Not always true. Giving people already in the investment non-investor funds as a kickback for getting new investors to invest isn't classified a ponzi scheme...but the SEC is gonna start peeking over your shoulder to make sure your non-investor funds are coming from legitimate (loans, funds already set aside, etc.) sources and whatever else they do to regulate. But Ice isn't that rich, nor smart...
@@MaskOfAgamemnon You're absolutely right but in The Prince by Machiavelli he notes 3 kinds of brains, 3 scales of Intelligence, and 3 capacities of mankind. I'm not talking to people like you who have eyes to see and ears to hear. This is why I quoted a more simply understood misquote from da Vinci..
step 1: Make a company step 2: You have no idea what kind of company you just made step 3: You can't explain what the campaign does step 4: Try to lure investors in a company that does something but unexplainable step 5: Sell the company step 6: Profit!
Believe it or not, this is not the first time I've heard this nonsense. I have my own business and people have actually come up to me and tried to get me to pay them money for an "idea" they had. When did people get it into their heads that "ideas" have a monetary value? Everyone has ideas, even my 3 year old niece has them, does that mean she must be a millionaire? YOUR IDEAS ARE WROTHLESS UNTIL YOU CAN PUT THEM INTO PRACTICE, and that's the hard part. Once your idea becomes reality and people are willing to pay for it, then, AND ONLY THEN does it have value. These people have delusions of grandeur. "Investors" will never agree to pay cold hard cash for "IDEAS". Just typing this makes me mad, it's so stupid and the guy spewing this crap thinks he's a business genius. It's clear that he's never had his own business before and that he's detached from reality.
@monsieur burger king Thats up to you?? I dont watch steams, so twitch is useless to me. But some autists spent 10 hours a day there spamming emojis no one will ever see or care about.
TheSPACECOWBOY33 thats the moment o realize i have wasted my life doing the wrong shit... imma chop my balls, get some fake tits and boom, ill become a thot!
So much ponzie comments, but no one comments on Papa Gundam's stage performance. WTF?! Gundam, my friend, you're an awesome trap, with singing talents to boot. Keep it up. PS. I know it's a ronin outfit.
Dealing is either retail or wholesale depending on your level. Plus it is B2B accountmanagement as you do need to buy from and sell to other businesses
or his crew gonna fight each other for the cringe fuck "community" they built but bet ice don't even want them any more after all the times they called the cops & swatted him some "fans"
So that guy just described what is called Bridge Capitalisation. Which typically is used in pyramid/ponzi schemes. If the "investors" on one side of the bridge whom have invested in this guys idea decide they want their investment back, the "company" will just destroy the bridge and walk away.
yeah we need to bring back gladiator fights real weapons, real blood. Have prisoners fight win 100 matches and your free(not really). I'm not a rich man but I'll invest in that.
well that was the main premise of that movie. the mad doctor was creating humanoids out of animals in an attempt to create a life form that was near identical in appearance to humans without being true humans. like synths from fallout only made from hybrid animal/human dna. that movie turned me into a furry... lol.
@@draykowolf2293 im an old cunt and ive never come across anything as exotic as a furry. im sure there is australian furrys but not around here. im just picturing in my head a kangaroo furry. ive hunted with sighthounds for a large proportion of my life. and i was just wodering what your thoughts are on hunting dogs? because it is pretty good getting out there and feeling the oneness of the pack when your all hunting together.
@@dawnofthewalkers4915 Obviously you're not a grammar nazi. Your first sentence wasn't even complete. You're also gay for pointing out that there is something in the title that may or may not have been a mistake.
YOO! That clip of rocking gundam officially made him my favorite channel on here. Music, art, TH-cam, and he's actually funny. Versatility! It happen when you actually have to work for something. Thank you gundam, thank You!
Technically any company (if it was paid out of pocket) won't make back the money it invested within the first year. Very rare occasions are there ever a company that can come close. Essentially it's First Year Revenue - Cost of Start Up = Net Loss or Net Gain.
