I've never realized how horrible the Knicks as a franchise were until Bill contextualized it all. At least Sacramento, Orlando and to a lesser extent Minnesota have tried and succeeded over the past few decades in terms of making a winning team, and they're in small markets. The Knicks have completely nerfed the advantage of being the largest market in America and that's megatons of incompetence to do consistently over decades of time.
chinmikhail I think it’s because money pours into the Knicks regardless if they are a bad team. What is their incentive to improve? They are in the biggest market, have their own TV network, always sell out of season tickets every year and have a passionate fan base. They have taken it for granted, it’s a shame because Knicks fans deserve better.
@@teamdream3951 As a sports fan, that's heartbreaking. Not every native New York fan is rich and they spend a lot of income supporting their local team just for them to keep sending out a shitty product. It's like lacing Coca Cola with cyanide; they know you're still going to drink it anyways so why bother taking out the poison
Sacramento and Orlando and Minnesota have not really done any better than the Knicks over the past 3 decades, they're all about the same with Sacramento being the best slightly when they had Chris Webber and Peja but that was a lot of luck. Market size doesn't help you win so I don't know what you're talking about in that regard...........
knicks couldve gotten way more. at least demand mavs lottery pick this year if its a lottery pick hawks dont get it other teams wouldve given wayyyyyy more
Since no one is talking about the Mavs, enjoy that while it lasts. Doncic is the real deal. Porzingis doesn’t even have to be that great in order to help the Mavs. All he has to do is be here to help the Mavs attract a 3rd star. Not to mention, Doncic will make the game easier for KP, which is something he never had in New York. If the Unicorn does stay healthy (and Christ it’s an ACL that’s nothing these days) then the Mavs are officially a problem for the next 10 years. This was a home run trade for the Mavs!! Fwiw, I don’t hate it for the Knicks either.
It physically hurts to be a Knicks fan. After years and years of losing we finally have a bona fide star in Porz and we ended up losing him for basically nothing!!!! Cap space??? for what? do u think REALLY KD and Kyrie would sign for us??? WHEN THE OWNER IS DOLAN?! Legacy of ineptitude. LOLCOW of the NBA. Even the god damn Kings are looking decent now.
@@ananthshreya It he stays healthy, he will be great. I doubt he will ever be a MVP candidate because if they are great Luka will probably be above Porzingas in the voting.
Really, really dumb comment. 2 1st round picks, off loading 2 awful contracts, and Dennis Smith Jr. is air? You can think they didn't get enough back, but that's not a bad package. My initial reaction was disaster for the Knicks, but the more I've thought about it I think it was a smart trade for both teams.
I think Rob Babcock was worse than Isiah. In 1.5 years in Toronto, he lost Vince Carter for nothing, drafted Rafael araujo, Joey Graham, Roko ukic I mean, so bad it almost seems like sabotage
I went from being a die-hard passionate Knick's fan to just a Knick's fan. This franchise has ripped my heart 10 times over! I can honestly say I don't love the Knicks anymore. Everyone saying the KP trade was a smart move by Knicks is dead wrong! Watch KP who is only 23 reach his full potential now that he is with a quality organization and become a top 10 player and an MVP candidate. KP & DONCIC will win at least one championship with Dallas.
its so hard to judge this trade this early, the future will tell. Maybe porzingis is the next drose (injuryprone)? Maybe knicks end up with zion, kd and kyrie? Maybe those 1st round picks turn into 2 stars?
It’s amazing how bad this trade was. The knicks management is so incompetent that there’s no way they will get a star this summer. Playing for NY isn’t what it use to he
from what I seen in latest Kristaps training video he is healthy and working out practising his shot its more knicks didnt really contact him about his return so the coach basically belived rumour of he being stil in bad shape and this was in december or november ....
*This has been a crazy day. He wanted out, bye bye. On the flip side what does it say about the culture of a franchise who's 23 year old home grown player wanted out. Rebuild is out the window, it's 2019 or bust*. This time we actually have a nice young core to build with. You get rid of the Hardaway and Lee contracts and get your cap flexibility and $75 million. So the trade can end up being really good, but we won't know for a while. Unbelievable. I had a lot of callers on both sides of the trade. Great show!*
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dude they literally dumped him for cap space? he was the only reason superstars wanted to play for new york, KD and KP , Kyrie or KP, Kawhi KP . amazing duos, NO superstar has time to wait 3 years for some potentially good players to become good. Woj said this trade was being planned ahead of his trade request.
@@ggs4869 they also got 2 1st round picks and DSJ while not very good now still has some value. My initial reaction was this trade was a total disaster for the Knicks, but upon further though I think I like it for both sides(as long as the Knicks really do end up landing 1 or 2 max guys).
@@drewfleming5584 nets , clippers also fight for free agents. and kd might stay , kyrie probably stays, kawhi will end up with the clippers , and the rest is not worth it. butler wont put up with children. and the 2 picks are not lottery picks, and they are set for 2021 and 2022 in which u dont know what will happen .
