integral of sqrt(1+x^2)/x vs integral of x/sqrt(1+x^2)

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  • NOTE: it's possible to do u sub for the integral of sqrt(1+x^2)/x as well. Thanks to usuario0002hotmail for pointing out.
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  • @h4c_18
    @h4c_18 6 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I used u=sqrt(1+x^2) -> x=sqrt(u^2-1) on the left side integral, and I got the answer after some division :P

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  6 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Ah, yes you are right! I shouldn't be lazy to not give u sub a try for the left one. : )

    • @moregirl4585
      @moregirl4585 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      =int(u^2/(u^2-1))du ?

    • @h4c_18
      @h4c_18 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah that's the one, More Girl

    • @skateboarddude8260
      @skateboarddude8260 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@moregirl4585 wouldn't it be integral(u/sqrt(u^2 -1))du

    • @EarlyMonAF
      @EarlyMonAF 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Instead of division I decided to try _wouldn't it be nice._
      ∫ u²/(u²-1) du
      ∫ (u²-1+1)/(u²-1) du
      ∫ 1 + 1/(u²-1) du
      u - ∫ 1/(1-u²) du
      u - tanh¯¹ (u) + _c_
      Or
      u - ½ln |(u+1)/(1-u)| + _c_
      Or
      u - ½ln |(u+1)/(u-1)| + _c_
      Or
      u + ½ln |(u-1)/(u+1)| + _c_
      (and substitute back from u=√(1+x²), I'm not going to retype everything here ok)
      To my surprise, there are a lot of variations for the second term.

  • @AndDiracisHisProphet
    @AndDiracisHisProphet 6 ปีที่แล้ว +182

    Don't drink and derive!

  • @quahntasy
    @quahntasy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    My favourite math guy on TH-cam with his spherical microphone.
    Love it.

  • @abigailmedeltoxtle9548
    @abigailmedeltoxtle9548 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You always save me from my calculus homework, thank you so much!

    • @binodtharu8348
      @binodtharu8348 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi! Same here
      Btw from which country are u?

  • @NikitaNair
    @NikitaNair 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️
    You are my most favourite TH-camr right now!!!

  • @Ani
    @Ani 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    thank you for this, really well explained :D

  • @kanchanmoon777
    @kanchanmoon777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you so much . Earlier i was doing it with 1+x²= t method . Thanks for teaching me this ❤️❤️