I got nothing against these thots. Sure the situation is frustrating when you see what they’re getting away with but I got nothing against seeing some T n’ A, but i think twitch is biting itself in the ass by not putting up some sort of over 18 pay wall or something. Because the day is coming when the parents are gonna freak out when they find out that their 13 year old has been using their credit card to pay some stripper
It is not a ponzi scheme? Well using that same logic I guess Bernie Madoff was not doing illegal stuff. Or Souja boy not selling illegal Chinese consoles. Or twitch thots not doing sexual acts and calling it art. Bullshit if that is not a ponzi scheme I don't know what is.
Gundam.....I had to fast forward past that twitch thot destroying the guitar! Wtf were u thinking Gundam......please don't make me suffer thru that again lol
I think ice Poseidon ment to say people invest into creating the site then once he gets adds up and working he then pays off the investors with the add money like a loan but with no interest
The idea is to start with a small amount of investor money, grow the site, and then take on more investors based on the growth. Some of the early investors will be bought out from later investors. This is exactly how Uber got to its size. A ponzi scheme which basically be counting the investments as revenue so it looks like there is a growing company, when actually there is nothing. In this case, the initial investment seems to be in the form of covertible debt. That is debt which can be converted to shares.
From subs around 50% from bits it's up front when buying you pay the extra from 100%-32% where the efficient being 331€ to 250$ of donations to streamer...
@@rallyfeind But then you have to justify why you took out 500 dollars from your account last Saturday to your wife or girlfriend. Instead of just "well fuck, freeze the card and I'll call the bank. Someone has my information."
I disagree. Most of these girls would not go into porn, or any other adult industry. They wouldn't. They'd just be one man gold diggers and trophy wives. some of them, maybe many of them certainly - would do other things. But in the end.... Most of the twitch thots - without twitch - would just be trophy wives. Arguing with the other would be thots about who had the better house, better shoes, and who's kids were more likely not to be utter disappointments.
well, they clearly can't find employment where it counts on the streets. all they have is their looks. i can't stand gundam at times, because he's right! i get into crowbar fights with simps over this issue, and my skull is seasoned and much harder as a result of healed fractures....
if gundam had a ponzi scheme i would invest
Don't even think that's a Ponzi scheme at this point. You know he'll deliver or return the money if he's in over his head.
I'd buy that for a dollar!
It's like a Ponzi scheme but at the same time it isn't
for real! me too! go papa Gundam!
Best Chuchi Scheme ever!
As soon as someone says "its not a ponzi scheme." Its a ponzi scheme.
No. It's a REVERSE FUNNEL! How many times do I have to explain this!
@@Jdpanzone explain it again tho. Cause there is no explanation here
It's a ponzi Scheme?
Not always true. Giving people already in the investment non-investor funds as a kickback for getting new investors to invest isn't classified a ponzi scheme...but the SEC is gonna start peeking over your shoulder to make sure your non-investor funds are coming from legitimate (loans, funds already set aside, etc.) sources and whatever else they do to regulate.
But Ice isn't that rich, nor smart...
@@Jdpanzone they should call you James Ponzoni..
.. i really need to go to sleep
"No no it's not a ponzi scheme, here let me explain it again"
(explains a ponzi scheme again)
“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” -Leonardo da Vinci
Actually that's a Machiavelli quote.
@@MaskOfAgamemnon You're absolutely right but in The Prince by Machiavelli he notes 3 kinds of brains, 3 scales of Intelligence, and 3 capacities of mankind. I'm not talking to people like you who have eyes to see and ears to hear. This is why I quoted a more simply understood misquote from da Vinci..
@@Bigghewi yaaaay, do I get a cookie?
@@MaskOfAgamemnon I just gave you 2. Papa Gundam where's that Rodney Dangerfield clip..
Ok, one minute into the video, and he just described exactly how a Ponzi scheme works.
