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Mr Beast’s mom was a black site military prison warning, Beast is a psyop….. he was being groomed for leadership, 15 -20 years from now the establishment would run him as a candidate…. He’s Astro terfed…. I know people….
Sorry she has been factually wrong many times. So has dogpack. I don't trust her or his motives. But rosanna also needs to disclose her ads on social media because that can get her fined heavily
I do think it is important to mention that, while the photo ended up not being CP (thank god), Kris Tyson sent it in the group chat under the assumption that the girl in the photo could have been 13. Her intent was to send CP to that group chat.
I hate to defend it in any way but we gotta do more research on these things. Maybe Rosana didn't remember because she wasn't a young man at the time, but I'm a year younger than her and I remembered that photo from a magazine we had in the public library. If there's more to it than that would make a lot of sense but pushing that photo as evidence was a bad move.
Why is this not the focus of the video!!??? Is there some sort of incentive to defend this!? Why are creators not focusing on it?? I watched that video before all the criticism and I 1000% thought oh it could or could not be Ivanka and it could or could not be an under age pic. But that it was never the point.the intention was.!?
Yes, i dont get peoples reaction to this like it discredits everything. Because in their video, dog pack literally says he wasnt sure if Ivanka was actually underage in that pic but the fact ava tyson thought she was 13 IS the main problem. The other times in the video he didn’t add the allegedly when mentioning the Ivankas pic was clearly mentioning how Ava was intentionally and knowingly sharing potential CP. People are completely also ignoring the fact theres multiple screenshots of Ava tyson sharing chadbases’ art (im misspelling his name on purpose for obvious reasons) in public and in group chats, their art is literally CP!!
@@Qb3nsis I don't disagree, and I also do think this whole thing was mishandled. If they had more compelling evidence, they should've used that or made it significantly clearer that the allegations were not confirmed. BUT, my main issue is that everyone acts like this discredits everything. Like did we not all see the same chats?? Kris Tyson sent the photo with the intent of sending CP into a group chat that Jimmy was present in, which means he knew.
Am I wrong?? Like people are more upset about not saying alleged other than Ava ThOUGHT it was CP and sent it with that thought. Did I misunderstand? And I would never reverse image search something I thought was illegal or cp. did I understand that wrong??
Personally, I feel like there's real CP in these chats and that they've reported it to the FBI but cannot SHOW us the CP because that's distributing it which is illegal. It was a slip of the tongue for him to not say alleged, but they know more than us and have to tiptoe their way through spreading awareness and working with the law. It's unfortunate it's being blown up that he 'messed up' and not all of the other things they showed in that video and what goes on in those work chats. They can't show everything to us, but they're trying to be as transparent as they can
thats what i was thinking like there very well could be CP but obviously it's illegal to actually show it which I feel like some people don't realize you cant show every single thing
@@astoria4774 well they at the time thought the original picture in the video was cp but that didn’t stop them from showing and mentioning it. If they believed it to be cp they never should’ve shown it in the first place
I dont think ANY of this matters, ava assumed it was cp and sent it with joy like wtaf??? who cares he accidentally forgot to say allegedly when ava wants to share cp.
Isn’t the point that it was shared on the group chat with the belief it was a 14 year old? Like that’s the issue that they’ve raised. Ava believed it was CP and willingly shared it…
THIS !!! why are people so focused on the fact that she’s not underage ava thought she was so what does it matter if it wasn’t she wanted it to be a 13 year old..
at the end of the day it totally is but the problem is they both made it sound like it was 100% a 14 year old when it wasn't, not hating on them at all BUT it still creates a huge problem because they didn't do proper research I believe that's why people are calling them out but I agree people are forgetting ava sent thinking it was a 14 year old that should be the focus
But a simple reverse image search. The first page shows the picture and where it's from. Dogpack lied straight up saying multiple times he reverse image searched. When he didn't
End of day, Dog Pack screwed up. But this doesn’t take away or remove the fact that Mr. Beast is still an egotistical asshole and has other terrible allegations he has YET to address.
Jimmy has to answer for hiring Delaware, mistreating employees and contestants, hiding evidence after getting called out, not paying non-profit organizations in time, faking videos that extend to his philanthropy videos too, getting kids into gambling, his criminal record in 2018, the crypto pump and dumps, and not taking criticism from others!
1000%. Just such a shame people aren't focusing on the main point. Wish this was a video mostly on the issues on the group chat or the fact that both Mr Beast and Ava actually THOUGHT it was of a 13 yr old. And idk I don't think anyone who actually watched the dog pack/rosanna video would never think they were saying it's 1000% CP. It was more just presenting what Ava and Mr Beast were joking about and saying. I honestly got the idea from the video that they didn't think she was 13at all. And she doesn't look it. I think they were trying to present it as they were saying that she was 13 and that made them like the pic more. I just don't understand why that isn't the focus. I actually think under the law even if someone is over age and presents themselves as underage, atleast in person, it can still be prosecuted? Might not be the same in the US. Also sharing info to the FBI is totally understandable. That's the right thing to do under any suspicion! She isn't going to go after them, the fbi will if they get enough evidence! I think any law enforcement would say if you have anything you think is suspicious or relevant, share it. Idk why the fbi thing is a focus at all...
Isn’t the only important part here that Kris literally said in the messages “as far as I’m aware this is nsfw of a minor harhar”… like…nothing else should matter. Nothing should change in how this is being handled. As far as they all knew it was CP when Kris sent it and nothing was done.
Well they believed it to be cp at the time, but Rosanna literally put the image (poorly censored) as the thumbnail of her video and shared it in the video. That is my major criticism of their handling of the situation, if they believed it to be cp they should have never shown it to the public censored or not.
@@Neo-Queenserenityt2l censored or not (it wasn’t even censored well) that’s not a good thing to do regardless. It should only be shared with the fbi not put in a TH-cam video.
I think it’s possible that there could be actual CP in the chats that they cannot show. If Ava was comfortable enough to send what she thought was CP, who’s to say she didn’t send more that we haven’t seen yet? She could have sent others that turned out to be CP
While the information was false with Ivanka actually being 13, there is literally screenshot evidence of Ava assuming that the photo was an explicit photo of a 13 year old girl and sending the uncensored image with the intent of showing the Mr beast work chat explicit photos of an underaged girl. Also even if Ivanka was 18 in that photo, sending explicit images of an 18 year old to people in their 20-30s is literally still weird and disgusting? Like you’re still sharing images of someone who only like just became a legal adult-
That latter part has been a global problem for decades and proudly ignored by all law makers & law enforcements. Like people can turn 18 while still in high school, it's such a big exploit loophole taken by porn sites/porn producers/pimps etc. And of course the heavy moral issue of targeting someone who just turned into a young adult...
If they didn't consent to seeing that, it can be seen as SA, as others have said and if there were ANY minors in chat, then that could be child endangerment or child exploitation, which is also a crime. I do think he may have had a slip of the tongue, but there WAS CP "art" which is a crime as well.
Yes but so did rosana and dogpack, all 3 of them shared what was implied / assumed to be CP, dogpack somewhat censored it but the person was still identifiable. It speaks volumes for all 3 of them. If you can excuse rosana and dogpack sharing it you also indirectly excuse ava sharing it. That is the issue
Literally all Dogpack had to say was, "Oh I'm sorry guys. I misspoke there. Please note, that I did say 'alleged' for everything else, that one clip was a slip of the tongue. I also own that more research should have been done prior to posting. Especially with such a serious topic. I apologize and will do better moving forward." Literally all he had to say...
I get a lot of ppls points about keeping Rosanna accountable (she definitely shouldve hired a research team), but i do think the INTENT speaks more volumes than the execution. It doesnt really matter that the image wasnt legally a minor. Its close enough as they could legally get though and the intent WAS CP! This behavior is unacceptable no matter which way you wanna view it.
Rosanna could've corrected her mistakes. Edited her video. She didn't. She doubled down & sperged out in nicholas deorio chat and on top that she's run her mouth about the group chat adam was in. She is supposed to be adam friend & should've said hang on Dawson. Don't lie on adam.
@julieannewaller7541 I don't really know anything about that, but I am a little concerned about the lack of criticism for Rosanna. The fact they thought they found CP and thier next thought was to press record...? Weird. Putting a blurred image of the alleged "CP" in the thumbnail? Even weirder. It seems that there was no regard anywhere along the way of making that video for any alleged victim.
@kin8665 I get what you mean, but the next thought was to report it to the FBI, and reporting on alleged CP the minute you find out about it isn't exactly a route for criticism unless you're specifically talking about the lack of research involved. I do think it's weird no one is really giving Ro the same energy as DogPack. He might have been the one to bring the information, but as the head of "take MrB down" party Ro is obligated to deeply research her or the findings anyone brings to her, including basic fact-checking so stuff like this doesn't happen. On the bright side, the lack of criticism for her part probably means her credibility won't be damaged too much.
okay... to play devil's advocate. the time in the video where he mentioned the photo without saying "alleged' eaasilly could have been a slip of the tongue
@@jaydenvanderheyden2064I'm pretty sure that even he was with this sentiment but didn't know how to describe it. Put yourself in his place, you're doing a video with emotions going through and you have to say "allegedly" every other word to what you believe it's not alleged. Would you not slip out? And if you did, would you EVEN notice? These things happen in the heat of the moment. I swear it's so ridiculous calling out a minor error when there's so many other weird things that happened in the group chat.
@MarielWhalley still would have responded better. I can understand having slip ups. But he still responsible for how he responds to people reactions to his slip up and the fact he could have easily faced check the photo.
