Christopher Hitchens on Being Challenged for Lack of Faith
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This is how not to do a Short.
lol indeed. My lord!
Clickbait
@@jasontheconner6120 Yes, but, be fair, Hitch wasn't doing a one-liner. If had been, he'd come up with a great one.
Don't make the mistake of thinking this man couldn't, or that he ever was reading from crib notes!
Good, if you're talking about whoever posted this. This is cut from a longer discussion.
If Hitchens were asked for a one-liner, you can rest assured he'd have come up with a gem.
You putz.
@@AlicedeTocqueville He's saying it's not a good short because you don't get his answer, you complete moron.
"Just without leaving the letter B, I HAVE been in that situation: in Bombay, in Belfast, in Beirut, in Belgrade, in Bagdad..."
Were you wearing adult diapers?🤔
Did any of them give you succor?☻
You know exactly how fast to run
...Birmingham...Bradford...
Why were you there??? ?????
@@chrisrogan4531 What an incredibly stupid question. I am baffled.
How do you give a yes or no answer to that question?
Q. "Would you feel safer or less safe?"
A. Yes
I'd feel safer.
Now do a group of 12 Black men.
@@civilization57 They are Black. Specifically, Black Muslims.
@@civilization57 They don't look like you so they are scary?
Could you rephrase your response as in poverty or rich?
@@ridingwithpat Blacks aren't scary because they are Black. They are scary because they commit 8x as many crimes per capita as Whites. Maybe you don't know this because you were born yesterday.
@@civilization57 Talk about outing yourself for your bigotry and hatred.
You left out the best part. His answer was brilliant.
I would have liked the answer but did they include it here? I assumed they edited it out
@@FlatlandMando Yes, because whoever upped it wanted you to believe he was referring solely to Islam. He wasn't.
Do you know where is the complete clip?
If it was anything other than "I would feel safer" then it was not brilliant
@@woodrunner51TH-cam for whole lecture
You must listen to Hitch's full lectures. They are worth the time.
He gives an outstanding response to this which is CUT from the short 🤧
That question can be answered "safer", "less safe", or "need more information".
I'm an atheist. If I were in Muzaffargarh, I would feel less safe. I know what the faithful in that town do to unbelievers. They may question me. If I were in Seymour (John Melloncamp's smalltown) small town, I would feel safer. The faithful in Seymour do not abuse unbelievers. They probably would not even question me. At most, they would talk to me about their faith.
So, the answer is "need more information"
if you had listened, you would know that you have to answer with yes or no. not with anything else. now try again.
@Jarl Nils I did listen carefully. It’s ridiculous to limit it to yes or no without more information. For Muzaffargarh, "no". For Seymour, "yes". If it were random city somewhere in the world, and I was completely uncertain whether it was a Sunni Mosque or a Lutheran Church, then I would say "no" but only because of the uncertainty and the odds.
@@nothosaur of both?
@Jarl Nils do you mean "or both". I don't understand your reply.
@@nothosaur you can not answer to a question with an "or" with yes or no. You would always mean both things.
Do you want water or beer?
Yes.
Regarding Religion as a cultural, social influence, I would definitely be comforted by the 'prayer meeting' explanation- after all, Thou shalt not kill!
Even in the US, a LOT of criminals go to prayer meetings. The most religious person I've ever met was my brother. He was hyper religious and attended several prayer meetings a week when he murdered 3 people before being shot by police.
@mewse1203 your brother was not religious! He was mentally ill!
@edwinmercado5723 yew, he had some mental health issues, butnhe he absolutely was religious. He was very active in his church. He went to Bible study at least once a week and went to church every Wednesday and Sunday along with those several prayer meetings I spoke of. Those are just the basics of what he did. He was VERY active in the church and believed in God.
He was on parole and went to church so much and was so active in it that the people that were supposed to be watching him thought that they didn't need to be as strict on him as they were supposed to because he was such a good and active church member because someone so religious couldn't possibly get into trouble.
You don't get to deny reality just because it's painful.
The US prisons are FULL of believers, mostly Christians.
"Would you feel more or less safe?"
"Yes"
12 men are coming towards me, I have no friends is that town. Those 12 men aren't friends coming towards me. So NO.
This guy was brilliant 👏
Glad to see comrades in the comments who know what was said.
cutting off Hitch's response makes the clip, at best, pointless, but more importantly, misleading.
Nicely encapsulating his whole intellectual career.
