
I always feel like I’m living to impress someone else instead of myself, which is definitely a twisted way of living. Maybe it’s due to less privacy but I get more and more sick of not getting any alone time. I feel alone but I never get to relax for more than 2 hours nowadays other than sleep.
I was born in 1994. I started using the internet in like 2002 or 2003 probably. It was really fun. Ebaumsworld, Gaia Online, GameFAQs, TH-cam, 4chan, uStream, etc. Around 2016 the internet basically died. Even Vine had this grassroots feel. Once literally EVERYONE started using the internet it died. I remember when knowing what a meme was made you a total outcast.
Born in 1986, online since 1997. The internet had many deaths. For me, the worst moment was 2007, when the iPhone and Facebook were launched. It started the influx of millions who just use social media on their phones.
I remember a time when 4chan was considered the frothing headwaters of meme culture. Everything was niche, and nobody would explain shit to you. If you wanted to understand the funny picture you had to lurk, you had to develop thick skin and be ready to endure a few barbs and jabs from the community. Now you have channels like LIMC, and sites like KYM, that just explain everything to you. Any idiot with a smart phone can upload a picture to iFunny or meme generator and pump out some low-effort trash. It's all so diluted and commodified, it's taken the fun put of everything. Makes me want to puke.
Feel like the issue moreso lies with social media companies trying to psychologically manipulate you into using their services 24/7 as opposed to everyone simply being on the web, though it was nice when it was more niche and everyone didn't flock to the same 5 sites for everything.
Back in the 90s when my home phone rang, I was curious and happy to see who was on the other end, but nowadays, when my ringtone goes off, I jump and hesitantly check the number assuming it's either a scam call or some other terrible shit that'll ruin my day. RIP sanity.
@@opticalsalt2306Oh yeah, i remember using public phone cabins and buying 10 € phone cards to use at home to call relatives from europe to america for like 5 mins, now if the phone rings its just for ads. Same with mail, only letters that arrive are bills
I feel like that’s also just adulting. You rarely got bad calls as a kid. Nowadays I don’t even want to see the fucking postman, bringer of dark words.
4:45 "Couldn't manage it in real life, so they need a screen for protection." This is so true. There are people who are so shy in real life, or are scared of a social interaction, yet are willing to happily discuss everything and anything when in front of a screen, talking or texting.
I was like that in high school so it's hard for me to judge people for that kind of behavior too much. A lot of blame needs to be placed on parents and teachers for doing such a terrible job in socializing children.
You WILL watch the 1 hour long video of souls bosses beating pve enemies and comparing their powerful stats in a video and you WILL be happy(its game of the year)
@diegodankquixote-wry3242 and increase hp and health so the fight is mote fair for the early game bosses(don't tell the souls fans and pvsrs that their game is flawed they will call you a femboy)
@@Shmeky.Souls fans constantly denigrate DS2, Demons Souls and the PvP imbalance boss repeats of Elden Ring. If anything I'm sick of bloated video essays of people not making their minds up about DS2 among other things lol.
@ThatGuy-ky2yf don't forgot people calling elden ring a masterpiece and make essays about it without mentioning the fact they could improve on the multiplayer despite the fact they've been making the same game for 10 years with no improvements on the pvp.
@@ThatGuy-ky2yfpeople DO make up their minds though. Just cause there's a varied opinion from multiple sources doesn't mean people haven't made up their mind. I'm also not sure why you'd be "sick" of it. Do you rely on other people to determine your opinion on things?
The fact that it's basically 50/50 if a piece of text you read online was posted by a human or a bot should tell you enough about the state of these bigger platforms everything is completely astro-turfed and there is almost no organic discussion. Stick to the forums bros
@@EggEnjoyer yeah they're affected too but don't have algorithms filtering content so it's easier to spot but you're right it's all going to shit they will have the normies talking to some Hall of mirrors of AI bots with the sole purpose of getting them to interact with marketing and shopping content
Ever since 2015, the google news feed has been 90% bot content. Buzzfeeds entire pitch was using AI to find articles that had the potential to make money, and then plaigerizing it and spamming it across the internet. Thats why you saw so much liberal brainrot. Old people were conservatives and weren't a popular demographic for companies like BuzzFeed. It was even worse in 2017, when LSTM's and Transformers became a thing. Thats when the plaigerism spammers went into full effect. Now with shit like ChatGPT, I can imagine its prolly much worse
People often ignore the mental illness feedback loop / greenhouse effect that results from the entire world being terminally online. Before the advent of mass communication the "feebleminded," antisocial elements of a nation were often institutionalized or kept out of "polite society," rather than given a flood of endless affirmation & overstimulation.
have you ever gone to a restaurant that had a huge menu? you open it and there's like 100 different things to choose from. It's so overwhelming that you just look for a dish that you're familiar with and order that, to save you the hassle of reading 4 pages of different entrées. That's basically what the internet has done to us, and makes it very hard for the average, unaware person to actually use it to educate themselves.
I live under the mindset that every single person on the internet is factually wrong, socially inept, and emotionally stunted. If you take any kind of interaction online as a personally defining attribute of your identity, then you're probably putting too much weight into what these complete strangers think of a situation you're far too uninformed on.
Yeah these “”new”” chatbots that can perfectly mimic human speech have definitely existed for at least a few decades if not longer. Demon magic n shit if you know what I mean.
Same. Literally lost IRL friends because of it. It isn't as if they don't have my phone number either. I almost never get a call or text except from one really close friend. Yet back when I was on Instagram it would've almost been a constant stream sending shit daily in a group chat or dm. Idk if they just hate me or what...?😅
out of priciple to not let myself be completely consumed by brainrot, I actively resist youtube shorts or any other social media trying to emulate tiktok slop. I hope my fellow nerds here do the same.
@@YOTSUBA_desu alright mister anime profile picture, explain how using the word "slop" somehow already IS tantamount to me having been consumed by brainrot... I'm very curious now.
@@YOTSUBA_desu>anime pfp >"YOTSUBA_desu" as name >Annoyed by 4chan brainrot I don't know if this should go into /a/ for the amount of anime it has, in /x/ for the absolute obliviousness of the OP, or in /LGBT/ due to how much coal it contains
One thing I despise is how people talk in real life using exclusively meme references or this weird “therapy” talk. Constantly talking about “red flags” “gaslighting” “Not me doing X” “Me when I Y”. The thought of people going about real life about ten years ago speaking in 4chan references would be unthinkable, and now real life is just Twitter and Instagram talk. People's vocabularies are atrocious now, and they literally don't know how to write properly when needing to. In about a century, books from 1900 will be completely unreadable for most average people because everything is getting condensed, sanitised and streamlined. On top of that, being sociable and outgoing is becoming more and more frowned upon and rare. People take pride in being anti-social, being unable to go outside due to anxiety, staying in every night etc. It's depressing thinking about what the next fifty years will bring, and how retarded we'll make ourselves because attention spans and social ability has been reduced to nothing. The worst thing is that even if you want to unplug yourself, delete social media and whatnot you end up isolating yourself because fucking nobody else just uses their phone as a phone any more. You might only be able to talk to people on social media, and you will never randomly meet your friends or even make new ones by going out by yourself because approaching anybody is creepy and rapey (if a woman).
@dqca fucking lol, literacy rates are dropping in first world countries and even graduates in English degrees have increasingly terrible grammar and syntax; narrowing the vocabulary and having grammar and syntax actively getting worse isn’t the same as using slang or vernacular language. The need to constantly wrap everything you say in ironic or emotionless veneers is damaging communication and the social abilities of people.
@@honkhonk8009Yeah I have no idea what that guy is talking about. Going outside for a couple minutes is enough to disprove what he's saying. Very few people are autistic enough to use internet speak seriously in public. Vast majority of people are exactly as you'd expect. Generally friendly and normal with a few odd exceptions here or there. The internet hasn't changed that. People aren't forgetting or not learning how to speak or write because they use the internet. It's ridiculous and alarmist for no reason. It's the same old tired generational feuding that has existed for the entirety of human existence. People don't like what the younger generation is doing so they call it "brain rot" or what have you instead of seeing it for what it is: kids being kids. Same exact thing happened with the kids before them, and the kids before those kids. But today we have the internet so it gets exaggerated a ton more. We don't have to like the cringe, but none of us were much different. We just didn't broadcast our dumb shit on the internet.
Best video you've ever made. I could see schools using it for educational purposes. It explains the basic and established consensus on the internet's effects and its foreseeable consequences in an entertaining and eloquent way. Good work.
Hell yeah man. This video really explained the internet as a whole. How it kinda altered humanity in so many different ways and the inconceivable changes it has yet to bring unto the human condition. Really thought-provoking learning material!
About 20 years ago in high school I had a friend obsessed with Japan. He would talk about it all the time and studies so much about their culture. He’s the one who first told me about hikikomori. He posited that they had gotten too technologically advanced for their own good and it was causing a schism in their culture and the growth of the hikkomori. I think about that guy all the time these days.