  • @theimmux3034
    @theimmux3034 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've only had an introductory course on integration. We weren't taught any of the common integration techniques like u-sub, integration by parts, partial fractions, trig sub, you name it. We only had integrals like the integral of x/(1-x^2) which we did by the definition of the integral (you'll even see me employ this kind of thinking in this answer). Anyway, my point is that I haven't yet learned any of this trig sub business so I went the algebraic way. Here's how I did the integral on the left:
    ∫ √(1 + x²) / x dx
    U-sub:
    u = √(1 + x²)
    u² = 1 + x²
    x² = u² - 1
    x = √(u² - 1)
    dx = 1 / 2√(u² - 1) * 2udu
    dx = u / √(u² - 1) du
    ∫ √(1 + x²) / x dx
    = ∫ (u / √(u² - 1)) * (u / √(u² - 1)) du
    = ∫ (u / √(u² - 1))² du
    = ∫ u² / (u² - 1) du
    = ∫ (u² - 1 + 1) / (u² - 1) du
    = ∫ (u² - 1) / (u² - 1) + 1 / (u² - 1) du
    = ∫ 1 + 1 / (u² - 1) du
    = u + ∫ 1 / (u² - 1) du
    = u - ∫ 1 / -(u² - 1) du
    = u - ∫ 1 / (1 - u²) du
    = u - ∫ (1 - u + u) / (1 - u²) du
    = u - ∫ (1 - u + u) / ((1 - u)(1 + u)) du
    = u - ∫ (1 - u) / ((1 - u)(1 + u)) + u / ((1 - u)(1 + u)) du
    = u - ∫ 1 / (1 + u) + u / ((1 - u)(1 + u)) du
    = u - ln|1+ u| - ∫ u / ((1 - u)(1 + u)) du
    = u - ln|1+ u| - ∫ u / (1 - u²) du
    We wanna have the nominator be multiplied by -2 -- you'll soon see why. In order not to change the question, let's also multiply the whole integral by -1/2:
    = u - ln|1 + u| - (-1/2) * ∫ -2u / (1 - u²) du
    Now you see, the nominator is the derivative of the denominator inside the integral. Recall that d/dx ln(f(x)) = f'(x) / f(x).
    = u - ln|1 + u| - (-1/2) * ln|1 - u²| + C
    = u - ln|1 + u| + 1/2 * ln|1 - u²| + C
    Let's convert the answer back into terms of x:
    = √(1 + x²) - ln|1 + √(1 + x²)| + 1/2 * ln|1 - (1 + x²)| + C
    The function inside the first natural logarithm is always positive so we may remove the absolute value signs from there:
    = √(1 + x²) - ln(1 + √(1 + x²)) + 1/2 * ln|1 - 1 - x²| + C
    = √(1 + x²) - ln(1 + √(1 + x²)) + 1/2 * ln|-x²| + C
    = √(1 + x²) - ln(1 + √(1 + x²)) + 1/2 * ln(x²) + C
    Minding that √(x²) = |x|, let's simplify the second natural logarithm:
    = √(1 + x²) - ln(1 + √(1 + x²)) + ln|x| + C
    = √(1 + x²) + ln|x| - ln(1 + √(1 + x²)) + C
    = √(1 + x²) + ln(|x| / (1 + √(1 + x²))) + C
    This is essentially the same function that bprp answers with, you may check yourself.

  • @sheikhsehar33
    @sheikhsehar33 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You've always been my life saver in exams

  • @odinfeidje-baug8938
    @odinfeidje-baug8938 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I like the U-world best. The best part of this video is that the pen fell on the floor twice.

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    @hacci2892 4 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @mcmage5250
    @mcmage5250 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I like U world cause it can also transform into V world and W world and those are my favorites. Theta world will get messy if you take it to another world

  • @peterdhaile
    @peterdhaile 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your videos, thanks for making them!

  • @morganvoissem1392
    @morganvoissem1392 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You have the BEST explanations!! Thank you so much for all of the math help ^_^

  • @UKPEINDANIELU.
    @UKPEINDANIELU. 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic explanation

  • @ralfbodemann1542
    @ralfbodemann1542 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for allowing us to watch an integral battle turn into a three markers battle!
    I don't prefer any world over the other. I enter them when I assume they might help me solve an integral.
    Btw: The theta world also helps for the integral on the right side.

  • @davidcruz1469
    @davidcruz1469 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i was fighting for my life over the problem on the left. gracias carnal que te llegue todos los bendiciones del mundo

  • @robertisemer3978
    @robertisemer3978 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thx for your vids they are awesome

  • @RB_Universe_TV
    @RB_Universe_TV 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    5:46 I seriously wrote this as sine and cosine and did integration by parts💀 what you have done would have been much simpler

  • @idavid8128
    @idavid8128 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @gauranshjuneja8855
    @gauranshjuneja8855 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For the first integral i put √1+x²=t² and boom . But its a simple pattern you can observe that if the derivative of denominator is coming in numerator the answer is denominator itself

  • @ctrlaltcreate3827
    @ctrlaltcreate3827 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The theta world is becoming my favorite! It’s satisfying to see the problem come full circle

  • @btsworld4407
    @btsworld4407 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thnku sir 😊

  • @MyDavidrock
    @MyDavidrock 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    sorry, sir. why is the answer of integral csc x = ln (cscx-cotx) instead of -ln(cscx+cotx) like in your other video?