I do feel like it was just dogpack talking without choosing his words carefully or thinking much of it and harping on that one clip is a tiny bit much. But his response definitely didn’t help the situation and he could’ve addressed it better. It kinda feels like he’s wanting to catch Jimmy in something so much so that he doesn’t want to accept that he was wrong about this one, but that might just be me
I mean, to be fair, forgetting to say “allegedly” one single time is very very easy to do. I would not be out here reverse image searching something I believe to be CP either. I’m handing it into the police and I’m telling people what I saw to warn them. I really don’t think him not purposefully trying to find the source of what he believed to be CP is an issue. That’s not his job. That’s the police’s job. I DO think he’s being overly defensive about it but I really don’t think this was some huge fuck up. I think it was one slip of the tongue and not wanting to find CP which is very very fair
Saying "allegedly" does not even protect people from being sued for defamation. This is an internet myth. Defamation suits against public figures require "actual malice" (in quotes because it has a specific legal meaning) - this is the tricky part, because it focuses on intent and what people knew/truly believe. (Being intentionally misleading in order to cause harm is what must be avoided.) An extra "allegedly" would not help here. He was stating opinion. Again: intent and knowledge are the things that matter, not the total number of allegedlies. I don't feel good at ALL about people blowing past what Ava did. The message was disgusting and I'm glad that Mr. Pack and Ro reported it instead of "doing their own research" - DO NOT EVER DO THAT FOR POTENTIAL CSAM, oh my god?? 😭
There are some crimes where evidence of the intent behind the crime matters more than actually successfully completing the crime. Like someone doesn't have to take your bribe for you to get in trouble for trying to bribe them, they don't have to catch someone tryna sell certain substances as long as the person has more than a certain amount at one time, you don't actually have to unalive someone to be held accountable for making an attempt. Idk if spreading CP/CSAM is one of those, but I think it should be if it isn't. In that light, the specific material they actually ended up sending is less important than what they thought the material was. Their intent was to distribute CP/CSAM, which is one of the grossest crimes out there. I agree he should've done more research/they should've addressed the topic differently and his attitude about being corrected sucks, but this backlash seems like a real distraction campaign cuz it's entirely possible it's still a crime even if she was 18.
100% they will latch on to any distraction. KSI ranting for weeks about DanTDM's criticism and discounting Ro as "a girl we used to think was cute" are I think other examples.
@GruntyHerder I honestly don't get their press strategy. I'm sure they don't have one, it's just funny they have so much money to blow on stupid companies and frivolous lawsuits but can't afford a PR person to just tell em no once in a blue moon. Like a normal PR person would say if the accusations are credible and we can spin em, respond to them, if they aren't, ignore them. The weird "we'll use some ad hominem attacks to distract from the accusations" strategy is just wild and so unserious.
I don't think they needed to address it differently. The point of the video is that Mr. Beast claimed he didn't know about Ava being a predator. So, the purpose of the video is exactly as it says in the title, Jimmy KNEW. They did a sufficient job of proving that. Trying to devalue what this video brought to light because he didn't dive deep enough on a picture he thought might be CP/CSAM is kind of insane. I wouldn't want to dig too deep on that reverse image search either. That's something I, personally, would rather leave to the authorities so I don't get investigated as well. Which I feel is something people forget about in cases like this. If you misstep even a little bit, you could end up being in hot water yourself.
I can't fully blame Dog Pack for not investigating the photo, considering the context he had from Ava was that it was cp, and Ava saying that put the thought in his head, and it's hard for some people to remember to say "allegedly" every single time, especially when they already have their mind made up based on what the poster said. That being said... yeah he really needs to take the L here.
It’s crazy how people (myself included) either doubted ro and called her dramatic (and still do) in the beginning. Mama ro was on it before any of us had a single clue. Watching the video, it sucks how one slip up from DogPack could cause such a large issue for Ro.
Idk, I never doubted her or thought she was blowing anything out of proportion. She’s been in the industry for a very, VERY long time. She doesn’t speak on something unless it truly is _that serious._ I’m glad she’s being vindicated.
@@breetoldyousofr! People also forget she’s famous as well? Like why would she risk all that for a random TH-cam guy unless it’s something that’s really concerning
@@breetoldyousosame! And when Jackspeticeye gave his opinion on him and everyone hated it on, I was there and present. I’ve been a TH-cam person since 2010 and I didnt know who mr beast was until I saw the controversies 💀
Maybe when dogpack said cp he meant the topic of them talking about it, it wasn’t the best wording on his part but I think it was like that in my head anyway.
i definitely agree on this but i think it’s his responsibility with a topic this important to not make those mistakes bc it could really really hurt the cause.
That's exactly my thought. I think this is definitely nit picking bcs at the end of the day the context of the conversation was that he was sending this in the intent of sharing CP. I honestly thought just like he was mentioning like the CP topic.. 🤷🏼♀️
I don't think it's this big of a deal. I know it's risky and should have probably been caught in editing, but it seemed more like a slip of the tongue, and the two of them did think it was cp at the time. Also with Rosanna reporting Mr Beast and ava to the fbi before the video was filmed, I don't think the Ivanka image was the only alleged cp in the chat. I get what you're saying, but honestly this just seems like outrage over a simple mistake, and I don't think it's that important.
I agree with you 100%. It's a mistake that shouldn't have been made, but why are we harping so hard on Dog Pack? The focus should be that Ava is undeniably a pdf file...and Mr. Beast knew. An entire group chat was at least somewhat aware and nothing happened.
Dog Pack *AND ROSANNA* (hold your friend accountable, Adam) didn’t fact check. And because they didn’t fact check, they could be the reason this doesn’t amount to any consequences for Mr. Beast.
@@jangminoonaWith how his fans are, and with Keemstar and Logan Paul supporting him…YEAH. Mr. Beast is *RICH WHITE MAN WITH CONNECTIONS* . He will probably just get a slap on the wrist and pay people off.
@@CWazBroadwayBandGeek To be fair though, he’s been a rich white man this entire time, and so a slap on the wrist has been the unfortunate and unjust likely outcome even if there had been zero slip ups on Ro’s part. 🥲
I’m sorry but is it not up to Rosanna to filter through and safe check these allegation as well? Rosanna is kinda spearheading this whole Mr beast thing which don’t get me wrong, I hate Jimmy and I think it’s necessary. But tbh I think they BOTH need to slow it down, she’s not a real journalist, neither of them are. It was bound to happen that she reported something unfounded, it is her responsibility to investigate who she collaborates with and what information she puts out there. CP is a SERIOUS allegation…
that’s what I was thinking. the final edit of the video is on her and her team as well, even if they say something risky they should have some time to fact-check it and potentially leave it on the cutting room floor. I hope from here on out they have someone or multiple someones behind the scenes who knows safe and responsible journalistic practices, for both research and reporting.
My thought as well, I'm glad I'm not alone. Rosanna and her team have control of the edit. I don't remember if they had a blanket disclaimer on the video, not sure if that would be enough to cover what's being alleged. I hope she has some legal counsel that's reviewing these videos before she puts them out. (I'm all for what they're doing, I just hope they're being safe and not opening themselves up to litigation)
It upsets me the way Ro sensationaized the situation by her thumbnail, putting the blurred photo with "she's 13!" Is actually awful. Imagine if that was a REAL CHILD!!! It's also terrible how excited they are at the idea of finding CP in a Mr Beast chat because if that was a real child then that would've been a VICTIM. It is entirely insensitive the way they acted making a react video to a potential victim. If it wasn't Ivanka Trump and just a random child, just think of how much more disgusted everyone would feel because it's not a celebrity.
Can we also acknowledge how dogpack was wrong about James Warren too? He said he found DV charges but it was the wrong person and if he waited a few more days he would've received the Freedom of Information order telling him that but he's started to rush the allegations instead of thoroughly checking what he's speaking about. It's exactly what's happened here with being wrong about the Ivanka Trump picture. He's rushing to try and stay relevant instead of thoroughly investigating these allegations and that's only going to destroy his credibility more and more until people are going to give up on all the allegations and let Mr Beast get away with the actual bad things that have happened.
EXACTLY! So well put and it’s disappointing Adam isn’t calling that out. I’m a big fan but this whole glossing over that is so frustrating no one is calling her out for really dropping the ball and refusing to correct it especially people who’s words hold more weight like Adam
Rosana needs to be fact checking anything that comes through her. I'm not letting her off the hook when she's been posting the videos about this entire saga. She needs to be making sure the information she's getting is verifiable, even when (and especially when) it comes from a friendly face.
@@RatClowns Yeah we know that Mr. Beast is bad but her whole vendetta against him is the result of some petty drama during a show. I think it's funny that she hates him so much
While I can agree that Dogpack and Rosanna need to maybe slow down a bit and he needs to respond to critique better, it is a HUGE problem that Ava shared what she believed could be possible CP and to a work chat, to boot. That speaks volumes about her and the environment at that company, regardless of whether or not this specific example was actual CP.
I thinkhe was just short hand referencing and just slipped up idk why Paige has clipped that like a gotcha moment!! I mess up words all the time and I think he just forgot to say alleged and we all knew what he ment!
Here’s how I feel about this particular thing. I don’t like how they BOTH shared CP online WITHOUT going to the authorities. Just so we are clear, once you find CP on ANY device, you IMMEDIATELY go to the police or FBI. You DO NOT go to social media. Edit: thank god it was NOT CP. It would have been so much worse if it was.
100% This is my main criticism too! If you suspect something is even potentially CP you do not share it, do not save it on your device and just go to the police or a hotline, some hotlines can guide you on how to correctly report things and even what to do after that. Sharing images of alleged cp leaves people finding the image, sharing it and hurting the person in the image no matter your intentions. If it was actually cp then the person in the photo would have their photos circulating in more groups. Its so worrying how ( from my perspective as a viewer) the video was more about calling out bad people and how bad they were being by proving it even if the victim it put at risk rather than focusing on warning people to be cautious & protecting potential victims. Which is an issue but even more so if children are involved
Petty Paige's video was so biased and bad faith. She doesn't have a video about the actual allegations just a video how Rossana covered it incorrectly.
But Ro’s cover has to be correct especially for this sensitive topic, and the fact that Ro reported to the FBI. When you wanna do that, you wanna make sure you report things correctly, that’s what Paige’s point was. Aside how Paige feels about Rosanna, Paige’s correct on the point of correct reporting because you don’t want any information to be compromised. I am on Rosanna and Dogpak’s side, but these slip up can have consequences if a proper investigation needs to be done. It’s okay to point out mistakes to our favourite creators.
@@sabrina1646 my point is that it's evident that Petty Paige doesn't care about getting the truth out on this topic until Rossana made multiple videos. It very much seems like Petty Paige was just waiting for the perfect opportunity to strike at a weak point rather than reporting on the truth. In my opinion if it was truly important to Paige she would've reported on it prior to Rossana or Dogpack.
