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Also notice Lauren smoke bombed out of this to save herself - no honor amongst liars
I think the thing that sucks about Conner is how he somehow makes everything about him. Every answer is a 5 min diatribe about how it affected his life and how weird it’s been for him in the past 24 hours and how he takes responsibility as the “moderator”. It’s so odd and annoying.
Yeah taking responsibility for your contribution to a fiery, unproductive debate. Real cringe.
@@counterfireaway The super cringe part of how much water you tried to carry for Sean while throwing yourself under the bus
@@counterfireaway Look we just wished you didn't play so much good faith for Sean, when even Sean doesn't seem to defend himself that much.
I'm still looking forward to your future work on Hippy Dippy
Sitch is ALSO bad faith for carrying water to Adam's dodges.
I enjoy the Ford truck commercial music in the intro
1:00:00 Sean watching his reputation go up in flames - this is sad
conor is such a liar, knows nothing, claims that others are liars, promises to repeat it again
Yeah, when?
Keep huffing that copium
How the hell Lauren or AJW have more than 2500 Subs is amazing. But gives me hope that my 5 yr old can have his own debate stream soon.
Like every Centrist, Independent or Libertarian they are all 3 questions away from all their Core beliefs being completely dismantled as simply as reading the “ entirety” of any proof they provide.
Funny he bends over backwards to defend his position of protecting his grifter friends by pretending to be neutral.
Pisco cooked. MVP of the convo
Sean did not demand they agree with his "ridiculous interpretation".
he said and I'm paraphrasing;
"If we are to move on to a different subject, we must first actually adress the actual promt here which is not what you are talking about. But, if you defer to what we argue which is correct then I am fine with moving on to a different subject."
Sean intentionally took the prompt in a bad faith way and then was unable to shift even a tiny bit when other ways to interpreted it were brought up
@@1123Steveo No, he was literally asked to debete against "If trump is elected, he will end democracy".
Literally. He was not informed about the actual promt. There is no bad faith, you are wrong.
AJW requested that they concede even though Dylan clarified that AJW did not have his interpretation. Why would it be on Disco to concede if they have the interpretation which matches the real debate prompt
@@1123Steveo How did he take the prompt in bad faith? What he was told the prompt was, to argue against "If Trump is re-elected, he will end democracy".
We've been shown proof that he was told that's the subject, Conor confirmed it, we've seen images, so how can you accuse him of bad faith on that?
At least say he was bad faith in refusing to move on.
@@jesusmora6336 He did not have to, Sean merely refused to move on from the subject without the opposition addressing it.
He was not prepared for the other debate, he had already spent his time arguing a different point and was there to argue what was asked of him - not this new thing.
Destiny has lost it... "Connor said, 'sure' or 'ok' and not 'yessir massa Destiny, I sure do agree with everything you just said' '' ... He's building his own villains because he doesn't want to admit its possible Trump could get elected, an we'd still have a county after, so its easier to say half the country i actually clinicaly insane or morally abhorrent...
It is funny, because I was listening to this debate live, and when they went back and forth on the debate topic I went over to my wife who was watching our daughter play on the playground and asked her, "what do you think it means when political parties says "democracy is on the ballot"" she said "I think that means that democracy is going to go away if we do not vote correctly", I was like yea, I think most general people think that is what it means, not some small percent chance it could go away, but that it is actually going to go away if we do not vote correctly.
Abortion has been on the ballot since the mid 80s, when Republicans said they would only appoint pro-life judges. It didn't mean that immediately all abortions would cease but that each time the GOP won they would reverse all abortion orders and funding within their discretion and continue to hack away at RvW.
eventually, they succeeded This is the perfect analogy
Trump attempted to undermine several key facets of the democratic means of the Constitution. Now he has learned from his mistakes and will appoint better people to make sure his plans work this time, or at least hack away at our traditionally held beliefs about the constitution. Will he get it all done in 4 years? No.
Yeah but if you're going to debate a bunch of intellectuals you'll might get a little deeper right? If somebody said they were going to *discuss* why or why not democracy is on the ballot, I would assume they're going to talk about how important, tent-pole functions of democracy are at risk.
@@CordaroBluI would assume the conversation would eventually get to that point sure. But not until the "democracy is on the ballot" side concedes that it's not on the ballot the way most people would interpret that statement. And definitely not in the first couple exchanges to the point where the conversation can't move past it
@@simonsayso7948 why would you ask for a concession from people who say that they never believed that in the first place? That's just bad faith and messing around with optics for no reason. They can ask: "So you don't think he's just going to throw out the Constitution and cancel voting when he gets into office?"
Saying "They need to concede" is just silly and trying to get an unearned point.