For the section about privacy, I highly recommend the documentary called "we live in public" where an experiment was run where a group of people were locked in a building and lived with cameras in every single area, including restrooms, showers, living spaces. It gave me a huge appreciation for privacy and see it as a necessary human need like food and shelter.
Uncle Ted didn't kill himself! He was killed because they were worried that the 'new sincerity', corpo-AI push would cause people to reach out to him and cause his ideas to catch new flame!
before this video i didnt know that MOST people actually use dating apps to find a partner. I've always considered that to be for losers and thought that generally still was the consensus lol.
@dihvocfoscocudvyvdd8101 well i think most people are too busy fulfilling their societal expectations to stop and think about stuff like that. so yeah most people are just cattle. sheeple.
@dihvocfoscocudvyvdd8101 I live in mid size town. All of our social spots died after the 90s. There is no where for my friends and I to go anymore. Sure you could go to the seedy bars like the one I got assaulted in but meeting some one worth dating in a bar Is a long shot.
@@MRodriguez-f6e that's the problem though. everything has slowly become so hyper-focused on working that you don't even have time to experience real life. It's all online or basically non-existent most of the time.
We have a friend of the family, who is a nuclear physicist. He can literally tell you how to build a nuclear reactor down to the details, but he is not capable of calling himself a taxi to go home. Now this guy was autistic afaik, but that kinda reminds me on a lot of younger people in my family today. They´re Specialized to the teeth in one or two certain areas they learned in school and university, to a point where they could start a business around this particular topic. But they still lack a fundamental understanding of the basic topics even adjacent to their area of expertise. It´s a hyper specialization issue and I don´t see this going away with the way how schools today work. Or better how they don´t. Throw a degrading social society and melting of real vs fake information and you got the perfect storm for a completely inapt society in the near future.
Back in the day people like that kept the lights on and were rewarded for it but as society has become more and more tech based the "need" for these people is perceived less important. Which cannot be farther from the truth. You want specialized people because if you don't thats how you get planes falling out of the sky.
The part at 33:50 where the guy denies porn addiction as dismiss it as a Christian invention is disgusting. These people want everyone else to sink to the lowest of the lows, but what did I expected from a profile with a fursona as a profile pic
@Ceeeeee451 I understand that is used as an insult in bad faith but "enjoyment of the human figure" is a cop out. We are not "enjoying the beauty of the human figure" like artist on the past did; we are masturbating to it
@higgsbonbon I am not saying that at all. I am saying that we must not dismiss the problem of porn addiction because a lot of people of both political sides tell people "coomers" which in a lot of cases is actually true.
@higgsbonbonYeah, hypocrites are everywhere. That doesn't make them neccesarily wrong, thought, someone with a bad ortography behaving like a grammar mid-century german doesn't make having a good ortography irrelevant or unimportant
damn. as a suicidal person, actually hearing the word "suicide" mentioned in earnest was almost relieving, in a way. I've always hated seeing people refer to it with these childish terms like "unaliving" or whatever. I'd never say anything like that when talking about my own experiences with suicide, for example. this topic specifically is one which shouldn't be sanitised or infantilised at all, and it's almost offensive, I feel. what I suffer from isn’t a compulsion to "game end" myself or "unalive" myself, but rather to kill myself. kill, with all the gravity the word "kill" actually deserves...
"Don't be fooled by the internet. It's cool to get on the computer. Don't let the computer get on you. It's fun to use the computer. Don't let the computer use you. You all saw the Matrix. There's a war going on. The battlefield's in the mind and the prize is the soul, so just be careful. Be careful." -Prince 1999
Charlie Brooker's series "How TV Ruined Your Life " is completely here on TH-cam, as old as it is it is still entertaining and still holds a lot of truth
The reason for centralization is simple: convenience. Running a forum, paying for server hosting, having to make webpages etc is a hassle. Reddit, Discord etc. do something similar to their old internet counterparts for free (read: for your data and stripping you of actual control).
I'm glad you pointed out how people are starting to use watered down euphemisms for "bad" words in order to avoid getting demonitized. Equally worse is seeing how commenters are emulating that same behavior for no real reason or obfuscating those words by changing letters to symbols (ex. d1e instead of die). I never thought 13375p3ak would make a comeback these days, but it seems corporate censorship made that a reality.
It's because TH-cam demonetizes channels for using "offensive language." They use some kind of algorithm called a P-score. I remember Optimus exposing it a few years ago, back when you could still access the P-score in the source code with the "inspect element" feature.
I think subconsciously most people don't see people as people on the internet. Even when you see someone on the street you will be more connected to them rather then some rando online.
One thing I’d like to add in is that it feels like the internet forces you to have an opinion on everything. Otherwise you are deemed as a “centrist fence sitter”. I hate it because if you do talk about something you have little to no knowledge on then you are called an idiot who doesn’t know what they are talking about. You can’t win.
Everything has to be a debate in the internet And i mean EVERYTHING. You cant just have normal conversations, now its a debate where you have to have arguments and witty roasts towards your opponent.
For a brief window of time - the 2000s and early 2010s - I really enjoyed the internet and it felt like a golden age. Then in the mid 2010s it became like a slab of meat that suddenly rotted. 2015 it feels was when everything started to collapse. Now, 9 years later, I detest the internet and have reduced my phone down to basically only music, navigation apps, and basic messaging. I only use my computer now for any other internet needs and the natural boundary that creates has helped me be a much happier person.
Planescape torment has been called the most "Philosophical game of all time" the writer Chris Avellone has confirmed he was just writing a story he thought was interesting, and fans are reading to deep into it". Death of the Author or what I call the Jacob Geller affect, yes affect, that has been my pet peeve of the internet for the past 5yrs
Nice to see that I can make a story with like few refrence's to gnosticism and Carl Jung's psychology and bunch off brainlets will worship it like a new Bilbe. It motivate's me sooo much
@@mrcin1233 my friend showed me Tool and that's how I felt about it (and to be fair here you can just enjoy them for the music itself, he didn't even seem to know what their lyrics mean and just likes the sound.)
"perhaps everyone now is a loser" yep, just look at the rise of the Chad and Sigma memes. this video opens (and from the thumbnail/title) as a seemingly generic technology is bad return to monkey style, but develops in to a more nuanced discussion, that I ultimately agree with. what I am trying to say is, the first part of this video is framed kind of weird, but the rest is really good and well thought out, good Job man.
@@Mo-fx2ud4chan is near the end of the hall way and then there are another two doors at the end of the hallway which leads to 8chan and kiwifarms. The jailer lost the keys to those two doors though.
I got my nephew a new SSD for his PC. Because he running out of space. I get a call from his Mum saying the computer won't boot. I talk them through the bios, nothing. So I drove over at the end of the week. Turned it on and bios says only one drive is plugged in. He removed the main OS drive to put the new one in. I asked him where do you think windows is installed. He points at the computer. He thought storage devices worked like game CD.🤦♂ He's 12. At that age I had already installed Windows 95 on dozens of machines and I didn't have Google or anyone to teach me. I was doing things for my teachers.
I do think Facebook will fall in my lifetime. It’s used religiously by people 40 and over. But younger generations are checking out of that site entirely.
These companies dont make as much money as you think and are instead primarily held up via financial capital and investment. So these giants can and will fall rapidly at some point, most likely in your life time. They're all bubbles.
@@Salantor Agreed. My point was not that younger generations are saved. TikTok is really bad. TH-cam being slightly lesser evil (but with their YT Shorts they are clearly headed that way). My point was more that these companies aren’t too big to fail. I used MySpace religiously once. And jumped ship with everyone else on the bandwagon. I think we are seeing a slower death than MySpace. But a death all the same.
Yeah, that’s a real pain point for me. Whenever I ask someone something introspective, or serious… radio silence. But when I want to be funny and troll? Response in literal seconds.
I've been slowly walking away from an Online Presence or Social Media usage past Watching Movies or Videos. I'm sure I'm being left behind in many things but my Mind and my heart feel better so Fair Trade I guess. I just wish people could try and walk away rather than cling to it for dear life.
I never realized how hyper competitive, and petty things like instagram were until I threw them away literal weeks ago. People looking at my profile, posting oddly specific things on their story, “friends only” stories, the ability to hide dms. I feel much more at peace and I have MUCH more time for school. “Went from all c’s, to pretty much straight A student again for the first time since ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I’m in 12th grade now. I do genuinely believe this is ruining kids, and I blame the parents of these kids.
"The algorithm brain: you know lets listen to molchat doma and plastic love while talking about biblical accurate angels, walkable cities and anolog horror". All this video is worth the time just to listen to this quote
Dude I’m losing my marbles over this kind of stuff. I’m so sick of hearing bots and teenagers vomit forth garbled nonsense about Hbomberguy exposing plagiarism, Spider-man “canon events,” “my brother in Christ” touching grass, or when the average discord moderator when he grooms femboys on reddit. I’m going insane, it’s time to escape the internet
@@wolliveryoutube the cure is joining the fucking military. Im not even joking, I'm reenlisting because if you allow it, it CUTS you off from the fuckin internet, at least 80% of what we do working as civilians. I literally feel like everyone in this country is crazy, or has brainrot, and I'm in the podunk fucking rockies. The internet reaches all though.