@@ggs4869 but you said they literally traded him for cap space which isn't true. And the 1st pick is unprotected and the Mavs next pick. It's not guaranteed they're good next year.
Correction... Donnie Walsh wanted to wait until the summer to sign Carmelo. James Dolan got nervous about someone else signing him, so he overruled Walsh. It's also why he left, shortly after. James Dolan gave the Nuggets whatever they asked for. In a press conference, the Nuggets GM said, we saw Timofey Mosgoz play good for a few games and asked, hey how about adding that guy. It was nuts.
As a Mavs fan, I'm scared by the trade. Getting rid of Matthews and Jordan makes sense, as they were both expiring and both seemed to be intentionally trying to make the Mavs lose (when everyone else was trying to win). I wanted to see Dallas actually go into a playoff series with an athletic point guard FOR ONCE though, given the Mavs history of getting torched by PGs, so giving up on DSJ hurts. Trading 2 unprotected 1st round picks also sucks, given that Porzingis is a huge gamble, but if it works out those picks won't be as good anyway. Hopefully Porzingis stays healthy and the Knicks get at least one great free agent to make it worth it.
don't worry for a second, Dennis Smith is destined to be a bust, he's just an athletic score first guy who doesn't pass, isn't a leader and is not that efficient. I watched him at NC state a lot, his team didn't even make the tournament and they had like 5 mcdonald's all americans. He was a star point guard as a freshmen putting up huge numbers, and wasn't even a top 5 pick in a league that covits guards. He's a classic get his own numbers in blow outs type of guy. Porzingis is top 15 when healthy and hes only 23, you guys made out like bandits and Tim Hardaway is arguably the 2nd best player in the deal.
@@MrBarborosa More like I remember this little trade that fucking everyone except me loved at the time with a guy named Rondo. Different circumstances now, which is why I'm not "as" worried as that. The Mavs have been just as bad as the Knicks at signing premiere free agents since 2011, so if Porzingis isn't healthy, Hardaway, Lee and Burke won't be saving them and they won't be getting help from elsewhere. The Mavs can't afford a max player next year anyway because of Hardaway/Lee's contracts, which aren't expiring. Could all work out though, I'm open to being swayed towards optimism.
@@Bobbynufkn A hard cap means the team can not go above the cap for any reason. I'm not sure if it would help as much as people think for the small market teams. The intent of the soft cap in the NBA was to encourage star players to stay with the teams that drafted them. The problem is outside money from shoe deals and the players having all the power has caused that to be a non-factor anymore. A hard cap will help parity and the creation of super teams. What fans need to realize is that the NBA has had super teams for ever. The difference it used to be management making the right draft picks, trades, and free agent signings. Now the players create the super teams. I'm personally conflicted, because I hate what the league has turned in to, but I hate telling grown men that you can't live where you want and you can't go to the best companies like every other person in America has the freedom to do.
If you make a player like KP available you can get; Wall / Beal - one of them Ingram / Ball / Kuzma - at least one of them Tobias Harris + Harrell or a package like that You can ask for Tatum or Brown + other Celtics. They'll make one of Tatum and Brown available for you for KP You can get Marc Gasol / Mike Conley You can knock Detroit's door they'll make Drummond available for you... All of these scenarios are better than getting DSJ
"This feels a lot like Tobias Harris and Boogie Cousins in NY... if it turns out to be something like that, that is DARK." WHY?? Who wouldn't want Tobias and Boogie over Porzingis? He's 23-years-old and has already spent a over year of his contract injured with a torn ACL. The Knicks weren't going to win when their two best players are a post-injury Porzingis and an inefficient Tim Hardaway Jr... I'm not saying the Knicks won or lost the trade-- but the sheer prospect that they can get two max-contract players AND a top 3 draft pick at least creates some optimism towards the future. Porzingis and Hardaway weren't going to get it done.
caleb hunter good point! I totally agree with you. And why wasn’t this brought up in the podcast? They all seem to agree with Simmons and no one offers any different view points
Any sane person wouldn’t want that. Boogie is playing good and he arguably had a worse injury than KP. If all your trying to do is offload cap why not wait till the summer? Again you have KP on a qualifying offer maybe he changes his mind. This trade just seems to lack any foresight whatsoever.
Somtimes my mom would say when people keep on lashing out on a team sometimes your words come back to bite you in the ass. I hope one day that team people keep lashing out on do well one day people have a beautiful day.
Wasn't Hardaway signed after Jackson was gone? I like that Phil isn't credited for wanting to trade Porzingis when his value was high. Now they got gamestop level trade in value for him
I get that the pelicans have a lot of egg on their faces, but jesus christ do not compare them to the knicks. If Demarcus Cousins doesn’t get injured, this all could have worked out. They at least had reasons for their trades. Knicks have all the advantages in the world and STILL can’t get anything done.
