This really gives you a good idea about shaping up your ideas before getting in all the technical stuff. Remember that music is about the feeling and the amazing thing about dnb is that you have to be a creative and technical guy to do it. Big up Villem and Bcee! Also for the snobs from the comment section, I'm sure you guys have a better music catalog than both of them ;)
@4:14 - Spotted 'I Refuse VIP [172]' in the list of projects, does anyone know where to find this track? I don't think it's been released? Was that project ever finished?
This reminds me of my first experiences producing back in 1999 in Sony Acid (Sonic Foundry). Pretty much I was making "sound collages" with samples vs writing actual music. The artistry comes in making it all work together sonic-ally without being too 'busy' or 'muddy'. Now I prefer creating my own sequences and beats on hardware, and can't be arsed to spend hours digging through samples on my hard drive.
Exactly there. Go ahead and try to do the same and achieve a tune as nice as this.... Its not just about throwing in random samples. The samples have to work well together and fit the tune. Also jungle & dnb has always been about sampling.
Ex0rz sampling yes and there is an art to that,,there's no art in putting pack samples together especially when you do nothing with em,you might as well go back to the days of rave ej or music 2000 on a PlayStation
I Agree & disagree at the same time. Those arent your typical samples. More like FX's. What they made using those, does kinda sound amazing... But yes I was also waiting for something more...
Am I the only one who gets the feeling Steve don't really have a clue about production and uses engineers? Building tracks from just samples... I think drew is the brains behind them and all the becee stuff is done by engineers.
Around 25:15 he even admits he isnt musically trained in any way. But to have a general understanding and love of the genre is a great place to start. He might not be up there with Noisia or others on production skills but he defo gets things done. It hasnt got to all be super complex snares made in serum and everything from scratch. Personally id love to hear a before and after of a few of the tracks they have made in which he actually started it off. Just to see how much input he actually had and wether or not Drew is the glue holding it together musically :)
Would you say a producer using an mpc is any less of a producer? Just slinging samples together and going for a general vibe. Purely curious as its very similar in my eyes and isnt that how jungle came to frutition in the first place
The Vanguard Project have churned out 7 EPs in 18 months so I find it incredible that they work on different DAWs!
Every Daw is exactly a same, a daw is just a window, that goes left and right (right meaning infinity) what counts is your creativity
@ThirdFocus
"every DAW is exactly the same" - uhh no, that's like saying every drawer's pencil is the same
word!
@@ThirdFocusMusic But you cant open a FL Studio project file in Cubase or Ableton etc.
@@Ex0rz you dont really need whole project files when you can export stems to drag and drop
This really gives you a good idea about shaping up your ideas before getting in all the technical stuff. Remember that music is about the feeling and the amazing thing about dnb is that you have to be a creative and technical guy to do it. Big up Villem and Bcee! Also for the snobs from the comment section, I'm sure you guys have a better music catalog than both of them ;)
Nice stuff. Cool guys too! Big ups!
genius project and so fun to mix on a good vibe ez day! luv em both and the collab has produced amazing material. 🔥
Very insightful. Thank you.
Such an entertaining masterclass.
legends! bcee is funny as
Wow This was fantastic ….Thanks...
I remember this main break from digital- gateman.
28:32 - Gets me every time.
pretty interesting workflow
Big ups
@4:14 - Spotted 'I Refuse VIP [172]' in the list of projects, does anyone know where to find this track? I don't think it's been released? Was that project ever finished?
This reminds me of my first experiences producing back in 1999 in Sony Acid (Sonic Foundry). Pretty much I was making "sound collages" with samples vs writing actual music. The artistry comes in making it all work together sonic-ally without being too 'busy' or 'muddy'.
Now I prefer creating my own sequences and beats on hardware, and can't be arsed to spend hours digging through samples on my hard drive.
It'd be so cool if you could sync DAWs for live collabs
What desk is it?
How do the breaks match the same swing?
You can see they chopped it up to match
Greetings, I represent a global music label and we are prepared to buy the rights to this track for $968 billion dollars. Do you accept this offer?
nice one
two normal guys old like me what a change
What track is this ?
I've been looking for it since seeing this video a couple of years ago. The magazine link is broken.
@@QuezJ81 sad times
Where's the thought process in just lobbing tons of sample pack samples together
Exactly there. Go ahead and try to do the same and achieve a tune as nice as this.... Its not just about throwing in random samples. The samples have to work well together and fit the tune. Also jungle & dnb has always been about sampling.
Ex0rz sampling yes and there is an art to that,,there's no art in putting pack samples together especially when you do nothing with em,you might as well go back to the days of rave ej or music 2000 on a PlayStation
I Agree & disagree at the same time. Those arent your typical samples. More like FX's. What they made using those, does kinda sound amazing... But yes I was also waiting for something more...
I guess thats why they didnt call this a "Producer masterclass" haha
fully agree. stacking just one sample beat over another seems like a 'PAINTING BY NUMBERS' approach? creativity questionable.
b2b producing lol, haha " some of the samples we get from proper places like were spose to...."
Am I the only one who gets the feeling Steve don't really have a clue about production and uses engineers? Building tracks from just samples... I think drew is the brains behind them and all the becee stuff is done by engineers.
Half the battle is marketing your music, so if thats his niche then let him play. Some of it still gets used so he cant be that bad
@@dudleygray3088 yeah marketing is a big battle. I can't knock that side of things, but when it comes to production, that's my opinion.
Around 25:15 he even admits he isnt musically trained in any way. But to have a general understanding and love of the genre is a great place to start. He might not be up there with Noisia or others on production skills but he defo gets things done. It hasnt got to all be super complex snares made in serum and everything from scratch. Personally id love to hear a before and after of a few of the tracks they have made in which he actually started it off. Just to see how much input he actually had and wether or not Drew is the glue holding it together musically :)
Would you say a producer using an mpc is any less of a producer? Just slinging samples together and going for a general vibe. Purely curious as its very similar in my eyes and isnt that how jungle came to frutition in the first place
samples & presets. zero innovation
This is sample based music.
i learnt absolutely nothing from this master class other than how to build lego
yet the end results are quite listenable and fun to mix! sometimes Photek type excess work is just too much and not really listenable.