One thing I learned when trying to do the text to speech is you have to test words to see how they'll sound and spell them so that they're pronounced correctly, like leeters instead of liters. Plus, it says litters for liters which doesn't make sense anyway.
I have used one of these pumps. They are amazing. They pump water 24/7 and use no electrical power. The flow is not great but over a 24 hour period there is a substantial volume .
@@mekanizmalar does your outlet water stay under pressure, and how much? or does this just go to an open tub with an overflow? Thanks and great video explanation!
Can you compute the physics of the Giza Pyramid as a Ram pump? You have water going down the descending passage, a valve shoots the water to the ascending passage and gallery. The pressure tank at the relief chambers, the output at queen’s chambers and kings chambers shafts for restarting and stopping actions through those arcs at those two copper electrodes
YT Channel: "Steven Myers". Video Series 2. Video 3. Introduction To The Construction Pump. The Great Pyramid was not a Ram Pump because it does not have a necessary cycling water vent in the subterranean chamber. He then goes on to describe how it was used as a pump, but not a Ram pump.
I would assert that the primary mechanism of the ram pump is conversion of kinetic energy rather than potential energy. Yes you need your reservoir to be above the pump (potential energy), but the key to the pump's operation is that the intake water must have some velocity so that when the waste valve closes the momentum of that mass of water forces the water along a different path even against some resistance, namely into the accumulator tank and ultimately through the outlet and uphill. If the inlet water flows too slowly it won't force itself into the tank, which means you need to tune the size and tension of the waste valve to allow the water to get up some speed before it forces the waste valve closed.
Intake water velocity is produced by converting the potential energy into kinetic energy. If the height difference between waste valve and reservoir surface is h. The water velocity will be sqrt(9,81*h) meter per second. Higher the h the faster the water will flow in the inlet pipe.
Momentum is the key word for my understanding. The water starts moving in the pipe and emptying out the waste valve. The valve slams shut. That momentum of the moving water pushes water up into the pressure tank. The cycle starts again.
this would be a really neat project to do at my family's cabin as it does not have flowing water and its a pain to tread down the rocky terrain to get said water
Very clearly explained - Thank you.... (though personally I think I'd like to experiment with a weighted piston system that has a resistance weight sufficient only to close the waste valve, plus perhaps a non-linear-load-spring of some sort; with a view to better exploiting the waters velocity. plus perhaps an inline; non-return valve near the base of the uphill delivery pipe = makes-ya'-thunk :) ) Again Thank-You :) John
Spot on video, but horrible computer voice. And for EVERY SINGLE VIDEO with computer voice here on TH-cam, I can only press the THUMBS DOWN button. Human beings need to understand that human communication is the key.
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Why not simply use the water pressure from the bottom of a water storage unit (like a lake, pond, or water tank? No waste water, at the price of needing a small pump to kickstart the siphoning. Also, no need for a more than one valve, to keep the water inside the tube even if the pumping stops.
Thank you for your visit to my channel and your comment. If you pump water below your pond level by siphoning than what you describe should work. In this technique you can go over the hill seven meter above the pond surface. After than seven meter your pipe should go downhill and exit of the pipe should be below pond surface level. With your technique you can not pump water one meter above the pond surface. It is impossible. Also thinking the waste water of a Ram pump as a waste is wrong. It should be called discharged water, it is necessary constrain the nature put on. Higher the discharged water rate, higher the water is pumped. Much higher than 7 meter I mentioned previously. When a dam produces electricity, you discharge the water, you can not use that water for irrigation fields which is above the dam discharge pipe level. Therefore you can consider it as waste water.
Actually, what I described is the principle behind water streams surfacing from the ground. The water pressure in the ocean is enough to push water through multiple layers of soil that filter it, and the water emerges from multiple points, leading to the creation of rivers. One way to check this is to check the pressure of something at a certain altitude outside the pond and the same altitude inside the pond, and you shall see that the pressure is greater underwater. By having a rigid shell (pipe) to house the water going out, you ensure that water does not press on the water inside from the outside in any other way than from the opening in the pipe (which is on the bottom of the pond). Having the bottom opening closed and no air inside the pipe would cause a water-hammer effect, which might start the siphoning. In the case the intended height is longer than what the water hammer can achieve, or the pipe already has water in it, using a pump (like a crank pump) to start the siphon will produce the same result. Well, the further in elevation you want to go, the smaller the volume of water that can be sent there in the same unit of time. For example, you might use a 1 cm pipe for 100m in elevation or 10cm pipe for 10m in elevation, and the example is arbitrary and there are other variables which might made the example invalid.
Think of it this way: if you use a 5 cm pipe to have the water get down 20 meters, than a 1 cm pipe to have the water go up 30 meters, the water hammer would kickstart a siphoning, and even if not, the pressure caused by the water on the bottom of those 20 meters might be enough to push the water 30 meters. However, if the water hammer doesn't make it, then you will need a pump at the end of the 1cm pipe and one tap leading to the pump and one valve to let water out of the system when the pump is off and not let air or water into the system when the pump is on. That way, you can more easily kickstart the system. Or you could have two valves at the bottom of those 20 meters, one to stop water from going up, and another one for emptying the 30 meters pipe, so that after it's emptied, when you let the water get back up again, the water hammer will kickstart the system, but you would have to walk down to restart the system, instead of just powering a pump.
Can this principal use a small pump ( in a existing pond)and send water up further than the the pump''s head height and what size to send water 4mtrs hgh
What if i build bundwall of rocks across the creek to elevate the water level to at least a meter high and install my rampump below the bundwall, but inside the creek to avoid wasting thr water?
Was giving this some thought. You can't impede the flow out of the waste valve. But if like in the diagram you dug a hole below the creek level you could mount the pump in the hole. Then use a separate water wheel pump to put the waste water back into the creek. Flowing water has it's own energy the water energy going to the ram pump is already being used but there is plenty of other water with potential energy that can be used.
