Great video. I looked into ICF dang near two decades ago and I remember Logix. What ever happened to Eco Block? I took the training and got certified right out of college and never did anything with it. Now that I'm reaching retirement and wanting to start my own construction business, I will definitely be looking at Logix to build my retirement home as well as a couple of rental properties.
I'm considering building with ICF in the near future. My dad and I built his house with the original Logix, and i rulled them out for mine. Mainly due to the lack of hard plastic at the corners. I was leaning towards Fox Block, but I will get a quote for the ElementICF too. It looks like they solved all the problems with the original block. I would like to see a closer look at the corners. That's my main concern. The ElementICF install guide seems to recommend a significant amount of wood strapping to reinforce the corners. I was somewhat surprised by this, because I thought the goal of these stronger corners was to remove or reduce the need for wood strapping.
Hey David, there are some situations where corners require reinforcement but that's in specific situations such as where there are openings within 2' of a corner, where corner forms were actually made out of standard straight forms instead of corner forms, or where the corner forms have been modified in some way to reduce their strength such as by cutting some of the web ties. For a "regular" wall, there is no additional form support required for the corners. Element ICF definitely has one of the strongest corner forms on the market today. -- Jay from AMC Foam
Much better review than Matt’s on the Build Show, because he and his content creators primarily work with framers. You know what they say, when you’re a hammer everything looks like a nail. When you’re primarily a framer or work with framers every house is stick built.
I commented on Matt’s video for people to look for your video. He has such a broad reach, and tons of people want ICF content, but he and his contributors just refuse. Jake literally is building sub grade foundations out of wood. All in the name of being green, which is laughable.
What is the price differential between the Element ICF and Fox Blocks ICF? This is the main comparison for me since these blocks are so similar. I am still preferential towards the Fox Blocks primarily due to their strength and HV Clips. Thanks for the comparison presentation.
I may not be understanding, but if the web is deeper within the foam, which makes it easier to cut horizontal chases, doesn’t that mean you need correspondingly longer screws as well? So the wires would still be within reach of drywall screws either way? I may be confused though. Happens a lot. EDIT: just noticed you said it’s only at the top that they don’t go full depth, so never mind. I’ll leave the comment though in case anyone else is similarly confused.
So your video wad very good as usual, and didnt seem too bias,but would love to have heard the cons, if any. Youve given the same for other brands, but nothing here. Please do, even with a rep answering too. This way they hear concerns and issues upfront, and can maybe change anything now, rather than another 20 years down the road.
Main con atm is only one of their 5 plants is up and running with the new block, but this vid will be up forever and that issue should resolve by year end!
Another they are working on is the preassrmbled version of the straights are packaged nested, gets nearly 200 more block on a semi over fox but the pallets are janky to handle…. I’ve already tipped two stacks over in my mildly sloping parking lot…. They are finalizing packaging on that one item, the rest is all dlick
I don’t think so, I think given current demand and knowledge base there’s several good options, it’d be nice to see more get involved as the market grows!
We do! 4", 6", 8", 10", 12" are all standard core sizes for Element ICF and even larger cores are possible with our tie extender clips. -- Jay from AMC Foam
@@aceace6001 The biggest I've personally seen on site was 24", that was for a deep foundation that needed the extra structural strength to hold back the tall backfill. I've heard stories about 5' wide ICF footings but not sure if those are fishing stories 😂. How wide are you looking for? -- Jay from AMC Foam
@@MadLadsAnonymous Great question, it really depends on each specific projects structural requirements and the site conditions. Those are the two main factors that will determine what size concrete core is required. For example, in areas with lower density free draining sandy soils, you can often to with a thinner concrete core because the foundation is seeing less pressure from the backfill material. In areas with heavy expansive clay soils, you will often see thicker concrete cores since there is more backfill pressure against the foundation. The overall structure and load bearing capacity required for the structure can also come into play. If you're building with ICF above grade, it will be the regional wind pressures that determine what size of concrete core structure is required. We have prescriptive engineering manuals available that can help answer this question for your specific project, as long as it falls inside of the scope of limitations for our manuals (# of stories, overall footprint). Otherwise you can engage with an engineer and they will make those determinations. I hope this helps, please look us up on social media under AMC Foam and message anytime if you have any other questions! -- Jay from AMC Foam
Not saying I wouldn't use them but,,, Basically looks like a Fox Block with a little twist, dont see any real design advantage , will basically come down to the price and availability. Logix nubbins are horrible just surprised it took them this long to make a decent design
@Navy1977 I always enjoy the technical aspect but sometimes I feel there is a little bit of rambling and because I was trying to fast forward through that I missed the part of the explanation that this block clicks together like Nudura,,, but in the end it all comes down to price and availability,,I prefer the rigidity of a fox block type but would definitely consider the new Logix...
