@@jasonochoa7876 you literally cannot cs as talon against a mage while zed can just q from a safe distance. Also talon has no escapes while zed can use his W and R defensively
As always a highly detailed explanation from Academy of Shadows Professor Laceration himself. One doubt tho, I feel like Zed Electro is weaker on late game as of now, but better on squishy early. But Conqueror scales way better no matter the conzedquences. What would be the defenitive Rune to take on perma-Bruiser Zed? Basically Zed has gotten so nerfed and buffed in the last seasons that actually lost his reason to be. Eventually the lack of everything will either make him strong or nonexistent in a way. This shows Zed is the best champ in the game, a lot of attention going to the shadows instead of fake Tanks and Akali notes. That and his 1v9 balls everyday. "They fear us, and yet remain ignorant to our cause."
The rune page I talked about in the video is prob the best page, zeds strong as a bruiser poke champ but I just go electro anyway since I dont care lol
@@Lacerationlol same here. Tried going Conqueror but seems I can't really feel that intenZe feel I do with Electro. Like from experience, you just know. When the moment of impact comes, you get ulted and sit the shadow down! Electro+Resolve feels so much better tbh. Just played the morning match, check it out. Feel like a Malphite, make them fear the amount of Fs it gives th-cam.com/video/DyIHBf3-BkY/w-d-xo.html
When experts take it to another level ❤️ I listened to this explanation from you on twitch when you were talking about crit Zed and it's like Riot was actually on that stream they changed the E cooldown like 2 days after
I gotta say, even tho for you as a Zed player this nerf doesn't change much. For me a Orianna player I welcome it, it's very effective in early game where you try to get Zed to as low hp as possible before he gets lvl 3/6. Even tho it's not much the poke will feel a lot better and has way more impact, especially if you take lane runes like scorch.
@@blueraven4625 Master Yi is incredibly stupid "without counterplay" and only has 10% banrate. Zed would have the ame counterplay as Master Yi wich is CC after ult, but with that buff Zed actually have a way to play in a 1v2 situation were you really need to aim correctly your CC. All hard CC should be hard to land.
@@salvadordanielgagliardogar254 you know why zed can't have that like yi? Because despite yi can choose where he wants to land after Q, he still have to sit there, face to face with the target to try and kill it before the enemy team kill him. But zed can just R back to safety if something bad happen, so yeah, that's about it
Well that’s odd bcs LlStylish plays pretty much only ec and he was able to get chall playing ec/prawler path most of the games so idk either he’s really good or assasin zed is not that bad, (i am pretty sure he has like 60%+ wr too). What do you think ?
I would say he's very good, cuz he has both the mechanics to play zed at a high level, but he also has macro knowledge to adjust his play style for every game. Imo, assassin zed isn't too weak, we low elo plebs just can't play it without having both mechanics and macro knowledge
In my opinion Zed needs a mini rework: Zed was supposed to be late game assassin in that case bring back stacking AD on R OR increase his energy pool when he press ultimate (kinda like akali W) If u compare Shen and Akali energy bar like I dont even have to talk about this (am platinum player am casual aswell this is going to help me since if I miss a combo I dont wanna take my hands off keyboard and do nothing I wanna chance to correct myself). THING THAT NOBODY TALKS ABOUT: --FUN FACT: Zed is the only AD assassin that cant build Muramana for better late game... I rather have mana on Zed then fucking energy TBH. Also if u noticed that Zed has problems fighting HIGH HP champs atm for example Sion or mages that have 3,5k HP late game? what can you do about them? Only thing what u can do is to build Collector and pray to ur team that they gonna do enough dmg to him so u can execute... am crying for Muramana on Zed tbh or ADD Lethality item that gives u BOTRK passive. - Building LDR has a AWFULL build path + makes u squshy + LOW AD. I stopped building it am taking Grudge at least for kite
Not really in your boat tbh. Playing zed for almost 8 years now and for the longest time zed was an early mid game assassin. He is now a mid to late assassin considering he does fuck all dmg in the laningphase and needs his items more then any other mid laner. Just compare zeds dmg with leblanc and you know what i mean. Imo as it stands i would only buff his laningphase by a tiny amount and leave it at that, the amounts of times i hit every Q with W and R and the target still survives is abysmal. His late is awesome, finally you have something to say in late game even if your not fed. Also giving zed mana ? Hope your joking with that. He would be broken if youd change that. The reason a combo champ like zed has energy is so that he cant spam his stuff late game when mana becomes obsolete.