He just described the most basic definition of a ponzi scheme. It’s like he’s literally reading off the definition of Ponzi scheme off of Wikipedia.
Bro Ice doesn’t even shower let alone make his own bed.
if he is just streaming.. why should he ? nobody except him is gonna smell it , and he will get use to the smell haha
Because he's too busy doing meth to clean up after himself.
And coke, and modafinil, and probably back on heroin and Xanax.
@@Essey209 you only shower when there is people around you ? You're fucking discusting lmao
PROFESSOR - EPIC GAMING For reals. If I don't shower I feel fucking gross.
Getting dressed on camera? He couldn't even show up to his own stream on time, and I'm supposed to trust his investment skills?
This
I didn't understand what a Ponzi scheme was until Ice Poseidon explained what he was gathering investors for.
step 1: Make a company
step 2: You have no idea what kind of company you just made
step 3: You can't explain what the campaign does
step 4: Try to lure investors in a company that does something but unexplainable
step 5: Sell the company
step 6: Profit!
Believe it or not, this is not the first time I've heard this nonsense. I have my own business and people have actually come up to me and tried to get me to pay them money for an "idea" they had. When did people get it into their heads that "ideas" have a monetary value? Everyone has ideas, even my 3 year old niece has them, does that mean she must be a millionaire?
YOUR IDEAS ARE WROTHLESS UNTIL YOU CAN PUT THEM INTO PRACTICE, and that's the hard part. Once your idea becomes reality and people are willing to pay for it, then, AND ONLY THEN does it have value. These people have delusions of grandeur. "Investors" will never agree to pay cold hard cash for "IDEAS". Just typing this makes me mad, it's so stupid and the guy spewing this crap thinks he's a business genius. It's clear that he's never had his own business before and that he's detached from reality.
@@BillClinton228
Do I need to killing ppl to keep my valuation among foreign investors high?
Asking 4 a friend
South park reference ??
Yo Thank you.
It‘s funny how he just says invest but not in what. Doesn’t really matter as long as the cash comes in.
its a streaming platform, youre investing in a website.
@monsieur burger king Thats up to you?? I dont watch steams, so twitch is useless to me. But some autists spent 10 hours a day there spamming emojis no one will ever see or care about.
invest in an idea lol
Nonensense, he clearly stated that you are investing in investments from the future investors.
:v
He wants you to invest in a idea...because as everyone knows, ideas automatically make money. LOL
hes paying investors with other investors money, he must think he's a genius lmao
100 000 dollars US for just dancing to dance dance revolution...
Dance dance revolution youtube clips*
The bitch couldnt even be bothered to actually play the game and demonstrate some semblance of skill.
TheSPACECOWBOY33 thats the moment o realize i have wasted my life doing the wrong shit... imma chop my balls, get some fake tits and boom, ill become a thot!
@@philosopher9672 , i guess i'll start dancing
@Tim Clark except for a few basterds
the money always seems to evaporate very quickly
It's not a Ponzi scheme but it sounds exactly like a Ponzi scheme LMAO 😂😂😂
Investors invest because investing is what they invest in......IceP 2019
@Daisuke Young without investors, ponzi schemers don't exist.
So much ponzie comments, but no one comments on Papa Gundam's stage performance. WTF?!
Gundam, my friend, you're an awesome trap, with singing talents to boot. Keep it up.
PS. I know it's a ronin outfit.
He literally explained how drug dealers make money
Drugs dealers actually have a product for sale though
Dealing is either retail or wholesale depending on your level. Plus it is B2B accountmanagement as you do need to buy from and sell to other businesses
@@mikerose2504 B2B business, eh? Just not a legitimate one I guess, right?
Ice Poseidon is still a thing? I thought he just went away while occasionally running away from people trying to yell the N word at him.
most of his shit is way too fake to watch. like shit.
There's plenty of horrible people that enjoy his content still.