55:02 Nobody talks about this but it's so true. I can't help but roll my eyes whenever some internet lefty says they "grew out of" alt-right political beliefs.
I miss internet 1.0 in lot of ways. Every website had Avery distinct personality and algorithm trying to plug into your brain didn't exist. Finding the good stuff one internet took talking to people either virtually or irl.
It is insane, how these algorithms can get to you when you are depressed or in any other way down mentally. I remember how my previous relationship started to go down the downward spiral. Suddenly I started to see Hbomberguy, Ben Shapiro, Contrapoints, PragerU and all that shit in my recommended videos. It was like TH-cam scented my vulnerabilities and started testing which rabbit hole I was more likely to go. When my (at the time) girlfriend broke up with me in 2019 I became full on insufferable woke grifter. And let me tell you, it is so much easier to consume another video about how capitalism is bad and totally a heckin root of my problems, instead of dealing with what problems actually are. So anyway, in 2021 I started therapy, and then in 2022 I took shrooms and combination on these two (and gym) "healed" me. Weirdly enough, my social media algorithms stopped recommending me these depressing videos soon after. They say that sects and extremist organisations recruit their members from people who are in some way mentally down - depressed, griefing after loss and that stuff. Funny how social media algorithms took that strategy as well.
Happy to hear you’re back with us, brother, and good luck with everything going forward. World’s getting stranger and darker, hope you stay alright out there
Same, I got addicted to the internet early due to me being homeschooled and incredibly lonely way back in the mid 2000s. I've gone to therapy to really deal with and it's helping quite a bit. The internet is a great tool for information and entertainment, but I hate how it's destroyed how we talk, there are so many people who try and control how we think and feel about everything, even before social media with forums.
Sincerely, extremely nuanced and highly thought provoking video! Rarely do I ever comment on anything here on youtube, however, I really felt like I had to this time. I have been following you for a while now, Shredded Nerd, generally because I like the way you present your ideas and *mostly* agree with your gaming takes, but this one took it a step further, by giving a detail-rich and fresh take on serious issues societies around the world are facing. I shall actually be sharing this video with those who might listen, perhaps it can lead others into useful time reflecting as well, like it did with me. Seriously, bravo!
This video made me pretty sad. I yearn greatly for the internet of 15, 10 and even 5 years ago. LiveLeak going down is particularly sad because they documented the harsh reality of the world in a way no other site did. They did a great job of straddling the line between raw journalism and gratuitous shock content. The fate of the internet seems to be an endless spiral towards the worst possible outcomes. The period between 1996 and 2016 will likely be seen as the last era of truly free speech in Western society. The mass censorship brought on in the wake of the Trump and Brexit campaigns has created a "chilling effect" where people avoid discussing anything remotely controversial. Non mainstream voices have been marginalized. The algorithms are designed to push you increasingly low quality content and favor large, corporate creators over small, independent ones.
If you experienced the early internet,you are one of the very few lucky humans who experienced something so unique and heavenly and its forever lost for everybody else. Its a bittersweet feeling.
20:26 Over the past couple years, I' ve witnessed alot more stuff first get popular on "deep ifunny" or niche twitter circles then filter to the rest of the internet than from 4chan. 4chan didn't really have any notable cultural impact since wojaks and even jaks were made better on other sites like the sharty and the ru. I think 4chan, particlarly when it comes to its more popular boards, was irreversibly damaged by its widespread reputation as being "underground and edgy" among normies. That's not unique either, I've seen most of the spaces i used to enjoy online, including those cited prior, decline, either by becoming too popular or depopulating. Which is really depressing, but being in my 20s now, I'm probably becoming too old for that kind of entertainment. I feel like, outside of my studies and work as an engineer, I'm using the internet for less and less else than to listen to music, audiobooks and podcasts and keep in touch with acquaintances. None of which, at their essence, are uniquely made possible with the internet. The "wild west" aspect that i used to love has become more and more dead in my eyes. Maybe it hasn't declined and i'm just no longer an edgy teenager. I don't know, but the place the internet occupies in my life has greatly declined and has never been this low since I first started using it more than a dozen years ago. The worst part is that, this definitely has been a change for the better in my life.
Yep, I pretty much think the same thing. The 2016 election was the final "hurah" of the site before it got totally infested with outsiders, bots, and "political influencers" making the site a shadow of its former self. People only go on 4chan now to start petty conflicts with one another, and be easily baited by fake outrage which destroys all meaningful discussion. You used to be able to find some genuinely intelligent people, but the flood of utter sewage these last few years completely downed them out and you're stuck with twitter/reddit/ifunny/discord rejects. It's funny you mention the sharty, as although I don't use it much, seems to bear a stronger resemblance to old 4chan than it does to nu-4chan. The mods actually engage with the community, people organize raids, OC is created every day (even if they're just silly soyjaks) which spread to the rest of the internet, the culture is very rich and alien from the rest of the web, you genuinely have to "lurk moar" if you want the slightest semblance of wtf is going on, etc. 4chan's culture now is basically just the backwater of Twitter, where everybody who couldn't behave elsewhere on the internet congregated to find themselves stuck in an endless loop of outrage and misery.
The near total saturation of pornography litterally everywhere, from ifunny to 4chan, has completely tanked the unique cultures these spaces had cultivated as well. B and collective on ifunny used to be known as these wild west type places but now if you ask a lot of internet users they'll usually mention how many coomers there are now and how much of it is just porn. Every 4chan board where you can post porn is completely swamped with it, Twitter is basically just an advertising platform for NSFW patreons and only fans accounts, and it's all just so tiring.
I was born in in 1997 and while I used the internet very rarely (at school sometimes) I really became an online degenerate in 2010 it’s so insane how different and controlled the web is now like I remember 2016 the year where you could say anything you wanted everyone on TH-cam was at war and you cold just sit and enjoy it man I wish I could go back
I used to miss the drama channels from that time, but ever since Logan Paul went to that “unaliving” forest and filmed some hung corpse it has become heavily sanitized for if you don’t want to risk demonetization or outright shadowbanning
I HATE the fact that literally 99% of jobs require an online application. I never get a fkn email or call back ever im starting to go crazy here is this just me????????
>Global monopoly silences voices "Look at this tragedy" >Trans person silences voices "I don't condone everything this website did, and I most certainly wouldn't have allowed it to happen on my website... just look at the publically editable wikipedia which was raided years ago and never fixed!"
I mean, he's on youtube, if he were to not preface with "gosh this website is so bad, I wouldn't allow it" he'd be banned after some trans activist screamed about it on twitter.
China has a closed ecosystem not to simply exclude American tech companies - that is of course part of it - but mainly to not have their citizens get exposed to ideas and content the Party deems unacceptable. So I'd be really wary of making statements like that since it sounds like you are advocating for such bubbles of net, when that would be an even worse dystopia than what we have as of now. At least you can find unconventional ideas and sites, in China, no chance.
@@throatwobblermangrove7508why don’t you explain then? He’s right. China is a one party, authoritarian state that doesn’t want its citizens to get wise about the government’s misdeeds. I mean, the fact that you can go to jail for even mentioning the tiannanmen massacre in China proves it
This video was incredibly insightful. Do you recommend any further reading on any of these subjects? I am particularly interested in the "fast-politics" culture, and the over-emphasis on rhetoric. Genuinely, thank you for making this video.
“Amusing Our Selfs To Death” kind of covers that but with TV. It’s an order book from 1985 but you could probably take the ideas the ideas he presents there and apply them to the internet.
@@loke801 Thank you. Ill give that a look. Its really scary how important repercussions of things like entertainment were under my nose the whole time lol
I couldn’t’ve said it better myself. Genuinely dystopian shit, which is why I’ve largely removed myself many social spaces. I find it hard not becoming misanthropic about it all because I do believe our species is capable of truly amazing things, but more often than not humanity just seems hopeless asf at times. Ultimately I do blame tech giants and conglomerates prioritizing money over morals, allowing unsuspecting people to fall victim to this shit. Knowledge is power at the end of the day, and while you think with the internet being a damn near infinite resource for that, no one’s using it for that. Hell, even if they did they would have to sort fact from fiction at every turn, so why not just consume what’s on the surface. It’s easier that way right? It’s all about control, and unfortunately even if we acknowledge these things, we’re still just as susceptible to it as someone who knows no better, simply because of how overarching this system has become. The industrial revolution and it’s consequences man
My mom is very tech savoy but she still asks me how to do certain things. Never even crossed my mind that my future kid would ask me similar questions.
Thanks algorithm for feeding me this essay which has now radically changed my mind from being a thoughtless consumer to a rational ascetic anti-algorithmic! I'm going to watch exclusively videos now about Uncle Ted and living off-grid! Jk but good vid.
This was a video I have been waiting for. I this is why everyone brings back the good ol’ days. It was never about the society back then, it was the COMMUNITY. I don’t want to talk to people through a computer I can fit in my pocket, I want to feel like a brick in a wall, supporting others around me and others supporting me.