Some great details, & much improved over the old design. Glad to see another competitor worth considering. Thx Aaron!
Great video. I looked into ICF dang near two decades ago and I remember Logix. What ever happened to Eco Block? I took the training and got certified right out of college and never did anything with it. Now that I'm reaching retirement and wanting to start my own construction business, I will definitely be looking at Logix to build my retirement home as well as a couple of rental properties.
I'm considering building with ICF in the near future. My dad and I built his house with the original Logix, and i rulled them out for mine. Mainly due to the lack of hard plastic at the corners. I was leaning towards Fox Block, but I will get a quote for the ElementICF too. It looks like they solved all the problems with the original block.
I would like to see a closer look at the corners. That's my main concern. The ElementICF install guide seems to recommend a significant amount of wood strapping to reinforce the corners. I was somewhat surprised by this, because I thought the goal of these stronger corners was to remove or reduce the need for wood strapping.
Hey David, there are some situations where corners require reinforcement but that's in specific situations such as where there are openings within 2' of a corner, where corner forms were actually made out of standard straight forms instead of corner forms, or where the corner forms have been modified in some way to reduce their strength such as by cutting some of the web ties. For a "regular" wall, there is no additional form support required for the corners. Element ICF definitely has one of the strongest corner forms on the market today. -- Jay from AMC Foam
@@amcfoamtech thank you. I appreciate your comment.
WOW! Thanks for sharing with us! Great info!
Great video. Really awesome product! Wow
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Much better review than Matt’s on the Build Show, because he and his content creators primarily work with framers. You know what they say, when you’re a hammer everything looks like a nail. When you’re primarily a framer or work with framers every house is stick built.
Agreed and thank you!
I commented on Matt’s video for people to look for your video. He has such a broad reach, and tons of people want ICF content, but he and his contributors just refuse. Jake literally is building sub grade foundations out of wood. All in the name of being green, which is laughable.
What is the price differential between the Element ICF and Fox Blocks ICF? This is the main comparison for me since these blocks are so similar. I am still preferential towards the Fox Blocks primarily due to their strength and HV Clips. Thanks for the comparison presentation.
These will be the same or slightly cheaper before you take in to account the price of the clips for fox and the fact you won’t need them with element
Great info great video, thanks!
Sure
Can you review the vertical ICF systems? In particular, TF Forming Systems and Hobbs? They look really interesting and seem easier than horizontal.
I’m going to to do tf soon
I've built out of tf the foam is cheap grade of foam cool system though
I may not be understanding, but if the web is deeper within the foam, which makes it easier to cut horizontal chases, doesn’t that mean you need correspondingly longer screws as well? So the wires would still be within reach of drywall screws either way? I may be confused though. Happens a lot. EDIT: just noticed you said it’s only at the top that they don’t go full depth, so never mind. I’ll leave the comment though in case anyone else is similarly confused.
Yep, just gives you about an inch at the horizontal seams to run chase’s without contending with the web, not absolutely necessary but handy for sure!
So your video wad very good as usual, and didnt seem too bias,but would love to have heard the cons, if any. Youve given the same for other brands, but nothing here. Please do, even with a rep answering too. This way they hear concerns and issues upfront, and can maybe change anything now, rather than another 20 years down the road.
Main con atm is only one of their 5 plants is up and running with the new block, but this vid will be up forever and that issue should resolve by year end!