Ain't gonna work, PP. Better: make a weir in your bundwall--a "V" cut, top center, that ALL the water has to pass through. Channel all the water possible into a pipe, affixed to the weir, and extending further downstream (5-7meters) to your pump inflow opening. The greater the flow and fall, the better your pump's resulting volume of water pumped. (And the greater the head/ feet it will be able to overcome.)
As long as u r pump the realse value water into few trucks nothing getting lost u can't simplely truck back into storage tanks, oer hve as ememgency water to go to fire w/. Huge volume of water used will quickly empty out water storage trucks, at fire. Or any where rual water lines not run to. Nearest lake can b used to store moved water tank trucks if not worth saving in truck or taking back to source. If each fire house had 2 water storage 7500 gal trucks any fire would hve meet it's match. At fire u can hve a fire house going for each water tank truck & hydrant to finish job. If 2 fire houses w/2 trucks each & 2 fire trucks show, u r talking 8 hoses going 2 per firetruck & 1 per water truck. 3 alarm 2 more water trucks & 2 more lines from firetruck.
Thank you for your long explanation. However, I have some comments. Collecting water downstream and transporting it upstream with a truck not energy efficient. You will spend money on gas; it is not free energy anymore. However, you can use the collected water for irrigation or use a small water turbine to generate electricity. If the water amount is not enough to run the turbine, you can run it for 12, 6, or 3 hours depending on the amount of water accumulated. However, all those extra work costs you some money. You are better off staying with a simple design.
I understand that this is be far a better way to pump water from a lower moving water source to any where higher but the waist water is more than am happy with, can you route the water back into water source . meaning if you did this from a water tank???????????????
you have to have another tank over the discard valve or a HIGHER PIPE over it with an open tank at top as high or hihger than the inflow area uphill.. to contain the water pressure from this height..it takes a few tests to figure this height.. this water REVERSES back into the pressure tank going up hill and contains the water..so simple ..people are silly
Why you not using Wantus System to Westing Water If using Air to Pumping Water High up Wantus do at Work Wantus is Same Pump System pipe on using 60 years ...
is there a ram pump that does excrete water? i mean yes it pumps water w/o electricity or fuel but it doesent pump the water out efficiently. some water gets wasted in the process.
+jaybs 25 Thank you for visiting my channel and your comment. Actually efficiency of this turbine is not as bad as it seams. I tried to explain this in the video. Let assume that this simple system working with 30 percent efficiency. Would you use 90 percent efficient electric pump to do pumping. It would be relatively expensive, would need electricity and monthly electric bill just for pumping the water. I would go with 30 percent efficiency without paying any bill.
marcibb I am hoping that someone more knowledgeable in the subject can answer this much better than I do. It is a difficult question to answer.I believe that when the system is designed there is NOT much control for someone to control it. I could be wrong, so lets wait someone more knowledgeable in the subject to pitch in. However for an optimum efficiency you may be able to design the ram pump by taking into consideration following properties. What is the volumetric rate of the water coming from supply side? What is the water head of the supply side? And finally what is the height of the storage thank with respect to the pump where we are going to pump water? Design should take those consideration for optimum ram pump for a given location. I think this is not exact answer you are looking for, but this is the best I can come up with.
What do you mean by another area? If you want to connect it to a pond where its elevation below the waste water level, yes you can. If there is another drop in the elevation, you could use another ram pump.
Yes, this only works in places where there is elevation difference between source of the water and its destination. It will definitely not work for a well.
Thank you for your visit. I am sorry that the robotic voices was so bad when I did this video. Now, Amazon and Google has almost human like voices and I begin to use Amozon.
Thank you for your visit and comment. Weight of the check valve pulling the valve downward. At the same time ram pressure pushes the valve to closed position. During this time the other check-valve (you call it anti back flow valve) is open and water begin to flow to the higher elevation. However the system is dynamic. Compression wave closing the waste valve is followed by an expansion wave which reduces pressure substantially and the waste valve opens. The water flowing around the valve reduces the pressure which causes the waste valve to close and cycle repeat itself.
why is the waste valve needed at all? can you just have the water enter the chamber, build to a high presser, close the anti back-flow valve and go to the outlet? then when the pressure is low again, the anti back-flow valve opens and the cycle repeats? I'm finding it hard to understand the role of the waste valve. thanks for the animation.
If I did not misunderstand what you are saying is that water magically flows from low level reservoir to high level reservoir, without discharging any water. If my understanding was correct, it is impossible thing to do. You cannot make a system that pump water from low elevation to high elevation without using an external power source.. That is why we use pumps to pump water to higher elevations. For the ram pump, the external power source is the potential energy of the waste water we discharge. If there is no discharge, there will be no water pumping.
I didn't understand why the left most valve ( in the above video) was needed. now i can see that it creates the inertia of the water needed to push the right most valve. before i thought you could simply have just the right valve and the water prussure from the resevoir alone.
So if you don't have a higher-than-the-pump water source then this pumping system is useless?? great! All I would need after building the pump is to build a river or pump water into a high tank first in order to be able to use this pump ,Genius! lol
Dear Dario, One way another we are doing this anyway. When we pump water to high ground we use electricity, which comes from a dam, coal power plant or a nuclear power plant. As I mentioned in the video, if location is right this is the best solution to pump water whithout using any external power. It is really genius idea who ever thought it the first time was realy genius. Rather than making fun of him whe should take or hat and bow in front of him. You can rearly see such an environment friendly invantion.
It is impossible to recover wastewater. Think about a water turbine operation in a dam. Can you recover water from the turbine exit? It would be against the conservation of energy principle, and you can't do it.
@@BigCroca Yes, you could do it if you don't mind carrying buckets of water uphill 24 hours a day. The reason you use this pump is to pump water uphill; if you collect wastewater, you can water a garden a little bit less altitude than wastewater, not higher than the water level.
SkillsFor Christ im guessing you cold make intermediary ponds along the way and have a series of pumps. 500m seems a long way. Just my thought, ive never actually made one.
