The double edged axe is STUPID! - Pop-culture weapons analysed
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The double bladed axe, or double edged axe, also known as the double bitted axe, IS STUPID!! and in this video I dive deep and explain in detail.
Great reply video by Skallagrim giving a bit more context: • Are Double Axes REALLY...
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Great reply video by Skallagrim giving a bit more context on double headed axes: th-cam.com/video/IHvgG3UsYqI/w-d-xo.html
Ok
/-I accept the challenge of proven benefit or superiority of the double-axe
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How is this?
Imagine that the axe in its twin symmetry is actually two 2 paired and axial opposite axes in i n wedlock(so to speak)
The first strike with all the added heft of its mass and the use of both hands for THE FIRST STRIKE!
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where after one nimbly divides the moon and has two bilateral axe-weapons?
But in essence e you are quite right ,Sir
But a minotaur just look so undressed without this two-moon configuration as their armament....
PS thnx for the Campfire blaze shout-out
/-I use it all the time
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@@Cassiel75 that's enough to me
"Shad is stupid" - signed Mr Double Edged Axe
And that day... a rivalry was born...
@@Row_of_E big stick vs double edged axe
"I agree with this respectful gentleman" - signed Mr Nunchucks
😣 By Odins beard! I'll never say no to head!
He’s very inadequate when it comes to using him as a weapon
Next Shadiversity video: "Every weapon that is not a stick is absolute garbage"
A speer may be 10 times as good as the good ol stick but it also takes 20 times as much work to build one.
@@jasperzanovich2504 cut one end to point. You have spear. Not that much work my friend
Well in a sense this is actually legitimately correct. Numchucks, flails, whips, and other such weapons are shit. The only weapons that are legitimately good are sticks.
Think about it, spears, axes, and war picks are sticks with sharp pieces of metal attached. Swords are very thin, sharp, metal sticks. Maces, war hammers, and mauls are sticks with blunt, weighted, metal heads on the end. Pole arms are effectively a mixture of spears, axes, war picks and/or war hammers. Even bows and crossbows use the flexibility and tensile strength of sticks to launch other aerodynamic sticks with sharp pieces of metal on the end. Hell even GUNS are hollow metal sticks that contain miniture explosions in order to launch aerodynamic pieces of copper and lead very accurately at super sonic speeds.
All good weapons are solid sticks.
I can see how that one would go...
Me: Ah, but what about a grenade launcher?
Shad: Basically a hollow metal stick that shoots things. Even a rifle is a hollow metal stick attached to a flat wooden stick and shoots things.
Sling?
Joerg Sprave's slingshots?
"The drip is more important than stats"
- Sun Tzu the drip lord.
The drip of war
The art of drip
The art of drip war
If you in battle drip is matter
Fashion souls
"Say no to too much head!!"
"You speak blasphemy, my good sir. "
Sometimes maybe... you just want to be held, you know?
I will never say no to head hahahaha
Very good arguments, but consider this: "It looks really cool tho".
As cool as a double spoon.
Still objectively better than nunchucks
Man of culture right here
He mentions it around 8:30
@@qwormuli77 Hey! Don't shit on double spoons!
Shad, you missed a crucial advantage of the double edged axe, one that makes it far superior to all other axes: you can use it as an emergency paddle.
A Paddle that doubles as an anchor. Mighty fine design indeed!
Not to mention the emergency shovel.
And in a pinch you can cook 2 steaks or steak and eggs at the same time.
But would it add as much rowing power, that justifies the weight deficit, when compared to a single headed axe?
@@vale.antoni i never big of axe because they can be stuck easy than sword but axe with spike wow that is OP
Shad: "Say 'no' to too much head!"
Kylo Ren: "I know what I have to do.....but I don't know if I have the strength to do it."
> Shad: "Say 'no' to too much head!"
Lmao looked for someone that noticed that
I grew up using an axe as a child, trimming the branches on the trees that my father had felled, using a double bladed axe. I was 6-7 years old, and my father could take a limb off a tree 5-6" thick in a single stroke, and, damn, how I wanted to be that good! He explained to me that the single blade axe was for felling trees, where you worked the axe at 2 angles into the cut (he used a chain saw though!) and you changed the angle with a body-shift and a shift of your grip. When trimming a tree out, the blade had to hit the branch very close to the tree (so that shock wouldn't be absorbed by the springiness of the branch) and at a very precise angle. Cutting a branch off in one swipe isn't about brute strength, it's more akin to the trick of ripping a phone book in half. Anyways, this is what a double bladed axe is really for, it has a balance that a single blade does not have, and in skilled hands, you can be much more precise in your angle, cutting much deeper than you would have managed with your angle slightly off on the head of the axe. By the time I was 12-13, I was able to "walk the trunk" and swing that axe in an almost constant motion, swiping branches off the felled tree in single swipes, up to 4-5".
Branch lopping is a lot easier with a blade in each direction, good point.
I always used a machete, then again, I cut the trees down with a hatchet or said machete because I didn’t have a double axe lol
As a side note, the double bit wood axe is often sharpened differently on each head to create a fine edge and a more wedge shaped edge. The fine edge would be used for felling and bucking, while the stouter edge would be used on knotty sections and for delimbing. If all the tools have to be carried to the job, one less handle and some of an axe head can make a difference. It is also a real advantage if the tree and stump have to both be removed because chopping in the dirt with a fine edged cutting axe is a great way to chip it.