@@AddisonSandoval hmm I disagree with that. She made the video precisely on making sure to report accurate information, because Paige herself made a mistake when she was reporting on Colleen, and news outlets were reporting on that misinformation rather than the actual facts. Rosanna’s videos are good to, but this particular video about the groupchat, other people have been talking about it, oompaville and Nicholas DeOrio (sp?) about this slip up. Edit: I see what you mean, I think she isn’t reporting because other creators are reporting on MrBeast as well
@sabrina1646 I disagree because she has not taken the time to actually take the Mr Beast/Tyson allegations seriously like she has for Rossana. It seems personal for Paige. To me her not reporting because others are reporting seems like speculation, and like you just said Paige feels like the others are getting it wrong so why wait until Rossana's platform makes a mistake to finally address it? Like you said she make a video about being precise on reporting info, not a video about the horrendous actions of Mr Beast or Tyson. That's why I said Petty doesn't really care and it seems like it's more about Rossana for Paige.
While I do feel that the majority of the blame falls on dogpack, Rosanna isn’t entirely innocent in the situation either. At the end of the day she allowed the video to be uploaded on her channel which is her co-signing it. I think she needs to be more intentional and careful with what she allows on her channel. I also feel like it was in very VERY poor taste that either her original thumbnail or one of the test thumbnails included a poorly censored version of what they thought to be cp. if they believed the image to be cp I don’t believe either of them should have shared the image censored or not. It should have went straight to the fbi and the public should have never seen such an intimate image of what they believed to be a minor, even if censored. I also want to say I don’t know how dogpack can deny downloading an uncensored image if he admits to not only reverse image searching it, but he also had to download the image to censor it.
I think that both dog pack and Rosanna completely mishandled this situation. They thought it was CP and then shared that material with their audience. Luckily it’s not but sharing an image, even a censored one, that you think is CP is still a big problem and illegal! I think the whole thing comes off as super disingenuous when she’s calling it “official company chat logs” when it was just a meme chat between coworkers and not doing the bare minimum research to check if it was actually a child or not absolutely tanks your credibility and leaves you wide open to defamation lawsuits.
6:54 its also important to note that despite being told that the CP allegations made were not real, dogpack retracted and made a disclaimer on the prospective videos and Rosanna did not, at least as far as i am currently aware feel free to correct me if im wrong and she has updated as of now.
The blame should not only be on DogPack but Rosanna aswell. It is also her job to check and make sure things are legit and factual. This made it seem like she’ll grasp at any little thing to go at Mr.Beast. So saying DogPack didn’t do good research, what about Rosanna? It’s on HER channel, it’s HER edited video. Why didn’t SHE fact check? I was really rooting for her but this made me question her, hopefully she’ll redeem herself
Really hope Ro makes a video discussing the things that’s happened since that video came out. If you aren’t on Twitter or not fully involved in all the mr beast stuff, you would have no idea about these inconsistencies in that video.
ava described it as cp, and dogpack is just referencing the photo, referencing first hand information. you cant get sued for showing first hand evidence
its also just so dodgy to me that they (with the assumption that it WAS cp) included the photo? no matter how censored the image is, it shouldnt of been shown, nevertheless used in the thumbnail. its so insensitive especially if it was actual cp? so dodgy imo..
It kinda feels like half this video is spent throwing dog pack under the bus to save face for Rosanna. They should both be fact checking (it’s on Rosanna’s channel after all)
Rosanna should be held accountable too to the same level...if not more as dogpacm. Like, they both screwed up. They couldve done their own research and she should really double check to make sure especially since its being presented on HER channel. It'll be a diff story imo if the video went on Dogpacks channel.
@@shanel4294unfortunately i think at the time she had no reason not to trust him (not that it excuses anything). However i really hope this means that a lot more care goes into future videos on mr beast
This is something I was worried was going to happen when Ro started her Tea videos. But this is also an example of a flaw with cancel culture. Digital vigilantism where we blatantly accuse people of things without being factual impact the effectiveness of what is completely true. I get the slight attention on Ro, it was her channel that uploaded it. But this is absolutely Dogpack’s words and responses that are kicking this worse than it was.
I'm on dog packs side because even if the Ivanka trump image wasnt CP, multiple times they make memes saying that Ava was into cp and he could easily be talking about that. All the jokes about Ava liking underage kids.
This is actually so strange.. I have seen all 3 of Dogpacks videos and all of them seem well researched and constructed but he goes on rosanna's channel and makes a baseless claim that could be life ruining? He BETTER not get Rosanna in trouble over his incompetence and I HOPE there is no legal trouble thrown at her because of this :( She has worked her ASS off exposing that man, and Dog pack has too so why is he just being incompetent when it is on someone else's behalf? Also edit I do not believe this excuses anything Ava has done, she literally THOUGHT this was CP even if it wasn't. Also when watching that video Dog pack just had a weird demeanor imo.. Edit again 13:31 Maybe this is why I felt that way? Like he kept being strange and pushy in a way? But like he kept talking about CP and maybe that was why I was uncomfortable EDIT AGAIN 15:02 ??? What the hell why is he saying you are defending Mr Beast?? You and Mutahar (the only people I know really) both don't support him 😭
I'd gently push back on the idea that _all_ of his videos were well-researched. There was one in which he was accusing someone of having a criminal history, but for evidence he showed a search for people with the guy's name and basically said, "This is a really common name, so I have no way of knowing if this is him. But some people with his name have criminal records, so it's possible one of these records is his!" And frankly, that's unacceptable.
why are we sweeping for friends? like its Ro's channel, she should be held accountable as well and its sad and disappointing that her friends refuse to acknowledge that. she should be there with dogpack leaving it to people more cut to a journalistic/investigative work like that if she cannot even fact check shit. it looks like they are more blood hungry than twitter, sorry Adam, im not buying that obvious of a sweep, they cannot even apologize for THE mistake we all agree they did
Sounds like to me he was talking in a GENERAL sense, not an allegedly sense. Like they were changing the topic and he said, this is pretty bad or something like that, and then said well the CP is more disgusting... not meaning in a SOLELY way but the fact the CP is the topic of this investigation. IDK... I've been on this planet longer than y'all and I don't see this as a dangerous or accusing thing to say. The FACT is CP IS RECORDED TO HAVE BEEN IN BOTH MRBEAST and AVA's possession... there are VIDEOS out there, proving this... on MRBEAST's channel. It's not alleged, it's FACTUAL.
There isactually a much bigger issue with them getting the CP allegation wrong that I don't get why nobody is saying it. People found out it was not CP because THEY PUT THE IMAGE IN THE VIDEO AND PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO REVERSE IMAGE SEARCH! EHAT IF IT ACTUALLY WAS CP? I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE CALLING SOMEONE OUT, YOU STILL SHARED IT, AND IN AN EVEN MORE PUBLIC PLATFORM! ARE THEY DUMB?
And also Rosanna had her TH-cam thumbnail with what she thought was CP and it was horribly censored and even tested out 3 different thumbnails to see which would do better on the TH-cam algorithm, literally gross.
I think they had to report to the FBI that there was a chance they opened files potentially containing CP. If Mr. Beast files suit or a complaint, and the FBI hears through another avenue, Dogpack's or Rosana's computers could be seized via a warrant. Any trace of anything suggestively immoral could hurt them both. Preemptively contacting the FBI is in Rosana's best interest. Hope that helps.
No matter how problematic Mr. Beast or Ava might be, it doesn’t justify spreading misinformation to a large audience. This isn’t about defending Mr. Beast; it’s about pushing back against harmful false narratives. Just because he’s involved doesn’t make it acceptable to rush out a video filled with inaccuracies, including a poorly censored image they believed to be CSAM-something that would have been far more disturbing if it were true. The video could have focused on the unusual nature of the chats without insinuating that Mr. Beast was involved in creating a group to share CSAM. In fact, it was Ava who initially created the group for adult memes and strange content, which later evolved into a work chat. And am I the only one who finds it odd that the video was even posted? If they genuinely believed it was CSAM, reporting it to the FBI should have been the end of it. Yes, Ro did report it, but sharing a poorly censored image with such a massive TH-cam following was reckless and potentially retraumatizing for the victim. The disturbing thumbnail and sensationalized handling of these serious allegations make it seem like their focus was more on damaging Mr. Beast than genuinely caring for a potential victim’s well-being.
Rosanna has been on Jimmy’s neck since all of this popped off. As for dogpack, he’s giving me the impression that he wants to catch Jimmy so bad that he can’t accept he got this one wrong. He’s probably also worried about people discrediting everything because of this one mistake, but he definitely should’ve addressed this better
I feel like there's a lot of people in this comment section mad at Adam because he's not focusing on the fact that they got other evidence against Ava and Jimmy, regardless of whether or not it's actual CP (because Ava sent it with the intent of it being CP). Adam has been so clear that he is fully against everything inappropriate that's happened, and he's done plenty of videos covering that. The point he's trying to make in this particular video is that if Dogpack or Ro get something wrong about this allegation, it makes people who are confused less convinced that there's something nefarious going on. Getting a piece in the investigation wrong also lets Jimmy and Ava's supporters say that the whole thing is a lie. Adam is saying they need to be more careful, that's all. He's done plenty of other videos about how horrible all this is but it's okay to focus on this for literally one video out of many. I'm not his spokesperson lol, I just hate when commenters get all angry and confused cause they don't watch the other videos where he clearly makes his side.
this is a huge learning opportunity for dog pack and also for commentary/drama channels. this stuff is important to bring awareness to, but rushing into filming with vague information and throwing around heavy accusations is dangerous af. i get that being the first to report on these things will get more views and get more recognition in the future, but now dog pack literally fucked himself trying to be the first. even if he just misspoke, his reactions and more insight on the situation coming out just made everything so messy for him and everyone involved.
insightful video!! just a note, here in Australia we don't use the term 'CP', we use the term 'CAM' (child a material). It's an important distinction because the word 'P' has connotations of consent. just a tip for in future if you refer to it to uphold the safety of the victims :)
There's been a lot of people in the US using CSAM (SA rather than just A), I think it's even on the wiki for it. For a while I swear creators were trying to use CSAM but now... 🤷 Would also prefer we used other terms
That was not CP but to be fair Ava tyson not only thought it was, but she was also sending chadbases’ artwork in the group chat regularly. Chadbase draws CP (im misspelling his name for obvious reasons). She even had his framed art in their room, ava does share CP if she shares his art around. The fact ava tyson had no problem sharing his art and had no problem sharing what she thought was a 13y old Ivanka iS THE MAIN PROBLEM !!! Dog pack made it clear the problem was ava had was sharing potential cp knowingly and willingly!!!