I have always believed that once David Stern retired it was only a matter of time. Mr. Stern was a strong leader that was not afraid to make not only the tough decisions but the unpopular decisions. In my opinion the association (this in particular) does not work well with weak leaders like Mr. Silver. It's out of control and It's sad for guys like me that enjoy, strong management, parity and true competition. Superior Alpha players like LBJ have taken advantage of the weak leadership displayed by Mr. Silver. The league is in trouble until a new commissioner is in office. Just an opinion.
If (and it’s a big if) the Knicks land KD, Kyrie (as a Celtic fan I hope not!), get lucky in the lottery and get Pick 1 or 2, this trade has been worthwhile to clear salary. Smith Jnr can play. If they can fill the rest of the roster out with good role players and veterans then they have a team.
Knicks management is unbelievably stupid. They traded their best player for essentially nothing all because they had the arrogance to believe good players would want to play in New York when the entire franchise has been damaged by their owner. They even got rid of their best player so they could tank and potentially get the 1st Pick (Zion) and that didn't happen either. The league needs to do something about Dolan.
knicks couldve gotten way more. at least demand mavs lottery pick this year if its a lottery pick hawks dont get it other teams wouldve given wayyyyyy more
I abandoned the Knicks for good when they refused to re-sign Jeremy Lin for a middling deal after years and years of wasting money and pissing off their fans. It was the most incompetent, bizarre, tone deaf and malicious move I've ever seen a franchise make, until this Porzingis trade.
BEST case scenario for the Knicks is the 2 max slots become KD & Butler. Kawhi, Klay, & Kyrie aren't leaving better situations for the Knicks. I find it hard to believe the Knicks did this WITHOUT a secret handshake from at least KD -- but then again, these guys signed Noah, Hardaway & Lee 2 the same amount they just opened up, so....
no way Butler goes, he wants to win now and not have to deal with a bunch of young guys which the knicks are going to have. Maybe if they win the lottery and get Zion, but I could see them drafting Ja Morant
knicks couldve gotten way more. at least demand mavs lottery pick this year if its a lottery pick hawks dont get it other teams wouldve given wayyyyyy more
Kyrie hates Boston. He just released a movie about Rucker Park. It's going to be KD, Zion or Reddish and Kyrie, with DSJ, Knox and if Kristaps is not healthy then those Dallas picks can be lottery in the future. Kleinman wants to run the Knicks as the GM.
People sometimes is not the big stars may do well .sometimes is the unknown make a name for themselves.if lin did not get pull from the end of the bench we would of never knew who was him
Coming back to this on 1.07.2021 and all I have to say is yikes. Kristaps is far from what Mavs fans expected. Donnie is gone. Rick is gone. Haralabos Voulgaris aka the shadow GM is running a lot of stuff and it seems like lots of people inside the organisastion are against it.
"Even if it's KD and Tobias Harris, I think people are going to be like "what the fuck is this?""... They can't be serious. What New Yorker wouldn't want KD and Tobias over a post-torn ACL Porzingis and Tim Hardaway Jr. and his terrible contract?? If getting rid of those two guys means you have a chance at KD and literally anyone else-- it was absolutely worth it. It's a huge risk, but players still want to be the King of New York. Any player(s) who takes the Knicks deep into the playoffs will immediately become GODS in the Big Apple-- and that alone is an incentive for guys to come. MSG is still MSG.
It's stupid people who don't read between the lines who are surprised with KP parting ways with the Knicks. It's all written in the walls ever since KP acted like a Melo puppet and did not show up for that exit interview with Phil. I knew right then that there was a big crack in the relationship. And with his lower extremities showing similar cracks, then I was sure that the desire for separation became mutual. I am happy for both camps. Mavs look like the early winners, but when is KP gonna sit with an ailment again? Right now, the Knicks look like losers, but they are sitting on a chest of money to lure franchise players. Judgement is reserved until after they have reconstructed their line up for next year. Until then, the Knicks' grade is incomplete.
So getting rid of bad contracts did cost you a more tan plausible perennial all-star...Man i ve seen this since they thought Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury where to became the best 1-2 punch in the NBA..lol...Adam Silver should arrange the Knicker Bockers from Dolan´s Family...
Last year, Porzingis averaged 22.7 points and 6.6 rebounds a game. This year, Tobias Harris is averaging 21 points and 8 rebounds... Yet, they act like getting Tobias and KEVIN DURANT would be a disappointment. Not saying Porzingis is overrated, but since he has left the league there have been a ton of guys who have stepped up into his statistical caliber (John Collins, Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons, Julius Randle, Giannis, Zach lavine, Nikola Mirotic, Lauri Markkanen, etc) and his value is being slightly inflated-- especially coming off an ACL as a 7-footer.
Stats dont tell the full story: KP plays awesome defense/scores more efficiently than almost all the guys you named. Mirotic is a side guy. Markkanen is a poor mans KP.