Agreed. One side was more of a blunt sledgehammer and the other was more for a sharp slicing. The extra weight would deal more damage from follow through and shouldn't be used if they were too heavy for you 😜 that's why short handled double blades would be nice for the average person, while the longer ones were more for the Hulk-sized ppl. 👀 I mean, who swings a sledgehammer around all day? One side through the front door, and the other to chop off someone's head? 😱
I think it also works for different wood types, finer edge for softer woods like pine and the stouter edge for harder woods like oak.
Hah came here to say this and see you beat me to it. But I posted anyway to give ore chances for it to be seen
I like the idea of a double headed axe where the back end is more of a blunt tool, like a long, narrow, curved hammer head. There are definitely times where you might need both a blunt and a sharp instrument on a Medieval battlefield, and it's basically coming at the issue from the opposite direction of the warhammer, instead of a blunt weapon with sharp bits added on, a sharp weapon with blunt bits added on.
Agreed. I've found quite a few of them metal detecting, of various ages. Most of them seem to have this type of blade configuration although not all of them do. I suspect the ones that don't are modern made versions and the makers just didn't understand the true point of two edges.
There’s a whole chapter in the Dwarves’ book of grudges about Shad now
Who's Chad?
Except Dwarves are superior in strength and they have literally too much metals... So to them a bit different reality applies...
Australian dwarves are sharpening their boomeraxes.
I don't think so, Dwarves use their axes as tools and weapons.. they might literally only use one side for War and the other for Work.
With that very understanding that some Wood Axes have a sharper chopping edge with the other being in a general wedge shape for bucking off limbs.
I'm certain Dwarven axes are used to cut and chop off mugs of ore from veins..
Thus a Dwarven Axe is purely functional in design.
@@smokejensin1662 Shad's a chad, you know it.
One of the biggest advantages of double bit wood axes is sectional density. A double bit axe can be made heavier without making the head wider. This helped greatly felling the old growth hardwoods that were common place in North America during the 1800s. It wasn't until chainsaws and the need to drive wedges that fellers started carrying single bit axes.
yes, most single blade wood axes are thicker at the back to give added weight to the axe. A double bladed axe is thinner through and has a similar weight. And also, as I said in another post, you have better balance and control over the blade, which can increase the depth of your cut.
@@robertholte2716 You could also have the second edge be duller
@@trenchrat5359 Both ends were sharp when used. They are only meant to be used sideways. That way there is no chance of a rebounding blade coming at you. They are only for felling trees. Never for splitting logs or trimming limbs. A very specialized tool.
Think guy doesn't have the intelligence to comprehend the science behind striking, e= mass and speed squared it also allows for back and forth sweeps without rotating the tool, it is hard to believe that he can't appreciate such a devastating weapon and it's a shame that he would never face anyone skilled with it, try claymore style, a spear would be the awnser, I would take the battle ax he can use his tiny little hatchet and even a shield . And he simply would rue the day he didn't comprehend the strength and power and speed of the large heavy weapon and his reach farrrrrrr to short.
@@edwardperdue8212 and if your enemy gets in close, that big two-handed weapon is useless. it would be really funny to watch someone try to wield an axe in the way you describe.
I would argue the weight on the second head lined up behind the first would nearly double the force of the impact. However, if that is the idea, it would still be wiser to have a different type of head on the backside for flexibility rather than 2 identical heads.
Double bit axe is more aerodynamic. You can whip a double bit faster and with greater accuracy than you would with a single bit. And that factor along with the increased weight means deeper penetration. I don’t know how good it would be in battle, but the double bit axe is excellent for chopping wood. You don’t even need to set your pieces on a chopping block. You can chop wood where it lays. Which means less time spent working and less time bending your back.
Or just weight the end of the handle itself, same effect.
@@jacksonayres6326 first from experience not as stable, and likely to fail.
Not quite double the weight + it takes more work to swing = I'm not sure how all that works out
On a wood chopping axe the 2nd blade is for when the first one starts to get dull, you can flip it around and don't have to sharpen it as often.
Personally, id much rather have a pick, or hammer, on the other side than another bit. Ive never weilded an axe of any kind in melee combat, but i feel like that would be much more versatile and effective.
Double bitted axes are good because trees…tend…not to fight back.
well... I think lumberjack is one of the professions with the most accidents
What about hostile tree ents?
You could say they're rooted in pacifism
@@scariuslvl9987 you're thinking arborist. Being a lumberjack is actually rather safe now it is being an arborist climbing up to the tree and cutting it down from the top is actually the one that gets you killed. The other guys in the industry who die really often are the chain pullers. So Lumberjack cuts down the tree then the chain puller hooks up the chain and then the chain pulls the log back to the processing centre. When the tension first goes on the Chain sometimes snap sometimes they tense up right away and if you're in the path of the chain it can take yer arm or leg off. It's a rare thing that The Lumberjack actually dies because Lumberjacks are clear cutting trees normally they have tools and equipment that either keep them safe or they're cutting the trees and such a way they don't need to worry about things like widow-makers which arborist still need to concern themselves with.
