It's not toxic to plainly state that we don't promote or give raises to people who do the bare minimum. But lazy and selfish people find everything toxic so I suppose this comment makes sense
"Right. Because I'm the only one who works efficiently enough to finish my work within my scheduled hours. Maybe you should talk to the rest of the team about why they're failing to adequately judge their workloads? You should be asking me for advice, not punishing me for being good at what I do."
The others working there need to get their act together. Corps get away with this, because a large % of employees are willing to let them away with it. If people would stop working extra w/o compensation, corps would stop trying that crap. Lot of nations in Euro are strict about working hrs and such; they actually care about employees have a personal life.
This is exactly why I’ll never be in a salary based work environment, pay me for the hours worked, not for set amount of hours while expecting me to work double that amount in one day 😂
I used to be one of those “team player” employees. When the pandemic hit, my office couldn’t fully close because of the type of work we did. Regulations wouldn’t allow for certain documents to be signed electronically so someone needed to be there to receive mail. That ended up being my responsibility. Everyone else who got to work from home would email me documents and I would print them out, mail them, and then when they were returned I would scan them to whomever it was for. When I eventually got COVID, and had to stay home, everyone was pretty quiet when asked if they wouldn’t mind covering for me. After allll of that, my review simply just stated “meets expectations” and I was denied my normal yearly raise. So yeah, I no longer break my back for my job. I do my work and then live my life.
Well that’s terrible that they didn’t even cover for you while sick. I get the corporation doing corporation things, but your coworkers should’ve at least stepped up for one of their own on a passably functional work environment.
Where I work they started accepting Amazon returns in our shipping department which is now a good sized chunk of our business but they didn't allow enough hours on the clock to cover for it so we are stretched so thin that if just one person calls out we're screwed and stressed out the whole day. It seems this how corporations make money now, by understaffing and underpaying so most people like me have zero loyalty and are soft quitting while looking for better opportunities. These greedy assholes don't consider our lives and only look to profit off of us, they don't understand we work to live we don't live to work.
@lindsayannsings428 - WTH???? I hope you have completely recovered from Covid, and do not have "Long Covid" or any other lasting symptoms. It's absolutely staggering that you only received a "Meets Expectations", and *DENIED* your raise. How utterly insulting! They had some nerve doing that after *you worked during Covid so THEY could stay safe at home* . How the hell did they rationalize that?That is breathtakingly cold. Wow.
"Never wanting to do more than what you're paid for." ..."Yes, that accurately sums up my contract. I'm paid $X to do $Y, as was mutually agreed upon my hiring. I'm open to renegotiation if more is expected."
This is litererly 80% of how you get more money for doing less work.... you firt do more so you get promotion and then you do less for more money. How come people don't get this? 😂
@@tommphaseznamcz that's a lame bet in today's corporate environment. You're betting your free labor will pay off in a promotion. If it doesn't and you scale back to your originally agreed upon scope of work, you're seen as slacking off and subsequently terminated. A very high risk, low-odds bet that nobody in Vegas would take.
@@TheMrMused maybe not in usa, but here in EU it is the way it works. I did it 2 times and i see people doing it all the time. But you have to put way more time then oders and time along is not gonna cut it. You need skill and mostly result. I never put in most time, but a bit more but was it top with results and when the company was looking for new managers they came to me. It works coz the company wants mostly money.
That is why law have been passed to reduce the powers of unions. In the 80s most major construction projects where union only sights. You could not even deliver supplies to the jobsite unless you were part of a union. It did not matter what union you were part of, every worker on site was part of a union. That practice is now illegal
my husband works for Accenture and he was tasked with QA monitoring and QA assessment on his colleagues and promised a promotion but it's been a year and still no promotion lol but he does above and beyond his scope. Unfortunately if you don't do those you'll never get a promotion in most companies like this
@chinnywanders time to go job hunting! The best way to increase salary is to switch jobs, switching every 3 years can have a 20 to 40 percent increase in salary as well as better position.
The idea that such unpaid work will lead to advancement, promotions, or bonuses is also a lie. Companies like to dangle these things in front of employees, but they never promise anything in writing. Companies that expect people to work for free don't give good bonuses and tend to recruit from outside the company. The only real way to advance your career is to hop companies. Working unpaid overtime is a sucker's game.
That line sends people off so quickly you'd think Scotty beamed them out of the room. One of my go-to responses which works because it's true is: We both know that a poor auditory memory is practically a job requirement so I'm afraid I cannot be responsible for anything I don't receive in writing.
Remember guys they will never pick you up when you crash and burn. But they are sure willing to bury you if you become liability. Dont be faithful to a job, be faithful to yourself.
This is 100% true. I crashed with an autoimmune disorder that was exasperated by stress and chronic lack of sleep. It left me in constant pain and they simply don't care
Get a good job where they do care. Be loyal to that job. I needed to take an emergency trip out of state to handle something for my children and the only discussion was "you can use the company card for gas". When my wife got the cancer, they let me have every day off I needed, with pay, even after I was out of PTO. When the new insurance ended up costing me huge amounts of money, I got a performance bonus and a raise. These companies do exist, and I tell you, every day isn't always great, but I love my job so much overall.
@paladin181 that is about a 1 in a trillion type of jobs. There isn't many and most people will never find a job like that. In america the business model is profits over people.
One of my co-workers was a FANTASTIC employee. Always going above and beyond, feeling guilty whenever she was sick and calling off, etc. They'd give her a pat in the back and tell her how grateful they were, UNTIL she hurt her back on the job. They refused to acknowledge she did it on the job and started treating her like she was a lazy piece of crap even when she still tried to go above and beyond. Companies, especially large corporations, will use you up and spit you out without a moments hesitation. I do my job and do it well, but will NEVER put my company ahead of me or my family.
It does. Not only because people that have no ambition to move up aren't easy to control by denying promotions, but because of how everything works in this country, if you are not growing, you are seen as failing. So an employee that does not desire to move up is considered to be a potential misuse of resources
its simmilar in europe, whever you try to get hired you gotta talk about your totally real grandiose expectations from yourself for the future. its not enough for you to make money (and get back pennies) they also want someone who wants to "grow" (be promoted) cause those guys can be worked even harder, even though thats not how promotions work. someone can only get promoted if theres an oppening. so even if you despretly wanted/needed more money overworking yourself it's not the way to get it
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@Wisdomseyes1 depends on the state, actually. And even then, only with the expectation of privacy. If you're in a one-party consent state, you're fine to record. You're the one party. If you're not, check company guidelines. If recorded meetings are fine (I'd ask HR or your bosses' boss for clarification) then you're fine to record. This is a meeting on paid time, after all.
