Toxic Abrahamic Religious Doctrine | Dr. Robin Abraham with Esther D | Ex-Christian Show - Part 3
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- In this episode Dr. Robin discusses with Esther on the rather dangerous doctrines of the Abrahamic religions. He says that it is important for Hindus not to become like the Abrahamics even though he understands why it is happening. He asks Hindus to make the effort to retain the inclusive and diverse opinions that constitute Hindu dharma because it is the only sustainable way for the world.
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The Hindus are so full of their own religions /philosophies that they took their own Sanatana Dharma/Hinduism for granted. Foreigners will always pay attention to something new.
Makes no sense. How come they will form their own philosophy? Most Hindu household teaches from Sanatan Dharma.
I do not take Sanatana Dharma for granted. Each day it fills me with joy and satisfaction.
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Dr Robin you are truely a profound thinker. I appreciate your analysis. You made india proud. You are so calm and serene. Go fast forward full throttle.
There has always been the concept of arguments and open debate in sanatan dharma known as 'shaastrarth' since the time immemorial.
An enlightening discussion. Hindus must to read our scriptures learn real philosophy of Hinduism.
The great discussion....keep educating us.
It was not Ramakrishna Param hansha who said that but Swami Vivekananda.
Swami Vivekananda
8 May 2012 ·
"...An empty stomach is no good for religion’ We as a nation have lost our individuality and that is the cause of all mischief in India. We have to raise the masses..."
-Swami Vivekananda
Dear Robin, Thank you for the nice interview.
The idea that "Seperation of powers" is a western concept is a fallacy.
In Sanatana Dharma we have the varna system. (Brahmana, Kshatriya, Vaisya, Shudra) It is a very scientific system to implement "clear separation" between different sets of power structures.
The Brahmanas are custodians of Knowledge (primary duties of Brahmana : 1. Becoming very learned Scholars 2. Becoming very expert Teachers 3. Becoming experts in Worship (Rituals, mantras etc) 4. Teach others how to execute Worship 5. Seeking Alms 6. Charity.... Brahmanas are restrained from power (kingship etc) also discourages to accumulate wealth. Brahmans are encourage to live a voluntary impoverished life.
The Kshatriyas are custodians of security & administration (Primary duties of Kshatriya : 1. Becoming learned Scholars 2.No Cowardice in Battle 3. Generosity 4. Leadership) They are refrained from becoming Teachers and from doing business.
The Vaisyas are Custodians of wealth. (Primary duties : Agriculture, Cow protection, Trade).
The Shudras are custodians of Art, culture, Engineering, sculptor etc and service.
Outstanding discussion. Thank You Esther 🙏🚩🕉🛕🌏🇮🇳... please make regular basis video... beautiful
Esther and Robin, you are my heroes!!
Esther D is a good intellectual kshatriya.
Bravo! Phenomenal discussion!
Namaste,
All are born Hindus in this world.
Very true! The oscillation between anger and extreme secularism is very sad to see among the Hindus!
The texts such as the upanishads are based on the disciples asking questions from their gurus, so the idea and concept of holding healthy discussions has been the part of sanatan society.
Thanks Madam Esther and Dr Robin.You are true Amritasya Putra in true Vedantic Tradition .Worthy children of Bharat Mata.
Proud of you Both !!!
What a fine intellectual person he is! He is viewing all traditions with equal dispassion and keenness. Very inspiring person. I want to read more of his works.
Thank you for your comments
if God is with us who can be against us ?
really good series this is turning out to be... thank you!
One thing Dr, Robin says is that intolerance to other philosophies is being shown some section of Hindu society is partly true. May be he has not looked into that aspect, over all Hindu is tolerant by default. And he says that there is a concept of 'Sarva Dharma smabhav', and that is a false concept. in fact 'Sarva Dharmabhav' is in regards to mode of worship only. Regarding the intellectual debate there is no compulsion to agree with the other party. but the debater has the right to stick to his view even if he is shown to be illogical; provided there is no pre debate rule set. And even if minor skirmishes are ther between opposing parties, state does not take sides with any party except for the protection of the set social values. There is one verse in the Vedic hymns that, 'A no bhadrah yantu vishvtaha; which means let noble thoughts come to us from all side the universe.