You could use the high pressure from the bottom of the lake, to pump water upstream, but the higher you want to go, the deeper the intake has to be and the smaller the volume of water that can be moved. Also, a valve might be needed to keep the water from going back down if the pumping stops, and a pump (like a crank pump) might be needed to start and re-start the pumping. Note that you could use a solar collector-concentrator line (or lines) connected to a stirling engine to power a water pump, but the engine would need to use 2 small pumps for moving that heat from the pipes to the hot intake of the stirling engine, and cooling the cold part of the stirling engine. Excess heat can be stored in a rammed-earth structure (dirt + 5% cement and 5-10% water, packed down really well) with curved tubes for transferring heat. Also, another stirling engine (with it's own 2 small pumps) can be used to either cool down or heat up something (like for cooking or refrigerating/freezing food).
+Ye Olde Salt I don't understand your comment. Everyone knows that you need flowing water to generate electricity. But some people don't know about conservation of energy. You can't generate more energy from flowing water than its initial potential energy. Efficiency of your turbine will be measured as ratio of the generated energy versus the initial potential energy of the water.
potential energy can be infinite but no work will be done unless it turns kinetic. the point is that you should not have used the term "potential energy" at all. the correct term is "kinetic energy". Work = Force X Distance. No flow, no distance, hence no work.
+Ye Olde Salt I am sorry to say to you that your Work formula is completely wrong. Please correct the formula you write, before commenting how I use Potential energy description in my animation.
no go from here and researc the great pyramid water pump theory. it doesnt include aliens but its pretty crazy as well however more believable. one of my favorites.
Hard for me to understand the animation !!! Water source on the right side (large blue reservoir ? and the water is meant to be pumped uphill thry the red pipe on the left ? Please confirm.
Yes, it is exactly as you said. The large blue pipe on the right has intermittent water flow. When wastewater flows out, the pressure in the pipe reduces. This caused the wastewater valve to close. And flow coming from large blue pipe has some velocity but nowhere to go. This creates very high pressure close to the flowing feed valve to open and pumps water to an elevated level.
This is so fascinating. I imagine the water being pumped uphill can be stored in a water tower, that way buildings nearby could receive that water via gravity?
Good day,what is the meaning of RAM,is it an abbreviation of what?what mechanism is that the water goes outside the chambers,and lastly,the valves are in alternating sequence,like e.g. when one open,the other close and vice versa but not the same time close or open?thanks for you response.which determine if the accumulator valve to open and close also the diffuser valve to open and clise?
As you know RAM is a male sheep. During courtship, ram fights by banging theirs had to each other. Also during fortress sieges the gate of the fortress bang with a heavy log which is called ram. In the ram pump, the ramming is done by water. If water flows from a large pipe with high velocity, when water flow is suddenly interrupted this creates a lot of pressure inside the pipe, like a large log hitting a fortress gate. This event happens when the waste valve is closed. This high pressure is relieved by opening a water feeder valve which pumps water to the high ground. Eventually, this reduces pressure and the waste valve opens and at the same time the other valve closes, and the cycle is repeated.
when you shut the delivery valve, does the waste valve always open? how can the waste valve be opened in the direction opposite to the direction of the water flow? where does ram pump get its name? slam pump or goat pump? what does it ram?
Your statement about delivery valve shut and waste valve open is correct but there might be a very short time for the wastewater valve to open. It is possible to open against water flow because the weight of the valve is causing the valve to go down and water flows around it. Ram effect is a very important subject in mechanical engineering. You can make a google search to read about it. German V-I flying bomb worked with this effect. In old houses when you close the sink water flow valve very suddenly you can here loud noisy from water pipe. Therere are motorcycles and jets using this effect. The proposed ram jets of future jets might fly 5 or 20 times of the Mach number. When inlet to ram jets is wide and it gradually gets narrower. In coming air is compressed by nerrowing duct. Regular jets we use today uses turbines to power the compressors. A big portion of fuel is consumed in this process. When we use ram jets there is no need for turbine and compressor. However one big drawback of ramjets is that, for the ram effect to work jet olredy should high velocity. For this reason, we might see ramjets in far future. However, missiles releaced from jet fighters might use ramjets and travel much faster than missiles we use today.
@@seyhanersoy8989 i couldnt understand it from google's word and picture based explanation, i had to go through tens of youtube videos. the one of the videos briefly said changing kinetic energy drives it, another video said the waste valve is made of a heavy object, another video said the air chamber acts like a spring, another video said the water in the delivery valve acts like a seige weapon ram. now i am reading about ramjet you mentioned as to how it works. a lot of gravity pump vidoes directed me to clickbait videos, when i didnt know what the difference between a gravity pump and a ram pump was. thanks for your reply.
This is absolutely fascinating, it makes perfect sense now. I was always wondering how this worked. I might try building a tiny model and experimenting with it sometime. :D Sound and movement coming from pipes when the water is suddenly turned off is definitely something I'v seen. In our basement a small pipe, a 3/4 inch or less in diameter and quite long, bounces a few inches occasionally.
+theLuigiFan0007 Thank you for your visit and nice comment about my video. When you build a smaller version and post it, please let me know. I want to see how it works. I guess you like birds, your owl background in your computer is very nice. Look at my video how birds fly, you may like it. th-cam.com/video/1kztP_XTEPk/w-d-xo.html
mekanizmalar Ah, yes that wallpaper. Got quite a few nature wallpapers, of which at least 1/4 of them have pictures of various birds like Owls, Robins, Eagles, etc. I do have a bit of an interest in birds as I like to watch them and take pictures of them occasionally. Right now there's a robin nest in the side of a bush a few feet from the windows and you get a perfect view of it. Wonder if a bluebird will find the house I put up on near a pine tree in the yard or not. :O Thanks for the link. I will watch it. :D
heres where i simply dont understand ram pumps. the pressure at the release valve should be 1atm + ft of head. the only pressure to open the valve is 1 atm plus the contribution of the weight of the valve which i assume is negligible. Thus the release valve should always be shut. Yet clearly the valve turns on and off. What am i missing?