Gotta settle for just becoming a playoff team first. After that, Knicks might be able to change view on organization. Some Knick fans thinking championship now... I don't think that is realistic, even with KD and Kyrie. Everyone around them is too young and raw. But who knows...
as inept as the knicks are, this trade imo 100% means 2 things or maybe both: KP only has around 6 nba years in him and the knicks know it or, Kd or Kyrie are def coming.. maybe both are true. you simply dont do this deal unless 1 of those things are true- KP is broken or big free agents are coming. But the knicks are legendarily inept.. so maybe that's all it is.
NO had the longest time to surround ad with talent and they got boogie and then got rid of him look at how dallas handled luka they immediately got porzingiz and did stuff
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Mavs get 2 cornerstone players younger than 25 and still have enough cap space to sign a big FA this off season while having a decent young core of Powell, Brunson, Kleber and Dorian Finney Smith. Knicks clears their cap but let's be honest...history is not on Knicks side with doing any good business with their cap. they might fuck around and panic and give Dragic and Middleton the max when they fail to bring in Kyrie and Durant. the only good thing is that they're tanking so they might get Zion. yall can say the knicks made a good move but let's be honest....it's the knicks. also Kyrie is a ball dominant guard and so is DSJ. if Kyrie do gets signed then what do they do with DSJ??
Pure Knicks move, trying to fix inmediately previous overpaid contracts to win or bust mode...so they became a perennial all star if not superstar into dennis Smith, a couple of late first rounders and cap flexibility??? jesuschrist....
good podcast untill i heart ad WAY BETTER than kd and i was like whaaaaat im out this is ridiculous and no one said anything about it you might argue he is currently a bit better(which he isnt) kd had acomplished 10x more than ad before he went to gsw . people say its easy for him cuz he play with other allstars now but his stats would be waaaay better if he wasnt he can easily avg 30/10/6 if he has to carry on his own
Why are you advertising Broadway plays on sports pod? This is a narrative of sports today...... Fans paying ppl/media to live there best lives all on fan $$$$. Change it up or hover around 10,000
Just watch, the two max contracts are going to Dragic and Middleton 🤦🏿♂️
no, kemba and Boogie
This is very possibly the outcome lol.....
Tobias Harris and Middleton
Kenna and Butler smfh
What makes you think those guys even want to play for that dumpster fire team
I've never realized how horrible the Knicks as a franchise were until Bill contextualized it all. At least Sacramento, Orlando and to a lesser extent Minnesota have tried and succeeded over the past few decades in terms of making a winning team, and they're in small markets. The Knicks have completely nerfed the advantage of being the largest market in America and that's megatons of incompetence to do consistently over decades of time.
chinmikhail I think it’s because money pours into the Knicks regardless if they are a bad team. What is their incentive to improve? They are in the biggest market, have their own TV network, always sell out of season tickets every year and have a passionate fan base. They have taken it for granted, it’s a shame because Knicks fans deserve better.
@@teamdream3951 As a sports fan, that's heartbreaking. Not every native New York fan is rich and they spend a lot of income supporting their local team just for them to keep sending out a shitty product. It's like lacing Coca Cola with cyanide; they know you're still going to drink it anyways so why bother taking out the poison
Sacramento and Orlando and Minnesota have not really done any better than the Knicks over the past 3 decades, they're all about the same with Sacramento being the best slightly when they had Chris Webber and Peja but that was a lot of luck. Market size doesn't help you win so I don't know what you're talking about in that regard...........
Rule of thumb......don't take anything Bill says in regards to basketball seriously. He's pretty blatantly clueless on all things NBA these days.
knicks couldve gotten way more. at least demand mavs lottery pick this year if its a lottery pick hawks dont get it other teams wouldve given wayyyyyy more
Since no one is talking about the Mavs, enjoy that while it lasts. Doncic is the real deal. Porzingis doesn’t even have to be that great in order to help the Mavs. All he has to do is be here to help the Mavs attract a 3rd star. Not to mention, Doncic will make the game easier for KP, which is something he never had in New York. If the Unicorn does stay healthy (and Christ it’s an ACL that’s nothing these days) then the Mavs are officially a problem for the next 10 years.
This was a home run trade for the Mavs!!
Fwiw, I don’t hate it for the Knicks either.
We'll be talking about them a lot in a few years
I think these dudes are over-rating DSJ. He is not good enough to get you accidental wins...
It physically hurts to be a Knicks fan. After years and years of losing we finally have a bona fide star in Porz and we ended up losing him for basically nothing!!!!
Cap space??? for what? do u think REALLY KD and Kyrie would sign for us??? WHEN THE OWNER IS DOLAN?!
Legacy of ineptitude. LOLCOW of the NBA. Even the god damn Kings are looking decent now.
Trinton1 & the Kings had great yrs during the 20yrs the Knicks sucked
When he said the knicks were getting kd and kyrie at 3:20 I almost died knowing Brooklyn got them that summer
Amazing podcast:). But the one who said AD is better then KD is delusional. AD has potential but he still has a lot to prove...
bruh and I think he said way better. Glad you pointed that out, what a ridiculous thing to say.
