Nice coaches . By the way the ones you describe as centenary coaches are actually LMS 57’ Mainline coaches . Centenary coaches are GWR coaches with inset doors and were made by Airfix/Dapol/Hornby . These are quite different . Like the t shirt! Interesting find on the wheels .
I just wanted to say a big thank you 🙏 for your channel, it has been and is a great help and the understanding of the workings you impart, is fantastic: Thank you very much.
A couple of years ago I added lighting to the same coaches using hornby one side insulated wheels and I had to file the axle ends down a small amount to allow them to spin freely in the side frames. Cheers Alan from Christchurch New Zealand
Hi Bill. I might be slightly late to the party on this one but the Hornby axles have pinpoint bearings whereas the Mainline one's don't. This increases the pressure on the point so they are a tighter fit. I hope this helps. Regards.
Bill I use Romford wheels and top hat bearings. Nothing is better. Bearings installed via soldering iron melted into the original chassis holes the axles originally slotted into . Best wishes Steve
Nice upgrade. I have flush glazed 3 mainline mark 1s and they look great. With regards wheel replacements I do find the new wheels you can buy have long axles and very shallow flanges which are unforgiving if you put them on a kit wagon which is not quite true.
Mainline coaches were a real step up in terms of look and detail when they came out - but the all plastic wheels were always shocking. You may find that you need to fit bearing cups in the bogie frames in order for the new wheels to run smooth, or you may find that the Hornby axles are slightly longer and that there pointed end is being forced into the plastic, causing a lot of friction.
Yeah sounds likely with the wheels. Filing the ends of axles on the new wheels a little to stop them digging in might work. The old steel rimmed ones work fine though.
I might have been bidding against you for the 3 blood & custard mk 1's. In the end, I just bought a single brake, as these are often seen as a service coach on mainline tours. This livery was missing from my collection. Strange problem with those wheels, but you solved the issue!
On your BR blood and custard coaches from Ebay the item hanging down behind one bogie represents an axle driven generator to charge the batteries which provide electricity to the car.
@@oobill NEM pockets are supposed to be standard but they aren't. For them to work properly you need a homemade jig to ensure that the pocket itself it set to the correct height off the track. As you say there are long ones and short ones and medium ones - depends upon the radius of your curves and you need to experiment to see if you get buffer lock. The Hunts are much easier for coaches. For wagons I try to standardise on Mainline/Bachmann Medium tension lock coupling if I can.
Hey Bill, Great layout. Can you tell me what are the angles of the diamond crossings you used, Also the angles of the switch track (points) you used. Thank you . I would appreciate your reply.
@@oobill in old money yes lol. As for the hornby wheels...did you check that they were the same diameter and that they weren't touching the coach base when placed on track? I've had same problem before myself.
@@gs425 They certainly aren't bigger but it's possible that they rest higher due to the smaller axle end. That makes sense as the steel rimmed wheels are slightly smaller. So bearings would be needed. Or cut slots in the underside of the coaches....
@@oobill aha! Sounds like you've cracked it! Although I have to add that I've never felt my mainline stock struggles with the plastic wheels, but like you say even 1970s hornby metal rimmed coaches just glide along . Cheers Gary
Hi, very interesting videos. Can I ask what track you are using? Is it system 6?. I have a layout in an outside shed which I have not used for years, I sold all the stock some time ago. Rather than new models I want to run the same era models as yourself. My layout uses the standard peco track and I am wondering if the older triang/hornby will run on it. Thanks Bri
I just use the modern standard Hornby track. The only issue I have is with points and crossing as some locos wheel flanges are too big. However, filing down the frogs to deepen them gives just enough clearance.
Painting the glazing recess a neutral dark grey improves older coaches enormously. It makes the gap look like a reflection instead of a 9" shelf.
Nice coaches . By the way the ones you describe as centenary coaches are actually LMS 57’ Mainline coaches . Centenary coaches are GWR coaches with inset doors and were made by Airfix/Dapol/Hornby . These are quite different . Like the t shirt! Interesting find on the wheels .
That class 29 is a lovely looking locomotive
Yeah I've always liked the 29 along with the 35 and 37. I'd like to have all three in both blue and green liveries.