  • @golammartuzahossain6748
    @golammartuzahossain6748 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Well the integral on the right side could've been done in a more easier way by making the substitution u=sqrt(1+x^2)

  • @laxmisammangi
    @laxmisammangi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a explaination sir ,jai bharath.

  • @BluePi3142
    @BluePi3142 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The theta world generally becomes more triggy than the u.
    #YAY

  • @Ironmonk036
    @Ironmonk036 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:50 Oh hell no! Mind totally blown. I had to watch that part at least 5 times.

  • @juanortegon193
    @juanortegon193 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent professor. Easy to understand.

  • @Sid-ix5qr
    @Sid-ix5qr 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

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    Effects at 3:41 and 6:42.

  • @fountainovaphilosopher8112
    @fountainovaphilosopher8112 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, bprp, very cool!

  • @Santhiv-v4x
    @Santhiv-v4x 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks

  • @MrRyanroberson1
    @MrRyanroberson1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    For the left one:
    Let u = x^2 +1, du is 2xdx.
    We get .5 integral(sqrt(u)/(u-1))du
    And then some trig can be introduced

    • @MG-hi9sh
      @MG-hi9sh 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, that would get very messy, and might not even work.

  • @Mulla-alyusufi
    @Mulla-alyusufi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Final exam is tomorrow.... I m still struggling with trig identities 😢😢

  • @sudiptaranikora4742
    @sudiptaranikora4742 4 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @chandansharma4541
    @chandansharma4541 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks 😮

  • @g00zik97
    @g00zik97 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    on todays maths test our teacher gave us the function y=ln(x) and we had to calculate its length over some interval, that example was too powerful for me.

  • @moskthinks9801
    @moskthinks9801 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I used integration by inverse for the left one. I got the inverse function 1/sqrt(x^2-1), whose integral was arcosh(x). I get
    sqrt(1+x^2)-arcosh(sqrt(1+x^2)/|x|)+c

  • @user-kn1zm9vh2y
    @user-kn1zm9vh2y 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks man this really helps

  • @NonTwinBrothers
    @NonTwinBrothers 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:51 I did integration by parts and it somehow worked, lol
    I differentiated cscθ and integrated sec²θ
    In there was a cotθ*tanθ, which nicely canceled out into a 1

  • @aoughlissouhil8877
    @aoughlissouhil8877 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can also use hyperbolic Sub

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    In fact both integrals can be calculated using the same u-sub
    u^2=1+x^2
    1:14 Maybe x is in a wrong place but we can multiply top and bottom by x
    If you look at the result then second Euler substitutiion will look good
    Second Euler substitutiion is hidden in log function
    We could let u be equal the argument of log

    • @yoavcarmel1245
      @yoavcarmel1245 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Right

    • @yoavcarmel1245
      @yoavcarmel1245 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Got sqrt(1+x^2)-arctanh(sqrt(1+x^2)) for the second integral

  • @shashankatak778
    @shashankatak778 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best any easiest method.. I tried 3 to 4 other methods but this' great!

  • @marceloescalantemarrugo6391
    @marceloescalantemarrugo6391 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The integral of csc(x) is not -ln|csc(x) + cot(x)|?
    I think it is a mistake on the video.

    • @anishmathew7593
      @anishmathew7593 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ingl cosecx is log[cosecx-cotx], correct

    • @alvindrajaya3878
      @alvindrajaya3878 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anishmathew7593 no,, that is not correct. You can differentiate it to proof it

    • @anishmathew7593
      @anishmathew7593 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alvindrajaya3878 yes, it is log(cosecx-cotx) . You simply differentiate this by chain rule you wl get it as *cosecx*

    • @anishmathew7593
      @anishmathew7593 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alvindrajaya3878
      [1/(cosex-cotx)] × (-cosecx. cotx+ cose^2x)
      ie, cosecx( -cotx+cosecx)/(cosecx-cotx)
      ie, *cosecx*

    • @dolife2659
      @dolife2659 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anishmathew7593 both work, -ln|csc(x)+cot(x)| is also correct

  • @24Eric
    @24Eric 6 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @omarifady
    @omarifady 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Actually you CAN solve this without trig sub! I wondered why you did it with the trig sub , you can let u=sqrt(1+x^2) and everything will go well!