@@scariuslvl9987 is it that the profession has more injuries because of the tools, or the idiot that looks at it and says "I can do that just as good as that guy. Hey George, hold my ale!"
Just saw a video where a woman fails to chop a piece of wood, causing the axe to bounce back into her forehead, and I immediately thought, "So that's why they aren't double sided!" 0_0
They make double-bladed wood axes though......
@@rogerramiussergeialexander5541 Natural selection, those who don't get a darwin aaward remain.
@@jugglejunk ah, a fellow Brandon Herrera fan.
@@rogerramiussergeialexander5541 You are correct, and they work just fine if you know how to swing it.
@@yodasmomisondrugs7959 How did you know?
Shad, I have a great answer to your question of what use a double-bit axe is, and it's a classic one at that: the swinging axe dungeon trap!
Kinda tempting to put a nice spike on the back of that axe trap 😂
My husband has told me that if you are on a horse, it would be highly awkward to use the back edge. And you may take out your own mount. He also pointed out to me that with these axes, an enemy with a sword may be able to hook the ax with their sword and yank it out of your hands. Less chance of that happening with a single. You have a good grip on it.
Skill issue.
"Big stick energy"
"Say no to too much head"
I'm sensing a theme here
He loves his innuendos
I’m sorry but you have a dirty mind
He's also been saying "context" a lot. Omg! SHAD IS MATT EASTON IN DISGUISE!
The theme is weapons, of course.
Nunchuck critique in the past: *'BIG STICK ENERGY'*
Battleaxe critique in the present: *'SAY NO TO TOO MUCH HEAD'*
Arrow critique in the future: *'THE RIGHT SHAFT MATTERS'*
The reason's double headed axes have value: While barrel riding and you have to tap many goblins in rapid succession. Since all you have to do is tap a goblin with an axe to kill it (as we see in the historical films "The Hobbit") you don't need the extra power swing. Considering this, you could be very efficient in holding the axe straight out in front of you and just swiping left and right like you're using a metal detector and you'd be able to kill enemies by the trillions.
That comment made my day mate^^
I know this is a joke, but Shad already made a video on how unrealistic barrel riding is.
@@JoicPersonal That's why he made the joke...
@@WlLDEHlLDE Yeah I don't live up to my username
So, like a scythe?
That's kinda the motion you do, when you're using a scythe to cut grass.
You're pretty much harvesting the goblins
I think the only real benefit to having a second head on a battleaxe would actually be the added weight. And yes, that's also a detriment, but if you're trying to land devastating blows (especially with a blunted axe head!), more weight means more power, which will lead to a lot more damage. That being said, if that's the reason you want more weight in an axe head and you're willing and able to handle a heavier axe, just... put a hammer head on the other side... Something akin to the Venetian poleaxe. That way you have the extra weight to deliver a devastating blow, AND you have the option of making using a hammer head or an axe head
On a wood chopping axe the 2nd blade is for when the first one starts to get dull, you can flip it around and don't have to sharpen it as often.
Would that be useful on a battle axe?
"Say no to too much head, okay?"
The most valuable lesson of the entire video.
“If I only had an hour to chop down a tree, I would spend the first 45 minutes sharpening my axe.” - Abraham Lincoln.
Abraham Lincoln couldn’t have said that, because he is dead
@@mintyflimple3221 lmfao 🤣
that was a joke yes?
@@mintyflimple3221 Galaxy brain
If I only have 1 hour to explain why a double headed is dumb I'll spend the first 45 rambling about ???
@@Phantom-Neon no it isnt a joke, surprisingly abraham lincoln has been dead for over 100 years
First we had "nunchakus are dumb". Now we have "double headed axes are stupid". Next we'll have "not finishing enemies with your pommel isn't righteous"
This is the only way.
Ork fanbase: “HaHa, me choppa’s got two heads to double me choppin’!”
Also minotaurs and cyclops
Hate to be that guy but its orc-
The main axe head would be sharpened for combat and the secondary edge would be sharpened for chopping through wooden barricades
As someone who has felled trees with an axe before, the double bitted axe is really helpful for edge alignment on repeating horizontal strikes. The single bitted axe wants to twist in your hands during a horizontal swing because it's unbalanced. It's not a big deal, but it causes a lot of forearm fatigue after a lot of swings. The double bitted axe really makes the task a lot easier due to it being balanced.
I wonder if the same thing can be said for a double-edged battle axe.
this is unrelated to the theme but it does relate to the weapon: double-bladed axes have been used in Robot Wars and other such competitions. because then you can attack aggressively from both front and back. This has has also been implemented with double-sided ice-picks and they do make interesting and effective weapons.
@@Vilverna It can't really, becasue battle axes have much lighter and thinner heads than ones used in chopping trees, therefore it doesn't strain forearms as much when you try to keep the edge alignment using a battle axe.
I always thought the best part was having a second blade for when the first dulls. Trying to fell some hardwoods can take a toll on the edge. Never thought of the balance aspect.
@@maksymilianpuscian8270 Both of your arguments help to make a point for bronze double edged axes: they made sense because before steel it was not possible to make them lighter and thinner enough to avoid forearm strain without making them too weak.