11:32 LOL I still remember when "youtubers" were always told to "get a real job" by their own subscribers when they asked for money on Patreon or something. This wasn't even that long ago but between 2010-2013. These days, it's weirder if they didn't put their Patreon link in the description openly told you to "become a member".
Amazing video, very well informed and argued. Particularly loved the calling out of ideological echo-chambers on all sides, this is a phenomena that consumes many people today sadly and eliminates their ability to actually question narratives and should be talked about more. Would love to see you do a in depth video on that topic.
I really resonate with what you said. People wanting to be right rather than seeking truth actually weakened my mind over the years, they dont want an answer or correction, and everytime i tried to argue in good faith it ended in disappointment. Today i feel weary, unable to articulate, probably because of self preservation, against those masses of people flooding the internet with wrong information opposed to my beliefs, but also in real life encounters. I became alienated by internet, and failed to react accordingly.
I didn't have my own computer until I was 26 in late 2014. It's been a disaster, and I got rid of the Internet at home, and a dumb phone. unfortunately after really detoxing I had gained a roommate who demanded the Internet be reconnected, and I caved. One day I will be free.
Sad to say but this was just the inevitable outcome of the internet. I dont really see an outcome that differs that greatly from now. The internet is just too great of an invention to be kept underground or among small groups of nerds forever.
I remember when this video was titled something like "How We Ruined the Internet (and how the internet ruined us)" That title was telling us the truth because we forced some unneeded things and allowed suckups to become bigger suckups.
Instantly destroyed subscription icon. This has to be the most in depth and accurate video fitting into beliefs I’ve had in my own echo chamber for years…but couldn’t ever put to words. Fantastic and fascinating. Thank you.
I have lived my whole life thinking that everyone else in the world is as intelligent as me, if not more so. I like to think that if I asked a question to any of the eight billion people on our planet, that I would learn eight billion new things. It's a modest way to think, and it has made me a positive person. Yet, the Internet challenges my optimism every single day. I can not fathom how so many people can all live life with such ignorance, such arrogance, and such hate. I am deeply concerned for the future of man, but I must be the change I want to see.
New editor for this video. Let me know what you think.
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Bone-chilling
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Damn dude, this was an incredible video. Something I think that will be referenced for years to come.
The total narrative shift from “online dating is for socially inept weirdos” to “basically the only way to date” says it all to me
I’m 42 I always talk about how any date chat line in the 90s and eventually the idea of online dating grew on us, I swear almost anyone back in the day would have said that it’s wierd, better to just go out with friends..
Nothing like constantly second guessing yourself in real life because it's been beaten into you that approaching women is a thing rapists do. Billions must write the same 4 unfunny pick up lines on tinder hoping for a reply because saying "hello" isn't good enough for some reason.
The narrative shift from “if you spend your Friday or Saturday nights playing video games you’d be looked at as a future serial killer” to “that’s normal and what most kids do now” says it all for me.
@@RustieFawnthe phenomenon of being bullied for liking video games as a kid for it to them go on to be arguably the largest and most popular entertainment medium is not at all talked about enough. Year 7 I got shit talked for playing CS:S and “liking that nerd shit”, year 9 everyone had Xbox’s and were playing cod.
And people wonder why “normies”, “casuals”, or whatever you want to call them are so disliked. They are exactly the people who abused people who enjoyed the internet and played video games. Still blows my mind.
@@nuggle6400 We dislike them not because they insult people who enjoy video games, but because they care too much that they feel the need to prove a point even though they're entering another community that conflicts with their own interests. I wouldn't consider being made fun of for liking CS:S "abuse" 🤣 Continue to like what you like, but don't pretend you're the minority being hated by everyone else.
Web search is broken: it either shows you SEO-boosted garbage or large websites that pay for ads. With search being broken, nobody can find your personal webpage anymore, if you're not on some big platform like Twitter or TH-cam, it might as well not exist. And the worst of all is that the normies are okay with this.
How the hell do I find personal webpages
Funnily enough, I stumbled upon a cool personal page some days ago. I was looking for a high quality lossless digital copy of an old Japanese DnB album.
IT'S PAYNE! WHACK HIM!
@@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943 I recommend yo investigating about the web revival project, also you could check places like neocities and explore the link sections some people put in their sites.
The best way to find nonmainstream sites is to stop caring too much about mainstream media, the more you stop caring about the numbers in the screen the more you will stop try to seek for popular social media and be open to try other options.
Use other search engines
You’re right on the money when it comes to sponsor-safe baby talk. How can people seriously talk about real, life changing events with terms like “essayed” or “unalived”?
It's very aggravating. I understand video makers do this to avoid getting demonetized, so I absolutely blame youtube for refusing to take the slightest risk to raking in advertiser dollars, but where I blame the creators is in how they choose to censor. A lot of them will just cut the audio out whenever a no-no word is spoken, but they don't flash it onscreen in text or anything! I genuinely don't know what was said sometimes, or my brain doesn't register there was a skip at all. I'm pretty sure you can show a word written out and get away with it, or just censor one letter like "S*X" if you must.
"Getting South Africa'd"
"He KSG'd himself"
ツ
@thesundayshooter7763 "he 'acked himself" instead of "he committed suicide"
@@ultrathemannooo, you have to use baby talk like me- ACK
@@TheSundayShooterKek
That part of not having any privacy really spoke to me on a personal level. I've always hated the concept of a permanent record, as I don't like having to stress about everything to make sure I don't slip up.
Personally, I'm not as bothered by the record being permanent as I am by the fact that I have no rights or ownership when it comes to MY records.
The panopticon...
That's what it's like living under an authoritarian police state regime.
Every single breath you take is noted, filed, stored, saved, copied, stamped, copied again, and redistributed to go through the system 2 more times.
Welcome to your dystopian globalist hellhole. Enjoy your stay.
Fr fr
Cant even be virulently racist anymore it sucks ass
I always feel like I’m living to impress someone else instead of myself, which is definitely a twisted way of living. Maybe it’s due to less privacy but I get more and more sick of not getting any alone time. I feel alone but I never get to relax for more than 2 hours nowadays other than sleep.
I was born in 1994. I started using the internet in like 2002 or 2003 probably. It was really fun. Ebaumsworld, Gaia Online, GameFAQs, TH-cam, 4chan, uStream, etc. Around 2016 the internet basically died. Even Vine had this grassroots feel. Once literally EVERYONE started using the internet it died. I remember when knowing what a meme was made you a total outcast.
I am a newer internet user but I can see how the internet of old was more niche and community driven
Born in 1986, online since 1997. The internet had many deaths. For me, the worst moment was 2007, when the iPhone and Facebook were launched. It started the influx of millions who just use social media on their phones.
I remember a time when 4chan was considered the frothing headwaters of meme culture. Everything was niche, and nobody would explain shit to you. If you wanted to understand the funny picture you had to lurk, you had to develop thick skin and be ready to endure a few barbs and jabs from the community.
Now you have channels like LIMC, and sites like KYM, that just explain everything to you. Any idiot with a smart phone can upload a picture to iFunny or meme generator and pump out some low-effort trash. It's all so diluted and commodified, it's taken the fun put of everything. Makes me want to puke.
@@chesterstevens8870The moment 4chan stopped being the heart of the internet is the moment the internet died.
Feel like the issue moreso lies with social media companies trying to psychologically manipulate you into using their services 24/7 as opposed to everyone simply being on the web, though it was nice when it was more niche and everyone didn't flock to the same 5 sites for everything.
Back in the 90s when my home phone rang, I was curious and happy to see who was on the other end, but nowadays, when my ringtone goes off, I jump and hesitantly check the number assuming it's either a scam call or some other terrible shit that'll ruin my day.
RIP sanity.
I never thought about it like that but damn, if that isn’t the sad truth.
@@opticalsalt2306Oh yeah, i remember using public phone cabins and buying 10 € phone cards to use at home to call relatives from europe to america for like 5 mins, now if the phone rings its just for ads.
Same with mail, only letters that arrive are bills
I feel like that’s also just adulting. You rarely got bad calls as a kid. Nowadays I don’t even want to see the fucking postman, bringer of dark words.
My phone is permanently on silent.
I've conditioned everyone around me not to expect me to answer and I will get back to them when I get back to them.
@@Legend57. Amen brother. May have to start doing that myself.
I think the real reason 4chan is still standing and so easily accessible is because it's a paradise for media shilling and honeypotting
noooo its because its the last bastion of fr33 sp33ch d00d
It's been like that since 2016. The site has gone down the shitter since with the pornspam.
4cuck lost
Le demoralization forum
@@dedli_midiNo, Kiwi Farms is the last bastion of free speach.
4:45 "Couldn't manage it in real life, so they need a screen for protection."
This is so true. There are people who are so shy in real life, or are scared of a social interaction, yet are willing to happily discuss everything and anything when in front of a screen, talking or texting.
There's a relevant saying - "Give a man a mask and he'll show his true face"
Veil of anonymity.