The moment that somebody insists on a yes/no answer to an unseen question, then you can pretty well guarantee that there's an agenda at play.
The right answer to most real world question is "it depends".
Nobody expects a Spanish Inquisition
I know a guy who knows a guy who totally expected the Spanish Inquisition.
I generally trust religion less than I trust police or lawyers, that's saying something
*Christopher Hitchens:* "Comrades"
*JonTron:* "Well, that one didn't age quite so well. Did it?"
I would have answered “if they were catholic priests and I was under 14 years old I would immediately started screaming for help as loud and fearful a voice as you can imagine, turned and run as fast as possible “ !
There's still too many details missing to simply give a yes or no answer.
They nicely forgot his response:
"Just without leaving the letter B, I HAVE been in that situation: in Bombay, in Belfast, in Beirut, in Belgrade, in Bagdad..."
Right? No idea what religion it is. Could be Islam, Christianity, Judaism, anything, even just some made up stuff or something from a video game. Totally derails any sort of validity and discussion.
There isn't a yes or no answer. The question was, would you feel safer or less safe? How do you give a yes or no answer to that?
@@marianhoblyn2552 the question is begging an answer. Religious people see themselves as moral and safe. The rest of us do not share their certainty.
@@marianhoblyn2552 thats the dishonesty of religion. Forcing you to answer with a yes or no with a question so vague, it might as well be not worth answering.
"... would you feel safer or less safe..." doesn't allow for a yes/no answer !
So I think the only plausible answer would, literally be "yes or no".
As a Black person in the U.S., I would be terrified if I knew they were Evangelicals.
Get a grip fr 😂
Dayum 🏃🏃🏃
And if they were black? Black on black violence is a real thing.
I'm white, so my answer would be, "Depends on who they're praying to." Some religions are innocuous, others... not so much.
why did you cut out the rest of it? The best bits?
LESS SAFE is the logical response..Yes or no to safer or less safe....is incoherent..like many religious narcicsists
Without leaving the letter B,,, he is missed
He misstated the question. He was to imagine the group of men was coming from a Bible study, not a prayer meeting. I'm not sure if the error was intentional or or just ignorance.
A dozen religious fanatics meet Hitchens in a dark alley …. And the question is whether Hitchens would feel safe
That ist not a Yes : No Question! 😂😂😂
Depends,if you are older than 10, you're safe
Lol ouch
Einstein said, “In light of such a harmony in the universe that I, with my limited human mind, can determine, there are still people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me in support of views like these.” [26]
Question: "Why did Einstein find it so difficult to answer yes or no to the existence of a Creator?" Was it based on science or illusions?
He was asked: Why did Anthony retreat from atheism? Is this regression based on science or illusions?
And what do they all believe in one Creator?
This creation, the structure of the universe, the
foods, the tongue that tastes, the teeth that grind, the stomach that digests, the excretion of waste from the body, oxygen, the lungs, the eyes, the sexual desire and many other things, this does not indicate anything. Are you 100% sure of not having a creator?
Rivers and seas and the creatures in them and the rain that sows the earth beyond
It is very with lots of fruits
Nothing creates something
Are you 100% sure of not having a creator?
Go and see what religion commands you to worship. One Creator created everything, no three, no more, no less, but one. Go and see for yourself, you will find only one religion
But I will remind you of something you may have forgotten. And I want you to think about it. You are here in this world against your will. Just think a little bit that you are not here. By your own choice. You are here by choice.Choose to be here.He is one and you will go. See who commands you to worship one Creator, and you will find one religion, which is the religion of the prophets, and that is Islam. The matter is not easy, the matter is great in this existence, because whoever is able to bring you into this world against your will, after death, will either find you in grace and beauty that you have not seen, or torment and fear. which you have not seen.
Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, is a prophet from the Creator, and before him many prophets did not lie or deceive, and he is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator who created everything.
First of all, you should know that the religion of all prophets is the worship of one Creator who created everything. Islam today is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator and not idols, illusions, conjecture or a number of gods. But how do we know that the speech is from God and not from Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace? . These are some of the things that comfort your heart and believe that this is a prophet and many of the prophets before him
This evidence appears generation after generation. The generation that lived with the Messenger, may God bless him and grant him peace, witnessed miracles, and I collected for you what this generation has. in which we live
The Almighty said: (Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke)
The smoke confirms that the origin of this universe is inflamed. It is not a lake of water, as was the perception of all philosophies and religions that are based on illusion. This is one of the postulates of modern science today that the sky is condensation of smoke. This fact converted the French scientist Maurice to Islam and wrote a book entitled the Holy Qur’an on the scale of modern science
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty says: ((And the heaven We constructed))
The sky is a building, not a vacuum as it was thought, and this was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2017 that proved it
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
The Almighty’s saying: ((And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.