I once had a review where I was told I should be talking to my supervisor to see where I need to improve my work. If I'm doing something wrong or underperforming, my supervisor should be telling me what's wrong. If I'm not getting feedback, I'm assuming I'm doing everything right.
Good communication, and healthy communication, is a HUGE missing piece. I was FIFTY YEARS OLD before I EVER had a manager who was actually GOOD at that. Then came the pandemic and the company used it as cover to shut down our offices permanently and send 650 jobs overseas.
Your videos made me realize just how great of a manager and leader my mom is with her team. She is caring, patient and has always prioritized family and encouraged the people that work under her to do the same. And I have a whole level of respect for her since I started watching your videos and others. Thank you.
I would actually call someone in for a talk if I noticed them coming in early, staying late or logging in on the weekend. This is not desirable behavior. It's dysfunction.
Let's begin with "Your performance as manager has exceeded my expectations" closely followed by "And no, that is not a compliment" and the list of issues.
Yeah, cause sure as shit, when they overload you and you can't do 4 people's jobs, they blame you. Ask me how I know.... happens all the time in nursing.
after a "conversation" with my boss who informed me they want to "part ways" i very much feel this particular video. I feel like that was definitelly one of the issues, even tho i went above and beyond. My boss took absolutely no feedback, and i was constantly told to do better and more and more. Im not unhappy to leave this workplace but the way it went down oof.
One of my previous bosses told me that some people want to move up in their careers, and that's fine. Some people are content in what they do and have no urge to take on more. Some people are just in it to do their specific job and do it well enough not to work extra hours. Those people are trustworthy in doing the work they are paid for but don't offer to take on more. I have aspirations to move up, and she knew it, so she was willing to do the work to mentor me and help which is why she mentored me in also seeing just doing what is asked is also essential. We need all types of people to get the work done. Any boss who belittles you for just wanting to do the work and have a life is not a good leader.
I wish more people understood that. Thankfully haven't had a boss like this, but my family? Oof. Constant "you got a government/management job yet? I know a place" despite me barely being able to function as a human doing work I enjoy on a schedule (or lack thereof, really) that works for me and pays my bills. I am not built for high stress jobs and you'd think the people that have known me since birth would figure it out at some point, but nah, why aren't you grinding into an early grave?
@@melrenee5416people have to grind either way (housing, food, etc), so why not try for a job that at least has some employee protections? In the U.S., that's only government, union, or high level professional.
@@marysueechols2845 because I want enjoy the job I'm doing so that I don't burn out and off myself because I have nothing to look forward to besides a job I hate to get money I won't have the energy to spend? Did you even read my comment? 💀
funny that company's logic won't apply to any other job. "i know i paid you to mow my lawn but i'm disappointed that you never mop my living room as well" 🤦🏻♀️
I mean I’m a chef and overtime isn’t asked for, it’s expected. In my 10 years of my career I’ve found only 1 job that it is discouraged unless absolutely necessary and the ranking for staying back goes 1. By the hour 2. Casuals 3. Salary. It is magical
Exactly my employer. People leave or are let go and they distribute the work to others instead of hiring another person. Everyone is overworked and underpaid. Sad
@@katiebaldwin40salary you can negotiate a higher rate though, for example I usually ask in the interview the expected shift times and hours per week as adjust that into my salary expectation, for example I stay a half an hour every day because it is expected in my role, so I renegotiated the salary for this time. Also salary should still always have overtime limitations if it exceeds the expected maximum amount. Salary is great in the long run if you know how to play the game too
I’m retired and the last position I had for close to 20 years and under the present leadership was really great as the leadership on all levels from the top down was great and understanding. I’m in Raleigh NC and worked for Wakemed. Don’t mind giving them kudos.
It doesn't matter how much you do, it is never enough. Even when you do work overtime on a consistent basis and put forth the effort in completing goals, management still finds a way to performance you out of work due to their version of incompetence.
Yep. They have a budget, and have already decided your compensation or cutbacks. Your 'review' is theater, vestigial from era when raises were given regularly.
There would be a follow up from me with the feedback in an email including attached resignation letter included. This would also go to HR and other relevant supervisors. You get paid for the hours you work, any extra time is OT. If they don’t wanna pay it then you don’t work it, that simple.
Feedback is a gift. I love my employees who understand that it’s a two-way street, and they’re allowed to tell me anything, so long as it is honest. I need to know when there are ways I could serve them better.
Yeah, they're only interested in getting more work for free from you, not actually making a better team. It's not team playing if all team members don't get at least a hearing.
Never wanting to do more than what we're paid for is right. That becomes a habit real quick, and if you then say you can't do that extra work any more then your bare minimum is considered lazy and under-performing.
Weird how the company never spontaneously shows its commitment to me by randomly giving me a raise. That "commitment to team spirit" only ever seems to be flowing one way.
I have worked so hard on my own exactly like that for so many jobs. No I am not coming in early do an extra work and staying later so that you can say oh hey everybody look be like her. No, no, no that is not okay. That is exactly why I'm going to start acting this way. I did that so that I would get noticed and I would get promoted. Neither one of them happened and jobs just used me and could not care less that I tried that hard. It is not okay to look at hard work and think that oh everybody should be doing it. No the best people will do it. This video and from my experience complimenting this video as well has put me to the point where I'm okay with not trying as hard anymore because the employers that I worked for didn't appreciate me.
My current job is the same way. I completely disagreed with my crappy performance review so I never signed it. I outperform every other person in the department and they refused to give me a raise or a good rating because they think they are already paying me too much (+$1 over my wage from 5 years ago)
@@visionsofparadise578 yeah i find the amount of effort needed to get promotion and raise at current employer is not worth it vs going to a new employer every few years for better pay. Plus stuff like pto can easily be matched.
@@visionsofparadise578 Jeeze. If you'd job hopped every two years you'd be getting quite a bit more unless you're in a particular sector that has too many qualified workers for the available work.