These pumps are typically not self-starting. The waste valve is opened to start water moving through that port, when released, the waste valve slams shut and the water rebounds from the closed value putting pressure on the accumulator valve which opens and admits water into the accumulator chamber, this causes a momentary decrease in pressure (at the waste valve) as water rushes into the accumulation chamber. The accumulation valve then slams shut as pressure increases in the accumulation chamber but the waste value has now opened and water is rushing down from the source which causes the cycle to restart.
OK you need to talk about the snifter valve,this makes it maintenance free. You need a good self cleaning inlet filter a bit of door mesh don't cut it.
Best explanation so far. Need to add sniffer valve before air tank. Because after some times the air in the tank disolves in to water and tank get fill with water. Then hammer banging starts.
I wonder if one could hook this up to one of those water generators to produce electricity.. you could run the water in a loop so it reuses the same water to keep spinning the wheel and keep your batteries charged. Of course theres that bit of water that sprays out so you have to replenish the water eventually.
It is not possible to do that. You have to discharge the water in lower level than it enter to the system. You can still use this water to generate electricity as long as you discharge the water elevation further. You can do this process up to the point where discharge water to the sea level. Thanks got we have sun, which makes water to evaporate and it falls on earth as a rain and cycle continues.
Thank you for your visit. I know difference between potential energy. If there is no potential difference between a system between inlet and outlet water, gas or steam it is not possible to create kinetic energy in that system.
+Richie Mann This subject is not as easy to explain. I will try my best to explain it. When water coming from the inlet pipe, the potential energy is converted to kinetic energy while the flow is flowing toward the waste valve. In one point increased flow speed will cause waste valve to close due to Venturi effect. Since water in the inlet pipe has forward momentum, closing the waste valve will cause pressure to increase tremendously. This pressure increase will open the delivery pipe and send the water to higher elevation. But at some point the bouncing pressure wave will cause the pressure drop (expansion wave) around the waste valve. This will cause the delivery valve to close and the waste valve to open at the same time. Please look at pressure fluctuation in the ram pump in the following URL. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_hammer. Remember, this is dynamic system and expansion and compression waves mowing back and forth in the pipes. The ram pump is very simple device, but theory behind it is some what complex, as you can see it in the link I provided.
I would think the most efficient design would have the pressure reservoir in line with the force of the water column's flow. instead of perpendicular to it. (e.g. swap the waste and delivery valve locations in the graphic.)
Yeah, I was thinking the same. Maybe you would solve the whole issue of valve placement by adding another forward-flow-only-valve even before the delivery valve. That way, it feels more like trapping pressure, rather than momentum. Does that make sense?
Thank yo for visiting my channel and your comment. However I like proper comments even comment disagree with my view. Therefore I will call you as UltraStoat. Dear UltroStoat you can not have a flow if water does not have a potential energy first. Tell me one application where there is a flow but not a potential difference. You have to convert potential energy to kinetic energy and then convert that kinetic energy to mechanical energy.
@Mike Holloway Nope. That's not how that works. The ram pump has to be located BELOW the elevation of the main source of water to allow gravity to work in the ram pump.
freaking awesome you got Stephen Hawking to narrate this video.
Funny, Bill. You notice how "he" pronounced "joules" like "jowls". Hawking is slipping in his old age. :)
It is funny, one can't see the forest for the trees.
One thing I learned when trying to do the text to speech is you have to test words to see how they'll sound and spell them so that they're pronounced correctly, like leeters instead of liters. Plus, it says litters for liters which doesn't make sense anyway.
Jarod Morris I'd say the reader needs to be fixed.
Jarod Morris .
I have used one of these pumps. They are amazing. They pump water 24/7 and use no electrical power. The flow is not great but over a 24 hour period there is a substantial volume .
+Ken Johnson Thank you for visiting my channel and informative comment.
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@@mekanizmalar does your outlet water stay under pressure, and how much? or does this just go to an open tub with an overflow?
Thanks and great video explanation!
@@carlbole2142 Outlet water continues down hill.
@@carlbole2142 You can store pumped water in water tower - so when it is needed, you have pressure.
I already knew how. Now I know why. Many thanks.
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Between the animation and narration, you've made it crystal clear. Thx a ton. Subscribed.
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Can you compute the physics of the Giza Pyramid as a Ram pump? You have water going down the descending passage, a valve shoots the water to the ascending passage and gallery. The pressure tank at the relief chambers, the output at queen’s chambers and kings chambers shafts for restarting and stopping actions through those arcs at those two copper electrodes
YT Channel: "Steven Myers". Video Series 2. Video 3. Introduction To The Construction Pump.
The Great Pyramid was not a Ram Pump because it does not have a necessary cycling water vent in the subterranean chamber. He then goes on to describe how it was used as a pump, but not a Ram pump.
По видео очень понятно показали принцип работы, спасибо вам большое.
I would assert that the primary mechanism of the ram pump is conversion of kinetic energy rather than potential energy. Yes you need your reservoir to be above the pump (potential energy), but the key to the pump's operation is that the intake water must have some velocity so that when the waste valve closes the momentum of that mass of water forces the water along a different path even against some resistance, namely into the accumulator tank and ultimately through the outlet and uphill. If the inlet water flows too slowly it won't force itself into the tank, which means you need to tune the size and tension of the waste valve to allow the water to get up some speed before it forces the waste valve closed.
Intake water velocity is produced by converting the potential energy into kinetic energy. If the height difference between waste valve and reservoir surface is h. The water velocity will be sqrt(9,81*h) meter per second. Higher the h the faster the water will flow in the inlet pipe.
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daemn42 I agree. (Dr.) Bose my have some good insight to fluid compression dynamics.
Momentum is the key word for my understanding. The water starts moving in the pipe and emptying out the waste valve. The valve slams shut. That momentum of the moving water pushes water up into the pressure tank. The cycle starts again.
reminds me of the kings chamber.giza pyramid.
You are jenious.
Whites stole this technology from the blacks flying pyramids after they stole them
@@fuhkhue1492 smoke more weed youll see flying black pyramids but first try to advance from cow dung houses.