Thank you for this series 👏👏👏
Thank you sir very nicely pointed out that we should try not to be like the abrahamic faith. I continue to fight against the abrahamic hindus
Wonderful conversation. Convergence of real intellectual masters. We keep watching and expect more and more...🙏🙏🙏
His suggestion is awesome. Truely thoughtful person.
We request for more conservation with Dr Abraham. Thanks
In sarva dharma ; dharma doesn’t mean religion.
Sanathana dharma us a huge tree with deep roots and many branches.a new tree with one branch may look simple ,elegant but it needs to evolve
It's a one size fits all corporate religion. If it evolves, it will cease to be the religion that it claims to be, namely, an exclusive religion and that's the end of this shit. Good riddance.
Fantastic conversation!!!
I AM HUNGRY. I read the New Testament because I was hungry for spiritual food. Jesus was good, positive, but too limited and superficial, and he cannot satisfy my hunger for spirituality.
Can you plz elaborate on what you mean by "Too limited"?
Very good and sincere conversation with Mr Robin. He is doing good work. On thing that I would like to thank about mentioning’ Sarv Dharm Sambhaav’. I am totally agree to Sh Robin’s view that we should oppose the wrong perceptions. In my opinion we should raise slogan ’ Sarv Dharm Sammaan’ instead of’ Sarv Dharm Sambhaav’.
I would like to join Sh Robin in his noble works for Indian values. Thanks
Thanks sir for your wonderful comparison and comments
So glad to see you here esther
Adi Shankara was born in Kaladi, Kerala. The greatest Acharya that existed. He did exactly what Socrates did..he learned how to stitch a shoe from a cobbler !! He learned from everyone. So did the Great Master Sri Ramanujar. You have explored the world, but do not know about the great Hindus in your own state and the neighboring state, Doctor Abraham !!?? As I am growing older, I realize how great Sanatana Dharma is. There is no parallel.
Mr. Robin explaining how we should engage in good arguments was very helpful. Even I at one point used to get very angry. Now, I'm working on it. The more you know helps you articulate and argue better. And ofcourse trying to enhance the state of mind by various vedic and other techniques to stay calm and collected.
PS. Great conversations Esther! Keep em coming!
Good discussion . Very calm and convincing . 🙏
Spread of Christianity will stop with hunger taken care of in poor countries.
You both are doing a great service 👏 👍
Dr Robin Abraham has cast a different view of sarva dharma Sama bhaava. Excellent discussion. Highly informative.
Dr Robin, How did you find this cool way of argument
@Mrs.K.Steve, listen to this talk,very interesting and true!
Great work done by u madam...i truly appreciate n support u...Hara Hara Mahadev...
Very enlightening discourse.
Or government should make sure that they are providing the food grains to the poor. Then it will way too tough for these guys to convert people.
When hunger is taken care of, man will have some other desire that he wants to fulfill. Solving problems of a person is not the way you can make anyone stick to Hinduism. The only way is to give true education on dharma along with basic necessities.
@@dharma2025 Now that's a really good answer...🙏🙂🚩
Sunil, it's not the hunger or lack of money, it's just greediness. Someone very close to me has been in that situation where they could have easily opted to convert because of this hunger but still remained to the roots.
The analogy of Atheists' saying we don't belive in existence of God to Hindus saying we disagree with the validity of Abrahamic Religious Doctrine is a very good example to use in arguments. If one is secular enough to accept the views of former and doesn't call an Atheist a fascist or communal then why those standards for a follower of Sanatan Dharma (Hinduism).
I concur your views fully. Thank you for bringing forth such thought process at this current time when people to be Hindu is considered to be a harm for the society. Please keep up your efforts. The whole idea of secularism is humbug. Nehru happened to be the first person to commit this crime of inculating value for the idea of secularism which is taken advantage of by those who have vested interests in this population for profiteering. Thank you sir.