I was like that in high school so it's hard for me to judge people for that kind of behavior too much. A lot of blame needs to be placed on parents and teachers for doing such a terrible job in socializing children.
That's me.
No hesitation to just type a comment online and give my opinion, but can't bring myself to just speak like that IRL...
You WILL watch the 1 hour long video of souls bosses beating pve enemies and comparing their powerful stats in a video and you WILL be happy(its game of the year)
With 2x speed you can watch it in 30 minutes instead
@diegodankquixote-wry3242 and increase hp and health so the fight is mote fair for the early game bosses(don't tell the souls fans and pvsrs that their game is flawed they will call you a femboy)
@@Shmeky.Souls fans constantly denigrate DS2, Demons Souls and the PvP imbalance boss repeats of Elden Ring. If anything I'm sick of bloated video essays of people not making their minds up about DS2 among other things lol.
@ThatGuy-ky2yf don't forgot people calling elden ring a masterpiece and make essays about it without mentioning the fact they could improve on the multiplayer despite the fact they've been making the same game for 10 years with no improvements on the pvp.
@@ThatGuy-ky2yfpeople DO make up their minds though. Just cause there's a varied opinion from multiple sources doesn't mean people haven't made up their mind. I'm also not sure why you'd be "sick" of it. Do you rely on other people to determine your opinion on things?
The fact that it's basically 50/50 if a piece of text you read online was posted by a human or a bot should tell you enough about the state of these bigger platforms everything is completely astro-turfed and there is almost no organic discussion. Stick to the forums bros
Ha. You think the forums are safe?
Just accept that the internet is fake.
@@EggEnjoyer yeah they're affected too but don't have algorithms filtering content so it's easier to spot but you're right it's all going to shit they will have the normies talking to some Hall of mirrors of AI bots with the sole purpose of getting them to interact with marketing and shopping content
Ever since 2015, the google news feed has been 90% bot content.
Buzzfeeds entire pitch was using AI to find articles that had the potential to make money, and then plaigerizing it and spamming it across the internet.
Thats why you saw so much liberal brainrot. Old people were conservatives and weren't a popular demographic for companies like BuzzFeed.
It was even worse in 2017, when LSTM's and Transformers became a thing. Thats when the plaigerism spammers went into full effect.
Now with shit like ChatGPT, I can imagine its prolly much worse
People often ignore the mental illness feedback loop / greenhouse effect that results from the entire world being terminally online.
Before the advent of mass communication the "feebleminded," antisocial elements of a nation were often institutionalized or kept out of "polite society," rather than given a flood of endless affirmation & overstimulation.
I think there should be a middle ground.
Let people be, but don’t encourage mental illness like a lot social media tends to
an actual advocate for eugenics in the wild. You're a rare breed of fucked
@@DSPsWifesBFaphex twin rocks
have you ever gone to a restaurant that had a huge menu? you open it and there's like 100 different things to choose from. It's so overwhelming that you just look for a dish that you're familiar with and order that, to save you the hassle of reading 4 pages of different entrées.
That's basically what the internet has done to us, and makes it very hard for the average, unaware person to actually use it to educate themselves.
Ah, I see you are in your video essays about the internet phase of your channel.
Colon tingling, genre defining, video essays perhaps
The streamer react content
@@Sqdlowyou will watch your favorite streamer watch and add nothing to a video essay documentary and you will like it!
I live under the mindset that every single person on the internet is factually wrong, socially inept, and emotionally stunted.
If you take any kind of interaction online as a personally defining attribute of your identity, then you're probably putting too much weight into what these complete strangers think of a situation you're far too uninformed on.
Also worth noting that the internet is dead, and most activity is composed of bots, not humans.
specially in 4chan
Yeah these “”new”” chatbots that can perfectly mimic human speech have definitely existed for at least a few decades if not longer. Demon magic n shit if you know what I mean.
good riddance i fucking hated it
@@phylocybe_ Nice Blame profile picture.
@@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943 goated blame enjoyer
I quit social media two years ago, totally deleted my accounts. I'm so much happier today.
I say that, but I always find a way back on TH-cam.
@@opticalsalt2306 TH-cam isn't social media. It's a video hosting site.
I wanna quit Discord, but there are projects I’m a part of and friends I talk to.
EDIT: I quit now
Same. Literally lost IRL friends because of it. It isn't as if they don't have my phone number either. I almost never get a call or text except from one really close friend. Yet back when I was on Instagram it would've almost been a constant stream sending shit daily in a group chat or dm. Idk if they just hate me or what...?😅
You're literally on TH-cam right now
out of priciple to not let myself be completely consumed by brainrot, I actively resist youtube shorts or any other social media trying to emulate tiktok slop.
I hope my fellow nerds here do the same.
"slop"
You've already let the worst aspects of 4chan brainrot you and you haven't realized it
@@YOTSUBA_desu alright mister anime profile picture, explain how using the word "slop" somehow already IS tantamount to me having been consumed by brainrot... I'm very curious now.
Sadge and garbtroughed
I kept getting sucked into the TH-cam shorts pipeline until I realized how miserable I felt afterwards and even during it.
@@YOTSUBA_desu>anime pfp
>"YOTSUBA_desu" as name
>Annoyed by 4chan brainrot
I don't know if this should go into /a/ for the amount of anime it has, in /x/ for the absolute obliviousness of the OP, or in /LGBT/ due to how much coal it contains
One thing I despise is how people talk in real life using exclusively meme references or this weird “therapy” talk. Constantly talking about “red flags” “gaslighting” “Not me doing X” “Me when I Y”. The thought of people going about real life about ten years ago speaking in 4chan references would be unthinkable, and now real life is just Twitter and Instagram talk. People's vocabularies are atrocious now, and they literally don't know how to write properly when needing to. In about a century, books from 1900 will be completely unreadable for most average people because everything is getting condensed, sanitised and streamlined. On top of that, being sociable and outgoing is becoming more and more frowned upon and rare. People take pride in being anti-social, being unable to go outside due to anxiety, staying in every night etc. It's depressing thinking about what the next fifty years will bring, and how retarded we'll make ourselves because attention spans and social ability has been reduced to nothing. The worst thing is that even if you want to unplug yourself, delete social media and whatnot you end up isolating yourself because fucking nobody else just uses their phone as a phone any more. You might only be able to talk to people on social media, and you will never randomly meet your friends or even make new ones by going out by yourself because approaching anybody is creepy and rapey (if a woman).
Yeah it being referred to colloquially as "brain rot" is pretty accurate.
@dqca fucking lol, literacy rates are dropping in first world countries and even graduates in English degrees have increasingly terrible grammar and syntax; narrowing the vocabulary and having grammar and syntax actively getting worse isn’t the same as using slang or vernacular language. The need to constantly wrap everything you say in ironic or emotionless veneers is damaging communication and the social abilities of people.
tbf you get relentlessly clowned for using that irl.
Unless you made some hivemind friendgroup of equally gay and lame people
@@honkhonk8009Yeah I have no idea what that guy is talking about. Going outside for a couple minutes is enough to disprove what he's saying. Very few people are autistic enough to use internet speak seriously in public. Vast majority of people are exactly as you'd expect. Generally friendly and normal with a few odd exceptions here or there. The internet hasn't changed that. People aren't forgetting or not learning how to speak or write because they use the internet. It's ridiculous and alarmist for no reason.
It's the same old tired generational feuding that has existed for the entirety of human existence. People don't like what the younger generation is doing so they call it "brain rot" or what have you instead of seeing it for what it is: kids being kids. Same exact thing happened with the kids before them, and the kids before those kids. But today we have the internet so it gets exaggerated a ton more. We don't have to like the cringe, but none of us were much different. We just didn't broadcast our dumb shit on the internet.
What really sucks is most people who don’t acknowledge this subject won’t have the attention span to watch this video
this shit made my day lmao
Yeah this type of content really only applies to those who know and wanna hear more about it from another perspective.
Best video you've ever made. I could see schools using it for educational purposes. It explains the basic and established consensus on the internet's effects and its foreseeable consequences in an entertaining and eloquent way. Good work.
My thoughts precisely!
Hell yeah man. This video really explained the internet as a whole. How it kinda altered humanity in so many different ways and the inconceivable changes it has yet to bring unto the human condition. Really thought-provoking learning material!
This almost makes up for the ADS video.
Almost.
About 20 years ago in high school I had a friend obsessed with Japan. He would talk about it all the time and studies so much about their culture. He’s the one who first told me about hikikomori. He posited that they had gotten too technologically advanced for their own good and it was causing a schism in their culture and the growth of the hikkomori. I think about that guy all the time these days.
There was a half-crazy guy from California living in Montana that said the same thing as that guy.
Founding father of brainrot
The Internet is saved, billions must post
Uppercase I Internet comment, day reinvigorated.
This video goes very hard
love from Kazakhstan
I hate normies and corporations so much it's unreal
@@uraniumeaterr ummmm...... sisters?????
@@ultratheman*cisters
@@uraniumeaterrstop being racist
@@uraniumeaterras a Latinx person I disavow this post.