imo the reason people dislike zed, myself included is that he has way too much poke from long range for also being able to all in you. The lane just becomes constantly freezing wave near turret and even then if you get hit by enough poke you have to base or die. Just unfun. At least other assassins are more threats outside of lane and in roaming but can be outranged in lane, but zed you have to constantly respect his ridiculous ranged poke lmao.. He's an ad lethality mage it feels like and his damage goes through minions and is pretty fast so has less counterplay than ap mage poke...
@@shubhod9569 his damage through minions is reduced, and honestly I find champs like akali much worse than zed seeing as she has a lot stronger disengage and an incredible high burst of damage mixed with the fact that she builds hourglass and a whole bunch of health items making her a real cunt to kill.
how would you build assassin zed? is it literally just the same but instead of eclipse you buy prowler? or is there other things like replacing hydra with youmuus and maybe axiom arc later?
@@fonixisgliding also thank s for your help, i would like to know your opinion on my special build? i am gold 3 zed OTP runes: Guardian (to help my team be op) demolish bc fuck towers second wind for good early overgrowth to 1v1 sion eAsier secondary either triumph coup de grace or manaflow band scorch my main build is this hullbreaker > berserker greaves > warmogs then either heartsteel or stridebreaker depending on enemy team comp, then wits end/ shadowflame, and last item is usually GA but sometimes ill go force of nature or even serpents fang if needed, sums is an important part of my build too, i go ghost teleport for 100÷ kill participation
@@fonixisgliding also it seems you build a lot of attack damage items and so is the video, is it good to focus more on one stat than to play multiple differentss
You play bruiser Zed if 2 or 3+ enemy champs are non oneshottable Think about it like Kayn Red or Blue form And I do what LL Stylish does where if that were the case I max W and build ravenous second If enemy team is oneshottable then I max E and get yoummi second with Ravenous around 4th item
I think it sucks that zed is one of the most thematically satisfying, and mechanically dense champions in the game (in the sense that the outplays and potential for a good zed player is insane) And everyone hates him because the people that are good at him, are REALLY good at him. But i think its more of a demonstration of "survivor bias" From Dead By Daylight, where players that have an anticipated gameplay loop that is very forgiving are very unhappy when that gameplay loop doesnt go the way they want.
Hey mate I’ve been watching you for a long time if I could give you a video idea I would like you to please try playing on the Korean server I wonder how Rank 1 North America would do in Korea
Would u say the Zoe match up is gonna be more rough considering she already got a buff on E for more true dmg or does it not matter since if u get slept you're already going back to base? Haven't seen many Zoe's but damn is that match up so unfun to play
zoe matchup is usually just how lucky are you with her w drops, sometimes she will pick up barrier heal barrier and get free lane till lost chapter and then theres nothing you can do. Terrible champion design
As much as I think Zed is really really strong and Q damage is a bit too high, I’m glad that Zed will actually build assassin again and not be tanky. As long as I can oneshot Zed as much as he oneshots me I’m fine with it.