Tl;dr version: why have a duplicate edge when you have a big fuck off spike/hammer instead?
halberds rise up
Why have edge if you can have spike and hammer?
This post was made by war hammer gang.
After watching this video I attempted to draw an effective double edged axe. I ended up drawing what I googled later to be similar to the bec de Corbin, Lucerne axe, and a polearm smaller headed stormbreaker with a spike. Anyways, I didnt invent anything new and I couldn't make a not-stupid double edged axe, but it got me thinking why lightsabers weren't way longer. Like the light(saber) part of the lightsaber (not the handle) - why it wasn't like 1000 long and then u could just sweep back and forth to destroy everything rly quickly. I would put three jedi with longsabers on top of a destroyer. One would focus on deflecting all the enemy destroyer lasercannons, another would wave around and kill all the TIE fighters, and the third jedi would focus on touching the enemy destroyer shield generators, officer bay, engines, or whatever would K.O. the fastest.
Well, you could argue that maintaining a blade that long would require an absolutely monstrous amount of energy compared to a regular lightsaber.
I know this is an older video, but I wonder about a Witcher-type character using a double bladed axe with one edge steel and the other edge silver. Not as nimble as a sword, but lets you have both options on you without switching weapons, and would help if there are any creatures that must be decapitated to completely stop them. Now, I do realize that Geralt (and presumably other witchers, I haven't actually read the stories/books) don't always carry both swords as in the games, and the same vein of logic could be used to suggest a sword with one steel edge and one silver edge, but I think I could buy the argument of a monster slayer who needs both steel and silver weapons using a double bladed axe without it suspending disbelief too much (especially if decapitation/dismemberment were important).
You could make a pair of axe heads that fit together on one handle to make a double headed axe pretty easily.
Here's an idea: have both of them on the same side of the axe. That way you hit everybody with both.
"Ah," the blacksmith said, "if this double-bitted axe isn't to your liking, perhaps you need something fiercer? I have just the thing; a barb-gripped, triple-bitted, flail axe."
Only if it's made out of Damascus Steel on Forged in Fire.
i'd like mine as a set of nunchuk attachments, please.
With folded steel to make it unbreakable like a katana.
@@forkittens Why stop there? Attach two of them with a small six inch segment of chain and have a nunchaxe
That has got to be the best idea for a Barbarian weapon in D&D. Whew. The statline on that thing would be insane.
The neighbours hearing Shad yell stupid over and over, "Is it about TV show battles? Weapons? Armor? Hammer and nail? Did he lose the barrel?"
then they hear "NO! It's STUPID!"
"Oh, that's gonna be either fantasy weapons or tv show battles"
The best double bit axe I’ve seen recently is the one from Ten Earth Shattering Blows. It has a rather small head and a very long handle, and the wielder uses it much like you would use a poleaxe. Since she often fights multiple enemies at once, it actually is rather practical to not have to worry about turning your blade when trying to strike an enemy with a backswing. I still wish it was a poleaxe, though.
As a note, the two bits on a woodcutting axe are so that you can keep a razor sharp edge for cutting through the meat of the wood where you aren't in danger of damaging it, whereas the other edge is used around roots where it's likely to be damaged bu rocks, dirt ect. Not certain this would apply in combat in any way, just thought it was worth mentioning
Shad- "This weapon is just dumb."
me- "Warhammer go bonk"
The historical warhammers are pretty useful in combat, especially when against armored opponents.
@@spcraftsman2656 They also have a spike on the back for versatility, and I hope to see one used on a cheating ex's car at some point.
@@SirLyonhart Watch Shad's Bec de corbin video
@@FatherAndrew-Scarlet-Priest WAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH
@@GCHumanGuy Yes, the Bec de Corbin is designed similarly, but is a pole arm rather than a 1-handed melee weapon. A shorter weapon would be more practical for modern day carry.
The ultimative Anti-Shad weapon: double-edged axe-chucks! The double axehead is on both nunchuck parts, of course!
Imagine nunchucks with spiked balls on a chain on each end.
Oh god the pain the user would have
That sounds so dangerous to even use
The only way it would be Anti-Shad is if he could be persuaded to use it. Sounds way more dangerous to the user than anyone else.
I can see this appearing in a Devil May Cry game.
The weight is definitely the detriment involved with a double bit axe. Though in it's defense you do get double the parry zone for axes in having two heads as well as more weight for the swing. The second head wouldn't be used unless the first did happen to blunt. Thrusts are super underrated for axes, but is crucial for parry technique.
have you ever held a double bladed axe? they're just as light as a normal axe.
Shad, your videos are amazingly informative and helpful. My only issue is each video could be half the length if you’d just make your points and not repeat yourself so much. I think people with less tolerance for repetition would find the annoyance of hearing points repeated unnecessarily outweighs the amazing amount of great info your videos contain.
he's a good sort, but i've found you can skip the first 8 minutes of most of his vids and don't miss a thing lol
I concur, there is so much time wasted on repetitive statements and complaining. He makes good points but trying to watch his videos is annoying and I end up just skipping forward when it looks like he's going on yet another rant without providing more info.
