What the Hell is Moschops?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มิ.ย. 2022
- What the Hell is Moschops? On of the stranger animals from the Permian, it comes from a very interesting geologic area, the Karoo Basin. With many odd features to live in it's environment there's still a lot we don't know, but a lot we do.
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Am I crazy, I thought the Falkland islands were off south America not south Africa? Or was it comparing some geological similarities and not position?
So I simplified, but the image did shot the Falkland Plateau related to the Falkland islands. South America, Antarctica, and southern Africa grouped together. So it was parts of the thrust fronts of the Falklands Plateau, and Antarctica which formed the Cape Fold Mountains.
@@RaptorChatter ah OK! 😂 Thanks for the clarification!
it is
Love the 3rd eye aspect
Malvines islands.
moschops are also known for their excellent ability to haverst rare mushrooms/flowers, sap and organic polymer
I honestly didn't even know it was in ARK until I started looking for more photos.
They are good at collecting prime meat at early game
@@RaptorChatter
They are more annoying than useful mostly being an early game harvester
Great early tame!!
Who literally ask for anything to tame up
“What the hell is moschops?”
A friend.
A friend from childhood 🤭🤭🤭
A poli gatherer
@@julioalbertoherrera1339 at least he had one 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
some dude i shot for no particular reason on an alien planet
Moschops was the first animal I tamed in ark, her name was Alex and she survived for 4 straight years until one day, an alpha carno broke into my house and ate her
“What the Hell is Moschops?”
Ark players: “Allow us to introduce ourselves.”
Carnivores players: a fellow enjoyer?
People always ask _what_ the hell is Moschops, but they never ask _how_ the hell is Moschops.
I'm doing well thanks very much
It’s one of the best early game tames for fiber and berries without a saddle.
I honestly didn't even realize it was in Ark until trying to get photos and realizing that a lot of the images were from the game.
I only use them for meat and poop
Really? Interesting. I always passed them up for another early game herbivore. Usually parasaur or a low level equus
@@TopFurret parasaur works but you need a saddle, equus can be hard to find and taming them is non intuitive.
@@TopFurret I seem to recall them being good amphibious swimmers
Now do one about Moschoke and Moschamp.
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OH I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE!!!🤣🤣🤣
No no, damn you XD damn you to the league champ and back!!
Certified Machop/Machoke/Machamp moment
Wait till he talks about Gmax moschamp
@@kingdedede3814 Aaaaah 0o0'' XD
They are very useful for raising the taming effectiveness on desmodus.
such a great addition to the game
Not my moechop 😭
but you definitely need to breed and not wild tame them
Really? I might try that soon
@@dainty_axolotl4934 yes, its also work for bloodstalker, because bloodstalker and desmodus taming method is similar
It's one of those creatures they always used to put in bags of cheaply-moulded plastic dinosaur toys when I was a kid, but that you almost never hear about, these days. 😉
Cool video! Thank you!
That's very true. I know it mostly from those old sorts of things lol.
They came in a sticker pack made by Panini: six stickers and one animal, mostly dinosaurs and marine reptiles... No wait, it was Cynognathus 😁 well, Mochops was in the book as a sticker, and I was weirded out, even after fifteen years of being a dino fan 😁😁
The pre-dinosaur world in general is rarely featured in documentaries, which is a bummer because a lot of wild things were happening with those early land vertibrates.
Lol I have a cheap dinosaur toy set with a desmatosuchus
Same. And in that bag, Moschops was oddly my favorite.
I love Permian. Animals living back then were breathtakingly weird! Despite many of them being relatives or ancestors of mammals. Shows how far we've come. 😎
Talk about a “glow up”.
The Permian is very underrated in my opinion, there's so much going on in the early evolution of modern groups that just slides under the radar of most people.
@@RaptorChatter I think the Triassic Era is underrated because it gets overshadowed by the Jurassic and Cretaceous
@@RaptorChatter the entire Paleozoic is underrated tbh
Mammals ancestor is Reptile
I'd seen pictures of Moschops but I didn't know anything about it.
Also I'm glad your kitty made a full recovery. He's a handsome boy.