@visionsofparadise578 I'd start doing less and less as time goes on to account for inflation. You are effectively earning less and per year, so your work should reflect your pay
The employee is 100% correct, but will likely never move up if she doesn’t “play the game”. Unfortunate but true. If the environment is toxic then better off just moving on.
HR is there for the company, not the employees. The employees need to file the complaints, and there have to be a lot of them before HR gets involved. And, even then, most likely nothing would happen.
@@NeversurrenderMM66 If I had a dollar for every time I've read that HR exists to protect the company, not the employee, I could retire today. If course HR exists to protect the company. But when a manager is mistreating valuable employees, and potentially costing the company a human asset or violating the rights of employees and opening the company to potential fines or litigation, then HR becomes the employee's advocate by default. Bad mid-level mangers are a common enemy of labor and upper management alike.
My boss complains all the time that I don't do everything I know how to do. I point out each time that I do exactly what I'm paid to do. Followed by telling him, "I'm a mercenary, I have a price tag. So make an offer and I'll see about doing more."
A co-worker of mine constantly helped others, always took on extra work, gave hints to other employees to make their jobs easier, was always the first one into the office, worked like a dog, and *SOMEONE ELSE* always got the promotions. My friend *would* receive scheduled raises, as she worked in state government, but she did *not* receive raises based on her work ethic. BTW, she retired 30 years ago, so that was during the "good old days" After she left, it took *THREE* employees to replace her.
At the summer camp I used to work for, our leadership was MORE than willing to take feedback to ask how they can help the counselors and run camp smoother. It was really productive and everyone was happier
Not to mention that it also conveys a lack of value of the person AT ALL. It comes across as "I wouldn't even HAVE a conversation with you, but I'm REQUIRED to for this. So let's get this over with." How nice.🙄
@@marysueechols2845 That was the first thing I thought - They already decided what they were going to do with this person before anyone ever even sat down for the review.
She was hired to do the job she does. Her employer pulled a bait and switch on her. "Sorry, we told you that you were hired to do one job but our needs have changed without notice to you and so now you'll be doing another, more complex job for the same pay and with no other added form of compensation."
Hope you forwarded it to HR. Bad middle managers are a liability to the employER, not just the employee. They can do huge damage over time in lost productivity, underperforming teams and low retention of trained and skilled employees. They drive the most motivated / highest skilled people to move on; the employer ends up with mediocre employees willing to put up with mistreatment as they have few other options. A company treating employees in this manner self-selects for mediocrity or outright failure. I'm a retired sales executive; have seen this over and over in enterprises of all sizes.
I understand and agree. I would love to know why bad mid-level micromanagers are kept and rewarded even when upper/ executive mgmt has heard repeatedly that they have loathsome "ball-busters" in the ranks. When "He gets results" and "That group has a large mental health insurance expenditure budget" are on the same spreadsheet, maybe exec mgmt should check the ROI of those great results.
@@brucebennett5759 The culture of an organization is set AT THE TOP. "We've always done it this way" plays a part. So does lax oversight and just plain bad C-suite occupants (again, at the top). Crappy middle manglers cannot long survive with strong oversight. At every level, disconnected, out-of-touch management allows havoc to entrench itself. Only the presence of able managers with VISION and EHTHICS can root out toxicity. In the USA's present culture of 'Greed is good' and focus on quarterly results - at the expense of long term ones - both are too often lacking.
I'm thankful my current boss is willing to listen to suggestions but there is always that fear of backlash. Not so much from her but it was instilled in us by previous leadership. It can be rough when you feel stuck with no options
As a successful business person who employs many happy staff, I want to say a few things. I got to where I am by working harder than everyone else. That means going over and above what’s expected. This in turn gives me 2 things. 1, additional experience over my peers, 2, opportunities to work on career advancing projects because my employer valued my work ethic. Now that I employ staff, I don’t expect any more from my staff, but I can also say that those who go over and above get the better jobs and opportunities and grow. That’s just how it goes. Having an unhealthy attitude towards your job which is really an opportunity, keeps workers unsatisfied and stops them from progressing.
I never wasted so much of my time, life, effort, sleep, and mental health on a job until I got my first official job as an adult at 18... (worked odd jobs for family/friends plus volunteer work growing up) That place drained the hell out of me, and I was seething with just hate, anger and dread by the time I left, for myself and others, even those I actually loved to work with on my shifts! I just ended up resenting it all and only got the courage to leave cause a family member was ill in the hospital in a different state, and we weren't sure what was going to happen. I put in a week of PTO, only to be denied the full time, given only 2 days (even after explaining why I needed to go) all because other managers were off during that time or calling out "sick" all the freaking time... I wasn't even a manager but knew how to do their job, better than some of them. All because the higher-ups were too lazy to walk to the store from the office and do their jobs... Never, ever again. I now know my worth!
I did this to my front line supervisor and store manager. Was told that it was disrespectful but they couldn't explain why. I was instantly red carded. Went back to my position and had literally just got there when another supervisor told me I had to go back. I asked if they were sure as I just left. I got back and was promptly fired. Best thing to ever happen to me. Turned me off to retail, but the reality is, I retired from a State job, from a certified/accredited office, managing forty people. I was boarded and licensed for my State position and this retail store management are horrible
At a job I had; an hourly member of management was told they would have to work one day a week off the clock because we are short handed. He refused. (They were already working a couple of hours off the clock; because OT is not permitted.) Two days after they refused, corporate came in and fired them for improperly processing refunds. Not the first time I have seen members of management fired for retaliation but marked as fired for reason. They wonder why I refused a promotion.
25 years ago a peer blew my mind when he ‘fired’ our manager. manager was like ‘what?’, peer says, ‘you are no longer my manager-I don’t report to you.’ The small company needed my peer more than they needed the manager so he got his way and eventually the manager was fired after being relegated to obscurity. The things you can do in a small company. Never seen it anywhere before or since.
over many years and many many jobs from hospo, to education, banking, travel, tourism, care work, retail, I can only think of one job I have ever had that didn't expect me to do more than what I was paid for in terms of effort and time. Even just the 15mins pre and post but adds up to 3hrs a week unpaid, not replacing staff, increasing work loads ect. so often pushed as "be a team player, do your best" 🤪
I worked at a law firm for many years. One year the managing partner decided that 360° reviews were a good idea. They were not, ha! Some managers received such poor reviews they tried to blackball certain employees. It even resulted in a few accusations of sexual harassment. It was freakin’ crazy.