I think the nunchuck videos probably could have easily been cut down to 20 minutes if you just removed all of that.
“Rocks aren’t a good weapon” Slingers: you’re talking mad shit for someone in rock range
The best ammunition for slingers was lead so even for slingers rocks are inferior.
@@JeRefuseDeBienPrononcerBaleine In fairness, rocks are abundant.
@@JeRefuseDeBienPrononcerBaleine Something you need to prepare beforehand VS something you can pick up off the ground for free literally anywhere
@@zelg.5551 As a slinger you can't just pick any rock off the ground. It need to be a smooth round rock or else you won't be able to hit your enemy. So yeah, both need to be prepared beforehand.
@@JeRefuseDeBienPrononcerBaleine which do you reckon takes more work and consumes a more valuable resource?
"Say no to too much head!"
I disagree with that statement on a deep, existential level.
I was gonna mention that XD That can be taken in the wrong way so easily.
Too much head is also bad for beer. A lot of air, not enough liquid.
There goes the Big Stick Energy.
Sincerely yours: The size 5 helmet gang.(My size, BTW)
Nunchuck critique in the past: *'BIG STICK ENERGY'*
Battleaxe critique in the present: *'SAY NO TO TOO MUCH HEAD'*
Arrow critique in the future: *'THE RIGHT SHAFT MATTERS'*
What if I use my metronome strategy and pong between two opponents back and forth. I think I saw it in an anime once
With the concept of the big sword in your book in mind, I could see a justification for a doublesided axe in a similar "enchantment-driven-gear" fantasy setting
Where you would make the axe from something that didn't add too much extra weight, and each of the two sides would be enchanted with different enchantments (assuming enchantments can't be stacked for example)
Or in a sort of setting where 2 different materials are needed for different targets (The Witcher for example, where Geralt has 2 swords because of that), having one side be made from each type of material could be usefull for the sake of only needing 1 weapon
We do want Gimli's axe, because he didn't have a double-headed axe at this time in the movie. He only got the double-headed axe after visiting Balin's tomb as it was Balin's axe.
yeah he carried multiple bearded axes with him and only fights with Balins axe because its his. He uses it to honor his cousin, Shad is unfortunately misguided and I really hope he apologized to gimli. I trust he will if he learns this information.
Balin discovered the axe in his expedition into Moria as a relic of Durin himself.
@@theronraam23 so it may be a ceremonial weapon that was never intended to be used. Until it was used to honor its original owners
Ceremonial use, of course. That answers everything.
@@GrimnirTheWhite lol
Shad: “Say no to too much head”
Drunk dwarf raising a flagon: “I can drink to that!”
I think the dwarf in the back room getting his knob polished would be voting for more head.
@@charleshetrick3152 I snorted.
Chad Shad starts No Nut in june...
Fuck LOL :)
@@mareczek00713 No Jizz June
*”And if you don’t like double bladed axes f-“*
…uck you?
“ine!”
Oooooh, that makes more sense.
The main problem I see with the dubble handed axe is that one blade is always pointing at you.
The year is 2021. TH-cam is in a state of all-out war as the nunchuck ninjas, left-side elitist archers, and double-bladed axe barbarians have combined their might against the Shadlands. Only the true hero, wielding the mighty Shword, can save us now. But who is worthy to draw this mythic blade/shield from the legendary back-scabbard?
By the power of the SHADLANDS!!!
This is truly beautiful
Okay look us double-bladed axe barbarians still have our pride, don't lump us in with nunchucks.
Thats just rude.
It's a shabbard not a back scabbard
"wielding the might Shword"? Dont you mean the mighty stick?
KID: Dad, Shad is shouting outside his castle again.
DAD: Did he bring his troupe?
Why did this remind me of that comic panel meme, specifically the one with the Crusader..
"Daaaad.. the Saracins are attacking again"
"Avie Marie!"
-breaks through window-
"We must warn the Pope!"
On a sidenote, if someone knows the name of said meme format I would be quite Appreciative.
KID: No, He's alone!
DAD: Small King...
i died (laughing) when Shad, changed mood midway and then back to rage when doing the intro.
The double-bitted axe is good for fighting when outnumbered against poorly-disciplined hordes, allowing you to strike with the backswing against a secondary target.
Or, and hear me out, to hit anyone (horde or not) with the backswing.
Such as when fighting…idk, drunken goblins?
This plan assumes I guess that doubling your weapon weight is somehow easier to manage than turning your wrist.
... If those are hordes of old-growth conifers...
yes yes, guns jam and bullets are finite but try to swing a sword/axe for 20 minutes straight and see how that goes.
In defense of Gimli and his kin: dwarves are much stronger and sturdier than men. They don't tire easily. I don't think weight would be much of an issue. You could make the handle heavier to counterbalance some of the weight - though I think a dwarf could actually prefer the extra weight towards the business end to make it hit as hard as possible. Even so, we can see Gimli's battle axe has holes in it, probably to make it lighter. Speed and agility becomes less of an issue if you have an armour you can rely on and dwarves have the best armour around. Besides, a stocky dwarf will never be as agile as his human opponent anyway. As far as utility of the second bit is concerned; whether fighting the more populous men, orcs or goblins, a dwarf tends to be outnumbered. When fighting multiple enemies, the second bit becomes especially useful when swinging from side to side. Alternatively, a dwarf can keep one side razor sharp for slicing and dicing, while having the other intentionally duller for splitting bones and denting armour. Finally, during long journeys or intense battles, it also makes for a good backup in case one side gets damaged.