Dear Kamakshi garu, Abraham garu - this is such an important discussion in the context of what’s going on with the folks who follow Sanatanis/Indic traditions (me included) who are running like headless chickens due to the physical, psychological onslaught of abrahamic idealogies & then we sometimes show our impatience, frustration on SM instead of doing a proper study of their books. Thanks for such a sane, up to the point Q&A.
Population is one big factor for the continuous cycle of poverty! The poor should be able to provide food,shelter and clothing! There is no point in just producing more mouth! That is where every religion should educat the poor!
An intellectual and eye opening discussion
Happy Diwali to both of you. May the lights Shine in your lives.
Really good mature discussion.
Great discussion.
such a nuanced and intellectual discussion.
Dr Abraham, start an education channel & teach us what we need to know from western philosophy & Indian philosophy. I will sign up. We really need this. Pl consider this seriously.
Standardization is cruelty. Diversity is buity
Hinduism us seeker tradition unlike Abrahamic religion which is the tradition of believers, or enforced beliefs.
good work
Wonderfull discussion.
Please mention the social media handles of the peoples involved in the discussion.
Inspirational
The speaker is unaware of the concept of Janapadas which predates the concept of democracy as propagated by the Europeans. The concept was adapted by them. The indian democracy initially needed to have a British/European mark as was the need of the day. Seconds it also shows that Hindus are accommodating and accept rules that may be required at that particular period to move forward. Now, with the much required amendments being brought through the modi administration the constitution will get it's own sanatan coating. That's the wonder called sanatan. It can incorporate, include and coat everything to make it our own.
Bharat has space and acceptance for all. Can the world reciprocate similarly.
sarva-dharma-samabhAva is only for the state, so that all citizens are equal before the law. But it doesn't make sense as an individual's philosophical view.
Lively and informative discussion... I was slightly taken aback by the pediatric professor for not mentioning Sri Aadi Shankaracharya even once... when this greatest Sanaathani comes from Kerala...and easily intellectually outsmarts anybody...!!
Happy Diwali Estherji🙏🙏
"Even if you are a good human being you will go to hell because you do not believe in Jesus Christ" . This line alone reveals Jesus to be a monster "god". An egoistic monster god, to be precise. My question, how does someone who claims to be so big as to be the creator of the universe have such a big and fragile ego on him?
The story of Adam Eve Satan Abraham and Moses are not acceptable to many as devoid of archeological studies.
The story is true
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So you believe in adam and Eve shit?
Wow
Rishi foundation 👍
He says Christianity has nothing new to give to India but Socrates has. 🤔
Why is that Hindus, especially BJP doesn’t encourage the Hindu organisations go to the poor and handout something or help them.
The Christian see this as opportunity to spread their religion while “seem to be” aware the plight of the poor!
I have been interacting with RM, since 2007, even participated in a WAVES conference as a speaker.
RM was one of those who greatly contributed and continues to build the Ram Setu for the conquest of Lanka.
I have all his books a few from his own hands, one Invading the Sacred, the most pungent, was taken off the market and he helped me get a copy.
I have the latest book too, Babaji uses the word "intellectual warrior" and not "Intellectual Kshatriya", what does IK mean, a Kshatriya who is an intellectual? Or an intellectual who is a Kshatriya.
Kshatriya is a varna so can't fiddle with it, if intellectual is an adjective then it means a person of Kshatriya varna who is given to study, reflection, and speculation or engaged in activity requiring the creative use of the intellect. If it is used as a noun, it means a Kshatriya who is an intellectual.
Messy.
Nobody has on this subject the honesty to declare that the "emperor has no clothes on".
(Meanwhile intellectual dwarfs blocked me on IG)
too good
I feel u are an embodiment of the maha Shakti
Could we have a public debate on christian particularism?