Mavs fan are happy 😃
We just got a future MVP for fuck all 😂😂😂🤣
@@ananthshreya It he stays healthy, he will be great. I doubt he will ever be a MVP candidate because if they are great Luka will probably be above Porzingas in the voting.
Who's back here 8 months later excited to see the Knicks big offseason signing was Marcus Morris?
Who's back 2 years later now that it's clear how badly the Mavs were fleeced in this trade?
I wanna know what the Bodega Boys are thinking
That's all I care about die4thehive
facts but nobody watches showtime
This was the most I've laughed all week, great takes and reactions. Thank you!
The Knicks organization is so bad that the guy only needed one season to realize he should not be there long term. Lol that's a record
and if they thought they were getting big name free agents, wouldn't Porzingis know and not want to leave
It took AD 7 years to figure that out about the Pelicans
Knicks traded Porzingis for air 🤦🏿♂️
They still might get Zion???🤔🏀
youngnebula187 what does Zion have to do with the trade
@@MannyManhattanMusic Other than getting a big free agent next season "Everything "🤔🏀
youngnebula187 they have the worst record in the league. They will likely have a top 3 pick with or without the trade
Really, really dumb comment. 2 1st round picks, off loading 2 awful contracts, and Dennis Smith Jr. is air? You can think they didn't get enough back, but that's not a bad package. My initial reaction was disaster for the Knicks, but the more I've thought about it I think it was a smart trade for both teams.
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Melo was a top 3/4 player in 2012-13 season. Porzingis has never been that good. Melo is the best player Knicks have had in 20 years
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It's crazy how they try to sound smart but just sound dumb af
@@MannyManhattanMusic I agreed with u
Aaron Mich lol my bad. I can’t read
Melo top 4? Come on now
I think Rob Babcock was worse than Isiah.
In 1.5 years in Toronto, he lost Vince Carter for nothing, drafted Rafael araujo, Joey Graham, Roko ukic
I mean, so bad it almost seems like sabotage
Thank goodness for this emergency pod
I went from being a die-hard passionate Knick's fan to just a Knick's fan. This franchise has ripped my heart 10 times over! I can honestly say I don't love the Knicks anymore. Everyone saying the KP trade was a smart move by Knicks is dead wrong!
Watch KP who is only 23 reach his full potential now that he is with a quality organization and become a top 10 player and an MVP candidate. KP & DONCIC will win at least one championship with Dallas.
The Knicks will be horrible until the franchise is sold.
This was a fantastic/Funny Pod. Thanks Ringer.
who is the squeaky voice got at 47:20 range
its so hard to judge this trade this early, the future will tell. Maybe porzingis is the next drose (injuryprone)? Maybe knicks end up with zion, kd and kyrie? Maybe those 1st round picks turn into 2 stars?
........yeah nah none of that is happening..... Dallas is good so they won't be in the lottery
Wuuuhuuuuu...The Goat & Unicorn playing together...thats gonna be majestic!!!
It’s amazing how bad this trade was. The knicks management is so incompetent that there’s no way they will get a star this summer. Playing for NY isn’t what it use to he
Hey there.... Anyone using SoundCloud getting the podcasts? Slow through my end...
When Jason Concepcion comes in on absolute fire!!! Fucking great
How is this deal available when 2 contracts are expering
from what I seen in latest Kristaps training video he is healthy and working out practising his shot its more knicks didnt really contact him about his return so the coach basically belived rumour of he being stil in bad shape and this was in december or november ....
*This has been a crazy day. He wanted out, bye bye. On the flip side what does it say about the culture of a franchise who's 23 year old home grown player wanted out. Rebuild is out the window, it's 2019 or bust*. This time we actually have a nice young core to build with. You get rid of the Hardaway and Lee contracts and get your cap flexibility and $75 million. So the trade can end up being really good, but we won't know for a while. Unbelievable. I had a lot of callers on both sides of the trade. Great show!*
KnicksFanTV Kristap left because Knicks plans are to TANK, any player OK with that is not a good player or cares.. So, you want a player fine with not giving his best?? 20yrs in the largest market and richest city in USA & they not only can't attract notable players, but can't use the one's they get(1 playoff win in 20YRs). MANAGEMENT IS HIRED BY THE OWNER- 20YRS! BLAME THE OWNER.. SHEEP 🐏 FANS. FIRE JAMES DOLAN
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dude they literally dumped him for cap space? he was the only reason superstars wanted to play for new york, KD and KP , Kyrie or KP, Kawhi KP . amazing duos, NO superstar has time to wait 3 years for some potentially good players to become good. Woj said this trade was being planned ahead of his trade request.
@@ggs4869 they also got 2 1st round picks and DSJ while not very good now still has some value. My initial reaction was this trade was a total disaster for the Knicks, but upon further though I think I like it for both sides(as long as the Knicks really do end up landing 1 or 2 max guys).
@@drewfleming5584 nets , clippers also fight for free agents. and kd might stay , kyrie probably stays, kawhi will end up with the clippers , and the rest is not worth it. butler wont put up with children. and the 2 picks are not lottery picks, and they are set for 2021 and 2022 in which u dont know what will happen .