This does actually make a decent amount of sense, the only issue I find then is that the dwarves would still probably be better off with spikes and picks, but this is at least not unimaginable
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Yes and no. Yeah, they are generally stronger than the average human, but the weight is distributed in another way, they're much much shorter, and that's a factor you gotta keep in mind. Also, practicing some holes through your axe's head? Yeah, you might as well go and intentionally break it... We never see holes in historical axes, and there's a reason for that. Oh and also, if that can carry heavier weapons they could just make larger heads, that way they would be sturdier and less likely to get damaged.
Obviously Shad's friends never let him play as the Dwarf in Golden Axe.
shad:HE'S GOT A FUCKING WHAT
I understood that reference.
Can someone make this game for me please?
@@harseik7354 Golden Axe is a game. The first installment is from 1989.
@@Devlinator61116 for the genisis right
Actually my reasoning for having a double headed wood axe is that a felling axe and a splitting axe have two different shapes.
So having one axe with both types of heads would be very beneficial
Somehow my youtube browsing got me to part 2 of the response that led me to part 1 that led me here to where it all started.
It is like a double-edged axe mini-series with multiple hosts!
Shad: “SAY NO TO TOO MUCH HEAD!”
Me: “No... I don’t think I will...”
I was looking for this comment😂
Pfp fits
You aint never lied.
No such thing as too much head
Butts ToNutts you say that until she sucks out your soul😂
Shad: analyses an Axe objectively.
Every Dwarf: And i took that personally!
Every Warhammer Inquisitor:
Dwarfes take everything personally.
@@inquisitorbenediktanders3142 I guess Shad is now in their book of grudges. Well in one of them anyway. xD
@@Guderian2 btw the fastest way to wrong a dwarf is asking them what's the fastest way to wrong them.
@@inquisitorbenediktanders3142 by existing you incur the grudge of some dawi somewhere.
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 says the creature that is begrudged by everyone due to you stealing/robbing all their good stuff.
Now I want a video game to have some kind of finisher where you parry an enemy's giant double-edged axe back into his own skull.
Historically, it is good to remember one important aspect - the economy - the steel needed to create one double battle axe is enough to make two normal.
almost no one have represented double axe on historical drawing, because no one had the time to see a warrior with a double edged axe, they all die from heart attack from the awesomeness of this large et viril mass of rough edged metal!
A Symbol of the ancient kingdom of Crete is the double edge axe or Διπλός πέλεκυς which literally translates to double axe to say that it has never been represented is a mistake
I am from Greece xd
Well. Persian double headed axes exist in museums.
@@babisvoid8034 Shad did not say double headed axes were not represented.
He said they did not exist in Medieval pictorial records of in more than a handful of cases, in which case they should be written of as artistic embellishment. A Cretan coat-of-arms is not European, and probably before say the 6th century.
Moreover, Shad did not deny the existence of decorative double edged axes, showing a picture of such at the start. In which category a coat of arms most definitively falls.
I’m curious about those Persian axes. My guess is they were ceremonial, but it’s entirely possible cultures that did not utilize the axe as often did not optimize it’s form. It’s not like Halberds sprang into existence at the same time as Dane axes.
@@liamhogan4369 Hate to break it to you bud, Crete in located in Greece, which is located in Europe. Which makes Crete a European Island. Which makes that Coat-of-arms, European. All that said, you're right, it's not from the time period that Shad is referencing, and you're right that he did not deny the existence of decorative references. But to plainly state that it's not European is a falsehood.
"You could pick up a rock and it's a very good weapon" *jump cut*... Shad clearly went on an hour long rant about how rocks are better than sticks.
...or Nunchucks...
Fancy modern fantasy writers: *put thought and effort into the design philosophy of Hurt You Tool*
Woke: ... have you tried just bashing the mf over the head with the nearest blunt object?
Fantasy writers: You're fired.
I would argue that a stick is better than a rock (given relatively the same quality and weight) and I hate myself for making that argument seriously
YOU ALREADY HAD STICK! STICK VERY GOOD!
Okay, so, hear me out here. What if we took a rock, and put it on the end of a stick?
One of the problems with a single bladed axe is your opposition. For unarmoured opponents a wider, curved blade is going to do more damage, but against an armoured opponent, a narrower profile probably would be better. Also, for unarmoured you'd be better with a thinner blade to again do more damage, while against armour a more wedge-shaped blade to both improve penetration and reduce likelihood of the axe sticking in the armour. So would you carry three weapons (throw in a spear to set against charges) or a double edge (one side wider, thinner blade and the other shorter thicker) with a spike on top and set up as a short halberd?
thanls for the campfire blaze. really helps
Shad - "Double Edged Axe is Stupid"
Ysgramor - "Angry Atmoran Noises"
Ahh, don’t worry ‘bout it. Wuuthrad is still rad.