Nope, underestimated damage on big krug, pet and red kileld it, muscle memory and also being sure, he doesnt need to q the small krugs only e, so him qing there is correct/acceptable
@@jacobcobb731 not his domain he just got skills now he is ridiclous trying to show he is nerd and more intellect than us I am gold and i have better mecanics my brain is more on point i should be on this screen making thousands grounds YO TV I AM THE ONE DONT FALL IN THE TRAP OF THIS SCAM HE TRASH JUST NO LIFE
@@jacobcobb731 he aint made for this bro you too stop trying to show, i didnt write that for people to fkin disturb me with dumb notification of guys explaining in my coment with extreme details about a fkin Q wasted. You are acting nerd too i get it im in a bunch of nerds einstein wannabe. You are limited wake tf up
@@Fou2foot09 its basic math and analysis of a game we enjoy it isn’t that serious, but u are showing a lot of signs of insecurity, i hope u find happiness, some people enjoy analyzing stuff, its fun, u dont need to be so hateful and aggressive towards strangers, find a better outlet
You made the mr nerf sound bigger than it is by not taking into account that you level up and get higher resistances. It’s even less significant than what you said especially if you go magic resist rune or mercs but mercs are almost always troll.
@@lonemichi5289 I calculated with mr runes, so level 1 it's a 1.56% increase in magic damage taken which falls off to exactly 1% at level 18 assuming no magic pen was built. The only situation where the mr nerf matters will be against enemies who have close to true dmg through magic pen which at a worst case scenario it could result in a 2.91% increase
@@Lacerationlol I guess I missed that mb but the point about levels still stands. Also it's mad hard now to get to the almost true damage point for mages. Durability patch just railed the fuck outta flat pen.
how to hell is this a buff . u can use ur e 0.25 sec earlier in late game . perfect . but i love the idea that nerfing tanky zed and giving it to damage
AHAHAHAHA thats so funny that you say thats what the meta would be on kat, it literally is what the meta is on Kat XD. Divine > Wits end > Randuins lmfao, tank meta people just too tanky and still 1 shot her she cant go ap into those comps lol
Now they should bring back instant R shadow swap after landing
Honestly he is already the safest assassin and too hard to kill. That would be too unhealthy for the game.
@@Jojoe291 akali is safer… she builds hourglass every game, health items, has a smokescreen, and her disengage to engage dash bs is pretty strong.
@@jasonochoa7876 Nah bro Zed has the safest lane phase for an assassin and its not close. No other assassin has the kind of neutral game Zed has!
@@xctkillaprodigyx2586 talon? Higher win rate… almost ungankable… good range with q and more dmg at the cost of mana
@@jasonochoa7876 you literally cannot cs as talon against a mage while zed can just q from a safe distance. Also talon has no escapes while zed can use his W and R defensively
5:44 That Veigar was MVP
Need more of these type of analysis from the best Zed NA
5:35 i respect veigar but give some love to yanni too :(
Yanni is the face
Yeah true lol
As always a highly detailed explanation from Academy of Shadows Professor Laceration himself. One doubt tho, I feel like Zed Electro is weaker on late game as of now, but better on squishy early. But Conqueror scales way better no matter the conzedquences. What would be the defenitive Rune to take on perma-Bruiser Zed? Basically Zed has gotten so nerfed and buffed in the last seasons that actually lost his reason to be. Eventually the lack of everything will either make him strong or nonexistent in a way. This shows Zed is the best champ in the game, a lot of attention going to the shadows instead of fake Tanks and Akali notes. That and his 1v9 balls everyday.
"They fear us, and yet remain ignorant to our cause."
The rune page I talked about in the video is prob the best page, zeds strong as a bruiser poke champ but I just go electro anyway since I dont care lol
@@Lacerationlol same here. Tried going Conqueror but seems I can't really feel that intenZe feel I do with Electro. Like from experience, you just know. When the moment of impact comes, you get ulted and sit the shadow down! Electro+Resolve feels so much better tbh. Just played the morning match, check it out. Feel like a Malphite, make them fear the amount of Fs it gives th-cam.com/video/DyIHBf3-BkY/w-d-xo.html
When experts take it to another level ❤️
I listened to this explanation from you on twitch when you were talking about crit Zed and it's like Riot was actually on that stream they changed the E cooldown like 2 days after
Zed scaling is really really insane right now. I think E revert is just gonna benefit him more
thanks for that short video and your oppinion^^
that Veigar Lmao: "Only for laceration
5:35 the face is one but you still good bro
veigar : i flashed save you because you are laceration
Completely unrelated I love this funny Veigar typing about mid camp
I gotta say, even tho for you as a Zed player this nerf doesn't change much. For me a Orianna player I welcome it, it's very effective in early game where you try to get Zed to as low hp as possible before he gets lvl 3/6. Even tho it's not much the poke will feel a lot better and has way more impact, especially if you take lane runes like scorch.
kinda funny cause sunderer bork/wits end is the meta on kat because of some of the same reasons you mentioned.