Wouldn't ensure potable water. But pretty cool usage of water hammer phenomena. Never considered that.
this would be a really neat project to do at my family's cabin as it does not have flowing water and its a pain to tread down the rocky terrain to get said water
Thank you your visit and comment. As I said video, if the location right, this is excellent solution.
Thank you very much this enhance my knowledge about the rampumps
Well done Mr. Robot! Thanks for the video.
Very clearly explained - Thank you.... (though personally I think I'd like to experiment with a weighted piston system that has a resistance weight sufficient only to close the waste valve, plus perhaps a non-linear-load-spring of some sort; with a view to better exploiting the waters velocity. plus perhaps an inline; non-return valve near the base of the uphill delivery pipe = makes-ya'-thunk :) ) Again Thank-You :) John
Thank you for your visit and nice comment.
Spot on video, but horrible computer voice. And for EVERY SINGLE VIDEO with computer voice here on TH-cam, I can only press the THUMBS DOWN button.
Human beings need to understand that human communication is the key.
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What a great xplanation 👌🏻👌🏻
Thank you.
Thank you. This video is useful
If Tickle can figure it out you can too.
I wonder, would the same shut down valve do anything being installed close to the big chamber on the inlet tube?
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Why not simply use the water pressure from the bottom of a water storage unit (like a lake, pond, or water tank? No waste water, at the price of needing a small pump to kickstart the siphoning. Also, no need for a more than one valve, to keep the water inside the tube even if the pumping stops.
Thank you for your visit to my channel and your comment. If you pump water below your pond level by siphoning than what you describe should work. In this technique you can go over the hill seven meter above the pond surface. After than seven meter your pipe should go downhill and exit of the pipe should be below pond surface level. With your technique you can not pump water one meter above the pond surface. It is impossible. Also thinking the waste water of a Ram pump as a waste is wrong. It should be called discharged water, it is necessary constrain the nature put on. Higher the discharged water rate, higher the water is pumped. Much higher than 7 meter I mentioned previously. When a dam produces electricity, you discharge the water, you can not use that water for irrigation fields which is above the dam discharge pipe level. Therefore you can consider it as waste water.
Actually, what I described is the principle behind water streams surfacing from the ground. The water pressure in the ocean is enough to push water through multiple layers of soil that filter it, and the water emerges from multiple points, leading to the creation of rivers.
One way to check this is to check the pressure of something at a certain altitude outside the pond and the same altitude inside the pond, and you shall see that the pressure is greater underwater. By having a rigid shell (pipe) to house the water going out, you ensure that water does not press on the water inside from the outside in any other way than from the opening in the pipe (which is on the bottom of the pond).
Having the bottom opening closed and no air inside the pipe would cause a water-hammer effect, which might start the siphoning. In the case the intended height is longer than what the water hammer can achieve, or the pipe already has water in it, using a pump (like a crank pump) to start the siphon will produce the same result.
Well, the further in elevation you want to go, the smaller the volume of water that can be sent there in the same unit of time. For example, you might use a 1 cm pipe for 100m in elevation or 10cm pipe for 10m in elevation, and the example is arbitrary and there are other variables which might made the example invalid.
Think of it this way: if you use a 5 cm pipe to have the water get down 20 meters, than a 1 cm pipe to have the water go up 30 meters, the water hammer would kickstart a siphoning, and even if not, the pressure caused by the water on the bottom of those 20 meters might be enough to push the water 30 meters. However, if the water hammer doesn't make it, then you will need a pump at the end of the 1cm pipe and one tap leading to the pump and one valve to let water out of the system when the pump is off and not let air or water into the system when the pump is on. That way, you can more easily kickstart the system. Or you could have two valves at the bottom of those 20 meters, one to stop water from going up, and another one for emptying the 30 meters pipe, so that after it's emptied, when you let the water get back up again, the water hammer will kickstart the system, but you would have to walk down to restart the system, instead of just powering a pump.
Can you prove ur concept?
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what is the purpose of alteration in inlet pipe diameter to a bigger diameter?
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This would work where irrigation was needed both low and high from a constant water supply.
Such as the Nile delta flood plains Egypt
The great pyramid is one of these pumps
Hi sir have a good day my question is how about the water source from ground 4M deep ,
it would be easy for you to put Greek subtitles
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Can this principal use a small pump ( in a existing pond)and send water up further than the the pump''s head height
and what size to send water 4mtrs hgh
What if i build bundwall of rocks across the creek to elevate the water level to at least a meter high and install my rampump below the bundwall, but inside the creek to avoid wasting thr water?
Was giving this some thought. You can't impede the flow out of the waste valve. But if like in the diagram you dug a hole below the creek level you could mount the pump in the hole. Then use a separate water wheel pump to put the waste water back into the creek. Flowing water has it's own energy the water energy going to the ram pump is already being used but there is plenty of other water with potential energy that can be used.
Ain't gonna work, PP. Better: make a weir in your bundwall--a "V" cut, top center, that ALL the water has to pass through. Channel all the water possible into a pipe, affixed to the weir, and extending further downstream (5-7meters) to your pump inflow opening. The greater the flow and fall, the better your pump's resulting volume of water pumped. (And the greater the head/ feet it will be able to overcome.)
As long as u r pump the realse value water into few trucks nothing getting lost u can't simplely truck back into storage tanks, oer hve as ememgency water to go to fire w/. Huge volume of water used will quickly empty out water storage trucks, at fire. Or any where rual water lines not run to. Nearest lake can b used to store moved water tank trucks if not worth saving in truck or taking back to source. If each fire house had 2 water storage 7500 gal trucks any fire would hve meet it's match. At fire u can hve a fire house going for each water tank truck & hydrant to finish job. If 2 fire houses w/2 trucks each & 2 fire trucks show, u r talking 8 hoses going 2 per firetruck & 1 per water truck. 3 alarm 2 more water trucks & 2 more lines from firetruck.