Shad isn't an elf so he's safe.
(but really Ysgramor's axe is an unusually ugly version of the dumb double headed)
@@poilboiler yep, the flat edges are really ugly :|
And seriously what’s wrong with ysgramor’s armor -_-
And seriously why couldn’t they give him his actual armor when we meet him >
If Wuuthrad was single bitted, it wouldn't have broken, just sayin.
Imagine being a smelly Atmoran unironically-
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Shad is the only TH-camr who can go on a rant and I actively enjoy it
Try Lindybeige, excellent rants there from time to time.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 and Metatron ?
I totally agree cause he actually has a point and they are good points i love his videos
Greg doucette is good but is all about fitnesd
Something I always thought interesting was in Skyrim the legendary daedric battle axe has two heads but not in a conventional way. The daedric axe is a very heavy weapon which gives it its damage as not only is it gonna bleed you but it will crush your bones and make it more affective against armour. However the other head on the axe is significantly smaller which is just a minor way to balance it and give it some more weight
Hmm... You could open two beer bottles at once with a double bladed axe.
Thorgrim Grudgebearer: "Next entry in the Book of Grudges ... Sha-di-ver-si-ty..."
Ye
Grimgor ironhide would agree for once with the stunties
So would ungrim lol
He already sent grombrindal the White dwarf to settled the grudge 😂
Another entry in the Damaz Kron!
14:47
"Say NO to too much head"
That's the best Shadvice I've ever been given.
But.... there is no such thing as too much head!!!
@@benderrodriguez5425 hydra
@@bobfishtheblobfish3619 that's a negative
**sad Hecatoncheires noises**
time stamp?
Also a heavy weight on a wood cutting axe is beneficial up to the point where it becomes difficult to control or causes exhaustion too fast. A double bladed wood axe can have a thinner head and maintain optimal weight by adding the second blade. It's essentially like carrying 2 axes to go chop wood for the day but your backup axe weighs nothing
6:00 "double headed axes *do* exist."
Yay, the video is starting *6 minutes in*
Well, there was about four minutes of venting his spleen before his testimonial advertising.
"Say no to too much head"
-Shadiversity, 2021
Never
That's the one I was looking for.
No such thing😁😁
Dang it you beat me to it
Er handles then?
Shad: insults double edge axes
Dwarfs: "That's going in the book!"
I understood that reference.
Is that warhammer? the book of grudges?
@@TheAstran1 yes
Double bitted wood ax had a utility reason for having two faces. One side was sharpened to a different bevel that made falling the tree more efficient. The other was left with a wider bevel similar to a splitting maul face to produce a more rugged blade for limbing the felled tree.
It can be argued that the additional weight from the second bit of the axe can cause more damage and assist in breaking armor, or can be beneficial when catching enemy weapons or defending from strikes using the axe head.
Then just make the first bit bigger
Again. It's too heavy. Miss once and it'll take too long and too much effort to retract.
And also, it depends really. Gambeson? Definitely. Gambeson with chain? Eh, maybe. Still unlikely to survive though. Plate? No. No chance. A few bruises and broken ribs but no.
Clearly the main point of the second head is for when your opponent's gooey, sticky corpse is stuck to the first head and you still want to cleave a second opponent. The attached corpse of the first opponent also provides additional momentum.
We aren't all Gods tho
*exactly*
Thats kinda what I was thinking. With all the weight on the end cutting/wedgeing into armour would be easier as the weight is on the end giveing more momentum in the blow.
Now your blades stuck in your enemy and another is comeing up on the other side.
You can just swing instead of haveing to spin the axe in your blood slippery hands mid swing
@@TerryAVanguard n more protection for hands in full plate a stance with the axe head as a guard is really good against spears n swords
"What are the benefits of the double bladed axe?"
It looks cool. Efficiency be damned. Fashion Souls is the TRUE End Game.
this
Fear factor as well? Scare people?
Ever since I watched this video I can't un-see all these enormous double-headed axes in literally everything that has any medieval weaponry.
Shad just ranted for 22 minutes looking like a crazy person, talking like he's had one too many energy drinks and I've learned more than in school. Beautiful.
"Shad is wrong"
- every single dwares ever created
The dwemer are more offended by your spelling than your derogatory slang, and worse, if you fix it, you lose Shad’s acknowledgement. Good jobz
🤣
@@AngelNearDestruction oh fuk
HoMM3 battle dwarves have an axe on one side and a hammer on the other.
For a dwarf he probably is - a dwarf generally is described as possessing vastly greater strength and mass than their size would suggest - so a heavy reach weapon actually helps them overcome their diminutive nature... And with all that power behind it you probably don't want a spike on the back - it will get so stuck the first time you stick in somebody through their shield and armour you end up needing a new weapon for every strike - as you can not spare the time to pull it free in the middle of a fight...
"I like my fantasy to be more realistic."
I'm gonna punch that dragon twenty times in a turn and there's nothing you can do to stop me, Shad.
"Fuckin' Monks..."
Meanwhile, an innocent Warlock takes two levels in Fighter to get access to Action Surge and cast Eldritch Blast twice per turn.