My personal feeling is that the fact dogpack felt the need to say "IF this person is 13 as Ava alledges" in the first place meant he already had at least an inkling that she was older, if he didn't already know. Dogpack's vibe in that video also made me uncomfortable, like he was too excited about the idea of taking down mr beast to be adequately serious about the nature of what was posted. Having said that, none of it changes my opinion that mr beast and ava tyson are awful people who don't deserve a platform and should be held accountable for how they've hurt others.
I think when looking at the clip where DogPack said that, it was very off the cuff and not him deliberately making a statement if that makes sense. There probably WAS CP in that chat and that’s what he’s referring to.
Right like there’s a certain level you shouldn’t pass and having what you believe is cp (censored but nonetheless) IN YOUR THUMBNAIL IS WAY OVER THAT BAR
I've found that Dogpack is often sloppy when it comes to the worst allegations he airs. It's a shame, because his work could be so powerful, but these repeated instances of poor fact checking makes me wary when I engage with his work.
i dont think dogpack saying one time that it was cp when he spends the entire segment saying he wasnt sure and it was alleged is like, the gotcha people think it is
Yeah, Dog Pack messed up really badly and he's messing it up even further more by not addressing it correctly... For me, it has to do with saying something more carefully, with more respect as well. People mess up with "line delivery" because rambling can lead to where something doesn't makes sense anymore... You know, sometimes being scripted is a great thing, and sometimes it can't be... Also, not to hate on Rosanna, but she has an editing team can back her up to the point that that part of the video should've been taken out or bleeped... Ro's team should resemble something like what Swoop does... 😐😐😐 Also, someone did mention in comments Ro and Dog Pack are not really journalists... 😅 So, careful with word choices.
I watched that original video, and i thought that what he was saying in that clip was that while the stuff he was about to show was disgusting, nothing could be more disgusting than distributing cp which is what Ava thought she was doing if she thought it was a 13 y/o in the picture. I didn't think the point was ever that dogpack or Rosanna ever thought that it definitely was or wasn't cp, just that Ava was trying to distribute cp. Am i missing something? Why does it matter if the people who brought attention to this looked it up to see if the picture was what the person who sent it thought it was when the point was that the person thought they were distributing cp? Side note, I know if somebody sent me something they claimed to be cp, i wouldn't be the one trying to look it up. That's what police investigations are for, and can't you get yourself into trouble if you are trying to find stuff like that, right?
Idk, i can see how this is Dog Pack dropping the ball under pressure, but at the end of the day this is video was on Rosanna's channel. She's an adult, too, and could have easily taken out the bits that made claims of CP (instead of stating "alleged CP"). I think the blame lies on both of them tbh. Which sucks because I wanna see Mr. Beast and Ava taken down for this crap. Having and distributing CP is disgusting and while the internet was able to find out that Ivanka was 18 in the photo, viewing and distributing lewd photis or videos while under the pretense of the person in the media being underage is still illegal. That's why To Catch a Predator works. As long as the predator thinks the person theyre talking to or looking at is underage, it can still be tried as a crime. Im sure it varies state to state though. I think Rosanna's decision to report him is their saving grace however, because if the FBI does do an investigation, there would be plenty of evidence against Mr. Beast anyways.
As much as I like Rosanna, she's not blameless in this either. It was just as reckless for her to not do some fact-checking of her own and she should've known better than to post the video with Dogpack's accusation unedited. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Ava's intentions about sharing the Ivanka photo in the first place and other things that might've been in those chats that they couldn't show us, but that was some really messy handling of an extremely serious allegation.
This. If Roseanna is gonna spearhead exposing Mr. Beast, she needs to check sources and resources. She can't just rely on others to do it for her. It was also on her channel. She could've edited in an "allegedly" or just edited out what Dogpack said. She is also responsible for what she puts out on her page. I'm not okay with all the pointing at just Dogpack as if Rosanna wasn't sitting right next to him and agreeing.
Nicolas deorio has posted a clear timeline of the whole storyline, im really disappointed in her behaviour and how shes handling this with dogpack who has already buggered up evidence/information in the recent past. I believe that for Ro her grudge towards mr.beast on the past mistreatment she recieved is making her run high on her emotions. She needs to step back and dogpack needs to let someone else handle with finding/putting together evidence. Because this will become an EDP445 incident from the mishandling of the evidence.
Please please please consider eliminating the terminology “CP” from your vocabularies. It’s very unfortunate that it’s still used in some criminal/legal situations, and I know it’ll be something that takes effort to change. But that change has SUCH a big impact for people like me who have been directly impacted by this illegal medium. CSAM is just a couple additional letters but the difference in meaning is immeasurable. “Porn” implies legal production and presumes ethical consumption. That CANNOT happen if minors are involved.
who cares if its not actually cp they sent the picture to each other thinking it was cp they would not have sent it if they knew she wasnt underage omg
It’s not dogpack’s job to determine if the photo shared was cp or not, especially when the sender sent it claiming they believed it was an underage person. He did the right thing by bringing it to the authorities. Did he miss an “alleged” sure, but otherwise I wouldn’t say it’s wild for him to have jumped to the conclusion he did. I wouldn’t want to be the one researching the background of that image, and he shouldn’t have had to (especially if it was real cp). That’s why the fbi has a unit for this very thing.
If that’s the case then they shouldn’t have shared the image, regardless if it was censored in Rosanna’s video if they believed there was a chance it was cp
I don’t know legally what could happen to DogPack, but I feel like after saying, “allegedly, allegedly, allegedly” over and over in that same video, failing to say it ONCE, the general public can put together the alleged sentiment. Again, that one time not saying allegedly could get him in legal trouble, I don’t know that much details of the law and not act like I do. But playing that one clip as a “gotcha” feels nitpicky to me. Paige has been giving #1 Ro Hater since Day 1 so I can’t take anything she says about Ro and Co as unbiased.
Adam, I get that Rosanna is your friend, but why are you not holding her responsible at all…? CP is not a “got ya” funny haha moment like she wanted it to be.
The gotcha is not "cp was shared in the chat" the gotcha was "Tyson shared a pic that she thought was cp in the chat and even tho it turned out it actually was an 18 year old Tyson thought it was a 13 year old"
@@jangminoonawell that’s all fine and swell until Rosanna puts the picture (censored but still what she believed to be cp at the time) in her thumbnail to SHARE to the public. That is unacceptable. Censored or not it should not be shared to anyone but the fbi, and even if it was censored it was done so very poorly
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Sorry she has been factually wrong many times.
So has dogpack. I don't trust her or his motives.
But rosanna also needs to disclose her ads on social media because that can get her fined heavily
I do think it is important to mention that, while the photo ended up not being CP (thank god), Kris Tyson sent it in the group chat under the assumption that the girl in the photo could have been 13. Her intent was to send CP to that group chat.
I hate to defend it in any way but we gotta do more research on these things.
Maybe Rosana didn't remember because she wasn't a young man at the time, but I'm a year younger than her and I remembered that photo from a magazine we had in the public library. If there's more to it than that would make a lot of sense but pushing that photo as evidence was a bad move.
Why is this not the focus of the video!!??? Is there some sort of incentive to defend this!? Why are creators not focusing on it??
I watched that video before all the criticism and I 1000% thought oh it could or could not be Ivanka and it could or could not be an under age pic. But that it was never the point.the intention was.!?
Yes, i dont get peoples reaction to this like it discredits everything. Because in their video, dog pack literally says he wasnt sure if Ivanka was actually underage in that pic but the fact ava tyson thought she was 13 IS the main problem. The other times in the video he didn’t add the allegedly when mentioning the Ivankas pic was clearly mentioning how Ava was intentionally and knowingly sharing potential CP. People are completely also ignoring the fact theres multiple screenshots of Ava tyson sharing chadbases’ art (im misspelling his name on purpose for obvious reasons) in public and in group chats, their art is literally CP!!
@@Qb3nsis I don't disagree, and I also do think this whole thing was mishandled. If they had more compelling evidence, they should've used that or made it significantly clearer that the allegations were not confirmed. BUT, my main issue is that everyone acts like this discredits everything. Like did we not all see the same chats?? Kris Tyson sent the photo with the intent of sending CP into a group chat that Jimmy was present in, which means he knew.
Agreed. And nobody in the chat thought to call it out? That’s what’s upsetting to me.
The intent of Ava Kris Tyson is still bad though whether or not it's CP or not
Right because she thought it was even if it wasn’t
This!! Because she sent it under the assumption that ivanka was 13
Am I wrong?? Like people are more upset about not saying alleged other than Ava ThOUGHT it was CP and sent it with that thought. Did I misunderstand? And I would never reverse image search something I thought was illegal or cp. did I understand that wrong??
Personally, I feel like there's real CP in these chats and that they've reported it to the FBI but cannot SHOW us the CP because that's distributing it which is illegal. It was a slip of the tongue for him to not say alleged, but they know more than us and have to tiptoe their way through spreading awareness and working with the law. It's unfortunate it's being blown up that he 'messed up' and not all of the other things they showed in that video and what goes on in those work chats. They can't show everything to us, but they're trying to be as transparent as they can
I agree
thats what i was thinking like there very well could be CP but obviously it's illegal to actually show it which I feel like some people don't realize you cant show every single thing
This is my opinion word for word
@@astoria4774 well they at the time thought the original picture in the video was cp but that didn’t stop them from showing and mentioning it. If they believed it to be cp they never should’ve shown it in the first place
I fully 100% agree with this
I dont think ANY of this matters, ava assumed it was cp and sent it with joy like wtaf??? who cares he accidentally forgot to say allegedly when ava wants to share cp.