Thank you for your long explanation. However, I have some comments. Collecting water downstream and transporting it upstream with a truck not energy efficient. You will spend money on gas; it is not free energy anymore. However, you can use the collected water for irrigation or use a small water turbine to generate electricity. If the water amount is not enough to run the turbine, you can run it for 12, 6, or 3 hours depending on the amount of water accumulated. However, all those extra work costs you some money. You are better off staying with a simple design.
very useful, thank you!!
+Patrick alo Thank you for your nice comment and encouragement.
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I understand that this is be far a better way to pump water from a lower moving water source to any where higher but the waist water is more than am happy with, can you route the water back into water source . meaning if you did this from a water tank???????????????
in short, no.
I was meaning that water can be pumped to a higher place without power appose to a pump that uses power to do the same
YES you can
yes you can but its a little more complicated
you have to have another tank over the discard valve or a HIGHER PIPE over it with an open tank at top as high or hihger than the inflow area uphill.. to contain the water pressure from this height..it takes a few tests to figure this height..
this water REVERSES back into the pressure tank going up hill and contains the water..so simple ..people are silly
Why you not using Wantus System to Westing Water If using Air to Pumping Water High up Wantus do at Work Wantus is Same Pump System pipe on using 60 years ...
is there a ram pump that does excrete water? i mean yes it pumps water w/o electricity or fuel but it doesent pump the water out efficiently. some water gets wasted in the process.
+jaybs 25 Thank you for visiting my channel and your comment. Actually efficiency of this turbine is not as bad as it seams. I tried to explain this in the video. Let assume that this simple system working with 30 percent efficiency. Would you use 90 percent efficient electric pump to do pumping. It would be relatively expensive, would need electricity and monthly electric bill just for pumping the water. I would go with 30 percent efficiency without paying any bill.
Ok, thanks. 😊
ram is great
Interesting device, how would one regulate the valves for optimum function?
marcibb I am hoping that someone more knowledgeable in the subject can answer this much better than I do. It is a difficult question to answer.I believe that when the system is designed there is NOT much control for someone to control it. I could be wrong, so lets wait someone more knowledgeable in the subject to pitch in. However for an optimum efficiency you may be able to design the ram pump by taking into consideration following properties. What is the volumetric rate of the water coming from supply side? What is the water head of the supply side? And finally what is the height of the storage thank with respect to the pump where we are going to pump water? Design should take those consideration for optimum ram pump for a given location. I think this is not exact answer you are looking for, but this is the best I can come up with.
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Does the waste valve have to release back to the earth? Can I divert it to another area?
What do you mean by another area? If you want to connect it to a pond where its elevation below the waste water level, yes you can. If there is another drop in the elevation, you could use another ram pump.
Yeah maybe to another pond or maybe like a flower bed. I just seems like water waste is a lot more than what the output is from the release pipe.
does this work for pumping up water from a well? or is this only viable for flowing streams?
Yes, this only works in places where there is elevation difference between source of the water and its destination. It will definitely not work for a well.
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i liked the video but hated the narration.
same. turned it off after 48 seconds
I have learned to love it. It narrates most of my audio books, which I converted from text to audio with Speak Computers software.
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It makes you fall asleep, listening to that boring robot voice.
Thank you for your visit. I am sorry that the robotic voices was so bad when I did this video. Now, Amazon and Google has almost human like voices and I begin to use Amozon.
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I don't get it. are those two valves anti back flow valves? then how can the waste valve open up and let the water out the wrong way?
Thank you for your visit and comment. Weight of the check valve pulling the valve downward. At the same time ram pressure pushes the valve to closed position. During this time the other check-valve (you call it anti back flow valve) is open and water begin to flow to the higher elevation. However the system is dynamic. Compression wave closing the waste valve is followed by an expansion wave which reduces pressure substantially and the waste valve opens. The water flowing around the valve reduces the pressure which causes the waste valve to close and cycle repeat itself.
why is the waste valve needed at all? can you just have the water enter the chamber, build to a high presser, close the anti back-flow valve and go to the outlet? then when the pressure is low again, the anti back-flow valve opens and the cycle repeats? I'm finding it hard to understand the role of the waste valve. thanks for the animation.
If I did not misunderstand what you are saying is that water magically flows from low level reservoir to high level reservoir, without discharging any water. If my understanding was correct, it is impossible thing to do. You cannot make a system that pump water from low elevation to high elevation without using an external power source.. That is why we use pumps to pump water to higher elevations. For the ram pump, the external power source is the potential energy of the waste water we discharge. If there is no discharge, there will be no water pumping.
I didn't understand why the left most valve ( in the above video) was needed. now i can see that it creates the inertia of the water needed to push the right most valve. before i thought you could simply have just the right valve and the water prussure from the resevoir alone.
So if you don't have a higher-than-the-pump water source then this pumping system is useless?? great! All I would need after building the pump is to build a river or pump water into a high tank first in order to be able to use this pump ,Genius! lol
Dear Dario, One way another we are doing this anyway. When we pump water to high ground we use electricity, which comes from a dam, coal power plant or a nuclear power plant. As I mentioned in the video, if location is right this is the best solution to pump water whithout using any external power. It is really genius idea who ever thought it the first time was realy genius. Rather than making fun of him whe should take or hat and bow in front of him. You can rearly see such an environment friendly invantion.
why waste some of the water and not just re-route it back into the tank or something?
It is impossible to recover wastewater. Think about a water turbine operation in a dam. Can you recover water from the turbine exit? It would be against the conservation of energy principle, and you can't do it.
@@seyhanersoy8989 well you could atleast collect it in a bucket to use for something else instead of wasting it into the evironment.
@@BigCroca Yes, you could do it if you don't mind carrying buckets of water uphill 24 hours a day. The reason you use this pump is to pump water uphill; if you collect wastewater, you can water a garden a little bit less altitude than wastewater, not higher than the water level.
@@seyhanersoy8989 i know it wont be higher elevation but you could collect it into a small pond or something still
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An old British invention :) Explantion is not as good as could be
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I preferred the computerized voice narration
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you can do it yourself ,just go to inplix page and learn how to make it.