If you're referring to the TriHard Legion they've left Ice Poseidon due to him becoming haHaa
or his crew gonna fight each other for the cringe fuck "community" they built but bet ice don't even want them any more after all the times they called the cops & swatted him some "fans"
So this is why he needed a "break" taking a seminar to learn how to rip people off.
LMAO "Land Mammals" and Island of Dr. Moreau
I like how he explains absolutely 0 percent what the company actually offers
duh, it offers money!
it just works.
More money fam!
Gundam, bonus points for referencing the late great Rodney Dangerfield and showing a skit from Kids in the Hall in the same show.
So that guy just described what is called Bridge Capitalisation. Which typically is used in pyramid/ponzi schemes. If the "investors" on one side of the bridge whom have invested in this guys idea decide they want their investment back, the "company" will just destroy the bridge and walk away.
That ad at the end of the vidjayo just sold some tea. Fuckin EPIC!!
I miss blood sports
yeah we need to bring back gladiator fights real weapons, real blood. Have prisoners fight win 100 matches and your free(not really). I'm not a rich man but I'll invest in that.
Funny thing would be if u offered male streamers the chance most wud accept. Let's have a blood sport league on twitch ;) lol
'women who escaped from the island of doctor moreau' thanks for the giggle
Then right after he said that they are half bovine😂 I was dying!
well that was the main premise of that movie. the mad doctor was creating humanoids out of animals in an attempt to create a life form that was near identical in appearance to humans without being true humans. like synths from fallout only made from hybrid animal/human dna.
that movie turned me into a furry... lol.
@@draykowolf2293 im an old cunt and ive never come across anything as exotic as a furry. im sure there is australian furrys but not around here. im just picturing in my head a kangaroo furry. ive hunted with sighthounds for a large proportion of my life. and i was just wodering what your thoughts are on hunting dogs? because it is pretty good getting out there and feeling the oneness of the pack when your all hunting together.
@@draykowolf2293 or a wombat furry hahah
@@draykowolf2293 or a galah furry id like to see one of those before i die
yo gundam, keep it up man good to see this channel blow up
When your so angry you spell isn’t as itsnt in the title 🤣
yeah today was a day of fury and A.D.D
It'sAGundam it’s all good lmao I’m not a grammar Nazi just imagining you furiously angry made me laugh my ass off.
who gives a shit you loser
monsieur burger king I can definitely see that.
@@dawnofthewalkers4915 Obviously you're not a grammar nazi. Your first sentence wasn't even complete. You're also gay for pointing out that there is something in the title that may or may not have been a mistake.
You mean like how Soulja Boi 'made his own console'? Oh wait...
Have you seen his re5 play through?
100,000 in one stream? *IRS INTENSIFIES*
Ponzie Poseidon
👏👏👏
*Comparing IcePoseidon to McDonald's is offensive to McDonald's*
Your channels great
I freaking love that you use so many kids in the hall clips! Every time i see one of your videos it just makes me want to pop in my DVDs lol
Looks more like a fonzy scheme look at his haircut
Cleared 200,000 subscribers! Congrats man! I love your content, keep up the good work!
It's not a Ponzi scheme, the richest man in LA clearly knows what he's doing.
Wolf. Is this a joke?
"It's not a pyramid scheme, it is just a scheme in the shape of a triangle with me at the top"
I sat through this whole video laughing watching fallout new Vegas (amazing game btw) and I have one serious question. Who the f*ck is ice Poseidon?
Ugh dude, I envy you. . . it all started about 6 years ago.
You should seriously be doing business with Aki. Just saying, bro.
Thott process > Thought process
That Ho Over There There?
How many people paused the video to google Ice Poseidon?
Lmfao. I just did😭 I was scrolling the comments to see who the fuck he was
unfortunately i discovered that creature existed some time back, from L of the day...
me
Couldn't be bothered.....give two shits about any of this. I'm here because Gundam is raining down pain upon the world.
Last time I heard about this guy was when some thot called the cops on livestream to his house.
Give me more billy and first
Always look forward to vids from this guy. No matter if the video is one minute or nearly two hours I'm watching it!