He's such a good boy. Just sometimes he's an idiot.
@@RaptorChatter nah bruh mines an idiot😭
@@RaptorChatter Just a cat being a cat! 😀
I first encountered Moschops in Carnivores. They're shy but chill blokes, almost prehistoric Capybaras.
I was looking exactly for Carnivores comment. Not gonna lie when I was in a bad mood I would use them as target practice as kid. And Pteranodon when I was even in a worst mood.
Very nice! Moschops was one of my favorite extinct organisms as a kid. I remember the cute picture of it in a little golden field guide to fossils I used to have. Very nice information dense presentation.
Yeah, I was worried I was doing too much info, but I think it turned out really well. Thanks!
Moschops was my favourite too. And uncle icthiosaurus! (You know there was a kids programme in England right? )
The books of "Life magazine": The Reptiles 🐍🐢🦎🐊🦖🦕
All I know about the Moschops is that it's usually my first tame when I play Ark 😁
I wasn't aware that Moschops was in that game until I was looking for photos during editing. But I do keep hearing it's great during early game.
@@RaptorChatter its great for organic polymer
It’s a pain too tame
@@ikedog1405 yeah it can be. A little luck and is all you need.
@@RaptorChatter Ark isnt very accurate, but it does introduce people to more obscure dinosaurs, ancient mammal, etc
Used to have one of these in my plastic dinosaur collection many years ago. Always been fascinated by those other (not) dinosaurs like Moschops and the other Synapsids.
They're so under discussed in most media, who basically go look at the dinosaurs, and then look at the mammoth, with little of the before or in between.
It's one of those obscure prehistoric animals I skimmed through while reading an encyclopedia as a kid and now for some reason lives rent free in my mind along side Gerrothorax, Eryops and Diplocalus.
Yeah, it's definitely one of the better known ones from the Permian. I just couldn't recall any recent discussion about it.
Moschops is one of my favorite animals from the Permian period, thank you so much for making a video about it.
first time stumbling across your channel and i must say im loving this dude! This is kind of how I talk to my students where enough scientific language is thrown around but its still like having a convo and not being lectured (may use these in a lesson or two!)
I'm so glad Moschops is finally getting the love and recognition it always deserved. Whereas other kids geeked out over dinosaurs, I had a soft spot for the therapsids in my prehistoric creatures books that lurked those few pages between the Permian and the age of the dinos. Something about seeing this anomalous link between what we know today as mammals/reptiles and something earlier that didn't fit neatly into our current categories enchanted me - and it still fascinates me. The Synapsids opened my eyes to the fact that evolution (and in extent, history) isn't linear, and that nature is wonderfully chaotic. So thank you, big dopey pre-lizard thing named Moschops.
Yeah, it's a very interesting animal. And while sure dinosaurs are great there's also a lot of really interesting animals that deserve more love.
Same the therapsids and syrapsids always intrested me to along with the dinosaurs the paleozoic is so mysterious and amazing in my opinion as it was so long ago
ooh, I relate so much!!
Moschops was target practice as a kid playing Carnivores 1-2. Best loveable moving target a kid could ask for.
Moschops has been a favorite of mine since I first saw them in the game carnivores as a child.
That was a fairly fun game it should be said. Or at least i enjoyed it.
@@RaptorChatter I think so too, plus they keep re-rereleasing them so others must as well.
@@Beastlango
Yeah, I played Carnivores: Dinosaur Hunter when I was a kid. It’s a mobile port of Carnivores 2. I loved that game, I should try it again.
@@MetaFanWing their ice age game is really fun too
I love the presentation of this dinosaur in the video. Every part. Even the ominous music. Loved it all!
Maybe you should have just focused on the video content itself, rather than the presentation. Then you would know it wasn't in fact a dinosaur. 😃
I can’t believe how much more robust Moschops skeleton was compared to a Hippos one
So the hippo one is interesting, because it came from the Madagascan pygmy hippo, but still showed the relevant anatomy. The larger skull on the side is the size of an adult African hippo as opposed to a smaller one.