This is pretty much how boost converters work as well. It is amazing how similar the seemingly different fields of physics are!
How many meters can it pump to in elevation. I have a tribe i need to get water from the lake below to 500 meters straight up a mountain.
www.erlebnis-waldkultur-arnsberg.de/sites/default/files/widder-bauanleitung.pdf
SkillsFor Christ im guessing you cold make intermediary ponds along the way and have a series of pumps. 500m seems a long way. Just my thought, ive never actually made one.
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please could you upload it with English i liked that pdf
You could use the high pressure from the bottom of the lake, to pump water upstream, but the higher you want to go, the deeper the intake has to be and the smaller the volume of water that can be moved. Also, a valve might be needed to keep the water from going back down if the pumping stops, and a pump (like a crank pump) might be needed to start and re-start the pumping.
Note that you could use a solar collector-concentrator line (or lines) connected to a stirling engine to power a water pump, but the engine would need to use 2 small pumps for moving that heat from the pipes to the hot intake of the stirling engine, and cooling the cold part of the stirling engine. Excess heat can be stored in a rammed-earth structure (dirt + 5% cement and 5-10% water, packed down really well) with curved tubes for transferring heat. Also, another stirling engine (with it's own 2 small pumps) can be used to either cool down or heat up something (like for cooking or refrigerating/freezing food).
Dear Sir, please let me know about diameter of input pipe and output of pipe. And diameter of big tube for compression water. Thank you
Just compute the ratio
of course, water, once flowing has kinetic energy. water, even at 10,000 meters will be useless in operating a ram pump unless it starts falling.
+Ye Olde Salt I don't understand your comment. Everyone knows that you need flowing water to generate electricity. But some people don't know about conservation of energy. You can't generate more energy from flowing water than its initial potential energy. Efficiency of your turbine will be measured as ratio of the generated energy versus the initial potential energy of the water.
potential energy can be infinite but no work will be done unless it turns kinetic. the point is that you should not have used the term "potential energy" at all. the correct term is "kinetic energy". Work = Force X Distance. No flow, no distance, hence no work.
+Ye Olde Salt I am sorry to say to you that your Work formula is completely wrong. Please correct the formula you write, before commenting how I use Potential energy description in my animation.
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Shouldn't the incoming pipe be larger than the outgoing since the output trades pressure for flow?
Is there a formula on how to calculate the size of the ram pump relative to the height and length of where the water is needed?
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So it's ok when Stephen Hawking does it? 😄
I feel violated lol
If you close the one vent, does the other vent flow water then?
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what i should do with waste water? I have a problem with it😅😅😅
We can put one small pump wheel inside Ram pump so pressure may increase ..
cant you just put the waste water into the pump again with a tube or something
no go from here and researc the great pyramid water pump theory. it doesnt include aliens but its pretty crazy as well however more believable. one of my favorites.
Something that may be helpful is to show water direction I am still not clear what direction the water is flowing ?the explanation was good
This is very good video show and thank you are share with us!
Thank you for your nice comment.
Thanks for a great learning lesson and the facts of a water ram pump works. Great video!
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Hi Skip, thank you for your nice comment and supporting comment.
The outlet can be discharged in an overhead storage tank to maintain pressure for household taps
How?
@@cemasti4524 you just put a tank in the pipe outlet to gather it and the pressure will increase the higher the water level in the tank is
the graphic is good however the airspace in the accumulator should a different colour to that of water.
Hard for me to understand the animation !!! Water source on the right side (large blue reservoir ? and the water is meant to be pumped uphill thry the red pipe on the left ? Please confirm.
Yes, it is exactly as you said. The large blue pipe on the right has intermittent water flow. When wastewater flows out, the pressure in the pipe reduces. This caused the wastewater valve to close. And flow coming from large blue pipe has some velocity but nowhere to go. This creates very high pressure close to the flowing feed valve to open and pumps water to an elevated level.
This is so fascinating. I imagine the water being pumped uphill can be stored in a water tower, that way buildings nearby could receive that water via gravity?
Thank you for your comment and visit to my channel. Yes, what you said can be done, as long as you find a suitable site for that.
Good day,what is the meaning of RAM,is it an abbreviation of what?what mechanism is that the water goes outside the chambers,and lastly,the valves are in alternating sequence,like e.g. when one open,the other close and vice versa but not the same time close or open?thanks for you response.which determine if the accumulator valve to open and close also the diffuser valve to open and clise?
As you know RAM is a male sheep. During courtship, ram fights by banging theirs had to each other. Also during fortress sieges the gate of the fortress bang with a heavy log which is called ram. In the ram pump, the ramming is done by water. If water flows from a large pipe with high velocity, when water flow is suddenly interrupted this creates a lot of pressure inside the pipe, like a large log hitting a fortress gate. This event happens when the waste valve is closed. This high pressure is relieved by opening a water feeder valve which pumps water to the high ground. Eventually, this reduces pressure and the waste valve opens and at the same time the other valve closes, and the cycle is repeated.
when you shut the delivery valve, does the waste valve always open? how can the waste valve be opened in the direction opposite to the direction of the water flow?
where does ram pump get its name? slam pump or goat pump? what does it ram?
Your statement about delivery valve shut and waste valve open is correct but there might be a very short time for the wastewater valve to open. It is possible to open against water flow because the weight of the valve is causing the valve to go down and water flows around it. Ram effect is a very important subject in mechanical engineering. You can make a google search to read about it. German V-I flying bomb worked with this effect. In old houses when you close the sink water flow valve very suddenly you can here loud noisy from water pipe. Therere are motorcycles and jets using this effect. The proposed ram jets of future jets might fly 5 or 20 times of the Mach number. When inlet to ram jets is wide and it gradually gets narrower. In coming air is compressed by nerrowing duct. Regular jets we use today uses turbines to power the compressors. A big portion of fuel is consumed in this process. When we use ram jets there is no need for turbine and compressor. However one big drawback of ramjets is that, for the ram effect to work jet olredy should high velocity. For this reason, we might see ramjets in far future. However, missiles releaced from jet fighters might use ramjets and travel much faster than missiles we use today.