GUNDAM I WANT LINKS TO YOUR CONCERTS NAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Fucking hell Gundam, crying here....fucking love your vids, pure talent mate. Big up from all the way over here in Wales, UK.
I want to buy Aki's tea, that my friends is how you make an ad for something.
I like how me, a balding man, and Gundam, a man with luxurious native locks, both look at this dude and say, "Fuck this guy's hair!"
Using investors money to pay other investors is the definition of a Pyramid scheme. Rico
“It just works”
- Todd Howard
It's not a pyramid scheme. It's a reverse funnel system.
You know what, the funnel make more sense than pyramid. The bigger your funnel the more money you gonna catch
I didn't know this "ice poseidon" guy existed before today, and now I've died a little more inside. Thanks gundam.
Here's a pyramid scheme
Go tell 2 people to watch and sub to It'sAGundam, and have those 2 people tell 2 people, and so on.
Good lord... this guy is just the epitome of genius. If only we were all blessed with that intellect
Good ole new vegas
"You know what I'm wearing for underwear? The body of a guitar! Guitar - underwear, office - submarine!"
Who remembers when Ice used to stream OSRS and we would all song request racist shit?
Good times.
NIGMODE KFCMANAGER DODGE CHARGER EBT GANGS SAGGY PANTS PRISON BLACK N____S.
@@CountlessPWNZ LINE COOK
Those were the good ol' days, back before the thots took over Twitch and the TOS didn't turn everyone into pussies.
YOO! That clip of rocking gundam officially made him my favorite channel on here. Music, art, TH-cam, and he's actually funny. Versatility! It happen when you actually have to work for something. Thank you gundam, thank
You!
The adult stream site is called plexstorm
When anyone explains their business policy as: "not a ponzi scheme or a pyramid scheme"
I think: IT'S A TRAP!!!
Going to watch Henry Rollins Liar after your video thanks Gundam :)
Dont often comment Gundam, yet just wanted to holla and say dont ever change dude.
Love the content.
Just forward the video if dummy explaining his business model to the IRS or FBI. Both agencies have great sense of humors.
Working a pallet jack on a god damn loading dock... Damn Gundam why you gotta do me like that
I have said it before and I will say it again. Ice is literally the worst piece of trash on the internet. he makes DSP look honorable.
Technically any company (if it was paid out of pocket) won't make back the money it invested within the first year. Very rare occasions are there ever a company that can come close. Essentially it's First Year Revenue - Cost of Start Up = Net Loss or Net Gain.
Just like Herbalife. This dude needs to get locked up.
I love how gundam interacts with his dog, its so cute
aren't guys not allowed to be shirtless on stream on top of it? like... he describes a ponsi scheme while trying to put a shirt on ahaha
Phantex he streams on TH-cam not twitch
@@JoeMama-fs3ul ah fair enough, makes sense.
God damn Gundam. I love ya' brother. You tell it like it is.
Wait was that actually Papa Gundam killing it on stage?
Yes, he used to be in a band
@@levi2482 Which one was him? Guitar player in the middle?
@@davecarsley8773 no, the singer with long hair.
@@levi2482 Oh cool. Thanks.
“Don’t tell too many people about me cause a white man will come in here and take me AWAY “
Ooo this gonna be good bois
So, Ice_Poseidon is the Michael Jordan of Twitch.
I got nothing against these thots. Sure the situation is frustrating when you see what they’re getting away with but I got nothing against seeing some T n’ A, but i think twitch is biting itself in the ass by not putting up some sort of over 18 pay wall or something. Because the day is coming when the parents are gonna freak out when they find out that their 13 year old has been using their credit card to pay some stripper
You have one of the most entertaining sponsors!
It is not a ponzi scheme? Well using that same logic I guess Bernie
Madoff was not doing illegal stuff. Or Souja boy not selling illegal
Chinese consoles. Or twitch thots not doing sexual acts and calling it
art. Bullshit if that is not a ponzi scheme I don't know what is.