)).
That is, the sky expands with time. This fact, even in the time of Einstein, was not imagined by anyone and it was proven. And Einstein admitted it and admitted that it was the biggest scientific mistake he made in his life if he believed that the sky was fixed. The Qur’an before Einstein says that the sky expands
fact
Almighty’s saying: :((And We have made the night and day two signs, and We erased the sign of the night and made the sign of the day visible that you may seek bounty from your Lord and may know the number of years and the account [of time]. And everything We have set out in detail.
)).
The verse of the night is the moon and the verse of the day is the sun. The Qur'an tells that the sun and the moon were fiery masses. That is, the moon was a fiery mass and was erased, and the verse of the day remained visible to the eyes. Was the moon a fiery mass and extinguished? This is one of the biggest scientific issues discovered about the moon. The moon was already a fiery mass, and NASA issued on its official website a conceptual clip entitled The Evolution of the Moon in the video. In fact, the moon was a fiery mass like the sun, and this is what the Qur’an told about and the truth of modern science.
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before?
Almighty’s saying
And you see the mountains thinking that they are rigid, while you will cross as the passage of clouds. [It is] the work of God who has perfected everything. In fact, he knows what you're doing.))
And the verse clearly spoke of a strange phenomenon, which is that the viewer of the mountains appears to him still, that is, they are still, but in fact they are not like that, rather they are in a state of constant movement. And the infidels of Quraish had previously accused our master Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, of madness, and it is likely that their joy was overwhelming when this verse was revealed.
They also found in it, according to their claim, evidence of this madness, and they told the people: How can you believe this man who says that these fixed mountains move like clouds moving in the sky!
And today it is proven that the earth rotates, and with it the mountains, how did Muhammad know that and why is he telling you instead of the matter that makes people consider him crazy? The matter was not from him, but from God.
.
Almighty’s saying
Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe)).
After man was able to reach the sky by flying by modern means of transportation, he knew that the higher up in the air, the less oxygen and atmospheric pressure, which causes severe tightness in the chests and the process of breathing. :
How did Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, know this fact before? It was not from him, but from God
Almighty’s saying
Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with billow topped by billow, topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hands, he can hardly see it! for any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light!
Modern sciences have revealed that in the bottom of the deep seas with abundant water - the deep sea - there is great darkness, to the extent that living creatures live in this darkness without visual tools, but live using their other senses such as hearing.
These dark darknesses are not found in the sea water that surrounds the Arabian Peninsula, but rather they have been discovered in the oceans far from it
This verse shows another aspect of the Qur’anic miracle, which is that the sea wave that all people only knew was one wave in the seas
The verse says there is another wave in the depths of the sea, and divers discovered at the beginning of the twentieth century a fact that was hidden in the depths of the sea, that fact that shows another wave that throws divers into it as it is thrown at swimmers, and this wave was discovered by Scandinavian divers.
.I will tell you what the Prophet said. The Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: One day the Bedouins who live in the desert will build tall towers, and this is my duty. Go and see where the
tallest buildings are and who owns them.
God Almighty: ((We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?)
And God informed the Qur’an of this by saying: “Did you think that we created you without a purpose and that you would never return to us?”
All these and other matters that I have not mentioned indicate that this is a prophet from God..More important than that, as I told you, is the only religion that commands you to worship one Creator, who created everything and before him many prophets
Say, if you wish, there is no god but God, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God
speak from the heart
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It depends on what religion the prayer meeting was held under. The same as newcomer to town, or different one.
Gosh! I miss this Great Man!
comrads, friends, brothers, sisters. Hitch knew he was preaching to the choir.
How has this got 20k likes? It's edited before he gives his thought-provoking answer.
The unnamed broadcaster was Dennis Prager. I'm an atheist & a big fan of Hitch. That said; he did not faithfully relate the actual question & as it was asked the answer was obvious.
We really should not be afraid to acknowledge that there are plenty of good things about religious belief. I'm just an atheist because I find the evidence for the truth of theism entirely lacking & the evidence for naturalism entirely compelling.
Furthermore; outside of their biblically inspired bigotry towards homosexuals, I think the typical theist has a superior ethos to the typical secular person in todays world.