@@seyhanersoy8989 i couldnt understand it from google's word and picture based explanation, i had to go through tens of youtube videos. the one of the videos briefly said changing kinetic energy drives it, another video said the waste valve is made of a heavy object, another video said the air chamber acts like a spring, another video said the water in the delivery valve acts like a seige weapon ram. now i am reading about ramjet you mentioned as to how it works. a lot of gravity pump vidoes directed me to clickbait videos, when i didnt know what the difference between a gravity pump and a ram pump was. thanks for your reply.
Great expalnanation, the rovot voice sucks, thumns down for that
I prefer this robot voice: the human audio on the other link is shrill and echoey
This is absolutely fascinating, it makes perfect sense now. I was always wondering how this worked.
I might try building a tiny model and experimenting with it sometime. :D
Sound and movement coming from pipes when the water is suddenly turned off is definitely something I'v seen.
In our basement a small pipe, a 3/4 inch or less in diameter and quite long, bounces a few inches occasionally.
+theLuigiFan0007 Thank you for your visit and nice comment about my video. When you build a smaller version and post it, please let me know. I want to see how it works.
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Ah, yes that wallpaper. Got quite a few nature wallpapers, of which at least 1/4 of them have pictures of various birds like Owls, Robins, Eagles, etc. I do have a bit of an interest in birds as I like to watch them and take pictures of them occasionally. Right now there's a robin nest in the side of a bush a few feet from the windows and you get a perfect view of it. Wonder if a bluebird will find the house I put up on near a pine tree in the yard or not. :O
Thanks for the link. I will watch it. :D
Is it possible that only the current of a river to make a rampump operate?
heres where i simply dont understand ram pumps. the pressure at the release valve should be 1atm + ft of head. the only pressure to open the valve is 1 atm plus the contribution of the weight of the valve which i assume is negligible. Thus the release valve should always be shut. Yet clearly the valve turns on and off. What am i missing?
These pumps are typically not self-starting. The waste valve is opened to start water moving through that port, when released, the waste valve slams shut and the water rebounds from the closed value putting pressure on the accumulator valve which opens and admits water into the accumulator chamber, this causes a momentary decrease in pressure (at the waste valve) as water rushes into the accumulation chamber. The accumulation valve then slams shut as pressure increases in the accumulation chamber but the waste value has now opened and water is rushing down from the source which causes the cycle to restart.
OK you need to talk about the snifter valve,this makes it maintenance free.
You need a good self cleaning inlet filter a bit of door mesh don't cut it.
HOLY! just like a DC step up converter
It is not possible to pumping underground water and open well water
Any idea about wasting water is it worthy to waste all these quantity
Best explanation so far.
Need to add sniffer valve before air tank. Because after some times the air in the tank disolves in to water and tank get fill with water. Then hammer banging starts.
Thank you for your comment, which contributed something new to my knowledge about ram pumps.
I would like to know how important the waste valve function is and how to optimize it and different kinds of valves. This can't be unimportant.
Watch "land to house" or practical engineering videos, they explain it well.
I wonder if one could hook this up to one of those water generators to produce electricity.. you could run the water in a loop so it reuses the same water to keep spinning the wheel and keep your batteries charged. Of course theres that bit of water that sprays out so you have to replenish the water eventually.
It is not possible to do that. You have to discharge the water in lower level than it enter to the system. You can still use this water to generate electricity as long as you discharge the water elevation further. You can do this process up to the point where discharge water to the sea level. Thanks got we have sun, which makes water to evaporate and it falls on earth as a rain and cycle continues.
Ram Pump use the kinetic energy of moving water, not the potential energy.
So the video is total nonsense.
Thank you for your visit. I know difference between potential energy. If there is no potential difference between a system between inlet and outlet water, gas or steam it is not possible to create kinetic energy in that system.
What makes the waste valve open? Pressure from the inlet tube would seem to keep it closed, unless you temporarily close the inlet?
+Richie Mann This subject is not as easy to explain. I will try my best to explain it. When water coming from the inlet pipe, the potential energy is converted to kinetic energy while the flow is flowing toward the waste valve. In one point increased flow speed will cause waste valve to close due to Venturi effect. Since water in the inlet pipe has forward momentum, closing the waste valve will cause pressure to increase tremendously. This pressure increase will open the delivery pipe and send the water to higher elevation. But at some point the bouncing pressure wave will cause the pressure drop (expansion wave) around the waste valve. This will cause the delivery valve to close and the waste valve to open at the same time. Please look at pressure fluctuation in the ram pump in the following URL. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_hammer. Remember, this is dynamic system and expansion and compression waves mowing back and forth in the pipes. The ram pump is very simple device, but theory behind it is some what complex, as you can see it in the link I provided.
I would think the most efficient design would have the pressure reservoir in line with the force of the water column's flow. instead of perpendicular to it. (e.g. swap the waste and delivery valve locations in the graphic.)
Yeah, I was thinking the same. Maybe you would solve the whole issue of valve placement by adding another forward-flow-only-valve even before the delivery valve. That way, it feels more like trapping pressure, rather than momentum. Does that make sense?
This guy got it wrong. It’s the kinetic energy of the moving water that makes this work, not static potential energy
Thank yo for visiting my channel and your comment. However I like proper comments even comment disagree with my view. Therefore I will call you as UltraStoat. Dear UltroStoat you can not have a flow if water does not have a potential energy first. Tell me one application where there is a flow but not a potential difference. You have to convert potential energy to kinetic energy and then convert that kinetic energy to mechanical energy.
How does one know how large the volume of the accumulator needs to be?
another non return vale at out put may be useful to arrest the back flow
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So impressive and useful. Many thanks.
A gargantuan ram pump beside an ocean or lake can provide enough energy to drive the electric needs with zero carbon emissions.
@Mike Holloway Nope. That's not how that works. The ram pump has to be located BELOW the elevation of the main source of water to allow gravity to work in the ram pump.