Pay raises for a rank and file employee is between 0 and 5%. You can't just excel in your job, you have to take on responsibilities above and beyond your job description - i.e., "other duties as required". And, the average annual pay raise is approximately 2%. Meanwhile, the median package for CEOs rose to $16.3 million, up 12.6%
"Never wanting to do more than what you're paid for." Well, it's a business/professional relationship, not a personal/romantic one. You get exactly what you pay me to do. Not one thing less, not one thing more. You want me to do more, let's negotiate. It's that simple.
It would be funny to pull out your own checklist and start listing the stuff they could be doing. Wish I'd have thought of that before I started working for myself.
When we have our performances they have us write down all thoughts and concerns to our own leaders and sicuss furing the review. My bosses encourage us to be brutal and they actually do take the feedback and improve to an extent.
"if you are such a good team player, could you go to my house and mow my lawn? Pain the side fence? Pay the babysitter? What? No? you aren't paid to do that? Funny, I was thinking the same thing just a moment ago.
"Let us go over your Midyear Performance Check-in Review." Good God! I never thought I'd be more glad to have gotten away from Middle Management-speak!
I always left school when I could to beat the rush hour as I had a commute. My coworker would work herself to the bone putting on shows, doing extra lessons for the kids. Ironically, the students favored me and not her. It was a personality issue. I had a life as a teacher. I danced, went on trips. Then I got sick and retired early. I had a great work/ life balance when I was a teacher. I was a good teacher. I don't regret it at all.
'Never wanting to do more than your paid for, that's another one' "Yep. This is a business transaction. I am selling you labor. You aren't getting any discounts. You want more labor, you better pay for more labor. Remember, I'm only here because my fridge doesn't fill itself and my grampa's old truck doesn't restore itself. You're one lottery ticket win away from losing me...."
If your company doesn’t discuss your positives and strengths regardless of how good you are of an employee, leave, they know nothing of good management. If they aren’t open to feedback, leave, they don’t give a shite about your wellbeing.
'I also have on here that you could take initiative and get involved with more projects and more work' "I have it on here that you could pay me better, but hey. You get what you pay for....."
Used to give an old job 20 minutes free a day for 6 months, clocked out 45 seconds early once, and got my face ripped off for 5 minutes. Never saw a penny increase while working there. And they acted surprised when I left.
I worked at one place where the annual 'check in' was a 13 page packet to fill in. My supervisor complained about the amount of work it took to complete mine since I didn't get too wordy on details. I explained that if I have to write a novel and jump up and down to say 'look at me' then the company probably has something else wrong and this packet won't fix a thing. The following year it was down to 5 questions and a simple grid with 10 points to grade on. Supervisor didn't have to do as much work either...
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Toxic leadership 101
This is litererly 90% of companies 😂
Not a leader, just a manager.
I tried to confront them the same way, they terminated the contracts.😅
It's not toxic to plainly state that we don't promote or give raises to people who do the bare minimum. But lazy and selfish people find everything toxic so I suppose this comment makes sense
@@Kyle-xw7uu Don't you have some boots that need a good tongue cleaning?
"You're one of the only employees who doesn't work for free..."
Yep, exactly 👍
"Right. Because I'm the only one who works efficiently enough to finish my work within my scheduled hours. Maybe you should talk to the rest of the team about why they're failing to adequately judge their workloads? You should be asking me for advice, not punishing me for being good at what I do."
This is the culture at my job; too. I'm not checking my emails until the minute I'm on the clock. Not a second earlier
Which is of course a lie they tell everyone.
The others working there need to get their act together. Corps get away with this, because a large % of employees are willing to let them away with it. If people would stop working extra w/o compensation, corps would stop trying that crap. Lot of nations in Euro are strict about working hrs and such; they actually care about employees have a personal life.
- You never log-in earlier and stay late
- The company never gives me extra money to show appreciation
Or to compensate me for the additional hours.
I can't like this comment enough 😍
its not about money man. It is about your life flowing between your fingers.
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This is exactly why I’ll never be in a salary based work environment, pay me for the hours worked, not for set amount of hours while expecting me to work double that amount in one day 😂
I used to be one of those “team player” employees. When the pandemic hit, my office couldn’t fully close because of the type of work we did. Regulations wouldn’t allow for certain documents to be signed electronically so someone needed to be there to receive mail. That ended up being my responsibility. Everyone else who got to work from home would email me documents and I would print them out, mail them, and then when they were returned I would scan them to whomever it was for. When I eventually got COVID, and had to stay home, everyone was pretty quiet when asked if they wouldn’t mind covering for me. After allll of that, my review simply just stated “meets expectations” and I was denied my normal yearly raise. So yeah, I no longer break my back for my job. I do my work and then live my life.
Well that’s terrible that they didn’t even cover for you while sick. I get the corporation doing corporation things, but your coworkers should’ve at least stepped up for one of their own on a passably functional work environment.
@@MemphisCorollaS yeah that really was such a knife in the back. After all I did for them. Thankfully I don’t work there anymore.
Where I work they started accepting Amazon returns in our shipping department which is now a good sized chunk of our business but they didn't allow enough hours on the clock to cover for it so we are stretched so thin that if just one person calls out we're screwed and stressed out the whole day. It seems this how corporations make money now, by understaffing and underpaying so most people like me have zero loyalty and are soft quitting while looking for better opportunities.
These greedy assholes don't consider our lives and only look to profit off of us, they don't understand we work to live we don't live to work.
@@1ManNamedDan ugh that is such bullshit. I’m so sorry. I hope you are able to find a company that sees you as a person and not a robot!
@lindsayannsings428 - WTH????
I hope you have completely recovered from Covid, and do not have "Long Covid" or any other lasting symptoms.
It's absolutely staggering that you only received a "Meets Expectations", and *DENIED* your raise. How utterly insulting! They had some nerve doing that after *you worked during Covid so THEY could stay safe at home* .
How the hell did they rationalize that?That is breathtakingly cold. Wow.
"Never wanting to do more than what you're paid for."
..."Yes, that accurately sums up my contract. I'm paid $X to do $Y, as was mutually agreed upon my hiring. I'm open to renegotiation if more is expected."
Exactly
This is litererly 80% of how you get more money for doing less work.... you firt do more so you get promotion and then you do less for more money. How come people don't get this? 😂
@@tommphaseznamcz that's a lame bet in today's corporate environment. You're betting your free labor will pay off in a promotion. If it doesn't and you scale back to your originally agreed upon scope of work, you're seen as slacking off and subsequently terminated.