@@CordaroBluor you could just say the question is ridiculous given as there was clearly different interpretations. You want to know the real definition of bad faith? Presuming to claim to know people’s minds. Which every single person was doing, in and after the debate, and look what it turned into, look at the shit show Pisco make every time he goes into an argument.
It like watching the Kathy Newman Jordan Peterson conversation on repeat.
I do not understand how the debate is about the prompt? Destiny is just wilding out and im here for it lol.
"Is democracy on the ballot in 2024?"
So Destiny thinks that means "democracy may change in some obscure way if Trump wins, but we can't say exactly how, or if it will even impact future elections at all, but it for sure will happen, SOMEHOW!"
Ridiculous...
The mega clown assed tell for me was he rides Conor's ass over the presuposition that only exists in his mind, that "is democracy on the ballot" and he has now said, well if it is then that surely will be the future case for forever. Destiny isn't even silly enough to think that is the case. That would be so cataclysmically Ahistorical.
Maybe
Or phrased like
"Trump already tried to undermine a host of institutions in the goal of staying in power despite the will of the people, for a second turn, he might do the same."
I got like a good hour into the debate and they were still arguing about the prompt in its meaning. Despite the guy who wrote the prompt clarifying its meaning in the debate. This was some advance autism and frankly, I don't know why Connor is taking so much heat for it
@@saltysocks1074 Conor is getting so much crap because Destiny and Pisco were on a Holy Crusade and needed an enemy, any enemy. Good on Sean for going in and defending himself and getting those two off Conor's back.
@@WhatsTheTakeaway
I feel bad for Connor and Dylan honestly
They're basically a bunch of professional tard wranglers in this latest, wrangle is more or less too autist angry at another autist for being an autist.
There was probably a good discussion to be had on the subject, but the inability to simply shift 1° turn the whole stream into a crap shoot
another crazy shit ive heard him say is "if trump gets elected he will become a dictator for 4 years"... like i thought dictators did not respect the end of their terms right?
Conner, you were based and good faith at the start of this vid. It’s bad faith to presume to claim to know someone’s mind, don’t let Destiny or Pisco or anyone else for that matter, convince you otherwise because they’re good at playing lose and fast with abstract ideas to make themself look like they win.
Both are talking bullshit, look at the act, ranting and raving whilst other are watching going “ I don’t think that’s AJW was say that”.
And in Destiny’s defence AJW was doing the same thing.
A reasonable person would have conceded to confusion and moved on as a reset point which both didn’t do.
Classic example of bad faith, Pisco “he didn’t even believe we where a democracy, he believed we where a republic”
That’s a meme he doesn’t actually believe that which, would be obvious because, why would you even argue the premise of the debate if that was your true position. So dumb.
(Edit: Destiny points out he was being malicious, which he was, but Destiny can’t comprehend that it’s because he is constantly yelling at him and being arrogant. Case and point 25:02 does the exact same behaviour he did at the start. Case 2 33:25 again then Conor does what Shawn did because Destiny acts arrogant and as if his argument is the only correct one. With no self awareness.)
32:21 this applies to Destiny as well because he went on Jordan Peterson’s and cited the socialist calculation problem and then later in the debate/discussion challenged Peterson on being able to predict the market for greater then 6 months, which means he has never read Hayek/Mises or he is a straight up liar. Given it’s more likely it’s ignorance of the argument, than a good faith person would recognise this. Unless Destiny wants to admit he is a liar to maintain his principled stance.
@@TheWiggum123 you should watch the debate. sean was explicit is denying the democracy
@@JassZoigel I did, where?
@TheWiggum123 I'm only halfway through the transcript and I think I may be wrong, but ill listen to the whole thing again on my first shift and get back to you. At the 1hr mark I think I interpreted his civil war claim really negatively, but I'll let you know after I rewatch her
Lol bro sounds like you got lord emperor brain talking about government
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Sean making a position that is narrow to attack one part of an argument. What Destiny did was broaden the response so much that he manufactured a problem from whole cloth, for the purpose of smearing Sean as a liar. Because destiny is a bad person. Every accusation is a confession.
It is amazing how you can stand Destiny after your rant at 37:17 Connor, holy hell.
Mad credits to you, my favorite Warhammer Creator ^^
Destiny has a sensitivity with blatant liars, likely because as an autistic child he likely trusted people mistakenly. We have seen his poor perception when it comes to people he surrounds himself with over and over. Lies are a boundary for Destiny, useful to understand for the future, be forth coming and clear with him he will appreciate that and any dancing around the truth will put him on edge.
1:12:50 also this point right here is how you know he’s a liar because he would agree for the clout and engagement duh
Having watched Destiny on and off for years, I don't understand how you can say this. He has little care for truth and tends to do everything he accuses others of.