"Innocent warlock"
That's a rare find
@@dahelmang there's plenty of pacts that would allow for that, Archfey for example
@@justahologram2230 good point
@@dahelmang *nervous laughter while sweating profusely* Yeah. Totally innocent...
An interesting fact about the double edged axe (particularly the labrys from Greece/Asia Minor shown at 6:40) is that they were ceremonial tools, generally used for altar sacrifices and the like.
Finally a sponsor that really does interest me.
"I'm a writer"
Prove it.
*uses "derth" in a sentence*
I might be just advertising my ignorance, but isn't it 'dearth'?
I just checked. It is dearth, god damn it! Only two likes, smh. 😉
I’m not much of a writer but I’ll give it a go
Someone on the internet has asked me to use the word dearth
Nunchuck critique in the past: *'BIG STICK ENERGY'*
Battleaxe critique in the present: *'SAY NO TO TOO MUCH HEAD'*
Arrow critique in the future: *'THE RIGHT SHAFT MATTERS'*
Sounds like chapters in a Sex Ed book...
@@edkix5701 Congratulations, you have correctly identified the joke.
idk if such a thing as too much head exists
Future analysis of rapiers vs broadswords: 'YOU CAN HAVE LENGTH OR GIRTH BUT NOT BOTH'
Critique of winged spears: 'JUST THE TIP'
One side for the enemy the other for personal hygiene? It's so enjoyable to listen to someone take that is passionate and enthusiastic about their subject. Well done.
my favorite medieval weapon for years has been the halberd. glad to find out that its a great weapon
"SAY NO TO TOO MUCH HEAD"
Thank you, Shad, for promoting healthy and consensual sex.
"Say no to too much head"
great quote
Constructive criticism is the best thing ever. BTW the double bit axes I've used for splitting... one side is filed to a different angle. Penetration vs splitting power
The double-headed axe: perfectly balanced...as all things should be.
Sharpened with only the best Yorkshire tea
Bro that memes been dead for like 2 years
@@gromczar1589 just like yo mama
I’d like to see a true perfectly balanced axe with four heads
But this... does put a smile on my face.
Shad: talks shit about axes
Dwarfs: scribbles in grudge
That's a Grudge.
@@420StepsFromHell yea
FOR THE KARAZ ANKOR!
I hope Shad's children's children's children's children don't plan on buying Dwarven steel.
Golden Axe on Sega Genesis had the dwarf dude with the lowest cost High Power Spell but his melee game was utter trash. Prolly cos his axe was doubleheaded. In a game with AXE in the feckin title.
Needless to say I played as the girl in a bikini the most who could summon a fucking dragon and had a long pointy metal deathstick🐉
Why are you looking at me like that?
I once wrote a fantasy story with a mechanical wind-up knight.
He wielded a double-headed axe which was also the key used to wind him up.
One of the characters I write uses a double-bladed axe as his main weapon, mainly to symbolize his brutal method of fighting, but after seeing your video I might actually consider giving him an axe with more functionality. Even if I rewrite it to resolve the weight issue, the axe he has now is used mostly for attacks from behind, dramatic executions, and all with swings that won’t bounce back towards his skull, blocking and pushing his enemies away the rest of the time. Maybe I can try a Dane Axe or even a Shepherd’s Axe?
Regardless, it’s one of many reasons I appreciate your videos. You really help shed a lot of real-world light on things like this.
Lol its a multi-purpose axe, one side for wood the other side for people.
There should be hammer head on the other side so you can show mercy by hitting people with the blunt side.
Me when I see a double axe head: “That still only counts as one!”
Nice
Nice
Idea for a good double headed axe for defence and powerful attacks. Both edges would be big enough to be a shield and a hinge to make a better shield that cat be locked. The shear weight would be impractical for speed but extremely powerful.
Folks suggesting the double head would add to the damage of a swing, please keep in mind, that the extra damage you'd be getting would only logically be useful in fantasy/fiction settings. The extra damage you would do in real life is not only overkill, but more demanding on your stamina.
Take the bit off Shad's two header and hit someone with what's left? That can still cause crippling damage, if not outright kill. The extra weight isn't worth how much harder it is to swing. Understanding leverage in a weapon attack can go a long way.
Now, fantasy settings, go nuts!
Can't always rely on the force of your hits, you need to think about what the opponent is doing and whether they might decide to dodge the attack instead of deflect or block. Strategy is just as important as the weapon you are using.
Double-headed axes aren't stupid because they're a poor weapon, but rather there are much more effective ways to improve the weapon than a second axe hear (e.g. a spike, hammer, hook, etc.)
You basically just said the same thing as Shad... Just except for the part that you are adding siginificant weight for little to no actual benefit with a mirrored blade (hence making it effectively a poor weapon compared to just not having the extra blade).
@@JarieSuicune Yeah, I was essentially giving a tl;dr, because I personally find it nice to see a short restatement in the comments to help focus my attention on the main point of the video after watching, rather than just letting my mind ramble on about one specific thing
Well here’s why swords are dumb:
Too much head.
Not enough shaft.
Wow cringe moments!!
Ok thrall
double sided innuendo, nice
Take my upvote and be silent.
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When your enemy is wearing armour an axe is just a sharp hammer
i love how you emphatize your love for functionality, i lavit