Another they are working on is the preassrmbled version of the straights are packaged nested, gets nearly 200 more block on a semi over fox but the pallets are janky to handle…. I’ve already tipped two stacks over in my mildly sloping parking lot…. They are finalizing packaging on that one item, the rest is all dlick
Are they making a roof product as well? I want to know more about their roofing solutions!
No, my favorite and the one we carry is build deck by build block!
One problem, their closest rep to us is 1,800 miles away. Will they have sales reps on the west coast soon?
We can get you material now! They’ve got one manufacturer north west in Canada and another in Wichita coming online, but they ship easier than others!
looks very promising! is element ICF going to launch roof system soon?
I don’t think so, I think given current demand and knowledge base there’s several good options, it’d be nice to see more get involved as the market grows!
@@all3pools is it easy to use insuldeck, litedeck or quadlock 's roof with elementICF though?
Awesome ICF !!! How about their Pricing ? !!!
Similar if not slightly below fix
@@all3pools *Fox :) ... maybe that was a mental slip telling them to step it up lol
So the most important question. How does it compare in cost? Usually new products with lots of kool features costs an arm and a leg more.
So I don’t want to say this in the actual vid because I think it could spoil it…. As of now the price is the same as original logix😳
@@all3pools Then that should be very competitive. If I only knew before I started my house.....
Right?;)
i wish they made 12 inch core versions
We do! 4", 6", 8", 10", 12" are all standard core sizes for Element ICF and even larger cores are possible with our tie extender clips. -- Jay from AMC Foam
@@amcfoamtech whats the bigges you core guys do? and whats the R v?
@@aceace6001 The biggest I've personally seen on site was 24", that was for a deep foundation that needed the extra structural strength to hold back the tall backfill. I've heard stories about 5' wide ICF footings but not sure if those are fishing stories 😂. How wide are you looking for? -- Jay from AMC Foam
What's the benefit of 12" vs 6"? Is it just a thicker concrete wall?
@@MadLadsAnonymous Great question, it really depends on each specific projects structural requirements and the site conditions. Those are the two main factors that will determine what size concrete core is required. For example, in areas with lower density free draining sandy soils, you can often to with a thinner concrete core because the foundation is seeing less pressure from the backfill material. In areas with heavy expansive clay soils, you will often see thicker concrete cores since there is more backfill pressure against the foundation. The overall structure and load bearing capacity required for the structure can also come into play. If you're building with ICF above grade, it will be the regional wind pressures that determine what size of concrete core structure is required.
We have prescriptive engineering manuals available that can help answer this question for your specific project, as long as it falls inside of the scope of limitations for our manuals (# of stories, overall footprint). Otherwise you can engage with an engineer and they will make those determinations. I hope this helps, please look us up on social media under AMC Foam and message anytime if you have any other questions! -- Jay from AMC Foam
id love to see the price sheets on it.
Email support@all3pools.com
Thanks Aaron! That is indeed a cool block. Any plans to make larger than the 8" that you are aware of? Thanks again man
They do make other thicknesses you just have to site assemble, which is really no big deal with this system!
@@all3pools Thanks man!
This looks very much like stronghold, are there any benefits to this compared?
Price and it’s backed by an older company, nothing wrong with stronghold tho
Compair to other ICF. What is the risk of a blowout?
Will you be attending WOC in Vegas?
Yes
Your video is better
Does Logix have Revit Families?
Not sure
What is the price difference with the other guys ?
At the moment slightly lower😳, I wouldn’t count on that remaining but I believe they will be basically the same in the foreseeable future!
This auto tracking feature of your camera is super annoying. You can make your videos 1000% better if you turn it off.
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Not saying I wouldn't use them but,,, Basically looks like a Fox Block with a little twist, dont see any real design advantage , will basically come down to the price and availability. Logix nubbins are horrible just surprised it took them this long to make a decent design
Ya they basically resolved everything I had issue with old logix…. And with incorporating Nudura style clips built in they do lay quicker than fox
@Navy1977 I always enjoy the technical aspect but sometimes I feel there is a little bit of rambling and because I was trying to fast forward through that I missed the part of the explanation that this block clicks together like Nudura,,, but in the end it all comes down to price and availability,,I prefer the rigidity of a fox block type but would definitely consider the new Logix...
Kansas nubs