Bodhi Dharma! Actually, Buddhism was never a religion in india and Nepal when Buddha was alive. It has become a religion when it gone out of then India and also by King Ashoka. Nonviolence is Vedic doctrine /philosophy. King Ashoka made India’s fighting Kshtriyata zero. The second line of Mantra goese ... "Ahimsa paramodharma" and "Dharma hinsa tataivacha". No one read the second line of the mantra which says Nonviolence is ultimate but it is also one's duty to sustain dharma, dharma need to be protected from Adharmis. I.e., we need to eliminate people like terrorists who spoil Dharma otherwise dharma will not sustain for people. The disciple Kapil Muni was initiated Buddha in to sanyasi with lot of his other disciples but, Buddha got Nirvikalpa Samadhi early and he start expressing his enlightenment experience slightly differently. Some scholar tell that Buddha did not achieved ultimate Kaivaliya Samadhi (Turiyatheeta state of Cosmic consciousness).He never said straightway that there is no atman. Finally in his death bed he agreed the existence of atman. If everything is empty then who is knowing that it is empty? The knower is atman. That is why Buddhist monks in India and Nepal defeated by Sankara. Some vaishnavite consider Buddha as 9th Avatar of vishnu because of this. I am also a devotee of Buddha. These modern Buddhist now made Buddhism as a Buddhist a separate religion and exported back to India.
Thank you @Shyam Prasad for this beautiful and detailed information.
King Ashoka never existed. He was created to revive long dead Buddhism to replace Hindusim by East India company agents
Can u elaborate on Kaivaliya Samadhi?. In Jainism, we have Kevala Gyan..which is enlightenment and ultimate Gyan
I came to know that Platto travelled a lot to India. Got lot of wisdom from Bharath. One Mr. Alok Kumar have a great lecture. Dr. Abraham please listen and you will get an insight about western knowledge, where it came from. He wrote lot of books too. He explains everything with proof. Please read books written by Mr. Ram Swarup.
Can you post links? It’s plausible. There was one paragraph in Aristotle book Politics where I felt he was describing god in a very similar language to the concept of Satchitananda as described in India. I was struck by the similarity
As many people so many paths. A PhD students doesn't need a 12 standard syllabus nor does a 8th standard student. That's why there is an apparent contradictions. We have a path that's suits ones spiritual progress at any point of time. The moment one out grows it go to the next. One size does not fit all!!
Very nice
Please upload in all regional languages
Sir, I'm compelled to disagree when you state that the Hindu philosophy doesn't answer certain doubts or questions, whereas western philosophy tries to.... it is said that the Vedas are eternal( not man made)and has all the answers from creation and its purpose and our purpose too. etc.
But they are vast and beyond ordinary human intellect. One has to evolve to grasp the cryptic knowledge therein. Therefore we have the Upanishad, Mahabharatha, Ramayana , Bhagvata and other Puranas.besides Bhagavad gita (a part of MBH), which contain the same message of the vedas. So humans can understand. but then even this is according to ones capacity, we need to evolve spiritually to experience the answers. Basically we get our answers according to our 'yogyate'...each human has distinct 'yogyate'. We have to evolve....this birth or the next...and it's all about one's experience of Parmatma, his forms and our spiritual evolution. Which can take ages or in this birth itself...next moment too....
Otherwise your talk is intresting..
This is sensible
Religion is a never ending topic, debate. Is there any difference between religion and dharma. Is God involved in dharma, if it is then what evidence is there, without evidence it means myth. All religions believe that God exists, do you believe that God exists, that he is supernatural and powerful, if yes what evidence is there that you can prove the existence of God. Forget what others say or have written, you yourself with your heart and mind prove it. Prove everything according to your own conscious, heart and mind, that is what we can call the truth not depending on what others say or write various books.
Dr Abraham gave a very insightful interview both about abrahamic religions and currently a hindu cult of angry hindus.
Good content
To keep "going", they would also ascertain that " hunger does not end"...(on the first 5 mts of the video)
You all must listen Niraj Atri,
Ankur Arya, Mahendra Pal Arya.