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, theres some a hole whos tellin you its not a damn sasquach.
Yo gundam I love you
15:06 - I'm coincidentally watching a SpaceX live launch at the same time...
Gundam.....I had to fast forward past that twitch thot destroying the guitar! Wtf were u thinking Gundam......please don't make me suffer thru that again lol
'here's my business i have no idea what it is but give me money so it grows'....*retreats to the forest*
he's using hedgefunds to fund a company, that's illegal.
That's not illegal. How do you think Hedge-fund Managers form their corporations??
this sounds like two hwite lies
@@davecarsley8773 by paying back investors.
i love the edit after the dude saying i love you guys "cuts to henry rollins" lol
Only read the title, but I’m already convinced that Ice Poseidon is not running A PONZI SCHEME.
You are always welcome Aki. You too Gundam.
Wanna go on a date??
You seem like a nice gal...
It brought a tear to my eye seeing rockstar gundam. When I go to the gym I also hype myself up to Drug king. It’s such a good song.
I think ice Poseidon ment to say people invest into creating the site then once he gets adds up and working he then pays off the investors with the add money like a loan but with no interest
Then how are they going to pay the overhead costs?
The idea is to start with a small amount of investor money, grow the site, and then take on more investors based on the growth. Some of the early investors will be bought out from later investors. This is exactly how Uber got to its size. A ponzi scheme which basically be counting the investments as revenue so it looks like there is a growing company, when actually there is nothing. In this case, the initial investment seems to be in the form of covertible debt. That is debt which can be converted to shares.
Legend has it that Ice Poseidon is still buttoning that shirt to this very day!
Doesn’t Twitch take a large amount from donations?
Essentially Twitch gets half. It varies.
From subs around 50% from bits it's up front when buying you pay the extra from 100%-32% where the efficient being 331€ to 250$ of donations to streamer...
i bet % is a lot different if you are a big streamer or not
@@bouquindugamer You need to work harder and/or get a better education.
@@cedricc9010 it's same for all, you buy virtual coins/tokens/bits that you can use in streamers chat, just like cam sites
DUDE, Did I legit just see papa gundam with a band, HOW WAS I NOT TOLD OF THIS??????
When you go to the strip club and you don't have cash, they charge you an extra percentage.
Twitch, on the other hand, does not.
Atm????
...who goes to a strip club knowingly without cash? I mean stop at an atm before it isn't difficult.
And we probably don't need to know what is going on in either of your hands...lol
@@rallyfeind
But then you have to justify why you took out 500 dollars from your account last Saturday to your wife or girlfriend.
Instead of just "well fuck, freeze the card and I'll call the bank. Someone has my information."
That's LITERALLY how you explain what a Ponzi scheme is. 😂😂😂
It all falls apart when you can't get any more money to pay off the latest suckers
What's yall favorite season? Mines winter by far
Same
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Season 4 Fortnite
Jaron Cooper - I only know one season: The Eternal Springtime of YOUTH.
Johnnys Seasoning.
"3:56"The I'm a liar cut in made this video lmfao
I disagree. Most of these girls would not go into porn, or any other adult industry. They wouldn't. They'd just be one man gold diggers and trophy wives. some of them, maybe many of them certainly - would do other things. But in the end.... Most of the twitch thots - without twitch - would just be trophy wives. Arguing with the other would be thots about who had the better house, better shoes, and who's kids were more likely not to be utter disappointments.
well, they clearly can't find employment where it counts on the streets.
all they have is their looks.
i can't stand gundam at times, because he's right!
i get into crowbar fights with simps over this issue, and my skull is seasoned and much harder as a result of healed fractures....
This is like when Michael didn’t know it was a pyramid scheme until Jim drew the Pyramid infront of him
Go aki tea go lol . Only true fans get it !
It's usually a better move to focus on what you believe you can accomplish rather than what you believe others cannot.