  • @felixpattinson
    @felixpattinson 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolute value of ln is not necessary as the hypotenuse is longer than any other side.

  • @ericksandoval3077
    @ericksandoval3077 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank u guy

  • @kellielu6746
    @kellielu6746 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    isnt the integral of csc equal to -ln(cscx+cotx)

  • @jayrinahomytellezperez6750
    @jayrinahomytellezperez6750 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bien explicado, gracias!

  • @lollmao2791
    @lollmao2791 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much

  • @thomasblackwell9507
    @thomasblackwell9507 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As long as u (you) are in the theta world; Iike them both.

  • @marcushendriksen8415
    @marcushendriksen8415 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the theta world, because trig substitutions are so intuitive and flexible; everything makes perfect sense there. Don't get me wrong, the u world is good too, but much less intuitive (from my pov)

  • @taranmellacheruvu2504
    @taranmellacheruvu2504 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:27 I multiplied the top and bottom by tanθ and then set u = secθ.
    du = secθtanθdθ
    There’s already secθtanθdθ in the numerator of the fraction so I subbed in du for that.
    I was left with:
    Int u^2 / (u^2 - 1) du
    Int (u^2 - 1 + 1) / (u^2 - 1) du
    Int 1 + (1 / (u^2 - 1)) du
    Then, I did partial fraction decomposition.
    It was quite messy from there.

  • @tofu8676
    @tofu8676 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    lol i thought you meant the left one was the easy one so i started with left and had to derive sqrt(1+x^2) at one point and got the answer for the right one by accident :D

  • @abdurrahimberisha4821
    @abdurrahimberisha4821 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you can solve it without trigonometric functions by multiplying with x/x you can find a very nice and fast soltioun

  • @herbie_the_hillbillie_goat
    @herbie_the_hillbillie_goat 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is why he's not Blackpen Redpen Bluepen :D

  • @reeeeeplease1178
    @reeeeeplease1178 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So if you compare the answers, shouldnt you be able to get the ln|...| value to zero somehow? If it was a constant term then it would disappear into the c but it has x so...?

  • @איתןגרינזייד
    @איתןגרינזייד 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was actually able to do this, yay!

  • @JohnSmith-iu3fc
    @JohnSmith-iu3fc 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always thank you for your good lectures. But, integral of cosec x has wrong p/n sings. In other videos, you have s right solution.
    You'd better use integration by parts in integral of squrt (1+x^2)/ x dx

  • @uzdefrederic1055
    @uzdefrederic1055 ปีที่แล้ว

    4'16'': I was wondering: why not considering absolute value of sec theta ?

  • @paulpablozaire9826
    @paulpablozaire9826 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why do we stil have the sec yet we had replaced it with 1/cos which I has been crossed....?

  • @jmccullough975
    @jmccullough975 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why can’t we do a U-Sub on the left?

  • @feliperodrigues6736
    @feliperodrigues6736 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great videos!!!

  • @ahmadmadkhanah7649
    @ahmadmadkhanah7649 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    To be fair u could get rid of the (1/x) that is inside the Ln
    But still awesome
    Thanks for helping me out in calculus 2

  • @antoniocampos9721
    @antoniocampos9721 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks man....I tried item a) so hard and didn't find the right answer.