@@ggs4869 but you said they literally traded him for cap space which isn't true. And the 1st pick is unprotected and the Mavs next pick. It's not guaranteed they're good next year.
Correction... Donnie Walsh wanted to wait until the summer to sign Carmelo. James Dolan got nervous about someone else signing him, so he overruled Walsh. It's also why he left, shortly after. James Dolan gave the Nuggets whatever they asked for. In a press conference, the Nuggets GM said, we saw Timofey Mosgoz play good for a few games and asked, hey how about adding that guy. It was nuts.
As a Mavs fan, I'm scared by the trade. Getting rid of Matthews and Jordan makes sense, as they were both expiring and both seemed to be intentionally trying to make the Mavs lose (when everyone else was trying to win). I wanted to see Dallas actually go into a playoff series with an athletic point guard FOR ONCE though, given the Mavs history of getting torched by PGs, so giving up on DSJ hurts. Trading 2 unprotected 1st round picks also sucks, given that Porzingis is a huge gamble, but if it works out those picks won't be as good anyway. Hopefully Porzingis stays healthy and the Knicks get at least one great free agent to make it worth it.
don't worry for a second, Dennis Smith is destined to be a bust, he's just an athletic score first guy who doesn't pass, isn't a leader and is not that efficient. I watched him at NC state a lot, his team didn't even make the tournament and they had like 5 mcdonald's all americans. He was a star point guard as a freshmen putting up huge numbers, and wasn't even a top 5 pick in a league that covits guards. He's a classic get his own numbers in blow outs type of guy. Porzingis is top 15 when healthy and hes only 23, you guys made out like bandits and Tim Hardaway is arguably the 2nd best player in the deal.
You are a massive rookie if youre worried by this as a mavs fan.
@@MrBarborosa and even if Porzingis is . hurt, then don't sign him and you have tons of cap room
also those first round picks will be late first with donkic and zinggod
@@MrBarborosa More like I remember this little trade that fucking everyone except me loved at the time with a guy named Rondo. Different circumstances now, which is why I'm not "as" worried as that. The Mavs have been just as bad as the Knicks at signing premiere free agents since 2011, so if Porzingis isn't healthy, Hardaway, Lee and Burke won't be saving them and they won't be getting help from elsewhere. The Mavs can't afford a max player next year anyway because of Hardaway/Lee's contracts, which aren't expiring. Could all work out though, I'm open to being swayed towards optimism.
Nothing to do with the trade but do you think the nba would be better if they had a hard cap like the nfl?
they do have a hard cap. ever heard of the luxury tax?
@@Bobbynufkn A hard cap means the team can not go above the cap for any reason. I'm not sure if it would help as much as people think for the small market teams. The intent of the soft cap in the NBA was to encourage star players to stay with the teams that drafted them. The problem is outside money from shoe deals and the players having all the power has caused that to be a non-factor anymore. A hard cap will help parity and the creation of super teams. What fans need to realize is that the NBA has had super teams for ever. The difference it used to be management making the right draft picks, trades, and free agent signings. Now the players create the super teams. I'm personally conflicted, because I hate what the league has turned in to, but I hate telling grown men that you can't live where you want and you can't go to the best companies like every other person in America has the freedom to do.
Special Knicks freak out edition 😂
If you make a player like KP available you can get;
Wall / Beal - one of them
Ingram / Ball / Kuzma - at least one of them
Tobias Harris + Harrell or a package like that
You can ask for Tatum or Brown + other Celtics. They'll make one of Tatum and Brown available for you for KP
You can get Marc Gasol / Mike Conley
You can knock Detroit's door they'll make Drummond available for you...
All of these scenarios are better than getting DSJ
"This feels a lot like Tobias Harris and Boogie Cousins in NY... if it turns out to be something like that, that is DARK."
WHY?? Who wouldn't want Tobias and Boogie over Porzingis? He's 23-years-old and has already spent a over year of his contract injured with a torn ACL. The Knicks weren't going to win when their two best players are a post-injury Porzingis and an inefficient Tim Hardaway Jr... I'm not saying the Knicks won or lost the trade-- but the sheer prospect that they can get two max-contract players AND a top 3 draft pick at least creates some optimism towards the future. Porzingis and Hardaway weren't going to get it done.
caleb hunter good point! I totally agree with you. And why wasn’t this brought up in the podcast? They all seem to agree with Simmons and no one offers any different view points
Any sane person wouldn’t want that. Boogie is playing good and he arguably had a worse injury than KP. If all your trying to do is offload cap why not wait till the summer? Again you have KP on a qualifying offer maybe he changes his mind. This trade just seems to lack any foresight whatsoever.
Somtimes my mom would say when people keep on lashing out on a team sometimes your words come back to bite you in the ass. I hope one day that team people keep lashing out on do well one day people have a beautiful day.
This is such a risky potentialy lose - lose deal for both sides.
So many things could go wrong for both sides.