Now they should bring back the AD stacking on R so we aren't forced to go bruiser path
That was probably the worst change zed ever receive, having to rely on enemy itemization to get power.
Much better to bring his % AD passive on his W
Zed should choose where he wants to go with his ult, like Master Yi Q
No that would be incredibly stupid without counterplay. If they do that you will never get to play the champ caus of a 80% banrate
@@blueraven4625 Master Yi is incredibly stupid "without counterplay" and only has 10% banrate. Zed would have the ame counterplay as Master Yi wich is CC after ult, but with that buff Zed actually have a way to play in a 1v2 situation were you really need to aim correctly your CC. All hard CC should be hard to land.
@@salvadordanielgagliardogar254 you know why zed can't have that like yi? Because despite yi can choose where he wants to land after Q, he still have to sit there, face to face with the target to try and kill it before the enemy team kill him. But zed can just R back to safety if something bad happen, so yeah, that's about it
the veigar saying he wouldn’t have flashe if it way Stylish🤣
Well that’s odd bcs LlStylish plays pretty much only ec and he was able to get chall playing ec/prawler path most of the games so idk either he’s really good or assasin zed is not that bad, (i am pretty sure he has like 60%+ wr too). What do you think ?
I would say he's very good, cuz he has both the mechanics to play zed at a high level, but he also has macro knowledge to adjust his play style for every game. Imo, assassin zed isn't too weak, we low elo plebs just can't play it without having both mechanics and macro knowledge
@@ely9597 fair enough
zed is not that bad now. I remember back then zed was in such a bad state that he can do nothing with him and tried play yone instead
when is it going to change ?
I love u, the best Zed of NA.
babe wake up new laceration video dropped
Maybe this is why I have been having bad success with zed lately... I was so used to my playstyle pre nerf. Such a small nerf, such big impact.
In my opinion Zed needs a mini rework:
Zed was supposed to be late game assassin in that case bring back stacking AD on R
OR increase his energy pool when he press ultimate (kinda like akali W) If u compare Shen and Akali energy bar like I dont even have to talk about this (am platinum player am casual aswell this is going to help me since if I miss a combo I dont wanna take my hands off keyboard and do nothing I wanna chance to correct myself).
THING THAT NOBODY TALKS ABOUT:
--FUN FACT: Zed is the only AD assassin that cant build Muramana for better late game... I rather have mana on Zed then fucking energy TBH.
Also if u noticed that Zed has problems fighting HIGH HP champs atm for example Sion or mages that have 3,5k HP late game? what can you do about them? Only thing what u can do is to build Collector and pray to ur team that they gonna do enough dmg to him so u can execute... am crying for Muramana on Zed tbh or ADD Lethality item that gives u BOTRK passive.
- Building LDR has a AWFULL build path + makes u squshy + LOW AD. I stopped building it am taking Grudge at least for kite
Not really in your boat tbh. Playing zed for almost 8 years now and for the longest time zed was an early mid game assassin.
He is now a mid to late assassin considering he does fuck all dmg in the laningphase and needs his items more then any other mid laner. Just compare zeds dmg with leblanc and you know what i mean.
Imo as it stands i would only buff his laningphase by a tiny amount and leave it at that, the amounts of times i hit every Q with W and R and the target still survives is abysmal. His late is awesome, finally you have something to say in late game even if your not fed.
Also giving zed mana ? Hope your joking with that. He would be broken if youd change that. The reason a combo champ like zed has energy is so that he cant spam his stuff late game when mana becomes obsolete.