A very high risk, low-odds bet that nobody in Vegas would take.
@@TheMrMused maybe not in usa, but here in EU it is the way it works. I did it 2 times and i see people doing it all the time. But you have to put way more time then oders and time along is not gonna cut it. You need skill and mostly result. I never put in most time, but a bit more but was it top with results and when the company was looking for new managers they came to me. It works coz the company wants mostly money.
@@tommphaseznamcz Will you make it to retirement age I wonder?
If career advancement is blocked by not doing unpaid work, then my union would like to discuss this with management
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That is why law have been passed to reduce the powers of unions. In the 80s most major construction projects where union only sights. You could not even deliver supplies to the jobsite unless you were part of a union. It did not matter what union you were part of, every worker on site was part of a union. That practice is now illegal
my husband works for Accenture and he was tasked with QA monitoring and QA assessment on his colleagues and promised a promotion but it's been a year and still no promotion lol but he does above and beyond his scope. Unfortunately if you don't do those you'll never get a promotion in most companies like this
@chinnywanders time to go job hunting! The best way to increase salary is to switch jobs, switching every 3 years can have a 20 to 40 percent increase in salary as well as better position.
The idea that such unpaid work will lead to advancement, promotions, or bonuses is also a lie. Companies like to dangle these things in front of employees, but they never promise anything in writing. Companies that expect people to work for free don't give good bonuses and tend to recruit from outside the company. The only real way to advance your career is to hop companies. Working unpaid overtime is a sucker's game.
"You cannot advance without working outside your scheduled hours"
"Can I get that in writing?"
That line sends people off so quickly you'd think Scotty beamed them out of the room. One of my go-to responses which works because it's true is: We both know that a poor auditory memory is practically a job requirement so I'm afraid I cannot be responsible for anything I don't receive in writing.
"You wont work yourself to death for free, so we dont like you." "Aww, that just breaks my heart. Toodaloo."
Toodaloo.
Remember guys they will never pick you up when you crash and burn. But they are sure willing to bury you if you become liability.
Dont be faithful to a job, be faithful to yourself.
This is 100% true. I crashed with an autoimmune disorder that was exasperated by stress and chronic lack of sleep. It left me in constant pain and they simply don't care
Get a good job where they do care. Be loyal to that job. I needed to take an emergency trip out of state to handle something for my children and the only discussion was "you can use the company card for gas". When my wife got the cancer, they let me have every day off I needed, with pay, even after I was out of PTO. When the new insurance ended up costing me huge amounts of money, I got a performance bonus and a raise.
These companies do exist, and I tell you, every day isn't always great, but I love my job so much overall.
@paladin181 that is about a 1 in a trillion type of jobs. There isn't many and most people will never find a job like that. In america the business model is profits over people.
One of my co-workers was a FANTASTIC employee. Always going above and beyond, feeling guilty whenever she was sick and calling off, etc. They'd give her a pat in the back and tell her how grateful they were, UNTIL she hurt her back on the job. They refused to acknowledge she did it on the job and started treating her like she was a lazy piece of crap even when she still tried to go above and beyond. Companies, especially large corporations, will use you up and spit you out without a moments hesitation. I do my job and do it well, but will NEVER put my company ahead of me or my family.
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I've always felt that corporate American hates employees being content in their position.
If you're content, you clearly aren't working hard enough. Only miserable people meet quotas, obviously 🥴💀
(/s, if it wasn't obvious 😅)
Content employees with no desire for promotion = no carrot and stick to dangle
It does. Not only because people that have no ambition to move up aren't easy to control by denying promotions, but because of how everything works in this country, if you are not growing, you are seen as failing. So an employee that does not desire to move up is considered to be a potential misuse of resources
its simmilar in europe,
whever you try to get hired you gotta talk about your totally real grandiose expectations from yourself for the future.
its not enough for you to make money (and get back pennies) they also want someone who wants to "grow" (be promoted) cause those guys can be worked even harder, even though thats not how promotions work.
someone can only get promoted if theres an oppening. so even if you despretly wanted/needed more money overworking yourself it's not the way to get it
@@2junieb Then they undercut that carrot by next to never promoting from within, only outside hires get the open positions.
I record mine for a reason. I would've sent this straight to HR.
HR is always, always, on the company’s side.
the best they’d do is have someone tell you these exact things in a more friendly, diplomatic way
People are dum dums no a days.... they just try to do barreminimum to not get fired😅
Record and goes right to union rep. No union? You’re doing it wrong.
Unfortunately, you cannot record someone without their express consent. You could get in trouble if you don’t explicitly inform the other party. Keep that in mind! Stay safe
@Wisdomseyes1 depends on the state, actually. And even then, only with the expectation of privacy. If you're in a one-party consent state, you're fine to record. You're the one party. If you're not, check company guidelines. If recorded meetings are fine (I'd ask HR or your bosses' boss for clarification) then you're fine to record. This is a meeting on paid time, after all.
I once had a review where I was told I should be talking to my supervisor to see where I need to improve my work. If I'm doing something wrong or underperforming, my supervisor should be telling me what's wrong. If I'm not getting feedback, I'm assuming I'm doing everything right.
Good communication, and healthy communication, is a HUGE missing piece. I was FIFTY YEARS OLD before I EVER had a manager who was actually GOOD at that. Then came the pandemic and the company used it as cover to shut down our offices permanently and send 650 jobs overseas.
And then if the manager doesn’t tell you where you can improve they fire you and say that you weren’t up to snuff.
Your videos made me realize just how great of a manager and leader my mom is with her team. She is caring, patient and has always prioritized family and encouraged the people that work under her to do the same. And I have a whole level of respect for her since I started watching your videos and others. Thank you.
I would actually call someone in for a talk if I noticed them coming in early, staying late or logging in on the weekend. This is not desirable behavior. It's dysfunction.
The amount of unpaid work we do for employers is astonishingly high.
I love the offer of mutual feedback.
I love how she instantly rejected it as well. Management who can't talk criticism is worthless.
Never work when you’re at home for your job unless you get paid. And never work for free.
Funny how "commitment to this team" often only works in one direction. This team doesn't seem to be treating her properly.