And of course, Moschops' most lasting legacy, being a potential inspiration to the designs and/or at least the English names of the Pokémon line of Machop, Machoke, and Machamp (seriously, look at their faces and think of anything else). And that Moschops toy I had whose arms had right-angle elbows and rotated at the shoulder, that was always a fun mess to try posing.
Moschop
Moschoke
Moschamp
I wouldn't be shocked if at least the root words were from the same place.
I mean I'm pretty sure that's a coincidence because it's just macho plus chop but
It do be sounding similar
I love finding a new channel to explore.
Great stuff !!
Thanks!
My dude, you are extremely attractive. Your beard defines your jawline so well, and it's at the perfect middle ground between neat and rugged. Paired with bold eyebrows, you have a lot of character to your look and I really dig it.
Yikes
When I was a child back in the late 1950s and early 1960s I had a collection of plastic "dinosaurs". I put the name in quotes because Moschops (and Dimetrodon, Sphenacodon) was among the various dinosaurs, including the usual ones such as Plateosaurus, Tyrannosaurus, Brontosaurus, Stegosaurus, Ankylosaurus, Allosaurus, Iguanodon, Triceratops, "Trachodon" (name no longer in use), etc. Of course creatures from the Permian were mixed in with creatures from the Mesozoic.
The shoulder on that Moschops looks like it would have made a great Mos-shoulder roast.
As a kid, Moschops was the first Non-dinosaur name I learned, they became one of my favourites too.
They were definitely one of the more prominent ones when I was growing up, but I have seen much of them recently.
Great channel man, super cool content
Thanks!
Wow! What a great delivery! I love this video
Thanks!
8:51 Is it possible that Moschops features may have served several of the hypotheses that you mentioned?
If he's right about the annual change in ecosystem, it almost has to be. The animal was probably living a very dynamic lifestyle from one point in the year to the next.
@@matthewlawton9241 p
Moschops were always my favorite animal, but no one ever talks about them. Thank you for this video.
You're welcome!
honestly i'd like to see a maschops in paleomedia , it just feels right , it's like a big iguana with a thick skull and sprawled legs , it feels primordial and unique in a way in wich few animals do today
and i'd like to see one move in cgi
Yeah, if Prehistoric Planet ever gets permission for a Paleozoic season I'd love to see it.
it does appear in ark;survival evole game.Maybe it will appear in animated series as well.
He looks like a good boi.
There is something about Moschops that just freaks me out. They have creepy faces, weird shaped bodies, the name Moschops is even kind of weird. At the AMNH I can't decide which specimen freaks me out more. The Moschops or the skull of the Pachycephalosaurus which looks like an alien.
Dinocephalians in general always remind me of the Sea of Monsters from Yellow Submarine.
The name does have Pokemon phonetics. 🐲
It's so weird that my collection of plastic "dinosaurs" included a moschops, 50 years ago. Seems an odd choice for the toymakers.
I believe I also had a mesosaur and separate mosasaur. The former being similarly super-rare in popular "dinosaur" media.
I just found your channel and I love your videos, especially this WTH series! It covers all the bizarre critters from the past and I love it! Would you ever consider doing a video on Cotylorhynchus? It's one of my favorite extinct animals because of how bizarre it was, and I am unsure as to how it would've fed with such a short neck. Thanks for reading!
The second largest lizard found locally is the Chuckwalla, Sauromalus ater. It’s only about foot long but looks a little like Moschops, and vegetarian also. Tortoises are also vegetarians, they eat cactus but cycads aren’t common in the Mojave Desert.
Dinocephalians need more love. Personally a fan of Anteosaurus.
Yeah, but I feel there's only so many videos I can do on synapsids from the Permian right now. There are plenty of weird ones, but I want to try and spread the info across many groups.
All ark players: hey that’s my berry collector
I will never not be amazed that we can look at an extinct animals teeth, how the world around them looked like at the time, and be able to say with reasonable certainty how it lived it's life. Great vid!
Thanks!
@RaptorChatter, when I was a kid in the 60s I was given a gift set of Mars Toys Company dinosaurs and prehistoric mammals. My favorite was the Sabertooth 'tiger' and on the dinosaur set the Moschops because it looked like a mean frog!