  • @vaishalijoshi420
    @vaishalijoshi420 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicely explained 🙏

  • @rupamsingh9787
    @rupamsingh9787 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Superb buddy

  • @jakobpshimweefeleni64
    @jakobpshimweefeleni64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jhu used a bluePen

  • @timelinebeast
    @timelinebeast 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    U world forever

  • @davedonnie6425
    @davedonnie6425 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure sqrt(1+x^2)/x - 1/x is always positive so i dont think you need the absolute value

  • @srpenguinbr
    @srpenguinbr 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    For the first one, use u=sqrt(1+x^2)

  • @lyranii6910
    @lyranii6910 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for explaining. 🤓

  • @Aruthicon
    @Aruthicon 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I prefer to memorize the integral of csc t as log tan(t/2) + C.

  • @krishchaudhary5164
    @krishchaudhary5164 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thnks

  • @gdgtrfbdbtcn4049
    @gdgtrfbdbtcn4049 ปีที่แล้ว

    So very nice but sir you put wrong value of cos x in last step .You put 1/x but the true value is (1/√(x²+1).......

  • @aryangoyar9170
    @aryangoyar9170 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    We should do by partial integration also

  • @TheHuesSciTech
    @TheHuesSciTech 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wolfram Alpha gives the same answer for the left integral, but without the absolute value bit. Which is more correct?

  • @modaralnajjar7664
    @modaralnajjar7664 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's amezing isin't it

  • @MrSkaterview
    @MrSkaterview 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    eu te amo

  • @dwighthebert4052
    @dwighthebert4052 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does the video brightness vary for everybody or just me. It’s very distracting.

  • @punyasingha2855
    @punyasingha2855 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a video on the integration x-1/√x^2-x

  • @abay669
    @abay669 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    how do we know the integral of csc theta? remember or caculate? tnx

  • @tajpa100
    @tajpa100 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    why can I consider ((secx) ^ 2) ^ (1/2) is sec (x) and not Abs [sec (x)]?

  • @sarthakmathur5013
    @sarthakmathur5013 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:10 sec/tan=cosec. So I used D-I method on cosec * sec^2.

  • @MaTrIXBaws
    @MaTrIXBaws 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't worry BPRP, you'll be able to hold 3 markers in no time. Practice!

  • @matrixstuff3512
    @matrixstuff3512 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Left would be really easy with a hyperbolic trig sub

  • @GOLDman4856
    @GOLDman4856 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Antiderivative of cscx is -ln|cscx + cotx|

  • @asimmitra7255
    @asimmitra7255 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are great

  • @tuaherman6302
    @tuaherman6302 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Math exam in 2 weeks and the first equation just made me confused
    LoL RiP

  • @fuentesjuan6008
    @fuentesjuan6008 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    buenaaaa :D

  • @prosperogaming4172
    @prosperogaming4172 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just multiply both sides with zero. You'll get the answer quick 🔥💀

  • @rchishray7814
    @rchishray7814 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Post another unedited video with no cuts

  • @namanrameshnayak9254
    @namanrameshnayak9254 ปีที่แล้ว

    A much more simpler solution can be to just put product rule

  • @alfonshomac
    @alfonshomac 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    yooooo I had so much momentum going with the trig sub that I didn't even think of doing u-sub on the integral on the right hahah.
    hahah hey, I got it right tho.

  • @purnimamondal8525
    @purnimamondal8525 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Op

  • @OtherTheDave
    @OtherTheDave 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    My initial reaction is that the one on the left would be harder since there was a possibility of dividing by zero there, but the right equation’s denominator couldn’t be less than 1. Is there any validity to that line of reasoning, or did I just get lucky?

    • @jackdaly2155
      @jackdaly2155 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lucky, since with these integrals we can't use direct substitution in order to answer them, so you wouldn't be able to just plug in a 0 and have that issue. Good question though!

    • @OtherTheDave
      @OtherTheDave 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jack Daly Thanks. Kinda thought so, just because I don’t recall the profs saying anything about that in math class.

  • @lacenabo6950
    @lacenabo6950 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice nice

  • @fahimgodid4221
    @fahimgodid4221 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    May be same result ٠

  • @vladislav_artyukhov
    @vladislav_artyukhov 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Entertainment content :3