Isn’t the point that it was shared on the group chat with the belief it was a 14 year old? Like that’s the issue that they’ve raised. Ava believed it was CP and willingly shared it…
THIS !!! why are people so focused on the fact that she’s not underage ava thought she was so what does it matter if it wasn’t she wanted it to be a 13 year old..
at the end of the day it totally is but the problem is they both made it sound like it was 100% a 14 year old when it wasn't, not hating on them at all BUT it still creates a huge problem because they didn't do proper research I believe that's why people are calling them out but I agree people are forgetting ava sent thinking it was a 14 year old that should be the focus
@@duckie3088except he stated he wasnt 100% sure she was actually a minor in the picture? People dont have ears
But a simple reverse image search. The first page shows the picture and where it's from.
Dogpack lied straight up saying multiple times he reverse image searched. When he didn't
@@duckie3088ro is also old enough to know. Ivanka had a modelling career even the blurred image it's clear it's a modelling shot.
End of day, Dog Pack screwed up. But this doesn’t take away or remove the fact that Mr. Beast is still an egotistical asshole and has other terrible allegations he has YET to address.
Agreed
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1000%. Just such a shame people aren't focusing on the main point. Wish this was a video mostly on the issues on the group chat or the fact that both Mr Beast and Ava actually THOUGHT it was of a 13 yr old. And idk I don't think anyone who actually watched the dog pack/rosanna video would never think they were saying it's 1000% CP. It was more just presenting what Ava and Mr Beast were joking about and saying. I honestly got the idea from the video that they didn't think she was 13at all. And she doesn't look it. I think they were trying to present it as they were saying that she was 13 and that made them like the pic more. I just don't understand why that isn't the focus.
I actually think under the law even if someone is over age and presents themselves as underage, atleast in person, it can still be prosecuted? Might not be the same in the US.
Also sharing info to the FBI is totally understandable. That's the right thing to do under any suspicion! She isn't going to go after them, the fbi will if they get enough evidence! I think any law enforcement would say if you have anything you think is suspicious or relevant, share it. Idk why the fbi thing is a focus at all...
Isn’t the only important part here that Kris literally said in the messages “as far as I’m aware this is nsfw of a minor harhar”… like…nothing else should matter. Nothing should change in how this is being handled. As far as they all knew it was CP when Kris sent it and nothing was done.
Well they believed it to be cp at the time, but Rosanna literally put the image (poorly censored) as the thumbnail of her video and shared it in the video. That is my major criticism of their handling of the situation, if they believed it to be cp they should have never shown it to the public censored or not.
@@weekashee178dangggg I didn’t know this part! i wasn’t looking when i was watching that video and didn’t catch that 😮
@@weekashee178They censored it though, so it's not like they showed the actual full image uncensored
@@Neo-Queenserenityt2l That's still bad tho, why use the image at all??
@@Neo-Queenserenityt2l censored or not (it wasn’t even censored well) that’s not a good thing to do regardless. It should only be shared with the fbi not put in a TH-cam video.
I think it’s possible that there could be actual CP in the chats that they cannot show. If Ava was comfortable enough to send what she thought was CP, who’s to say she didn’t send more that we haven’t seen yet? She could have sent others that turned out to be CP
Honestly I can totally see this happening
Memes mainly. A lot of photos.
But you don't report cp to fbi. It's homeland security
While the information was false with Ivanka actually being 13, there is literally screenshot evidence of Ava assuming that the photo was an explicit photo of a 13 year old girl and sending the uncensored image with the intent of showing the Mr beast work chat explicit photos of an underaged girl. Also even if Ivanka was 18 in that photo, sending explicit images of an 18 year old to people in their 20-30s is literally still weird and disgusting? Like you’re still sharing images of someone who only like just became a legal adult-
That latter part has been a global problem for decades and proudly ignored by all law makers & law enforcements.
Like people can turn 18 while still in high school, it's such a big exploit loophole taken by porn sites/porn producers/pimps etc.
And of course the heavy moral issue of targeting someone who just turned into a young adult...
Sending explicit photos of people of age in a work chat is still wild. And in most companies would fall under the umbrella of sexual harassment
If they didn't consent to seeing that, it can be seen as SA, as others have said and if there were ANY minors in chat, then that could be child endangerment or child exploitation, which is also a crime.
I do think he may have had a slip of the tongue, but there WAS CP "art" which is a crime as well.
A mistake was made but I think it should still be talked about that Ava still THOUGHT it was a child and that speaks volumes
Yes but so did rosana and dogpack, all 3 of them shared what was implied / assumed to be CP, dogpack somewhat censored it but the person was still identifiable. It speaks volumes for all 3 of them.
If you can excuse rosana and dogpack sharing it you also indirectly excuse ava sharing it. That is the issue
Yes everyone understands that
@@ohyafoundme4836I'm so glad people are realizing this now
@@ohyafoundme4836 that’s a good point
Literally all Dogpack had to say was, "Oh I'm sorry guys. I misspoke there. Please note, that I did say 'alleged' for everything else, that one clip was a slip of the tongue. I also own that more research should have been done prior to posting. Especially with such a serious topic. I apologize and will do better moving forward." Literally all he had to say...
Literally perfectly said.
He couldn't he's misspoke & put things into videos. He admitted wasn't true, when he published them.
i agree but it doesnt take away from everything they spoke about in the video too
@@busykat6278 Yeah, I don't want people to lose sight over this and put all the focus on this, it just gives them more leverage :/
I get a lot of ppls points about keeping Rosanna accountable (she definitely shouldve hired a research team), but i do think the INTENT speaks more volumes than the execution. It doesnt really matter that the image wasnt legally a minor. Its close enough as they could legally get though and the intent WAS CP! This behavior is unacceptable no matter which way you wanna view it.
I think a lot of people are glossing over this fact. The image was shared because the Ava thought it was CP.
Rosanna could've corrected her mistakes. Edited her video.
She didn't. She doubled down & sperged out in nicholas deorio chat and on top that she's run her mouth about the group chat adam was in.
She is supposed to be adam friend & should've said hang on Dawson.
Don't lie on adam.
Yes exactly
@julieannewaller7541 I don't really know anything about that, but I am a little concerned about the lack of criticism for Rosanna. The fact they thought they found CP and thier next thought was to press record...? Weird. Putting a blurred image of the alleged "CP" in the thumbnail? Even weirder. It seems that there was no regard anywhere along the way of making that video for any alleged victim.
@kin8665 I get what you mean, but the next thought was to report it to the FBI, and reporting on alleged CP the minute you find out about it isn't exactly a route for criticism unless you're specifically talking about the lack of research involved. I do think it's weird no one is really giving Ro the same energy as DogPack. He might have been the one to bring the information, but as the head of "take MrB down" party Ro is obligated to deeply research her or the findings anyone brings to her, including basic fact-checking so stuff like this doesn't happen. On the bright side, the lack of criticism for her part probably means her credibility won't be damaged too much.
okay... to play devil's advocate. the time in the video where he mentioned the photo without saying "alleged' eaasilly could have been a slip of the tongue
Yeah it was when they were moved on from that particular topic
And the thing is the person sent it saying it was a child and that’s the big issue
I thought that until I saw how he responded.
@@jaydenvanderheyden2064I'm pretty sure that even he was with this sentiment but didn't know how to describe it.
Put yourself in his place, you're doing a video with emotions going through and you have to say "allegedly" every other word to what you believe it's not alleged. Would you not slip out? And if you did, would you EVEN notice? These things happen in the heat of the moment. I swear it's so ridiculous calling out a minor error when there's so many other weird things that happened in the group chat.
@MarielWhalley still would have responded better. I can understand having slip ups. But he still responsible for how he responds to people reactions to his slip up and the fact he could have easily faced check the photo.
I do feel like it was just dogpack talking without choosing his words carefully or thinking much of it and harping on that one clip is a tiny bit much. But his response definitely didn’t help the situation and he could’ve addressed it better. It kinda feels like he’s wanting to catch Jimmy in something so much so that he doesn’t want to accept that he was wrong about this one, but that might just be me
I mean, to be fair, forgetting to say “allegedly” one single time is very very easy to do. I would not be out here reverse image searching something I believe to be CP either. I’m handing it into the police and I’m telling people what I saw to warn them. I really don’t think him not purposefully trying to find the source of what he believed to be CP is an issue. That’s not his job. That’s the police’s job. I DO think he’s being overly defensive about it but I really don’t think this was some huge fuck up. I think it was one slip of the tongue and not wanting to find CP which is very very fair
Saying "allegedly" does not even protect people from being sued for defamation. This is an internet myth.
Defamation suits against public figures require "actual malice" (in quotes because it has a specific legal meaning) - this is the tricky part, because it focuses on intent and what people knew/truly believe. (Being intentionally misleading in order to cause harm is what must be avoided.) An extra "allegedly" would not help here. He was stating opinion. Again: intent and knowledge are the things that matter, not the total number of allegedlies.
I don't feel good at ALL about people blowing past what Ava did. The message was disgusting and I'm glad that Mr. Pack and Ro reported it instead of "doing their own research" - DO NOT EVER DO THAT FOR POTENTIAL CSAM, oh my god?? 😭
There are some crimes where evidence of the intent behind the crime matters more than actually successfully completing the crime. Like someone doesn't have to take your bribe for you to get in trouble for trying to bribe them, they don't have to catch someone tryna sell certain substances as long as the person has more than a certain amount at one time, you don't actually have to unalive someone to be held accountable for making an attempt.
Idk if spreading CP/CSAM is one of those, but I think it should be if it isn't. In that light, the specific material they actually ended up sending is less important than what they thought the material was. Their intent was to distribute CP/CSAM, which is one of the grossest crimes out there.
I agree he should've done more research/they should've addressed the topic differently and his attitude about being corrected sucks, but this backlash seems like a real distraction campaign cuz it's entirely possible it's still a crime even if she was 18.
100% they will latch on to any distraction. KSI ranting for weeks about DanTDM's criticism and discounting Ro as "a girl we used to think was cute" are I think other examples.
@GruntyHerder I honestly don't get their press strategy. I'm sure they don't have one, it's just funny they have so much money to blow on stupid companies and frivolous lawsuits but can't afford a PR person to just tell em no once in a blue moon.