With management like that, it's not a "team". It's more like a chain gang. A lot of whip-cracking and not much ice water.
I would have just started listing their faults. "You are not committed to improving as a leader." Or. "I am regularly harassed outside of work hours."
Let's begin with "Your performance as manager has exceeded my expectations" closely followed by "And no, that is not a compliment" and the list of issues.
Always stand your ground in instances like this. If they want more work, they need to pay for more work.
It balances by going to owners equity. Simple
Yeah, cause sure as shit, when they overload you and you can't do 4 people's jobs, they blame you. Ask me how I know.... happens all the time in nursing.
... accountant spotted! 👀
after a "conversation" with my boss who informed me they want to "part ways" i very much feel this particular video. I feel like that was definitelly one of the issues, even tho i went above and beyond. My boss took absolutely no feedback, and i was constantly told to do better and more and more. Im not unhappy to leave this workplace but the way it went down oof.
I wish you the best for wherever you go next!
One of my previous bosses told me that some people want to move up in their careers, and that's fine. Some people are content in what they do and have no urge to take on more. Some people are just in it to do their specific job and do it well enough not to work extra hours. Those people are trustworthy in doing the work they are paid for but don't offer to take on more. I have aspirations to move up, and she knew it, so she was willing to do the work to mentor me and help which is why she mentored me in also seeing just doing what is asked is also essential. We need all types of people to get the work done. Any boss who belittles you for just wanting to do the work and have a life is not a good leader.
Well said.
I wish more people understood that. Thankfully haven't had a boss like this, but my family? Oof. Constant "you got a government/management job yet? I know a place" despite me barely being able to function as a human doing work I enjoy on a schedule (or lack thereof, really) that works for me and pays my bills. I am not built for high stress jobs and you'd think the people that have known me since birth would figure it out at some point, but nah, why aren't you grinding into an early grave?
@@melrenee5416people have to grind either way (housing, food, etc), so why not try for a job that at least has some employee protections? In the U.S., that's only government, union, or high level professional.
@@marysueechols2845 because I want enjoy the job I'm doing so that I don't burn out and off myself because I have nothing to look forward to besides a job I hate to get money I won't have the energy to spend? Did you even read my comment? 💀
“You are one of the only employees who does not let yourself get taken advantage of”
funny that company's logic won't apply to any other job. "i know i paid you to mow my lawn but i'm disappointed that you never mop my living room as well" 🤦🏻♀️
Don't forget cleaning the bathroom, as well.
I mean I’m a chef and overtime isn’t asked for, it’s expected. In my 10 years of my career I’ve found only 1 job that it is discouraged unless absolutely necessary and the ranking for staying back goes 1. By the hour 2. Casuals 3. Salary. It is magical
Exactly my employer. People leave or are let go and they distribute the work to others instead of hiring another person. Everyone is overworked and underpaid. Sad
Don't have that problem with hourly work. Oh, you want me to work late? Sure, I'd love some more overtime.
Isn't denying advancement even partially because of refusal to do unpaid work illegal?
Corporate calls it salary. Lol
@@katiebaldwin40salary you can negotiate a higher rate though, for example I usually ask in the interview the expected shift times and hours per week as adjust that into my salary expectation, for example I stay a half an hour every day because it is expected in my role, so I renegotiated the salary for this time. Also salary should still always have overtime limitations if it exceeds the expected maximum amount. Salary is great in the long run if you know how to play the game too
I’m retired and the last position I had for close to 20 years and under the present leadership was really great as the leadership on all levels from the top down was great and understanding. I’m in Raleigh NC and worked for Wakemed. Don’t mind giving them kudos.
Ooouuu. Love that passive-aggressive coffee cup! 😂
It doesn't matter how much you do, it is never enough. Even when you do work overtime on a consistent basis and put forth the effort in completing goals, management still finds a way to performance you out of work due to their version of incompetence.
They already decided compensation budget- review is theater
I would like that in writing so that HR & labor board knows that you are requiring me to break the law...😳
These are just tools the leadership team uses to explain why you don’t get promoted. Doesn’t really matter if you are good at your job.
She just documented in the format that matters that you are not good at your job.
Yep. They have a budget, and have already decided your compensation or cutbacks. Your 'review' is theater, vestigial from era when raises were given regularly.
There would be a follow up from me with the feedback in an email including attached resignation letter included. This would also go to HR and other relevant supervisors. You get paid for the hours you work, any extra time is OT. If they don’t wanna pay it then you don’t work it, that simple.
Midyear review in less than 50 seconds 😅
“Oh, you aren’t open to feedback?l SLAM.
Feedback is a gift. I love my employees who understand that it’s a two-way street, and they’re allowed to tell me anything, so long as it is honest. I need to know when there are ways I could serve them better.
That boss/ manager is ridiculous 😅😅😅😅
typically, less obvious, but essentially very accurate portrayal.
@@vbminsk ok she maybe right to a certain extent but the employer definitely knows what she is talking about.
Yeah, they're only interested in getting more work for free from you, not actually making a better team. It's not team playing if all team members don't get at least a hearing.
Never wanting to do more than what we're paid for is right. That becomes a habit real quick, and if you then say you can't do that extra work any more then your bare minimum is considered lazy and under-performing.
Weird how the company never spontaneously shows its commitment to me by randomly giving me a raise.
That "commitment to team spirit" only ever seems to be flowing one way.
I would love to hear the reverse notes…
I second this!
I agree!! Sounds like a good topic for a follow-up video with the same individuals involved in a third party being HR
I have worked so hard on my own exactly like that for so many jobs. No I am not coming in early do an extra work and staying later so that you can say oh hey everybody look be like her. No, no, no that is not okay. That is exactly why I'm going to start acting this way. I did that so that I would get noticed and I would get promoted. Neither one of them happened and jobs just used me and could not care less that I tried that hard. It is not okay to look at hard work and think that oh everybody should be doing it. No the best people will do it. This video and from my experience complimenting this video as well has put me to the point where I'm okay with not trying as hard anymore because the employers that I worked for didn't appreciate me.
Luckily back at my old job the management had to upload online for HR and corporate to see that they did the reviews and had us sign off on them.
It doesn't matter if your boss and hr/ownership are on the same page.
