Thanks for the interesting story of the many things that were done in the relentless task of defeating the Southern Rebellion. Once again I am reminded by how false hopes and confusing our wishes with reality causes such extreme distortion of the perception of reality. The Confederates wanted to win so badly that even defeat, the failure of foreign intervention and the complete lack of manufacturing resources, failed to cause them to reassess their position and to continue an otherwise hopeless, expensive and bloody cause that lasted years longer than it should have. They should have listened to Sherman, the South was too big for an insane asylum, but too small to be a country and their leaders should have noticed that wherever the Union Army went, slavery evaporated, taking with it the only real reason for their rebellion. But such is the power of false hope and confusing what you want to be with what is.
Here in Charleston we have Middleton Place, an anti-bellum plantation. It is interesting that its grounds were patterned after the Palace of Versailles. I can't wrap my head around how poor whites, the vast majority who didn't own slaves, fought a war to keep the Henry Middleton's living in opulence. More...the Planters would have remained rich if they gave up slavery and either paid the former slaves a wage or imported poor Europeans who would work for next to nothing.
@@scottw5315 Perhaps the world's best example of: "a Rich (slave owning) man's war and a poor man's fight." Of course, all the opulence you mentioned was made that much more affordable because Middleton didn't have to pay wages for all the labor he was entitled to by Southern law. This brings up another thing that is amazing and that is how, through feeding people propaganda and beliefs in stupid things, people will work in their own worst interests. Make "The War For Southern Independence" a "noble cause" by repeating it over and over again and appeal to the worst racist tendencies in the poor so that they have someone who is lower in status than even they are. With the right propaganda, skillfully broadcast and those same poor, deluded, wrongfully used people will fight to keep you rich and themselves poor. Back in those days the Southern poor had the "Fire Eater Press" to delude them, today we have AM Hate Talk radio and Fox Noise.
@@oldgeezerproductions Well, it was a rotten system and yes the Planters were the Southern Aristocrats not much different from the Royalty of old Europe. I'm reminded of Napoleon who said that with the right slogan he can get the Germans to fight harder against each other than against him. I believe at Waterloo the Saxon Germans fought against the Prussians. FYI, I'm from Charleston and never bought the idea of the Confederates that they were fighting for state rights. The only right they fought for was the right to own slaves. We lost a lot in that war. Too bad it happened. It remains the US's bloodiest war surpassing WWI and WWII.
The huge swings between despair and hope would continue until both the North and South became fully committed to resolving this great conflict in their favor.
The Union editorial in particular is written by someone with a little learning (a dangerous thing) about war saying that it'll be simple, fast, and relatively easy to wrap things up. Yes, hindsight tells us that, because it's a lesson in history. Journalists were experts in constructing articles, not military matters, so the Trib published something disconnected from military reality. And that matters, because journalists are experts in constructing segments and articles. They still are not military experts, and heaven knows they aren't military historians. So we who do should beware what they say about wars and combat, because they keep repeating that mistake laid out here. Even Cronkite and Rather indulged, and we are left to watch everyone else make the same mistake, over and over, and over again.
At 11:55 and 12:58, in the Tribune Editorial, "the Belleeze(sp?)" is mentioned, I assume a feature on the Mississippi river. Can anyone enlighten me as to what this refers to?
Most likely the following: La Balize, a former French fort and island at the mouth of the Mississippi River, was critical for ships traveling to and from New Orleans.
Absolutely fascinating event. Floyd skeedaddled because he was sure that he would be hanged for treason. N.B.Forrest was there to assist the breakout. Foote was terribly wounded when his flagship was hit by artillery fire. Grant earned the nickname Unconditional Surrender Grant here (“I propose to move upon your works..”) Grant generously offered Gen. Buckner his purse, all the cash he had, after the surrender because Buckner had lent money to a destitute Grant so he could leave California.
My word, the Chicago Tribune editorial was detailed in its prophesy! Perhaps they should have learned from Nostradamus to keep it vague enough to be able to claim they were right on all points, no matter the actual course of the war
Hindsight being perfect and all, i can't feel sorry about the sad story of Confederate misfortune in Tennessee(not that anyone should take military advice from newspaper editors in the first place). The South cried about Fts Henry and Donellson, but they tried REALLY hard to lose both. Henry was an indefensible flooded mess, and Donellson's defense was left in the hands of the most inept political General in world history(Floyd). Wail and rip your clothes in anguish if necessary, Mr.Editor, just stop being so surprised things didn't go well at either fort when the CSA did very little to ensure their defense.
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My great grandfather, Junior 2nd Lt. William Terry Mitchell 3rd Tennessee Infantry Rgt was captured at Ft. Donelson.
What happened to him afterwards?