I am starting this video now and I really hope it makes reference to the Moschops claymation shoe from the UK in the 80's.
It's a great video regardless.
You are actually the way I found out about this, and now I wish I had included it
South Africa is still a unique area. It’s has such unique flora that it has its own floristic kingdom. So you have the holarctic, neotropical, paleotropical, australian, antarctic and cape floristic kingdom. the cape floristic kingdom is by far the smallest but it’s so distinctive and unique that its separated from the paleotropical floristic kingdom.
Moschops is my favorite ancient animal and I have no idea why. I just love them lol
It's good how you get right to the info and then deliver a lot of it. Looks like you could get some serious chops off of 'ol moschops...tastes like chicken!
The cycads are most closely related to ginkgo. Together they form a monophyletic clade. They are the only extant seed plants with motile sperm cells which is considered an ancestral trait to all seed plants.
Not to mention they're absolutely goated for early game ark.
"idiot in question" XDDDDDDDDDDD
Yeah, that cat is good at getting himself into trouble
Moschops, the hardest Woolworths ancient animals card to collect.
When I played Ark survival evolved I loved roaming around with my Ma-chops!
a very good rare flower harvester
Moschops and their relatives maintaining the trend of increasingly weird critters the further back we look into the fossil record. Sure, there's some features that we can see at least the start of more modern morphologies, but there's still a whole lot of 'pretty much all surviving lineages came up with very different solutions to those problems' too.
Maybe it's just me, but it always feels that the Permian is kinda the last gasp of the truly weird, even though it's downright tame compared to say, the Cambrian biota. (We still love you, freaks of the Burgess Shale!)
Idk, the triassic had some very weird animals, too.
@@birbdad1842 Fair. I don't think of them as really bizarre as some of the Permian or earlier, but it's perfectly valid to call that line later on than I do.
Honestly, in some ways I agree. The Permian was the last of the truly weird. while many groups evolved in the Tr, many died out, and those that remained were pretty similar to modern groups.
I don't really see that point of view because more modern animals have a far greater variety of forms (consider flamingos, elephants, humans etc) than these more basal animals.
Moschops reminds me a bit of a giant English bulldog, especially head-on.
They at least have moderately similar posture.
It looks a lot like one of those Starwars dewbacks and blurrgs.
And incidentally, I like your shirt!
Honestly it wouldn't be out of place showing up in the Obi-wan show. &thanks!
Maybe a good question. If a future paleontologest say a million years from now with out written knowelege of our time and animals found bone fossils of say a miniature poodle, a great Dane, a st Barnard and a whippet would they clasifie it as 1 or 4 species?
That's a great question, and one that biologists even today struggle with. I discuss species concepts in the video on if there's multiple species of Tyrannosaurus, but basically the idea of a species is a human construct, in actual animal you can have populations which are identical in morphology, but never interbreed and have different behaviors. Similarly with some animals like warblers you can have multiple different looking animals all hybridizing. So the definition used becomes a major part of the discussion when looking at what is a species.
Add to that some species who change a bit while growing... Like some people claiming a Ceratopsid's crest kept growing through his life and what we know as Triceratops is actaully a Torrosaurus not fully grown....
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 That theory isn’t widely accepted to say the least Torosaurus is almost certainly its own genus hell we have old Triceratops and sub adult Torosaurus and Torosaurus seems to be smaller than Triceratops which further hurts the theory.
@@bennettfender9927 well, the example of the Casuari is a strong one, the crest is almost not present in juveniles and becomes impressive in adults, so at least the Avian Dinosaurs have this trait, and seeing how Iguanodon changed over 200 years and Spinosaurus over 20, I would not hold it impossible.
Oh, and if Triceratops was bigger, them that might have been the adult form, were it not for Torosaurus having a longer crest...