@@raven75257 No
For the section about privacy, I highly recommend the documentary called "we live in public" where an experiment was run where a group of people were locked in a building and lived with cameras in every single area, including restrooms, showers, living spaces. It gave me a huge appreciation for privacy and see it as a necessary human need like food and shelter.
I was literally just thinking about how I wanted to watch a new shredded nerd video
same man, i've been thinking lately about how lame the modern internet has become.
The system grows stronger every second
Microship doing wonders.
The tolerance of normies using the internet and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race...
the call is coming from inside the house bro
*species
Hope you're including yourself in that statement "normie".
@@based_onenormie’s mad
@@Lethal_Spoon okay
Alright boys say it with me now......The industrial revolution and its consequences.....
...were a disaster for the human race!
Kaczinsky is severely overrated
Have been a disaster for the human race
@@Hecklemysheckel doesn't mean he wasn't right about an assortment of things.
Uncle Ted didn't kill himself! He was killed because they were worried that the 'new sincerity', corpo-AI push would cause people to reach out to him and cause his ideas to catch new flame!
To be honest im really glad for the fact that I got to experience pre 2010 internet. It was glorious. And it will never come back.
☹️ so true!
Same
The internet was never good, you just fell for propaganda
Papa bless
"And yet you use The Internet! Curious!"
*Adjusts glasses*
opens photo album of forbes/vox article headline screenshots
before this video i didnt know that MOST people actually use dating apps to find a partner. I've always considered that to be for losers and thought that generally still was the consensus lol.
You're close-minded and out of touch.
@dihvocfoscocudvyvdd8101 well i think most people are too busy fulfilling their societal expectations to stop and think about stuff like that. so yeah most people are just cattle. sheeple.
@dihvocfoscocudvyvdd8101 I live in mid size town. All of our social spots died after the 90s. There is no where for my friends and I to go anymore. Sure you could go to the seedy bars like the one I got assaulted in but meeting some one worth dating in a bar Is a long shot.
In fact these are very handy as people work & study more than ever and don't have the time/energy for dating.
@@MRodriguez-f6e that's the problem though.
everything has slowly become so hyper-focused on working that you don't even have time to experience real life. It's all online or basically non-existent most of the time.
Very high quality video that respects our intelligence while being able to call a spade a spade
SHIIIIIEEEEETTTTT
>spade for a spade
Q ♠️
@@merucrypoison296 HWNBAG
We have a friend of the family, who is a nuclear physicist. He can literally tell you how to build a nuclear reactor down to the details, but he is not capable of calling himself a taxi to go home. Now this guy was autistic afaik, but that kinda reminds me on a lot of younger people in my family today. They´re Specialized to the teeth in one or two certain areas they learned in school and university, to a point where they could start a business around this particular topic. But they still lack a fundamental understanding of the basic topics even adjacent to their area of expertise. It´s a hyper specialization issue and I don´t see this going away with the way how schools today work. Or better how they don´t.
Throw a degrading social society and melting of real vs fake information and you got the perfect storm for a completely inapt society in the near future.
Hyperspecialization could hurt society. You'll have all these people who want to do one thing, but don't have a Plan B that's another job.
Back in the day people like that kept the lights on and were rewarded for it but as society has become more and more tech based the "need" for these people is perceived less important.
Which cannot be farther from the truth. You want specialized people because if you don't thats how you get planes falling out of the sky.
The internet is over, billions must live like 99% of human existence pre internet
The part at 33:50 where the guy denies porn addiction as dismiss it as a Christian invention is disgusting. These people want everyone else to sink to the lowest of the lows, but what did I expected from a profile with a fursona as a profile pic
@Ceeeeee451 I understand that is used as an insult in bad faith but "enjoyment of the human figure" is a cop out. We are not "enjoying the beauty of the human figure" like artist on the past did; we are masturbating to it
@higgsbonbon I am not saying that at all. I am saying that we must not dismiss the problem of porn addiction because a lot of people of both political sides tell people "coomers" which in a lot of cases is actually true.
@Ceeeeee451 Of course the guy with the tranime pfp screeches about /pol/ out of nowhere.
@higgsbonbon I don't know about you but I've never masturbated to feet so I think I'll gladly throw that stone
@higgsbonbonYeah, hypocrites are everywhere. That doesn't make them neccesarily wrong, thought, someone with a bad ortography behaving like a grammar mid-century german doesn't make having a good ortography irrelevant or unimportant
The internet has fallen; billions must log off....
Also, smart phones are scrying mirrors so it's not surprising people become terminally online
I’m really curious to know your thoughts on how smart phone screens work as scything mirrors!
@@isabellauribe7520 they literally show you what you desire and the glass is black 😉
We once burnt the library of Alexandria, and now it burns us...
We did not, it was a gradual process, and it is unlikely that we really lost anything. Not in the way that most of the early internet was lost.
@@Salantor Did your mother eat bread crust at all while you were in-utero?
@@georgelincolnrockwell6248 Well done sir, very insulting, 2/10.
@@Salantor Seriously, where are you on the spectrum? ADHD-misdiagnosed divorce baby or rain man/chris chan lovechild?
Good poem
damn. as a suicidal person, actually hearing the word "suicide" mentioned in earnest was almost relieving, in a way. I've always hated seeing people refer to it with these childish terms like "unaliving" or whatever. I'd never say anything like that when talking about my own experiences with suicide, for example. this topic specifically is one which shouldn't be sanitised or infantilised at all, and it's almost offensive, I feel. what I suffer from isn’t a compulsion to "game end" myself or "unalive" myself, but rather to kill myself. kill, with all the gravity the word "kill" actually deserves...
Fr man. I feel like because of words like tbis people don't treat suicide and mental health with the seriousness it deserves.
"Don't be fooled by the internet. It's cool to get on the computer. Don't let the computer get on you. It's fun to use the computer. Don't let the computer use you. You all saw the Matrix. There's a war going on. The battlefield's in the mind and the prize is the soul, so just be careful. Be careful."
-Prince 1999
Everyone agrees with this. Everyone will remain the same.
I think now only crises will change us.
Charlie Brooker's series "How TV Ruined Your Life " is completely here on TH-cam, as old as it is it is still entertaining and still holds a lot of truth
We just simply weren’t ready for it and honestly, I don’t think we ever would be.
The reason for centralization is simple: convenience. Running a forum, paying for server hosting, having to make webpages etc is a hassle. Reddit, Discord etc. do something similar to their old internet counterparts for free (read: for your data and stripping you of actual control).
I'm glad you pointed out how people are starting to use watered down euphemisms for "bad" words in order to avoid getting demonitized. Equally worse is seeing how commenters are emulating that same behavior for no real reason or obfuscating those words by changing letters to symbols (ex. d1e instead of die). I never thought 13375p3ak would make a comeback these days, but it seems corporate censorship made that a reality.
TH-camrs do need to be payed though if they want to continue entertaining their audience
@@Mister_Don888well the standards are too high since the fcc is less strict compared to TH-cam guidelines
It's because TH-cam demonetizes channels for using "offensive language." They use some kind of algorithm called a P-score. I remember Optimus exposing it a few years ago, back when you could still access the P-score in the source code with the "inspect element" feature.
I haven't seen leetspeak in forever, and it shocked me to see it suddenly lmao.
People are using "celebration of life" as a euphemism for a funeral or wake. even the concept of death scares them now.
The internet ultimately forgets compassion and nuance. It's completely neurotic how one mistake will get you hated by everyone for life.
I think subconsciously most people don't see people as people on the internet. Even when you see someone on the street you will be more connected to them rather then some rando online.
@@RedWolfenstein
internet brings out the worst in us
@@RedWolfenstein I always made fun of the crazed people online, but now that it's everyone (nearly) it's really kinda concerning lmao.
One thing I’d like to add in is that it feels like the internet forces you to have an opinion on everything. Otherwise you are deemed as a “centrist fence sitter”. I hate it because if you do talk about something you have little to no knowledge on then you are called an idiot who doesn’t know what they are talking about. You can’t win.
The internet is the kingdom of echo chambers. There are too many biases
Everything has to be a debate in the internet
And i mean EVERYTHING. You cant just have normal conversations, now its a debate where you have to have arguments and witty roasts towards your opponent.
So true!
For a brief window of time - the 2000s and early 2010s - I really enjoyed the internet and it felt like a golden age.
Then in the mid 2010s it became like a slab of meat that suddenly rotted. 2015 it feels was when everything started to collapse. Now, 9 years later, I detest the internet and have reduced my phone down to basically only music, navigation apps, and basic messaging. I only use my computer now for any other internet needs and the natural boundary that creates has helped me be a much happier person.
you went on internet to escape people, people went on internet, you left internet to escape people.
I felt this way in 1997. That was the golden age for me.
19:39 "They are too big to fail"
famous last words before things fail
Planescape torment has been called the most "Philosophical game of all time" the writer Chris Avellone has confirmed he was just writing a story he thought was interesting, and fans are reading to deep into it". Death of the Author or what I call the Jacob Geller affect, yes affect, that has been my pet peeve of the internet for the past 5yrs
Nice to see that I can make a story with like few refrence's to gnosticism and Carl Jung's psychology and bunch off brainlets will worship it like a new Bilbe.