Sweatin… what if someone shares this video and now see the changes as a buff. 50% ban rate incoming 😓 I have ptsd at this point 😂
imo the reason people dislike zed, myself included is that he has way too much poke from long range for also being able to all in you. The lane just becomes constantly freezing wave near turret and even then if you get hit by enough poke you have to base or die. Just unfun. At least other assassins are more threats outside of lane and in roaming but can be outranged in lane, but zed you have to constantly respect his ridiculous ranged poke lmao.. He's an ad lethality mage it feels like and his damage goes through minions and is pretty fast so has less counterplay than ap mage poke...
@@shubhod9569 The fuck u talking about lol
@@shubhod9569 his damage through minions is reduced, and honestly I find champs like akali much worse than zed seeing as she has a lot stronger disengage and an incredible high burst of damage mixed with the fact that she builds hourglass and a whole bunch of health items making her a real cunt to kill.
Love these type of vids
how would you build assassin zed? is it literally just the same but instead of eclipse you buy prowler? or is there other things like replacing hydra with youmuus and maybe axiom arc later?
@@fonixisgliding when to buy rocketbelt on zed tho? is the hextech gunblade hybrid build good still?
@@fonixisgliding also thank s for your help, i would like to know your opinion on my special build? i am gold 3 zed OTP
runes:
Guardian (to help my team be op)
demolish bc fuck towers
second wind for good early
overgrowth to 1v1 sion eAsier
secondary either triumph coup de grace or manaflow band scorch
my main build is this
hullbreaker > berserker greaves > warmogs then either heartsteel or stridebreaker depending on enemy team comp, then wits end/ shadowflame, and last item is usually GA but sometimes ill go force of nature or even serpents fang if needed, sums is an important part of my build too, i go ghost teleport for 100÷ kill participation
@@fonixisgliding also it seems you build a lot of attack damage items and so is the video, is it good to focus more on one stat than to play multiple differentss
Who is better in late game akali or zed
Hey i just came back after a year break. Should i build bruiser zed every game?
You play bruiser Zed if 2 or 3+ enemy champs are non oneshottable
Think about it like Kayn Red or Blue form
And I do what LL Stylish does where if that were the case I max W and build ravenous second
If enemy team is oneshottable then I max E and get yoummi second with Ravenous around 4th item
I think it sucks that zed is one of the most thematically satisfying, and mechanically dense champions in the game (in the sense that the outplays and potential for a good zed player is insane) And everyone hates him because the people that are good at him, are REALLY good at him. But i think its more of a demonstration of "survivor bias" From Dead By Daylight, where players that have an anticipated gameplay loop that is very forgiving are very unhappy when that gameplay loop doesnt go the way they want.
Hey mate I’ve been watching you for a long time if I could give you a video idea I would like you to please try playing on the Korean server I wonder how Rank 1 North America would do in Korea
What about the first strike build with eclipse? Is it still viable?
Would u say the Zoe match up is gonna be more rough considering she already got a buff on E for more true dmg or does it not matter since if u get slept you're already going back to base? Haven't seen many Zoe's but damn is that match up so unfun to play
zoe matchup is usually just how lucky are you with her w drops, sometimes she will pick up barrier heal barrier and get free lane till lost chapter and then theres nothing you can do. Terrible champion design
@Laceration Appreciate the reply, glad I've been banning her recently due to that dumb rng. Gotta love her getting full active items at lvl 3😂
When are the changes gona come out
Can we get a new build/rune video or do you run only/mostly that setup?
I'll prob make another build guide soon yea
@@Lacerationlol can u make zed matchup tier list as well and explain hard matchups a little
@@Lacerationlol thanks, they're always helpful 👍
So what do we max now and what do we build on each set up? (Bruiser and assasin)
WOOOO WE GOT 1 SECOND OFF ON E MAX IT RIGHT NOW MAN DO IT
@@aathried yeah but on the bruiser set up too? Bc the w max kinda grew on me on bruiser at least
Does this mean we back maxing E second?