@24:00 i been saying the same thing, kyrie and lebron planned to leave cavs and meet up in LA lol
Knicks fan since the Bernard King era in the mid-80's...I'M DONE!😫
this pod didn’t age well with durant and irving going to the nets
Can’t wait to see the kemba/Tobias Harris max contract combo absolutely stink it up in NY next year 😂
LOL!
It's somehow even worse than their worst possible future.
Wasn't Hardaway signed after Jackson was gone?
I like that Phil isn't credited for wanting to trade Porzingis when his value was high. Now they got gamestop level trade in value for him
didn't the clippers do that like a year ago or so?
I've been waiting for this!!
Tobias Harris and Boogie Cousins with DS jr. Knox, And one of the top guys in the draft. I would be happy with that if I was a Knick fan.
I get that the pelicans have a lot of egg on their faces, but jesus christ do not compare them to the knicks. If Demarcus Cousins doesn’t get injured, this all could have worked out. They at least had reasons for their trades. Knicks have all the advantages in the world and STILL can’t get anything done.
Jason literally said everything a smart Knicks fan word for word.
"Because if we're maxing Tobias and Boogie this summer..."
I have always believed that once David Stern retired it was only a matter of time. Mr. Stern was a strong leader that was not afraid to make not only the tough decisions but the unpopular decisions. In my opinion the association (this in particular) does not work well with weak leaders like Mr. Silver. It's out of control and It's sad for guys like me that enjoy, strong management, parity and true competition. Superior Alpha players like LBJ have taken advantage of the weak leadership displayed by Mr. Silver. The league is in trouble until a new commissioner is in office. Just an opinion.
If (and it’s a big if) the Knicks land KD, Kyrie (as a Celtic fan I hope not!), get lucky in the lottery and get Pick 1 or 2, this trade has been worthwhile to clear salary. Smith Jnr can play. If they can fill the rest of the roster out with good role players and veterans then they have a team.
Knicks management is unbelievably stupid. They traded their best player for essentially nothing all because they had the arrogance to believe good players would want to play in New York when the entire franchise has been damaged by their owner. They even got rid of their best player so they could tank and potentially get the 1st Pick (Zion) and that didn't happen either. The league needs to do something about Dolan.
knicks couldve gotten way more. at least demand mavs lottery pick this year if its a lottery pick hawks dont get it other teams wouldve given wayyyyyy more
What about Kawhi.
I abandoned the Knicks for good when they refused to re-sign Jeremy Lin for a middling deal after years and years of wasting money and pissing off their fans. It was the most incompetent, bizarre, tone deaf and malicious move I've ever seen a franchise make, until this Porzingis trade.
BEST case scenario for the Knicks is the 2 max slots become KD & Butler. Kawhi, Klay, & Kyrie aren't leaving better situations for the Knicks.
I find it hard to believe the Knicks did this WITHOUT a secret handshake from at least KD -- but then again, these guys signed Noah, Hardaway & Lee 2 the same amount they just opened up, so....
no way Butler goes, he wants to win now and not have to deal with a bunch of young guys which the knicks are going to have. Maybe if they win the lottery and get Zion, but I could see them drafting Ja Morant
knicks couldve gotten way more. at least demand mavs lottery pick this year if its a lottery pick hawks dont get it other teams wouldve given wayyyyyy more
Why does Bill Simmons open his podcast with a Seattle Band led by a Cubs fan? Doesnt Boston have a good rock band?
New York about to sign Isaiah Thomas to a max deal 😂
for the knicks fans out there, you gained alot. The future is so much brighter for you. Every year you have hope thru the draft to get better.
what about the bargnani trade???
Kyrie hates Boston. He just released a movie about Rucker Park. It's going to be KD, Zion or Reddish and Kyrie, with DSJ, Knox and if Kristaps is not healthy then those Dallas picks can be lottery in the future. Kleinman wants to run the Knicks as the GM.
For a second I thought Simmons was promoting a show called "Tequila Mockingbird."
(Yes, I'm a Knicks fan in denial).
i m crying out how awfully this aged
Celts are better w/o Kyrie. Mark my words Rozier is a stud and they are better with him and this is comin from a Laker fan.
why would KD want injury prone shoot first Kyrie as his running mate, Kyrie recently said he wants to retire early too
You can't keep someone who doesn't want to be there...
People sometimes is not the big stars may do well .sometimes is the unknown make a name for themselves.if lin did not get pull from the end of the bench we would of never knew who was him
Coming back to this on 1.07.2021 and all I have to say is yikes. Kristaps is far from what Mavs fans expected. Donnie is gone. Rick is gone. Haralabos Voulgaris aka the shadow GM is running a lot of stuff and it seems like lots of people inside the organisastion are against it.
Stop comparing it the last 20 years to this Knicks front office remember that
"Even if it's KD and Tobias Harris, I think people are going to be like "what the fuck is this?""... They can't be serious. What New Yorker wouldn't want KD and Tobias over a post-torn ACL Porzingis and Tim Hardaway Jr. and his terrible contract?? If getting rid of those two guys means you have a chance at KD and literally anyone else-- it was absolutely worth it.