Just as others will clink to nitpicks to support their claims, dive deep for any fact that support what they think - when one has to come to a conclusion from evidence. Not find evidence to support ones conclusion.
I dont understand how your timestamp remotely support what you're saying.
@@TheMithridates the time stamp is AWD flat lying about why he would join a panel or not, it was so obvious he was engaging with Destiny for clout.
Never said Destiny doesn’t lie just that he is sensitive to liars (likely him doing it himself reinforces that sensitivity as well)
@@TheMithridates little care for truth? Can you give some examples of Destiny lying intentionally?
@@CordaroBluintentionally lying would not be the only way to have little care for truth. The way he constantly ascribes motive to anyone on the other side of the political spectrum would be an example. Kind of like in this converaation
Sean literally posted a video, where he posts the receipts of this exact argue, but yet Destiny will claim AJW was lying, when himself is ACTUALLY lying.
In that video you probably barely paid attention to he admits to "misattributing" that quote to Bragg and copes that other people said it
Destiny and Pisco both demo strated more bad faith in how they treated AJW in the aftermath of this debate than anything you can point to for Sean. Despicable behavior. Nit sure what about AJW triggers Destiny so much, but he treats him like he is one of the worst examples of a liar and grifter on the right. You can disagree with AJW, but he is one of the most honest and civil pundits in this space, left or right.
Destiny getting up on his high horse over this after he torched whatever moral credibility he might have had in the past few weeks demonstrates an incredible lack of self awareness.
it goes back to a previous debate where AJW won against Destiny
@@christophers707 You mean the debate where Sean got bullied live on stage as Destiny fact checked him, and then laughed saying he was just joking? That debate?
@@zeph5548 Not the Debatecon one. The fact that Sean could even defend Trump at any reasonable level is crazy. Shows Sean's debate skills are pretty decent imagine if he was defending someone that wasn't Trump.
Content be content
Was late to all this so all I saw was the debate 2 days late immediately followed by Seans video calling Destiny a liar.
Its funny, I was just on a show with Pisco a few weeks ago and he was making the point that voting was a core function of liberalism and that Trump would take it away.... now that someone in a debate is holding his butt buddy to that standard its suddenly too far.
I hope you make a lot of $ for having to deal with these dishonest and awful people... I just dont know how you can call out anyone elses morality ever again if these are those you keep company with.
When people use the term X is on the ballot, most do actually think that it means we are voting on if we want X thing in the future or not.
Its 100% hyperbole.
The fact that Destiny pretends to speak for anyone but himself while representing the wrong view and getting angry others dont agree with him while he pretends to have the popular view is hilarious.
Destiny is like the most ideologically entrenched person ever holy shit
how so?
@@JassZoigel Dont ask follow ups - he hasnt thought about why he thinks that for one second
Yep 😂
Hmmmmm
How is his supporting Rittenhouse/Arms/BLM or his views on Israel show his ideology as a Dem/Progressive/ Socialist. When you make these statements my brother you have to pls list concrete example so we can discuss
AJW gave you a shoutout for your take on Destiny (absurdly) calling Sean a liar.
I mean he did lie lol. You guys can call it exaggerating, but reading something and telling someone the wrong thing is lying lol.
@@RangerNationDubs I assume that you're refering to the quote? The quote that AJW was correct about, but attributed to a different person?
@TheMithridates so he was wrong, Burke(I think that was his name) never said those things. And AJW was taking other quotes from him and trying to snipe it to his benefit. He'll I'm pretty sure Connor has said on record AJW lied to him, and even changed up his argument when Connor confronted him on it. I think there's a lot to criticize that whole debate on but AJW lying is kinda cut and print lol
@@RangerNationDubs Being wrong is not lying and do note that the point he was making was entirely accurate. But he attributed the wrong name to it. That, is not reasonably a lie.
I'd like to see this supposed lie claimed by Connor, the very same person who argued against Destiny on the very point of AJW having lied... AJW did a video on this and by your standard imposed on Sean here, Destiny would be a liar too on several points. For example, when he said that if what Obama did was illegal (killing americans) he'd face the courts for these supposed crimes.
Cute thing about that, he was sued. It got desmissed on standing because the people had already - get this - been killed. So, Obama had been dragged to court and Destiny seem to have known this by his very specific phrasing. So he either lied by omission, or lied due to error.
It's an absurd standard to call somebody making an error, a minor one at that - a liar.
@@RangerNationDubs I rewatched that, a few things:
1, Sean did not say Burke but was attributed to have said Alvin Bragg. This was not him, but his co-debater. he did however, refer to his co-debaters example.
2, Sean gave the example of Latishia and then named her - correctly.
Was there something else?