My current job is the same way. I completely disagreed with my crappy performance review so I never signed it. I outperform every other person in the department and they refused to give me a raise or a good rating because they think they are already paying me too much (+$1 over my wage from 5 years ago)
@@visionsofparadise578 yeah i find the amount of effort needed to get promotion and raise at current employer is not worth it vs going to a new employer every few years for better pay. Plus stuff like pto can easily be matched.
@@visionsofparadise578 Jeeze. If you'd job hopped every two years you'd be getting quite a bit more unless you're in a particular sector that has too many qualified workers for the available work.
@visionsofparadise578 I'd start doing less and less as time goes on to account for inflation. You are effectively earning less and per year, so your work should reflect your pay
Oh I know the end of the story regarding
feedback to the leader soooooo well. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah… I’d be speaking with HR a lot on that one and looking at other positions outside the company.
Love when they want you to come in early or stay late and pretend it's just something to help not a crime of unpaid labor.
Lol! Imagining that you are supposed to give feedback on your boss's performance! How rich!
Who better to evaluate a bosses performance than the people who work under them.
@@Birdbike719 right - like privates can evaluate officers? Med techs can evaluate doctors? Teachers evaluate superintendents?
@@johnwrclinton rget can certainly givd them info about their interpersonal interactions, yes. Their loss if they cant take feedback
@@johnwrclinton Of course! Why not?
@@johnwrclinton
Exactly.
So they demonstrate accountability and improvement---unless those aren't expected of the authorities? 🧐
I would be tempted to say, "You work extra hours, and don't get paid extra, so why should I?"
The employee is 100% correct, but will likely never move up if she doesn’t “play the game”. Unfortunate but true.
If the environment is toxic then better off just moving on.
I always change jobs to get a promotion. The current one will almost never give you one. So get your experience, then get the fuck out.
Sounds like HR is about to fire someone's boss for bullying company employees.
HR is there for the company, not the employees. The employees need to file the complaints, and there have to be a lot of them before HR gets involved. And, even then, most likely nothing would happen.
@@NeversurrenderMM66
If I had a dollar for every time I've read that HR exists to protect the company, not the employee, I could retire today.
If course HR exists to protect the company. But when a manager is mistreating valuable employees, and potentially costing the company a human asset or violating the rights of employees and opening the company to potential fines or litigation, then HR becomes the employee's advocate by default. Bad mid-level mangers are a common enemy of labor and upper management alike.
Given how this bullying is:
"as it is required" *by HR*
I doubt it.
@@user-jn4sw3iw4h If it were required, then it would be paid for, it would be in the contract.
My boss complains all the time that I don't do everything I know how to do. I point out each time that I do exactly what I'm paid to do. Followed by telling him, "I'm a mercenary, I have a price tag. So make an offer and I'll see about doing more."
I love this so much. Makes you sound like a mysterious character in a fantasy book.
Woooooo that white button up shirt and glasses look.... ❤ 🔥
A co-worker of mine constantly helped others, always took on extra work, gave hints to other employees to make their jobs easier, was always the first one into the office, worked like a dog, and *SOMEONE ELSE* always got the promotions. My friend *would* receive scheduled raises, as she worked in state government, but she did *not* receive raises based on her work ethic.
BTW, she retired 30 years ago, so that was during the "good old days"
After she left, it took *THREE* employees to replace her.
The sad part is that in the real world, the subordinate will be fired, and the toxic leader keeps on progressing up the ladder.
This is an accurate representation of the workplace. The outcome - buzz off - is also accurate.
At the summer camp I used to work for, our leadership was MORE than willing to take feedback to ask how they can help the counselors and run camp smoother. It was really productive and everyone was happier
Her preface with as it is required, really her lack of value for subordinates who expect fair compensation.
Not to mention that it also conveys a lack of value of the person AT ALL. It comes across as "I wouldn't even HAVE a conversation with you, but I'm REQUIRED to for this. So let's get this over with." How nice.🙄
@MsSantiago67 yep, it's all theater, for leverage/motivation. Compensation or cutbacks were already decided at budget time.
@@marysueechols2845 That was the first thing I thought - They already decided what they were going to do with this person before anyone ever even sat down for the review.
"Never wanting to do more than what you're paid for"-in other words, never allowing us to defraud you by demanding you do some work for free.
the cup message says it all. LOL
She was hired to do the job she does. Her employer pulled a bait and switch on her. "Sorry, we told you that you were hired to do one job but our needs have changed without notice to you and so now you'll be doing another, more complex job for the same pay and with no other added form of compensation."
Every time
I had this exact conversation with my supervisor
Hope you forwarded it to HR.
Bad middle managers are a liability to the employER, not just the employee. They can do huge damage over time in lost productivity, underperforming teams and low retention of trained and skilled employees.
They drive the most motivated / highest skilled people to move on; the employer ends up with mediocre employees willing to put up with mistreatment as they have few other options.
A company treating employees in this manner self-selects for mediocrity or outright failure. I'm a retired sales executive; have seen this over and over in enterprises of all sizes.
I understand and agree. I would love to know why bad mid-level micromanagers are kept and rewarded even when upper/ executive mgmt has heard repeatedly that they have loathsome "ball-busters" in the ranks.
When "He gets results" and "That group has a large mental health insurance expenditure budget" are on the same spreadsheet, maybe exec mgmt should check the ROI of those great results.
@@brucebennett5759 The culture of an organization is set AT THE TOP.
"We've always done it this way" plays a part. So does lax oversight and just plain bad C-suite occupants (again, at the top). Crappy middle manglers cannot long survive with strong oversight.
At every level, disconnected, out-of-touch management allows havoc to entrench itself. Only the presence of able managers with VISION and EHTHICS can root out toxicity. In the USA's present culture of 'Greed is good' and focus on quarterly results - at the expense of long term ones -
both are too often lacking.
I'm thankful my current boss is willing to listen to suggestions but there is always that fear of backlash. Not so much from her but it was instilled in us by previous leadership. It can be rough when you feel stuck with no options
As a successful business person who employs many happy staff, I want to say a few things.
I got to where I am by working harder than everyone else. That means going over and above what’s expected. This in turn gives me 2 things. 1, additional experience over my peers, 2, opportunities to work on career advancing projects because my employer valued my work ethic.
Now that I employ staff, I don’t expect any more from my staff, but I can also say that those who go over and above get the better jobs and opportunities and grow. That’s just how it goes.
Having an unhealthy attitude towards your job which is really an opportunity, keeps workers unsatisfied and stops them from progressing.