It motivate's me sooo much
@@mrcin1233 Make sure its about a Nintendo game, like a niche one, there's this one called Zelda, i dont know if you heard about it
@@mrcin1233 my friend showed me Tool and that's how I felt about it (and to be fair here you can just enjoy them for the music itself, he didn't even seem to know what their lyrics mean and just likes the sound.)
@@Dr0dd"we are a turtle, all this penis an illusion" or something idk
@@mrcin1233 at least spell 'motivates' properly when calling people stupid 😅 there's no need for an apostrophe
"perhaps everyone now is a loser"
yep, just look at the rise of the Chad and Sigma memes.
this video opens (and from the thumbnail/title) as a seemingly generic technology is bad return to monkey style, but develops in to a more nuanced discussion, that I ultimately agree with. what I am trying to say is, the first part of this video is framed kind of weird, but the rest is really good and well thought out, good Job man.
Reddit is down the hall and to the left
@@Mo-fx2ud4chan is near the end of the hall way and then there are another two doors at the end of the hallway which leads to 8chan and kiwifarms. The jailer lost the keys to those two doors though.
I got my nephew a new SSD for his PC. Because he running out of space. I get a call from his Mum saying the computer won't boot. I talk them through the bios, nothing. So I drove over at the end of the week. Turned it on and bios says only one drive is plugged in. He removed the main OS drive to put the new one in. I asked him where do you think windows is installed. He points at the computer. He thought storage devices worked like game CD.🤦♂
He's 12. At that age I had already installed Windows 95 on dozens of machines and I didn't have Google or anyone to teach me. I was doing things for my teachers.
I do think Facebook will fall in my lifetime. It’s used religiously by people 40 and over. But younger generations are checking out of that site entirely.
Yeah, to spend their days watching Tik-Tok, which might be arguably worse.
These companies dont make as much money as you think and are instead primarily held up via financial capital and investment.
So these giants can and will fall rapidly at some point, most likely in your life time. They're all bubbles.
@@Salantor Agreed. My point was not that younger generations are saved. TikTok is really bad. TH-cam being slightly lesser evil (but with their YT Shorts they are clearly headed that way). My point was more that these companies aren’t too big to fail. I used MySpace religiously once. And jumped ship with everyone else on the bandwagon. I think we are seeing a slower death than MySpace. But a death all the same.
Better than Twitter doe
One of the worst parts of internet culture is the inability to take anything seriously. Everything has to be caked in a sort of apathetic irony.
That was the case on "wild west" sites like 4chan back in the day, too, though. It's not a cause of decline.
Yeah, that’s a real pain point for me. Whenever I ask someone something introspective, or serious… radio silence.
But when I want to be funny and troll? Response in literal seconds.
I've been slowly walking away from an Online Presence or Social Media usage past Watching Movies or Videos.
I'm sure I'm being left behind in many things but my Mind and my heart feel better so Fair Trade I guess.
I just wish people could try and walk away rather than cling to it for dear life.
I never realized how hyper competitive, and petty things like instagram were until I threw them away literal weeks ago.
People looking at my profile, posting oddly specific things on their story, “friends only” stories, the ability to hide dms.
I feel much more at peace and I have MUCH more time for school. “Went from all c’s, to pretty much straight A student again for the first time since ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I’m in 12th grade now.
I do genuinely believe this is ruining kids, and I blame the parents of these kids.
"The algorithm brain: you know lets listen to molchat doma and plastic love while talking about biblical accurate angels, walkable cities and anolog horror". All this video is worth the time just to listen to this quote
Dude I’m losing my marbles over this kind of stuff. I’m so sick of hearing bots and teenagers vomit forth garbled nonsense about Hbomberguy exposing plagiarism, Spider-man “canon events,” “my brother in Christ” touching grass, or when the average discord moderator when he grooms femboys on reddit. I’m going insane, it’s time to escape the internet
@@wolliveryoutube the cure is joining the fucking military. Im not even joking, I'm reenlisting because if you allow it, it CUTS you off from the fuckin internet, at least 80% of what we do working as civilians. I literally feel like everyone in this country is crazy, or has brainrot, and I'm in the podunk fucking rockies. The internet reaches all though.
Spot on
55:02 Nobody talks about this but it's so true. I can't help but roll my eyes whenever some internet lefty says they "grew out of" alt-right political beliefs.
I miss internet 1.0 in lot of ways. Every website had Avery distinct personality and algorithm trying to plug into your brain didn't exist. Finding the good stuff one internet took talking to people either virtually or irl.
"Web surfing" was a thing
I have seen websites come and go.
It is insane, how these algorithms can get to you when you are depressed or in any other way down mentally. I remember how my previous relationship started to go down the downward spiral. Suddenly I started to see Hbomberguy, Ben Shapiro, Contrapoints, PragerU and all that shit in my recommended videos. It was like TH-cam scented my vulnerabilities and started testing which rabbit hole I was more likely to go. When my (at the time) girlfriend broke up with me in 2019 I became full on insufferable woke grifter. And let me tell you, it is so much easier to consume another video about how capitalism is bad and totally a heckin root of my problems, instead of dealing with what problems actually are.
So anyway, in 2021 I started therapy, and then in 2022 I took shrooms and combination on these two (and gym) "healed" me. Weirdly enough, my social media algorithms stopped recommending me these depressing videos soon after. They say that sects and extremist organisations recruit their members from people who are in some way mentally down - depressed, griefing after loss and that stuff. Funny how social media algorithms took that strategy as well.
Happy to hear you’re back with us, brother, and good luck with everything going forward. World’s getting stranger and darker, hope you stay alright out there
Same, I got addicted to the internet early due to me being homeschooled and incredibly lonely way back in the mid 2000s. I've gone to therapy to really deal with and it's helping quite a bit. The internet is a great tool for information and entertainment, but I hate how it's destroyed how we talk, there are so many people who try and control how we think and feel about everything, even before social media with forums.
I miss forums, bros…
Same I say that all the time but hardly anybody seems to remember 😭
If web3 doesn’t provide that or anything valuable/sustainable long term we are officially screwed.
So you can make one sentence comments like this?
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@@harrisbrown6800 ✅
Sincerely, extremely nuanced and highly thought provoking video! Rarely do I ever comment on anything here on youtube, however, I really felt like I had to this time. I have been following you for a while now, Shredded Nerd, generally because I like the way you present your ideas and *mostly* agree with your gaming takes, but this one took it a step further, by giving a detail-rich and fresh take on serious issues societies around the world are facing. I shall actually be sharing this video with those who might listen, perhaps it can lead others into useful time reflecting as well, like it did with me. Seriously, bravo!
Good ass video
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This video made me pretty sad. I yearn greatly for the internet of 15, 10 and even 5 years ago. LiveLeak going down is particularly sad because they documented the harsh reality of the world in a way no other site did. They did a great job of straddling the line between raw journalism and gratuitous shock content. The fate of the internet seems to be an endless spiral towards the worst possible outcomes.
The period between 1996 and 2016 will likely be seen as the last era of truly free speech in Western society. The mass censorship brought on in the wake of the Trump and Brexit campaigns has created a "chilling effect" where people avoid discussing anything remotely controversial. Non mainstream voices have been marginalized. The algorithms are designed to push you increasingly low quality content and favor large, corporate creators over small, independent ones.
You articulated everything I have wrong with the internet in this one video, congrats.
If you experienced the early internet,you are one of the very few lucky humans who experienced something so unique and heavenly and its forever lost for everybody else.
Its a bittersweet feeling.
In a sea of goyslop this channel is a beacon.
Bacon*
20:26 Over the past couple years, I' ve witnessed alot more stuff first get popular on "deep ifunny" or niche twitter circles then filter to the rest of the internet than from 4chan.
4chan didn't really have any notable cultural impact since wojaks and even jaks were made better on other sites like the sharty and the ru. I think 4chan, particlarly when it comes to its more popular boards, was irreversibly damaged by its widespread reputation as being "underground and edgy" among normies. That's not unique either, I've seen most of the spaces i used to enjoy online, including those cited prior, decline, either by becoming too popular or depopulating.
Which is really depressing, but being in my 20s now, I'm probably becoming too old for that kind of entertainment. I feel like, outside of my studies and work as an engineer, I'm using the internet for less and less else than to listen to music, audiobooks and podcasts and keep in touch with acquaintances. None of which, at their essence, are uniquely made possible with the internet. The "wild west" aspect that i used to love has become more and more dead in my eyes. Maybe it hasn't declined and i'm just no longer an edgy teenager. I don't know, but the place the internet occupies in my life has greatly declined and has never been this low since I first started using it more than a dozen years ago. The worst part is that, this definitely has been a change for the better in my life.