It's a huge risk, but players still want to be the King of New York. Any player(s) who takes the Knicks deep into the playoffs will immediately become GODS in the Big Apple-- and that alone is an incentive for guys to come. MSG is still MSG.
Poor Zinger , Hardaway and Lee are going with him.
ol no big free agent will go to the knicks if anything they should have demanded mavs lottery pick his year not picks 2 years away
occurs razor - KD is coming / Porzingis projection for recovery from ACL injury is unfavorable
It's stupid people who don't read between the lines who are surprised with KP parting ways with the Knicks. It's all written in the walls ever since KP acted like a Melo puppet and did not show up for that exit interview with Phil. I knew right then that there was a big crack in the relationship. And with his lower extremities showing similar cracks, then I was sure that the desire for separation became mutual.
I am happy for both camps. Mavs look like the early winners, but when is KP gonna sit with an ailment again? Right now, the Knicks look like losers, but they are sitting on a chest of money to lure franchise players. Judgement is reserved until after they have reconstructed their line up for next year. Until then, the Knicks' grade is incomplete.
So getting rid of bad contracts did cost you a more tan plausible perennial all-star...Man i ve seen this since they thought Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury where to became the best 1-2 punch in the NBA..lol...Adam Silver should arrange the Knicker Bockers from Dolan´s Family...
Last year, Porzingis averaged 22.7 points and 6.6 rebounds a game. This year, Tobias Harris is averaging 21 points and 8 rebounds... Yet, they act like getting Tobias and KEVIN DURANT would be a disappointment. Not saying Porzingis is overrated, but since he has left the league there have been a ton of guys who have stepped up into his statistical caliber (John Collins, Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons, Julius Randle, Giannis, Zach lavine, Nikola Mirotic, Lauri Markkanen, etc) and his value is being slightly inflated-- especially coming off an ACL as a 7-footer.
Stats dont tell the full story: KP plays awesome defense/scores more efficiently than almost all the guys you named. Mirotic is a side guy. Markkanen is a poor mans KP.
Gotta settle for just becoming a playoff team first. After that, Knicks might be able to change view on organization. Some Knick fans thinking championship now... I don't think that is realistic, even with KD and Kyrie. Everyone around them is too young and raw. But who knows...
Knicks need 2giv rid of their owner!
party 4 days in the row in slovenia and latvia for da77as
knicks had to address financial morass created by Phil Jackson and company. Porzingis had to be sold to keep the kids in college
as inept as the knicks are, this trade imo 100% means 2 things or maybe both: KP only has around 6 nba years in him and the knicks know it or, Kd or Kyrie are def coming.. maybe both are true. you simply dont do this deal unless 1 of those things are true- KP is broken or big free agents are coming. But the knicks are legendarily inept.. so maybe that's all it is.
This pod has aged like a fine malt liquor.
NO had the longest time to surround ad with talent and they got boogie and then got rid of him look at how dallas handled luka they immediately got porzingiz and did stuff
Lets go Mavs
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You guys booed Kristaps on Draft night.. He remembers..
Saying this trade is worse than the Curry trade is idiotic.
Mavs get 2 cornerstone players younger than 25 and still have enough cap space to sign a big FA this off season while having a decent young core of Powell, Brunson, Kleber and Dorian Finney Smith. Knicks clears their cap but let's be honest...history is not on Knicks side with doing any good business with their cap. they might fuck around and panic and give Dragic and Middleton the max when they fail to bring in Kyrie and Durant. the only good thing is that they're tanking so they might get Zion. yall can say the knicks made a good move but let's be honest....it's the knicks. also Kyrie is a ball dominant guard and so is DSJ. if Kyrie do gets signed then what do they do with DSJ??
we will see.
If only Sean knew then.
Them shitting on Carmelo is disrespectful af
Will people realize that no one is going to the fucking Knicks
This is the Luka Doncic effect
oh boy
Pure Knicks move, trying to fix inmediately previous overpaid contracts to win or bust mode...so they became a perennial all star if not superstar into dennis Smith, a couple of late first rounders and cap flexibility??? jesuschrist....
dandre to lakers?
phil Jackson is the worst GM ever. just traded for dennis smith who they could have drafted. phil literally had no good desicion
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good podcast untill i heart ad WAY BETTER than kd and i was like whaaaaat im out this is ridiculous and no one said anything about it you might argue he is currently a bit better(which he isnt) kd had acomplished 10x more than ad before he went to gsw . people say its easy for him cuz he play with other allstars now but his stats would be waaaay better if he wasnt he can easily avg 30/10/6 if he has to carry on his own
Lamar Odom was a Knick but never played
Why are you advertising Broadway plays on sports pod? This is a narrative of sports today...... Fans paying ppl/media to live there best lives all on fan $$$$. Change it up or hover around 10,000
Yes!!!!!