Like a normal PR person would say if the accusations are credible and we can spin em, respond to them, if they aren't, ignore them. The weird "we'll use some ad hominem attacks to distract from the accusations" strategy is just wild and so unserious.
I don't think they needed to address it differently. The point of the video is that Mr. Beast claimed he didn't know about Ava being a predator. So, the purpose of the video is exactly as it says in the title, Jimmy KNEW. They did a sufficient job of proving that.
Trying to devalue what this video brought to light because he didn't dive deep enough on a picture he thought might be CP/CSAM is kind of insane. I wouldn't want to dig too deep on that reverse image search either. That's something I, personally, would rather leave to the authorities so I don't get investigated as well. Which I feel is something people forget about in cases like this. If you misstep even a little bit, you could end up being in hot water yourself.
I can't fully blame Dog Pack for not investigating the photo, considering the context he had from Ava was that it was cp, and Ava saying that put the thought in his head, and it's hard for some people to remember to say "allegedly" every single time, especially when they already have their mind made up based on what the poster said. That being said... yeah he really needs to take the L here.
It’s crazy how people (myself included) either doubted ro and called her dramatic (and still do) in the beginning. Mama ro was on it before any of us had a single clue. Watching the video, it sucks how one slip up from DogPack could cause such a large issue for Ro.
Idk, I never doubted her or thought she was blowing anything out of proportion. She’s been in the industry for a very, VERY long time. She doesn’t speak on something unless it truly is _that serious._ I’m glad she’s being vindicated.
@@breetoldyousofr! People also forget she’s famous as well? Like why would she risk all that for a random TH-cam guy unless it’s something that’s really concerning
For real, they should have edited that out or something
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Maybe when dogpack said cp he meant the topic of them talking about it, it wasn’t the best wording on his part but I think it was like that in my head anyway.
i definitely agree on this but i think it’s his responsibility with a topic this important to not make those mistakes bc it could really really hurt the cause.
That's what I'm saying, like the CP topic and the fact that Ava spoke about it as CP
That’s what I was thinking as well
That's exactly my thought. I think this is definitely nit picking bcs at the end of the day the context of the conversation was that he was sending this in the intent of sharing CP. I honestly thought just like he was mentioning like the CP topic.. 🤷🏼♀️
@@isaphoriaOK but is he the one editing Rosanna's video as well?
I don't think it's this big of a deal. I know it's risky and should have probably been caught in editing, but it seemed more like a slip of the tongue, and the two of them did think it was cp at the time. Also with Rosanna reporting Mr Beast and ava to the fbi before the video was filmed, I don't think the Ivanka image was the only alleged cp in the chat. I get what you're saying, but honestly this just seems like outrage over a simple mistake, and I don't think it's that important.
I agree with you 100%. It's a mistake that shouldn't have been made, but why are we harping so hard on Dog Pack? The focus should be that Ava is undeniably a pdf file...and Mr. Beast knew. An entire group chat was at least somewhat aware and nothing happened.
I think he meant it as in the subject itself, how Ava herself thought it was CP, I think it was just misinterpreted
@@thatcitrusfriend6234 100%
To be fair, if they genuinely thought it was cp, I wouldn’t want to try to look that shit up to “fact check” either in case it WAS real.
Which is why it's concerning instead that they showed a blurred version of it in the video and tried out using it in the thumbnail.
Dog Pack *AND ROSANNA* (hold your friend accountable, Adam) didn’t fact check. And because they didn’t fact check, they could be the reason this doesn’t amount to any consequences for Mr. Beast.
You seriously think everything will fall apart because 1 slip up from dog pack? Did you miss the fact that he's already stepping down as ceo? 😂😂
@@jangminoonaWith how his fans are, and with Keemstar and Logan Paul supporting him…YEAH. Mr. Beast is *RICH WHITE MAN WITH CONNECTIONS* . He will probably just get a slap on the wrist and pay people off.
@@CWazBroadwayBandGeekI agree 1000%
@@CWazBroadwayBandGeek It won't work forever! Sooner or later people are gonna squeal and when they do it will be too late for Jimbo
@@CWazBroadwayBandGeek To be fair though, he’s been a rich white man this entire time, and so a slap on the wrist has been the unfortunate and unjust likely outcome even if there had been zero slip ups on Ro’s part. 🥲
I’m sorry but is it not up to Rosanna to filter through and safe check these allegation as well? Rosanna is kinda spearheading this whole Mr beast thing which don’t get me wrong, I hate Jimmy and I think it’s necessary. But tbh I think they BOTH need to slow it down, she’s not a real journalist, neither of them are. It was bound to happen that she reported something unfounded, it is her responsibility to investigate who she collaborates with and what information she puts out there. CP is a SERIOUS allegation…
that’s what I was thinking. the final edit of the video is on her and her team as well, even if they say something risky they should have some time to fact-check it and potentially leave it on the cutting room floor. I hope from here on out they have someone or multiple someones behind the scenes who knows safe and responsible journalistic practices, for both research and reporting.
Exactly, it’s not just up to to dog pack.
This. I'm surprised Adam didn't call this out.
Right all they’re doing is hurting their own credibility now
My thought as well, I'm glad I'm not alone. Rosanna and her team have control of the edit. I don't remember if they had a blanket disclaimer on the video, not sure if that would be enough to cover what's being alleged. I hope she has some legal counsel that's reviewing these videos before she puts them out. (I'm all for what they're doing, I just hope they're being safe and not opening themselves up to litigation)
It upsets me the way Ro sensationaized the situation by her thumbnail, putting the blurred photo with "she's 13!" Is actually awful. Imagine if that was a REAL CHILD!!! It's also terrible how excited they are at the idea of finding CP in a Mr Beast chat because if that was a real child then that would've been a VICTIM. It is entirely insensitive the way they acted making a react video to a potential victim. If it wasn't Ivanka Trump and just a random child, just think of how much more disgusted everyone would feel because it's not a celebrity.
Can we also acknowledge how dogpack was wrong about James Warren too? He said he found DV charges but it was the wrong person and if he waited a few more days he would've received the Freedom of Information order telling him that but he's started to rush the allegations instead of thoroughly checking what he's speaking about. It's exactly what's happened here with being wrong about the Ivanka Trump picture. He's rushing to try and stay relevant instead of thoroughly investigating these allegations and that's only going to destroy his credibility more and more until people are going to give up on all the allegations and let Mr Beast get away with the actual bad things that have happened.
nah bc you're so right fr
EXACTLY! So well put and it’s disappointing Adam isn’t calling that out. I’m a big fan but this whole glossing over that is so frustrating no one is calling her out for really dropping the ball and refusing to correct it especially people who’s words hold more weight like Adam
Rosana needs to be fact checking anything that comes through her. I'm not letting her off the hook when she's been posting the videos about this entire saga. She needs to be making sure the information she's getting is verifiable, even when (and especially when) it comes from a friendly face.
doesnt matter that post was showed to kids by chris…
the CACKLE i let out seeing this title. she is doing the MOST and i’m here for it!!!!!
She is doing the exact right thing she should be doing with the evidence she is able to collect. I have so much respect for her.
@@cocovcoco exactly, I'm sick of people saying that she's doing too much
No fr I read the title and turned into Mr Burns going “Excellent” 😈
@@RatClowns Yeah we know that Mr. Beast is bad but her whole vendetta against him is the result of some petty drama during a show. I think it's funny that she hates him so much
STAWDEW VALLY!?!??!?!??!?!?
Everyone had a responsibility to fact check, friends of yours or not.
While I can agree that Dogpack and Rosanna need to maybe slow down a bit and he needs to respond to critique better, it is a HUGE problem that Ava shared what she believed could be possible CP and to a work chat, to boot. That speaks volumes about her and the environment at that company, regardless of whether or not this specific example was actual CP.
All that he needed to do was to say that he meant to say “the alleged cp thing” rather than saying “the cp” I think thats where the issue is.
I thinkhe was just short hand referencing and just slipped up idk why Paige has clipped that like a gotcha moment!! I mess up words all the time and I think he just forgot to say alleged and we all knew what he ment!
@@truecrimenwine489 exactly. He clearly was referring to what he had previously said when he did say “alleged” or whatever it was he said exactly.
Here’s how I feel about this particular thing.
I don’t like how they BOTH shared CP online WITHOUT going to the authorities. Just so we are clear, once you find CP on ANY device, you IMMEDIATELY go to the police or FBI. You DO NOT go to social media.
Edit: thank god it was NOT CP. It would have been so much worse if it was.
100%. They thought they found CP and decided to POST IT ONLINE. doesn’t matter if it’s censored you still never do that
@ exactly
100% This is my main criticism too! If you suspect something is even potentially CP you do not share it, do not save it on your device and just go to the police or a hotline, some hotlines can guide you on how to correctly report things and even what to do after that. Sharing images of alleged cp leaves people finding the image, sharing it and hurting the person in the image no matter your intentions. If it was actually cp then the person in the photo would have their photos circulating in more groups. Its so worrying how ( from my perspective as a viewer) the video was more about calling out bad people and how bad they were being by proving it even if the victim it put at risk rather than focusing on warning people to be cautious & protecting potential victims. Which is an issue but even more so if children are involved
Petty Paige's video was so biased and bad faith. She doesn't have a video about the actual allegations just a video how Rossana covered it incorrectly.
Can't stand her
But Ro’s cover has to be correct especially for this sensitive topic, and the fact that Ro reported to the FBI. When you wanna do that, you wanna make sure you report things correctly, that’s what Paige’s point was. Aside how Paige feels about Rosanna, Paige’s correct on the point of correct reporting because you don’t want any information to be compromised.
I am on Rosanna and Dogpak’s side, but these slip up can have consequences if a proper investigation needs to be done. It’s okay to point out mistakes to our favourite creators.
@@sabrina1646 my point is that it's evident that Petty Paige doesn't care about getting the truth out on this topic until Rossana made multiple videos.
It very much seems like Petty Paige was just waiting for the perfect opportunity to strike at a weak point rather than reporting on the truth.
In my opinion if it was truly important to Paige she would've reported on it prior to Rossana or Dogpack.