Yep, I pretty much think the same thing. The 2016 election was the final "hurah" of the site before it got totally infested with outsiders, bots, and "political influencers" making the site a shadow of its former self. People only go on 4chan now to start petty conflicts with one another, and be easily baited by fake outrage which destroys all meaningful discussion. You used to be able to find some genuinely intelligent people, but the flood of utter sewage these last few years completely downed them out and you're stuck with twitter/reddit/ifunny/discord rejects.
It's funny you mention the sharty, as although I don't use it much, seems to bear a stronger resemblance to old 4chan than it does to nu-4chan. The mods actually engage with the community, people organize raids, OC is created every day (even if they're just silly soyjaks) which spread to the rest of the internet, the culture is very rich and alien from the rest of the web, you genuinely have to "lurk moar" if you want the slightest semblance of wtf is going on, etc. 4chan's culture now is basically just the backwater of Twitter, where everybody who couldn't behave elsewhere on the internet congregated to find themselves stuck in an endless loop of outrage and misery.
my board gone by, I miss it so
sharty also suffers the same fate and new admin is a fool. Also, the ru is dead.
@@marko-gj1ujdiscord colony website
The near total saturation of pornography litterally everywhere, from ifunny to 4chan, has completely tanked the unique cultures these spaces had cultivated as well. B and collective on ifunny used to be known as these wild west type places but now if you ask a lot of internet users they'll usually mention how many coomers there are now and how much of it is just porn. Every 4chan board where you can post porn is completely swamped with it, Twitter is basically just an advertising platform for NSFW patreons and only fans accounts, and it's all just so tiring.
I was born in in 1997 and while I used the internet very rarely (at school sometimes) I really became an online degenerate in 2010 it’s so insane how different and controlled the web is now
like I remember 2016 the year where you could say anything you wanted everyone on TH-cam was at war and you cold just sit and enjoy it man I wish I could go back
I used to miss the drama channels from that time, but ever since Logan Paul went to that “unaliving” forest and filmed some hung corpse it has become heavily sanitized for if you don’t want to risk demonetization or outright shadowbanning
I HATE the fact that literally 99% of jobs require an online application. I never get a fkn email or call back ever im starting to go crazy here is this just me????????
Bell curve of "It's that dang phone" to "No! Phones are feawfdreagfeadafre..." to "It's that dang phone"
oh my science! an hour long video essay by a fellow vryvn sistah! you won the internet today!
A truly profound spine tingling bone chilling highly original video about the internet
My heteroflexible life partner was crying xer eyes out by the ending
Snopes verified gem
dear sagaan XWABAG this gemerald can define my genre any day
Extremely underrated video and channel.
Just caught up with the latest skibidi toilet lore video *sigh* i guess I'll just watch this
Skibidi bros, did we just lost?
skibidi toilet is cinema and anyone who disagrees watches troondust
Bro how'd you resist placing that "dangerous to our democracy" news anchor montage/collage about halfway through
Just wait until SN finds out about Spandrell's concept of IQ shredders...
>Global monopoly silences voices
"Look at this tragedy"
>Trans person silences voices
"I don't condone everything this website did, and I most certainly wouldn't have allowed it to happen on my website... just look at the publically editable wikipedia which was raided years ago and never fixed!"
There’s no helping anyone who says this. John Money continues to do irreperable damage to society so long after death.
“Pay no mind to the strange Discord server and DIY website”
my brother in FRQQT what are you talking about
I mean, he's on youtube, if he were to not preface with "gosh this website is so bad, I wouldn't allow it" he'd be banned after some trans activist screamed about it on twitter.
Trans activists are not something to be fucked with, especially on TH-cam.
China has a closed ecosystem not to simply exclude American tech companies - that is of course part of it - but mainly to not have their citizens get exposed to ideas and content the Party deems unacceptable.
So I'd be really wary of making statements like that since it sounds like you are advocating for such bubbles of net, when that would be an even worse dystopia than what we have as of now. At least you can find unconventional ideas and sites, in China, no chance.
Who is that in your pfp?
@@ranfan1820 Kagerou Imaizumi, Touhou wolfgirl
You have no idea what you are talking about.
@@throatwobblermangrove7508why don’t you explain then? He’s right. China is a one party, authoritarian state that doesn’t want its citizens to get wise about the government’s misdeeds. I mean, the fact that you can go to jail for even mentioning the tiannanmen massacre in China proves it
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This video was incredibly insightful. Do you recommend any further reading on any of these subjects? I am particularly interested in the "fast-politics" culture, and the over-emphasis on rhetoric. Genuinely, thank you for making this video.
“Amusing Our Selfs To Death” kind of covers that but with TV. It’s an order book from 1985 but you could probably take the ideas the ideas he presents there and apply them to the internet.
@@loke801 Thank you. Ill give that a look. Its really scary how important repercussions of things like entertainment were under my nose the whole time lol
I couldn’t’ve said it better myself. Genuinely dystopian shit, which is why I’ve largely removed myself many social spaces. I find it hard not becoming misanthropic about it all because I do believe our species is capable of truly amazing things, but more often than not humanity just seems hopeless asf at times. Ultimately I do blame tech giants and conglomerates prioritizing money over morals, allowing unsuspecting people to fall victim to this shit. Knowledge is power at the end of the day, and while you think with the internet being a damn near infinite resource for that, no one’s using it for that. Hell, even if they did they would have to sort fact from fiction at every turn, so why not just consume what’s on the surface. It’s easier that way right? It’s all about control, and unfortunately even if we acknowledge these things, we’re still just as susceptible to it as someone who knows no better, simply because of how overarching this system has become.
The industrial revolution and it’s consequences man
And all the great data we can learn will flag us in the system just by searching/accessing it.
My mom is very tech savoy but she still asks me how to do certain things. Never even crossed my mind that my future kid would ask me similar questions.
Thanks algorithm for feeding me this essay which has now radically changed my mind from being a thoughtless consumer to a rational ascetic anti-algorithmic! I'm going to watch exclusively videos now about Uncle Ted and living off-grid!
Jk but good vid.
This was a video I have been waiting for. I this is why everyone brings back the good ol’ days. It was never about the society back then, it was the COMMUNITY. I don’t want to talk to people through a computer I can fit in my pocket, I want to feel like a brick in a wall, supporting others around me and others supporting me.
11:32 LOL I still remember when "youtubers" were always told to "get a real job" by their own subscribers when they asked for money on Patreon or something. This wasn't even that long ago but between 2010-2013. These days, it's weirder if they didn't put their Patreon link in the description openly told you to "become a member".
Amazing video, very well informed and argued. Particularly loved the calling out of ideological echo-chambers on all sides, this is a phenomena that consumes many people today sadly and eliminates their ability to actually question narratives and should be talked about more. Would love to see you do a in depth video on that topic.
"4chan is like the shadow" yeah you're right that was really cringe but it's the truth.
It really is insane considering we have found a way to pretty much automate culture but we threw out the manual.
I really resonate with what you said.
People wanting to be right rather than seeking truth actually weakened my mind over the years, they dont want an answer or correction, and everytime i tried to argue in good faith it ended in disappointment. Today i feel weary, unable to articulate, probably because of self preservation, against those masses of people flooding the internet with wrong information opposed to my beliefs, but also in real life encounters.
I became alienated by internet, and failed to react accordingly.
Sounds like autism.
I am a Faustian Wigger
Respect.
I love that in the scary hacker stock footage at 5:02 you can see the youtube video player on the "terminal"
15:10 that chair screech
I didn't have my own computer until I was 26 in late 2014. It's been a disaster, and I got rid of the Internet at home, and a dumb phone. unfortunately after really detoxing I had gained a roommate who demanded the Internet be reconnected, and I caved. One day I will be free.
>the SHITernet [HEADCANON]
I TANKED it.
/dbs/ wins again
This is by far your best video dude.
Sad to say but this was just the inevitable outcome of the internet. I dont really see an outcome that differs that greatly from now. The internet is just too great of an invention to be kept underground or among small groups of nerds forever.
The browning of the internet is one of the worst things to happen to the human race.
^ is brown AND trans btw
What does that mean
*species
gb2p
You forget Tumblr, all white people
I remember when this video was titled something like "How We Ruined the Internet (and how the internet ruined us)"
That title was telling us the truth because we forced some unneeded things and allowed suckups to become bigger suckups.
Don't even get me started on content creators mindlessly streaming their "reactions" to other content and not giving the original creators credit
Dating on the internet is still for losers... some things never change....
Instantly destroyed subscription icon. This has to be the most in depth and accurate video fitting into beliefs I’ve had in my own echo chamber for years…but couldn’t ever put to words. Fantastic and fascinating. Thank you.
I have lived my whole life thinking that everyone else in the world is as intelligent as me, if not more so. I like to think that if I asked a question to any of the eight billion people on our planet, that I would learn eight billion new things. It's a modest way to think, and it has made me a positive person.
Yet, the Internet challenges my optimism every single day. I can not fathom how so many people can all live life with such ignorance, such arrogance, and such hate. I am deeply concerned for the future of man, but I must be the change I want to see.
What a glorious, shiny gemerald! Thank you, Fauci! For this bountiful harvest!