If i am right,Paramahamsa would have referred to intense fasting which is not recommended by shastras also ,as with an empty stomach one cannot focus on spirituality.
to say Indians should argue [socratism] is like putting a torch to the sun...... please read yaksha prasna, Vashishta Gita, BG, Kapila preachings to his mother, the debates conducted by Sage Shankara, Sage Ramanuja and etc., The whole civilization is based on samvad only. read elsewhere that Alexander was influenced by his teacher Aristotle who taught about Plato and his Indic learnings and this curiosity about India only made Alexander on his conquest east.
I agree to his most but when he says in Bharatvarsh everyone thinks they know it and want to teach is absolutely not true. People are always learning and are open to learn that makes them to keep the spirit of learning going. Empirical science was part of Sanatan Dharma,he needs more studies there. I still disagree that he needs to combine Western philosophy. Bharatiya philosophy is extremely deep, western is actually taken from it. There are many proofs that western have stolen stories in their doctrines, similarly if Plato and Socrates will be dissected wide and open, I have a belief that their ideas are taken from Sanatan or u can find similar ones in Sanatan. So why he needs to glorify that stolen work?
I agree that Indians had a dialectics tradition. It’s not unique to west. But Plato takes a sociological view which is unique. I am yet to see an Indian text which takes such a view. This maybe due to my limited reading. I am open to change my view if you can provide references.
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this reminds me.....(time 16.44) in a talk with Sri. Rajiv MalhotraJi Sri. G KrishnamurthyJi mentioned that Indian constitution is based on Bible......
Very good conversation. Esther, please fix sound issue on your side. It is not so clear.
It is not clear from discussion which doctrine is toxic and what that really means.
At 16:35 to 17:10 He is quoting that separation of legislature and judiciary is Western philosophy
,division Then what is Varna system (division of knowledge power and wealth)
The Indian philosophy is literally advanced and vast as it developed freely for many years and it had continuity
Can you agree all people equal in birth. Can you soundly declare no casteism in Hinduism.
If there is an opportunity, some one will there to exploit it.
Simple and straight.
All those fretting about conversion better set their house in order. The privilaged class must give up their self donned crown of superiority. Yes these people are the biggest enemies of a living Dharmic world
Indians also has questioning techniques. Read Nyaya darshan please.
In fact, it was in West Asia and Europe that questioners and agnostics were regularly put to death as apostates, blasphemers and heretics. Infinite number of examples like Socrates. Upto the Sixteenth Century, India led in both the material and the physical sciences.
In the way of propaganda through bribing, the irreparable loss is extinction of local customs which is aligned with nature.
Shridhi Sai baba also said in Sai Satcharitra that do not keep your self stomach empty while fasting
@BHAGAVAN HAYAGRIVA he was not muslim read first chapter of Sai Satcharitra he was from Bhardwaj rishi gotra .. so now corrupted media spread non sense by calling him a muslim chand Mia .. and Even if he is a muslim .. He was a wise man who said musalmano ka Raheem and hinduo ka Ram ek he hai ..
If Dr.Robin Abraham wants to "...give clear arguments...to weaken / dislodge Abrahamic religions...", he can only do so with intellectuals / the intelligentsia. But a majority of the world's human population does not think logically ! :-) "Accept Jesus in your heart, to go to heaven" or "Allah is the only God ! ...and Mohammed is his last prophet !" are very good "arguments" for most people.
Every Guru identifies with the ignorance and thus the seeking starts! This is why the nation has questioning minds and seekers! Indian constitution was written by Western trained Indians. The Western thoughts influenced the constitution while they were ignoring the native thoughts totally!
Robin sir can Socratus be equated with Nachiketa in India ?
I am not sure. In Katha upanishad an answer is given. Socrates gives you questions
this (17.25)......is some what unheard of.... but that may be the reason why 2012 movie was conceptualized....... which needs to be countered..... a good ruler can bring back Sat-Yuga according to dharma
Robin sir how we can part of rishi foundation?
Great stuff . Nuances beyond emotional drama is what is lacking in the general abrahamic religious debates . Esther you are amazing
Dr. Robin has taken example of our constitution to enquire what Indian thought exists in it. It’s absurd to take such example.
Good more ex christians should do this,not for incresing Hindus but for freedom.