@@PHILLYBULLDOG Probably nothing if he survived a stint through POW camps
Thanks for the interesting story of the many things that were done in the relentless task of defeating the Southern Rebellion. Once again I am reminded by how false hopes and confusing our wishes with reality causes such extreme distortion of the perception of reality. The Confederates wanted to win so badly that even defeat, the failure of foreign intervention and the complete lack of manufacturing resources, failed to cause them to reassess their position and to continue an otherwise hopeless, expensive and bloody cause that lasted years longer than it should have. They should have listened to Sherman, the South was too big for an insane asylum, but too small to be a country and their leaders should have noticed that wherever the Union Army went, slavery evaporated, taking with it the only real reason for their rebellion. But such is the power of false hope and confusing what you want to be with what is.
Here in Charleston we have Middleton Place, an anti-bellum plantation. It is interesting that its grounds were patterned after the Palace of Versailles. I can't wrap my head around how poor whites, the vast majority who didn't own slaves, fought a war to keep the Henry Middleton's living in opulence. More...the Planters would have remained rich if they gave up slavery and either paid the former slaves a wage or imported poor Europeans who would work for next to nothing.
@@scottw5315 Perhaps the world's best example of: "a Rich (slave owning) man's war and a poor man's fight." Of course, all the opulence you mentioned was made that much more affordable because Middleton didn't have to pay wages for all the labor he was entitled to by Southern law. This brings up another thing that is amazing and that is how, through feeding people propaganda and beliefs in stupid things, people will work in their own worst interests. Make "The War For Southern Independence" a "noble cause" by repeating it over and over again and appeal to the worst racist tendencies in the poor so that they have someone who is lower in status than even they are. With the right propaganda, skillfully broadcast and those same poor, deluded, wrongfully used people will fight to keep you rich and themselves poor. Back in those days the Southern poor had the "Fire Eater Press" to delude them, today we have AM Hate Talk radio and Fox Noise.
@@oldgeezerproductions Well, it was a rotten system and yes the Planters were the Southern Aristocrats not much different from the Royalty of old Europe. I'm reminded of Napoleon who said that with the right slogan he can get the Germans to fight harder against each other than against him. I believe at Waterloo the Saxon Germans fought against the Prussians. FYI, I'm from Charleston and never bought the idea of the Confederates that they were fighting for state rights. The only right they fought for was the right to own slaves. We lost a lot in that war. Too bad it happened. It remains the US's bloodiest war surpassing WWI and WWII.
Yes Indeed
Such an interesting, educational channel. Thanks.
Another great pod Ron. Thank you for your work
So nicely done! Thank You!
I was tickled by the term “Secessia, had not heard that one before.
Another great video, Well done!
Robert E. Lee: 'It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it.'
The huge swings between despair and hope would continue until both the North and South became fully committed to resolving this great conflict in their favor.
Another "turning point" was the Tullahoma Campaign, also concluded on July 4, 1863.
The Union editorial in particular is written by someone with a little learning (a dangerous thing) about war saying that it'll be simple, fast, and relatively easy to wrap things up. Yes, hindsight tells us that, because it's a lesson in history. Journalists were experts in constructing articles, not military matters, so the Trib published something disconnected from military reality.
And that matters, because journalists are experts in constructing segments and articles. They still are not military experts, and heaven knows they aren't military historians. So we who do should beware what they say about wars and combat, because they keep repeating that mistake laid out here. Even Cronkite and Rather indulged, and we are left to watch everyone else make the same mistake, over and over, and over again.
At 11:55 and 12:58, in the Tribune Editorial, "the Belleeze(sp?)" is mentioned, I assume a feature on the Mississippi river. Can anyone enlighten me as to what this refers to?
Most likely the following: La Balize, a former French fort and island at the mouth of the Mississippi River, was critical for ships traveling to and from New Orleans.
Absolutely fascinating event. Floyd skeedaddled because he was sure that he would be hanged for treason. N.B.Forrest was there to assist the breakout. Foote was terribly wounded when his flagship was hit by artillery fire. Grant earned the nickname Unconditional Surrender Grant here (“I propose to move upon your works..”) Grant generously offered Gen. Buckner his purse, all the cash he had, after the surrender because Buckner had lent money to a destitute Grant so he could leave California.
My word, the Chicago Tribune editorial was detailed in its prophesy! Perhaps they should have learned from Nostradamus to keep it vague enough to be able to claim they were right on all points, no matter the actual course of the war
The"dirty boots@ Appomattox"Grant calling card...Patton w/o the historical drama
Typical that the southern editor's brain couldn't conjure a more abject and degrading servitude than military capitulation
“The most abject and degrading servitude known to history” sound like some traitorous projection
Hindsight being perfect and all, i can't feel sorry about the sad story of Confederate misfortune in Tennessee(not that anyone should take military advice from newspaper editors in the first place). The South cried about Fts Henry and Donellson, but they tried REALLY hard to lose both. Henry was an indefensible flooded mess, and Donellson's defense was left in the hands of the most inept political General in world history(Floyd). Wail and rip your clothes in anguish if necessary, Mr.Editor, just stop being so surprised things didn't go well at either fort when the CSA did very little to ensure their defense.
Floyd was so bad I wonder if he was a agent of the Union Army.