I just wanted to say a big thank you 🙏 for your channel, it has been and is a great help and the understanding of the workings you impart, is fantastic: Thank you very much.
A couple of years ago I added lighting to the same coaches using hornby one side insulated wheels and I had to file the axle ends down a small amount to allow them to spin freely in the side frames. Cheers Alan from Christchurch New Zealand
Hi Bill. I might be slightly late to the party on this one but the Hornby axles have pinpoint bearings whereas the Mainline one's don't. This increases the pressure on the point so they are a tighter fit. I hope this helps. Regards.
Bill I use Romford wheels and top hat bearings. Nothing is better. Bearings installed via soldering iron melted into the original chassis holes the axles originally slotted into . Best wishes Steve
Nice upgrade. I have flush glazed 3 mainline mark 1s and they look great. With regards wheel replacements I do find the new wheels you can buy have long axles and very shallow flanges which are unforgiving if you put them on a kit wagon which is not quite true.
Excellent find, Very interesting on the coupling front, may consider doing that to my mainline stock
Mainline coaches were a real step up in terms of look and detail when they came out - but the all plastic wheels were always shocking. You may find that you need to fit bearing cups in the bogie frames in order for the new wheels to run smooth, or you may find that the Hornby axles are slightly longer and that there pointed end is being forced into the plastic, causing a lot of friction.
Yeah sounds likely with the wheels. Filing the ends of axles on the new wheels a little to stop them digging in might work. The old steel rimmed ones work fine though.
I might have been bidding against you for the 3 blood & custard mk 1's.
In the end, I just bought a single brake, as these are often seen as a service coach on mainline tours.
This livery was missing from my collection. Strange problem with those wheels, but you solved the issue!
On your BR blood and custard coaches from Ebay the item hanging down behind one bogie represents an axle driven generator to charge the batteries which provide electricity to the car.
HiBill. For close unobtrusive coupling of coaches, I suggest the magnetic Hunt couplings (just for the centre and adjoining coaches).
Yeah I've looked at them and like the idea. I'm a little puzzled by NEM pockets though there seems to be a few different sorts.
@@oobill NEM pockets are supposed to be standard but they aren't. For them to work properly you need a homemade jig to ensure that the pocket itself it set to the correct height off the track. As you say there are long ones and short ones and medium ones - depends upon the radius of your curves and you need to experiment to see if you get buffer lock. The Hunts are much easier for coaches. For wagons I try to standardise on Mainline/Bachmann Medium tension lock coupling if I can.
Hey Bill, Great layout. Can you tell me what are the angles of the diamond crossings you used, Also the angles of the switch track (points) you used. Thank you . I would appreciate your reply.
Mainline coaches run better with Bachman Wheels. The Hornby wheel axles maybe slightly longer and are a tighter fit in the Mainline Bogie Axle boxes
Hi Bill. The lump you cut off would have been the generator in real life, run off the nearest axle via a flat belt.
Ah a big dynamo.
@@oobill in old money yes lol. As for the hornby wheels...did you check that they were the same diameter and that they weren't touching the coach base when placed on track? I've had same problem before myself.
@@gs425 They certainly aren't bigger but it's possible that they rest higher due to the smaller axle end. That makes sense as the steel rimmed wheels are slightly smaller. So bearings would be needed. Or cut slots in the underside of the coaches....
@@oobill aha! Sounds like you've cracked it! Although I have to add that I've never felt my mainline stock struggles with the plastic wheels, but like you say even 1970s hornby metal rimmed coaches just glide along . Cheers Gary
Hi, very interesting videos. Can I ask what track you are using? Is it system 6?. I have a layout in an outside shed which I have not used for years, I sold all the stock some time ago. Rather than new models I want to run the same era models as yourself. My layout uses the standard peco track and I am wondering if the older triang/hornby will run on it. Thanks Bri
I just use the modern standard Hornby track. The only issue I have is with points and crossing as some locos wheel flanges are too big. However, filing down the frogs to deepen them gives just enough clearance.
Those look like SK coaches to me, not composites. They have eight bays, composites have seven, four wider spaced first class and three second.