@@AddisonSandoval hmm I disagree with that. She made the video precisely on making sure to report accurate information, because Paige herself made a mistake when she was reporting on Colleen, and news outlets were reporting on that misinformation rather than the actual facts. Rosanna’s videos are good to, but this particular video about the groupchat, other people have been talking about it, oompaville and Nicholas DeOrio (sp?) about this slip up.
Edit: I see what you mean, I think she isn’t reporting because other creators are reporting on MrBeast as well
@sabrina1646 I disagree because she has not taken the time to actually take the Mr Beast/Tyson allegations seriously like she has for Rossana. It seems personal for Paige. To me her not reporting because others are reporting seems like speculation, and like you just said Paige feels like the others are getting it wrong so why wait until Rossana's platform makes a mistake to finally address it?
Like you said she make a video about being precise on reporting info, not a video about the horrendous actions of Mr Beast or Tyson. That's why I said Petty doesn't really care and it seems like it's more about Rossana for Paige.
While I do feel that the majority of the blame falls on dogpack, Rosanna isn’t entirely innocent in the situation either. At the end of the day she allowed the video to be uploaded on her channel which is her co-signing it. I think she needs to be more intentional and careful with what she allows on her channel. I also feel like it was in very VERY poor taste that either her original thumbnail or one of the test thumbnails included a poorly censored version of what they thought to be cp. if they believed the image to be cp I don’t believe either of them should have shared the image censored or not. It should have went straight to the fbi and the public should have never seen such an intimate image of what they believed to be a minor, even if censored. I also want to say I don’t know how dogpack can deny downloading an uncensored image if he admits to not only reverse image searching it, but he also had to download the image to censor it.
I think that both dog pack and Rosanna completely mishandled this situation. They thought it was CP and then shared that material with their audience. Luckily it’s not but sharing an image, even a censored one, that you think is CP is still a big problem and illegal! I think the whole thing comes off as super disingenuous when she’s calling it “official company chat logs” when it was just a meme chat between coworkers and not doing the bare minimum research to check if it was actually a child or not absolutely tanks your credibility and leaves you wide open to defamation lawsuits.
This is why its important to say allegedly when youre speaking on a serious topic especially dealing with powerful people
Saying allegedly doesn't always save you though Unfortunatley.
6:54 its also important to note that despite being told that the CP allegations made were not real, dogpack retracted and made a disclaimer on the prospective videos and Rosanna did not, at least as far as i am currently aware feel free to correct me if im wrong and she has updated as of now.
The blame should not only be on DogPack but Rosanna aswell. It is also her job to check and make sure things are legit and factual. This made it seem like she’ll grasp at any little thing to go at Mr.Beast.
So saying DogPack didn’t do good research, what about Rosanna? It’s on HER channel, it’s HER edited video. Why didn’t SHE fact check?
I was really rooting for her but this made me question her, hopefully she’ll redeem herself
Really hope Ro makes a video discussing the things that’s happened since that video came out. If you aren’t on Twitter or not fully involved in all the mr beast stuff, you would have no idea about these inconsistencies in that video.
ava described it as cp, and dogpack is just referencing the photo, referencing first hand information. you cant get sued for showing first hand evidence
its also just so dodgy to me that they (with the assumption that it WAS cp) included the photo? no matter how censored the image is, it shouldnt of been shown, nevertheless used in the thumbnail. its so insensitive especially if it was actual cp? so dodgy imo..
This is EXACTLY what I’m saying I can’t believe more people aren’t acknowledging this
If it was CP they could get charged with production (since they altered the image) and distribution (since they showed it to their audience)
It sucks to see i was initially skeptical until more people started coming up and stating the facts. Good on Ro for exposing him honestly
It kinda feels like half this video is spent throwing dog pack under the bus to save face for Rosanna. They should both be fact checking (it’s on Rosanna’s channel after all)
Rosanna should be held accountable too to the same level...if not more as dogpacm. Like, they both screwed up. They couldve done their own research and she should really double check to make sure especially since its being presented on HER channel. It'll be a diff story imo if the video went on Dogpacks channel.
Yeahh same way she verified the messages she was receiving she needs to verify what dogpack shares with her
@@shanel4294unfortunately i think at the time she had no reason not to trust him (not that it excuses anything). However i really hope this means that a lot more care goes into future videos on mr beast
You have no idea how fast I clicked
This is something I was worried was going to happen when Ro started her Tea videos.
But this is also an example of a flaw with cancel culture. Digital vigilantism where we blatantly accuse people of things without being factual impact the effectiveness of what is completely true.
I get the slight attention on Ro, it was her channel that uploaded it. But this is absolutely Dogpack’s words and responses that are kicking this worse than it was.
I'm so glad you took your time when reporting this case, despite ppl wanting this to come out immediately
I'm on dog packs side because even if the Ivanka trump image wasnt CP, multiple times they make memes saying that Ava was into cp and he could easily be talking about that. All the jokes about Ava liking underage kids.
This is actually so strange..
I have seen all 3 of Dogpacks videos and all of them seem well researched and constructed but he goes on rosanna's channel and makes a baseless claim that could be life ruining? He BETTER not get Rosanna in trouble over his incompetence and I HOPE there is no legal trouble thrown at her because of this :( She has worked her ASS off exposing that man, and Dog pack has too so why is he just being incompetent when it is on someone else's behalf?
Also edit I do not believe this excuses anything Ava has done, she literally THOUGHT this was CP even if it wasn't. Also when watching that video Dog pack just had a weird demeanor imo..
Edit again 13:31 Maybe this is why I felt that way? Like he kept being strange and pushy in a way? But like he kept talking about CP and maybe that was why I was uncomfortable
EDIT AGAIN 15:02 ??? What the hell why is he saying you are defending Mr Beast?? You and Mutahar (the only people I know really) both don't support him 😭
I'd gently push back on the idea that _all_ of his videos were well-researched. There was one in which he was accusing someone of having a criminal history, but for evidence he showed a search for people with the guy's name and basically said, "This is a really common name, so I have no way of knowing if this is him. But some people with his name have criminal records, so it's possible one of these records is his!" And frankly, that's unacceptable.
why are we sweeping for friends? like its Ro's channel, she should be held accountable as well and its sad and disappointing that her friends refuse to acknowledge that. she should be there with dogpack leaving it to people more cut to a journalistic/investigative work like that if she cannot even fact check shit. it looks like they are more blood hungry than twitter, sorry Adam, im not buying that obvious of a sweep, they cannot even apologize for THE mistake we all agree they did
It’s good to see mr beast be put in his place!💜
I love that you are on top of this MrMarkoftheBeast situation! Thank you!
This video was weird idk……
Sounds like to me he was talking in a GENERAL sense, not an allegedly sense. Like they were changing the topic and he said, this is pretty bad or something like that, and then said well the CP is more disgusting... not meaning in a SOLELY way but the fact the CP is the topic of this investigation. IDK... I've been on this planet longer than y'all and I don't see this as a dangerous or accusing thing to say. The FACT is CP IS RECORDED TO HAVE BEEN IN BOTH MRBEAST and AVA's possession... there are VIDEOS out there, proving this... on MRBEAST's channel. It's not alleged, it's FACTUAL.
There isactually a much bigger issue with them getting the CP allegation wrong that I don't get why nobody is saying it.
People found out it was not CP because THEY PUT THE IMAGE IN THE VIDEO AND PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO REVERSE IMAGE SEARCH!
EHAT IF IT ACTUALLY WAS CP? I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE CALLING SOMEONE OUT, YOU STILL SHARED IT, AND IN AN EVEN MORE PUBLIC PLATFORM! ARE THEY DUMB?
And also Rosanna had her TH-cam thumbnail with what she thought was CP and it was horribly censored and even tested out 3 different thumbnails to see which would do better on the TH-cam algorithm, literally gross.
I know dogpack said it but couldn’t it have been edited out of the vid
NOT THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIONS 😭😭
not the full name 😭
@Beerambling things are SERIOUS 💜
Not the first middle and last name
Why do I feel like a little boy who just got his full name yelled at him by his mamma for being bad?😮
I think they had to report to the FBI that there was a chance they opened files potentially containing CP. If Mr. Beast files suit or a complaint, and the FBI hears through another avenue, Dogpack's or Rosana's computers could be seized via a warrant. Any trace of anything suggestively immoral could hurt them both. Preemptively contacting the FBI is in Rosana's best interest. Hope that helps.
No matter how problematic Mr. Beast or Ava might be, it doesn’t justify spreading misinformation to a large audience. This isn’t about defending Mr. Beast; it’s about pushing back against harmful false narratives. Just because he’s involved doesn’t make it acceptable to rush out a video filled with inaccuracies, including a poorly censored image they believed to be CSAM-something that would have been far more disturbing if it were true.
The video could have focused on the unusual nature of the chats without insinuating that Mr. Beast was involved in creating a group to share CSAM. In fact, it was Ava who initially created the group for adult memes and strange content, which later evolved into a work chat.
And am I the only one who finds it odd that the video was even posted? If they genuinely believed it was CSAM, reporting it to the FBI should have been the end of it. Yes, Ro did report it, but sharing a poorly censored image with such a massive TH-cam following was reckless and potentially retraumatizing for the victim. The disturbing thumbnail and sensationalized handling of these serious allegations make it seem like their focus was more on damaging Mr. Beast than genuinely caring for a potential victim’s well-being.
THANK YOUUUU EXACTLY
SOMEONE GETS IT. Rosanna and dogpacks credibility should 100% come into question after this.
THANK YOU OMG
But didn't he refer to the alleged CP in the entire chat? There was more than just Ivanka's picture. They were drawings and cartoons, but still...
if they were drawings and cartoons, then that isnt classified as CP.
Rosanna has been on Jimmy’s neck since all of this popped off. As for dogpack, he’s giving me the impression that he wants to catch Jimmy so bad that he can’t accept he got this one wrong. He’s probably also worried about people discrediting everything because of this one mistake, but he definitely should’ve addressed this better
the way i was crying and shut up bcs adam posted
I feel like there's a lot of people in this comment section mad at Adam because he's not focusing on the fact that they got other evidence against Ava and Jimmy, regardless of whether or not it's actual CP (because Ava sent it with the intent of it being CP). Adam has been so clear that he is fully against everything inappropriate that's happened, and he's done plenty of videos covering that. The point he's trying to make in this particular video is that if Dogpack or Ro get something wrong about this allegation, it makes people who are confused less convinced that there's something nefarious going on. Getting a piece in the investigation wrong also lets Jimmy and Ava's supporters say that the whole thing is a lie. Adam is saying they need to be more careful, that's all. He's done plenty of other videos about how horrible all this is but it's okay to focus on this for literally one video out of many. I'm not his spokesperson lol, I just hate when commenters get all angry and confused cause they don't watch the other videos where he clearly makes his side.