I'll be sending a recap of this meeting to HR today.
I never wasted so much of my time, life, effort, sleep, and mental health on a job until I got my first official job as an adult at 18... (worked odd jobs for family/friends plus volunteer work growing up)
That place drained the hell out of me, and I was seething with just hate, anger and dread by the time I left, for myself and others, even those I actually loved to work with on my shifts!
I just ended up resenting it all and only got the courage to leave cause a family member was ill in the hospital in a different state, and we weren't sure what was going to happen.
I put in a week of PTO, only to be denied the full time, given only 2 days (even after explaining why I needed to go) all because other managers were off during that time or calling out "sick" all the freaking time...
I wasn't even a manager but knew how to do their job, better than some of them.
All because the higher-ups were too lazy to walk to the store from the office and do their jobs...
Never, ever again. I now know my worth!
Okay but the mug killed me😂
I did this to my front line supervisor and store manager. Was told that it was disrespectful but they couldn't explain why. I was instantly red carded.
Went back to my position and had literally just got there when another supervisor told me I had to go back. I asked if they were sure as I just left.
I got back and was promptly fired.
Best thing to ever happen to me.
Turned me off to retail, but the reality is, I retired from a State job, from a certified/accredited office, managing forty people. I was boarded and licensed for my State position and this retail store management are horrible
At a job I had; an hourly member of management was told they would have to work one day a week off the clock because we are short handed. He refused. (They were already working a couple of hours off the clock; because OT is not permitted.)
Two days after they refused, corporate came in and fired them for improperly processing refunds. Not the first time I have seen members of management fired for retaliation but marked as fired for reason.
They wonder why I refused a promotion.
25 years ago a peer blew my mind when he ‘fired’ our manager. manager was like ‘what?’, peer says, ‘you are no longer my manager-I don’t report to you.’
The small company needed my peer more than they needed the manager so he got his way and eventually the manager was fired after being relegated to obscurity. The things you can do in a small company. Never seen it anywhere before or since.
over many years and many many jobs from hospo, to education, banking, travel, tourism, care work, retail, I can only think of one job I have ever had that didn't expect me to do more than what I was paid for in terms of effort and time. Even just the 15mins pre and post but adds up to 3hrs a week unpaid, not replacing staff, increasing work loads ect. so often pushed as "be a team player, do your best" 🤪
I love this woman!
It's always a one-way street with corporate!
Ah, yes, performance reviews...
the most ambiguous documentation your life will ever hinge on.
"No worries, I'll just pass those feedbacks onto your manager/HR instead"
“It seems that you are not aggressively proactive in identifying ways that you could improve my salary and stake-holder experience.
I worked at a law firm for many years. One year the managing partner decided that 360° reviews were a good idea. They were not, ha! Some managers received such poor reviews they tried to blackball certain employees. It even resulted in a few accusations of sexual harassment. It was freakin’ crazy.
Never wanting to do more than you’re paid for. And the problem with that would be……………? How about this/ just pay me for doing more- no problem!
Pay raises for a rank and file employee is between 0 and 5%. You can't just excel in your job, you have to take on responsibilities above and beyond your job description - i.e., "other duties as required". And, the average annual pay raise is approximately 2%.
Meanwhile, the median package for CEOs rose to $16.3 million, up 12.6%
Yep…. I’d get a new boss
"Never wanting to do more than what you're paid for." Well, it's a business/professional relationship, not a personal/romantic one. You get exactly what you pay me to do. Not one thing less, not one thing more. You want me to do more, let's negotiate. It's that simple.
It would be funny to pull out your own checklist and start listing the stuff they could be doing. Wish I'd have thought of that before I started working for myself.
I love your videos!
When we have our performances they have us write down all thoughts and concerns to our own leaders and sicuss furing the review. My bosses encourage us to be brutal and they actually do take the feedback and improve to an extent.
"if you are such a good team player, could you go to my house and mow my lawn? Pain the side fence? Pay the babysitter?
What? No? you aren't paid to do that? Funny, I was thinking the same thing just a moment ago.
Gets more done in less time. Sounds like a GOOD THING
"Being a team player" is another way of saying "Being a dedicated slave like the other employees here".
"Let us go over your Midyear Performance Check-in Review."
Good God! I never thought I'd be more glad to have gotten away from Middle Management-speak!
LOVE LOVE LOVE the mug!
I always left school when I could to beat the rush hour as I had a commute.
My coworker would work herself to the bone putting on shows, doing extra lessons for the kids.
Ironically, the students favored me and not her. It was a personality issue.
I had a life as a teacher. I danced, went on trips.
Then I got sick and retired early. I had a great work/ life balance when I was a teacher.
I was a good teacher.
I don't regret it at all.
"Ok, I'll be sure to forward my feedback to your supervisor then."
Why are these so good!🎉
'Never wanting to do more than your paid for, that's another one'
"Yep. This is a business transaction. I am selling you labor. You aren't getting any discounts. You want more labor, you better pay for more labor. Remember, I'm only here because my fridge doesn't fill itself and my grampa's old truck doesn't restore itself. You're one lottery ticket win away from losing me...."
If your company doesn’t discuss your positives and strengths regardless of how good you are of an employee, leave, they know nothing of good management. If they aren’t open to feedback, leave, they don’t give a shite about your wellbeing.
'I also have on here that you could take initiative and get involved with more projects and more work'
"I have it on here that you could pay me better, but hey. You get what you pay for....."
The cup! Lol😂
Used to give an old job 20 minutes free a day for 6 months, clocked out 45 seconds early once, and got my face ripped off for 5 minutes. Never saw a penny increase while working there.
And they acted surprised when I left.
I worked at one place where the annual 'check in' was a 13 page packet to fill in. My supervisor complained about the amount of work it took to complete mine since I didn't get too wordy on details. I explained that if I have to write a novel and jump up and down to say 'look at me' then the company probably has something else wrong and this packet won't fix a thing. The following year it was down to 5 questions and a simple grid with 10 points to grade on. Supervisor didn't have to do as much work either...
The real reason why there is a "labor shortage" people are done being exploited
I’m a senior Director for big IT and this lady would be at the top of my list for the next round of WFR’s
Which lady?
the answer to
"why don't you offer free labour"
is always
"why don't you offer a free paycheck"
"We don't have money for overtime pay."
"And I don't come in early or stay late."