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 Why would Triceratops get rid of its armored frill a useful defense mechanism as it aged? That makes no sense as the frill it already has was probably evolved in response to Tyrannosaurus rex arriving from the continent from Asia if anything. Plus there’s other issues with the theory. Torosaurus isn’t actually known from younger strata in Hell Creek seemingly dying out before the actual K-PG event meaning it only lived alongside the earlier horridus species not porsus. This punches holes in the theory as why would one species get special headgear as it aged but not the other. Plus Torosaurus had other differences as well the beak shape is completely different from both Triceratops species. Plus Torosaurus remains are rare and they are never found alongside Triceratops hinting at perhaps different habitat preferences. I could go in but there are 2 research papers you can read that shred Horner dumb ass theory so I’ll just leave it at that for now.
"Entirely semi-aquatic" is cursed wording
Yeah, I made the mistake while recording, and then just didn't catch it until we were almost done editing, whoops.
@@RaptorChatter Easily done. I liked the video though!
I heard about an aggressive cryptid encounter that described a similar animal
Informative and *kudos* articulate!
Thanks!
4:15/4:16 That group of plants has been around since at least the start of the Campanian stage of the late Cretaceous.
Awesome video! Really glad I found your channel! As an orthodontist, felt I should chime in on a very minor thing in case you ever get talking about teeth again:
Ankylosis is pronounced like “ankle-low-sis” - pronounced just like ankle as in you sprained your ankle. Not trying to be overly pedantic, just a friendly tip!
The reason a gomphosis allows the teeth to come into more direct contact is because the periodontal ligament, is filled with compressible fluid and basically acts as a shock absorber for your teeth. Without it, if you bit down too hard the forces would travel directly into your jaw bone and could fracture your jaw.
Human teeth can actually get ankylosed too! All the reasons it happens is still unclear, but basically the cementum becomes fused with the alveolar bone (jaw bone), making the tooth both impossible to move orthodontically and very difficult to extract for oral surgeons.
The two most common situations we experience this as orthodontists is either when trying to pull in impacted teeth (adult teeth that get stuck way up in the jaw and never drop down and erupt to replace the baby teeth), and in over retained baby teeth that never fall out, such as when the adult tooth that should replace it never develops. Ankylosed teeth actually prevent the jaw bone from growing properly, and can prevent the surrounding teeth from erupting properly, leading to a big “dip” in the persons teeth and they won’t touch the top teeth properly when you bite.
They’re a real nightmare to deal with orthodontically, I hate them lol. The usual test we do is tapping on the suspected tooth with a metal instrument handle. If it’s ankylosed, it makes a very sharp sounding, unmistakable metallic ring noise, like hitting a spoon on concrete- vs a normal tooth which has a dull sound when tapped.
When I hear that sound, I know I’m gonna be in for a very bad time trying to straighten the persons teeth.
Thanks for the pronunciation correction, I felt like it was off while recording, but couldn't place it. And thanks for the even more in depth explanation on gomphosis. I was trying to remember the exact reasoning while recording because I made my notes on that part too simplified lol.
@@RaptorChatter happy to help man! Keep crushing it!! 🙌
They look like they would fall forward all the time
In some ways, but remember the lungs and other organs are towards the front, so would be lighter than just muscle mass.
When you're looking for an Ark video and land here ... but continue to watch because it's interesting. 😅
Between the thickened skull, potentially semi-aquatic lifestyle and its name, Moschops reminds me more of a Permian water buffalo than a hippo. Of course, the dentition is quite different, but given that grass didn't exist back then it's pretty understandable.
13:55/13:56 Basically it's the Permian version of our mammalian pachyderms and hoofstock
Cool channel, glad I stumbled upon you.
Glad you enjoy it!
Invicta (British Museum) made a pretty good little Moschops that I still have. Its the only figure of that animal that I know of.
there's also a marx figure, as well as a promotional figure you could find in Europe ; distributed by the brands Ovomaltine, Henkel and Yoplait
Ayy, the OG fiber gatherer
I like to think of Moschops as a "sail-less" dimetrodon.
Kinda. It would still have been more herbivorous, but like Dimetrodon it was an early branch on the lineage which would eventually lead to the mammals.
@@RaptorChatter yeah.
These humble plodders are like a reified version of the rather insulting early victorian depictions of dinosaurs.