Mother is eating with that outfit today🙏
this is a huge learning opportunity for dog pack and also for commentary/drama channels. this stuff is important to bring awareness to, but rushing into filming with vague information and throwing around heavy accusations is dangerous af. i get that being the first to report on these things will get more views and get more recognition in the future, but now dog pack literally fucked himself trying to be the first. even if he just misspoke, his reactions and more insight on the situation coming out just made everything so messy for him and everyone involved.
insightful video!! just a note, here in Australia we don't use the term 'CP', we use the term 'CAM' (child a material). It's an important distinction because the word 'P' has connotations of consent. just a tip for in future if you refer to it to uphold the safety of the victims :)
There's been a lot of people in the US using CSAM (SA rather than just A), I think it's even on the wiki for it. For a while I swear creators were trying to use CSAM but now... 🤷 Would also prefer we used other terms
the fact that she INTENDED to send cp and most likely have in private chats is enough for me because the impact is the same.
Oof these tables are turning faster and faster and faster 💀
That was not CP but to be fair Ava tyson not only thought it was, but she was also sending chadbases’ artwork in the group chat regularly. Chadbase draws CP (im misspelling his name for obvious reasons). She even had his framed art in their room, ava does share CP if she shares his art around. The fact ava tyson had no problem sharing his art and had no problem sharing what she thought was a 13y old Ivanka iS THE MAIN PROBLEM !!! Dog pack made it clear the problem was ava had was sharing potential cp knowingly and willingly!!!
As soon as I see Rosanna in your title I waste no time clicking that notification fr
My personal feeling is that the fact dogpack felt the need to say "IF this person is 13 as Ava alledges" in the first place meant he already had at least an inkling that she was older, if he didn't already know. Dogpack's vibe in that video also made me uncomfortable, like he was too excited about the idea of taking down mr beast to be adequately serious about the nature of what was posted. Having said that, none of it changes my opinion that mr beast and ava tyson are awful people who don't deserve a platform and should be held accountable for how they've hurt others.
i used to watch your videos awhile ago and i found your channel again and i really love how your background looks now !
I think when looking at the clip where DogPack said that, it was very off the cuff and not him deliberately making a statement if that makes sense. There probably WAS CP in that chat and that’s what he’s referring to.
i have been WAITING for this adam
That woman is completly insane hateful and obsesed with mrbeast 😺😺😺
For Exposing his sick crimes? Yeah get off his d Lil bro😂
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO FROM YOU FOR SO LONGGGGG!!!!!
TH-camrs playing detectives, folks...that is not job for Y'all.
exactly!!
Right like there’s a certain level you shouldn’t pass and having what you believe is cp (censored but nonetheless) IN YOUR THUMBNAIL IS WAY OVER THAT BAR
@@weekashee178 exactly!! Like they’re sensationalising this situation, and often with TH-cam investigations, it doesn’t go too well.
I've found that Dogpack is often sloppy when it comes to the worst allegations he airs. It's a shame, because his work could be so powerful, but these repeated instances of poor fact checking makes me wary when I engage with his work.
genuine question but if they had allegedly been cp wouldn't it be illegal for them to have it to?
You know that Colleen is probably loving that Ro is close to being under fire. Since Ro called Colleen out for being nasty.
i dont think dogpack saying one time that it was cp when he spends the entire segment saying he wasnt sure and it was alleged is like, the gotcha people think it is
6:18 Unpopular opinion but I don't trust Paige Christine
Why?
Same, seeing her tweets during the inabber situation made me sick to my stomach
Yeah, Dog Pack messed up really badly and he's messing it up even further more by not addressing it correctly...
For me, it has to do with saying something more carefully, with more respect as well. People mess up with "line delivery" because rambling can lead to where something doesn't makes sense anymore... You know, sometimes being scripted is a great thing, and sometimes it can't be...
Also, not to hate on Rosanna, but she has an editing team can back her up to the point that that part of the video should've been taken out or bleeped... Ro's team should resemble something like what Swoop does... 😐😐😐 Also, someone did mention in comments Ro and Dog Pack are not really journalists... 😅 So, careful with word choices.
THIS TITLE IS WILD!??? omg i love this queen
the outffit matching the mic😩😍🖤💖
I watched that original video, and i thought that what he was saying in that clip was that while the stuff he was about to show was disgusting, nothing could be more disgusting than distributing cp which is what Ava thought she was doing if she thought it was a 13 y/o in the picture. I didn't think the point was ever that dogpack or Rosanna ever thought that it definitely was or wasn't cp, just that Ava was trying to distribute cp. Am i missing something? Why does it matter if the people who brought attention to this looked it up to see if the picture was what the person who sent it thought it was when the point was that the person thought they were distributing cp?
Side note, I know if somebody sent me something they claimed to be cp, i wouldn't be the one trying to look it up. That's what police investigations are for, and can't you get yourself into trouble if you are trying to find stuff like that, right?
Was waiting for this video because I missed a bunch and when I was trying to catch up I heard the word “cannibalism” and went WHAT 💀
Why did Rosanna invite Dogpack well knowing how poor his streams came out so far? It makes a bad look on Rosanna.
TH-cam recommended this 14 seconds too late 🙄
Idk, i can see how this is Dog Pack dropping the ball under pressure, but at the end of the day this is video was on Rosanna's channel. She's an adult, too, and could have easily taken out the bits that made claims of CP (instead of stating "alleged CP"). I think the blame lies on both of them tbh. Which sucks because I wanna see Mr. Beast and Ava taken down for this crap. Having and distributing CP is disgusting and while the internet was able to find out that Ivanka was 18 in the photo, viewing and distributing lewd photis or videos while under the pretense of the person in the media being underage is still illegal. That's why To Catch a Predator works. As long as the predator thinks the person theyre talking to or looking at is underage, it can still be tried as a crime. Im sure it varies state to state though. I think Rosanna's decision to report him is their saving grace however, because if the FBI does do an investigation, there would be plenty of evidence against Mr. Beast anyways.
As much as I like Rosanna, she's not blameless in this either. It was just as reckless for her to not do some fact-checking of her own and she should've known better than to post the video with Dogpack's accusation unedited. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Ava's intentions about sharing the Ivanka photo in the first place and other things that might've been in those chats that they couldn't show us, but that was some really messy handling of an extremely serious allegation.
This. If Roseanna is gonna spearhead exposing Mr. Beast, she needs to check sources and resources. She can't just rely on others to do it for her. It was also on her channel. She could've edited in an "allegedly" or just edited out what Dogpack said. She is also responsible for what she puts out on her page. I'm not okay with all the pointing at just Dogpack as if Rosanna wasn't sitting right next to him and agreeing.
Nicolas deorio has posted a clear timeline of the whole storyline, im really disappointed in her behaviour and how shes handling this with dogpack who has already buggered up evidence/information in the recent past. I believe that for Ro her grudge towards mr.beast on the past mistreatment she recieved is making her run high on her emotions. She needs to step back and dogpack needs to let someone else handle with finding/putting together evidence. Because this will become an EDP445 incident from the mishandling of the evidence.
Please please please consider eliminating the terminology “CP” from your vocabularies. It’s very unfortunate that it’s still used in some criminal/legal situations, and I know it’ll be something that takes effort to change. But that change has SUCH a big impact for people like me who have been directly impacted by this illegal medium.
CSAM is just a couple additional letters but the difference in meaning is immeasurable. “Porn” implies legal production and presumes ethical consumption. That CANNOT happen if minors are involved.
just started bleaching my hair so this is perfect timing
Rosanna Pansino exposing Mr. Beast is 2024's BYE SISTER
who cares if its not actually cp they sent the picture to each other thinking it was cp they would not have sent it if they knew she wasnt underage omg
It’s not dogpack’s job to determine if the photo shared was cp or not, especially when the sender sent it claiming they believed it was an underage person. He did the right thing by bringing it to the authorities. Did he miss an “alleged” sure, but otherwise I wouldn’t say it’s wild for him to have jumped to the conclusion he did. I wouldn’t want to be the one researching the background of that image, and he shouldn’t have had to (especially if it was real cp). That’s why the fbi has a unit for this very thing.
If that’s the case then they shouldn’t have shared the image, regardless if it was censored in Rosanna’s video if they believed there was a chance it was cp
They’re messing up the evidence omg leave it to the police
I don’t know legally what could happen to DogPack, but I feel like after saying, “allegedly, allegedly, allegedly” over and over in that same video, failing to say it ONCE, the general public can put together the alleged sentiment. Again, that one time not saying allegedly could get him in legal trouble, I don’t know that much details of the law and not act like I do. But playing that one clip as a “gotcha” feels nitpicky to me. Paige has been giving #1 Ro Hater since Day 1 so I can’t take anything she says about Ro and Co as unbiased.
Adam, I get that Rosanna is your friend, but why are you not holding her responsible at all…? CP is not a “got ya” funny haha moment like she wanted it to be.
The gotcha is not "cp was shared in the chat" the gotcha was "Tyson shared a pic that she thought was cp in the chat and even tho it turned out it actually was an 18 year old Tyson thought it was a 13 year old"
@@jangminoonawell that’s all fine and swell until Rosanna puts the picture (censored but still what she believed to be cp at the time) in her thumbnail to SHARE to the public. That is unacceptable. Censored or not it should not be shared to anyone but the fbi, and even if it was censored it was done so very poorly
Two words: Vigilante Shit!
Adammmmm bring you warmest coat to Chicago in FEBRUARY 😂
Last time I was in Chicago (in February actually 😂) it was so nice I didn't wear a coat because it was like -45F and blizzarding back home in Minnesota 😂
(Adam please bring your warmest coat)