As much as I think Zed is really really strong and Q damage is a bit too high, I’m glad that Zed will actually build assassin again and not be tanky. As long as I can oneshot Zed as much as he oneshots me I’m fine with it.
5:36 If Zed was stylish i wouldn't have flash lol
Its so baffling that the patch notes say "we want to bring down his winrate" while his winrate is 48.1% and midlane only 48.9%. Like what?
why do veigar hate stylish??
This guy is pretty good zed he should start streaming soon 😏
1:06 speaning like à nerd but proceeds to miss this Q
Nope, underestimated damage on big krug, pet and red kileld it, muscle memory and also being sure, he doesnt need to q the small krugs only e, so him qing there is correct/acceptable
@@jacobcobb731 yes but it doesnt fit the way he is trying to act nerd asf bro
@@jacobcobb731 not his domain he just got skills now he is ridiclous trying to show he is nerd and more intellect than us
I am gold and i have better mecanics my brain is more on point i should be on this screen making thousands grounds YO TV I AM THE ONE DONT FALL IN THE TRAP OF THIS SCAM HE TRASH JUST NO LIFE
@@jacobcobb731 he aint made for this bro you too stop trying to show, i didnt write that for people to fkin disturb me with dumb notification of guys explaining in my coment with extreme details about a fkin Q wasted. You are acting nerd too i get it im in a bunch of nerds einstein wannabe. You are limited wake tf up
@@Fou2foot09 its basic math and analysis of a game we enjoy it isn’t that serious, but u are showing a lot of signs of insecurity, i hope u find happiness, some people enjoy analyzing stuff, its fun, u dont need to be so hateful and aggressive towards strangers, find a better outlet
Added you on discord! Still doing coaching session?
6:29 zed is so broken 😂
You made the mr nerf sound bigger than it is by not taking into account that you level up and get higher resistances. It’s even less significant than what you said especially if you go magic resist rune or mercs but mercs are almost always troll.
No hate btw just pointing out a flaw
@@lonemichi5289 I calculated with mr runes, so level 1 it's a 1.56% increase in magic damage taken which falls off to exactly 1% at level 18 assuming no magic pen was built. The only situation where the mr nerf matters will be against enemies who have close to true dmg through magic pen which at a worst case scenario it could result in a 2.91% increase
@@Lacerationlol I guess I missed that mb but the point about levels still stands. Also it's mad hard now to get to the almost true damage point for mages. Durability patch just railed the fuck outta flat pen.
@@Lacerationlol cheers for replying so fast btw
Laceration Vs LL Tyler1
Veigar is not cooking stylish is the goat
Bruiser w max assassin e max 2nd?
Pretty much yeah. E max second gives more burst/oneshot power and W max second gives more shadows and it's easier to keep conq up
bro give the %100 ad R back
ProGuides say that Zed didnt need the "buff" and that his WAVECLEAR is going to be better because of it. Jesus christ 💀
proguides proving they don't understand the champion lmao
That’s actually hilarious lol
It's honestly annoying how bad the overall the state of the champion, because ADC mains won't stop complaining on reddit.
Zed is anyways pretty weak rn in this ap/tank season
Don’t show this video to zed haters
how to hell is this a buff . u can use ur e 0.25 sec earlier in late game . perfect . but i love the idea that nerfing tanky zed and giving it to damage
Like 3rd or somthin
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Like how he says the thing about the tunes yet he hasn't ran these runes at all in his last 10 games bros been taking first strike he been lying lol
I already had 55% wr with elec lethality builds
Before the buffs
What Elo are you
@@Jacob-zn6ov silver :(
Which they’d give zed an armor buff
late game champ so just play master yi
First
AHAHAHAHA thats so funny that you say thats what the meta would be on kat, it literally is what the meta is on Kat XD. Divine > Wits end > Randuins lmfao, tank meta people just too tanky and still 1 shot her she cant go ap into those comps lol