I have had this personal dinosaur fringe theory even though I am in no way shape or form an expert for years. I call it the moschops trash chute theory. Basically the idea is that because it lived in a more arid period of the Permian that the plants they ate were tough to digest (and it could even have swallowed rocks) it developed a large stomach and large esophagus where the guy would barely have to even swallow they would just sort of use their teeth to rake the leaves off and their lower jaw functioned like a shovel and the plant material would just slither down its throat with minimal effort.
These barrel bodied ancient animals are so strange. How on earth would that kind of anatomy be any effective lol
12:53 That's where Ankylosaurus and Ankylosauridae got its name from.
It is the best early game tame
Maybe I missed it but maybe its weird shape was due in part ot maintaining a large gut to digest those fibrous cyclads etc? that it was the first step in evolutionary problem solving, to be able to raise the front legs up allowed more room for a larger belly. Raising the back legs would come later. So yeah, it would be interesting to see its predecessors and what came after. Of course, at some point what came after was the lystrosauras which also solved the evolutionary problem of getting through the Permian. Enjoyed the snapshot of time format here.
I'd even probably bet on that. Most herbivores historically have been hind gut digesters. As opposed to things like cows which have four stomachs and digest mostly in the foregut. So it probably had a lot of intestines for that digestion. Almost like a slanted horse
I had the Playskool Definitely Dinosaurs Moschops as a kid, so I have a soft spot for it.
Yeah, it's one of the odd synapsids which actually got at least somewhat known because of a few toys and other media representation about it.
What's the status on this year's May recap?
You have successfully summoned the ark players
9:42/9:47 Or the Pachycephalosaurs because of what you mentioned at 1:02?
Looks like the critter in "Ghostbusters".
Zuul
No, Zuul is an ankylosaur, scientifically named. Let me know if you want to know more about it
MVP of starter Dino in ark
That shirt is seriously awesome.
Thanks. I think I got it on clearance from REI. Marmot is the brand.
14:27 I know that C.M. Koseman did something like that with the para-reptiles.
I remember in E.V.O Search for Eden having to fight these guys. They hid in the ground and leapt out to attack you. Obnoxious punks, but that game is what got me into biology as a whole.
It's always interesting to see what can get people interested, especially because there's so many different starting points.
Ok but like... Imagine if they and their relatives lived to today. Firstly a dog sized one sounds adorable. Second, you're 10 years old, time to start your Pokemon journey take this thing.
This channel is pretty good
Thanks!
A very easy first tame
They are so cute!
Great content 💪😎🤘
Moschops (cute name!) reminds me of a big cow in many ways. I wonder if it had more than one stomach? It may have chewed the food a second time like cows do. The type, herbivore with sturdy teeth, eating tough plants that need to be fermented in the stomach or chewed again, seems to have evolved many times. Convergent evolution! 😀
I would be surprised if they had more than one stomach. Ruminant mammals are really the only herbivores with something like that, so it'd be surprising for them to show up somewhere else. If anything it was probably a large hind gut like a horse.
@@RaptorChatter Maybe they swallowed stones to help with digestion, like some dinosaurs and birds.
I love the moschops in ark
It's the passive, polymer, puppy
Moschops had a pack of smokes and no lighter.
Gary Larson was right fossil animals went extinct because they smoked too much.
When I get recommended this video because of ark survival 2 trailer
Ooh, I had forgotten that that trailer came out. I also wasn't aware that Moschops was in that game until I was looking for photos during editing.
ah someone knows of Moschops! as a child there was a show with the same name, i had always assumed it was made up until i learnt about the creature from books, years later.
I wasn't actually aware of that until I saw a few other comments about it. Now I wish I had known before I made the video. I had seen it in some of my books as a kid though.
I always call my moschops in ark dogy from on
It has the posture of a large beefy hyena but a totally different animal.
In some ways. it's be interesting to see if they had it for similar reasons, but I'm not much for a biomechanicist.
Beautiful name
Everyone mentioning moschops from a video game, but not the kids tv show makes me feel old.
I know him very well from ark survival