I think he got saved near the end of his life
You can’t answer yes or no to that question. It offers a choice, it’s not a closed question
I think the point was that the questioner asked for a yes / no answer to a question that does not have a yes/ no answer. Do you feel safer under condition A or condition B?
Depends what type of prayer/ religion meeting it was. As a visible jew, if it was Muslim I'd be screwed. But if it was anything else I'd feel way safer. Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, even Jainism 🙏
You cut off his response.
That was a question by Dennis Prager. An interesting question but an unfair one from the start. He’s comparing knowing SOMETHING about a group of people vs knowing NOTHING about them. That’s not an equal comparison. Of course you’d feel more comfortable knowing they were coming from a prayer meeting because you have some information. Shit, I would feel more comfortable knowing they were planning to rob me so I could get out of there. So the answer is yes, I’d feel better knowing they were coming from Church, but I’d feel even better than that knowing they were coming from a science convention.
You cut off Hitchens' response? That's ((searches for the right word)) Hitcheresy!
In case anyone is wondering, he goes on to answer how he has been in this scenario multiple times. The video I recall seeing this in is one where he is debating at a Christian college. But I don't remember the name.
For all the Atheist saying this Short is incomplete : it'll be the same thing if you encounter 9 men coming from a baseball game...
If you use the bat for physical aggression, other than the baseball ball...
Well you see the point.
Anywhere in Iran...Pakistan,Hawaii, London etc
That would really depend on the religion and denomination. They could have been praying for armageddon and death of all infidels, or relief to their fellow man who are suffering.
And Christopher Hitchens died at 62 of Oesophegeal cancer. We reap what we sow.
Classic question . You're on a street corner in the city, do you prefer to be there late Saturday night or early Sunday morning. The joke being Sat night is party goers and likely drunk, Sun morning is church goers..
Wondering how Hitch did at the pearly gates..... which reminds me of a favorite joke....
The point is to ask the insufferably sanctimonious questioner if it would matter whether they were Muslim or Christian.
And yes, it would matter very much, because the other religion is scary and dangerous, whereas our guys are sweetie pies.
I believe his point is that the question was presented as confusing and irrelevant as scripture since the choice of answers, (yes or no), has no relevance to the question.
I'd probably say "YES", depending on which Deity they had been praying to.
Yhh not really.
There are copious examples where you'd be better off running for your life regardless of which deity they worship.
Christians, Muslims, sihks and even Buddhists are all guilty of this. And even worse if you happen to be of a different religion or no religion at all where in 13 countries you'll not only be killed but the killers would be praised by the authorities.
Yes to what?
He never get it during his miserable atheist life. GOD GIVE US A FREE WILL. FREEDOM IN FAITH TO MADE CHOICES IS THE GREATEST THING. It doesn't determines faith in Jesus Christ. Sins of believers do not determines faith at all.
Of course any rational being would want those coming from the prayer meeting. Even non-believers know that belief in God changes people behavior. Usually for the better.
Do you have any way of knowing whether they consider you "one of them" or not? Cause that's the real question.
Anybody have the rest?
That depends if they are chanting while burning flags.
But, should not this be a valid concern and feeling you could have whenever
In a public place or situation?
Any GROUP of people walking en masse away from ANY meeting and towards an individual person would scare the sh*t out of anyone who isn't specifically part of that group.
If, in an unfamiliar street at night, I saw a group of f*cking GIRL SCOUTS walking en masse toward me? I'd be G-D CREEPED OUT. I might feel "safe" in the sense that I could probably take out a few of them without a scratch, but I'd feel existential panic as to why they're all walking in a group towards me at dusk.
Now... if they all had cookies.....? Different story.
If the entire crew at my LOCAL Subway sandwich shop, still in their aprons or T-shirts, walked purposefully towards me all in a group?? I'd be in a panic.
I've watched A Clockwork Orange too many times not to be afraid of ANY group walking toward me. Even if they're pasty-white Brits with white jumpers on, an excess of eye makeup, and athletic supporters worn on the outside...? That's the stuff of f*cking NIGHTMARES, are you kidding me?
I mean, Hitchens was a genius, but it doesn't take a genius or a philosopher to know that you turn and RUN from any group like the one he describes, regardless of whether it's affiliated with ANY religion.
For all of those of you who dont get this, Hitchens used to be a war correspondent, in the Middle East and ,Africa during religious conflicts. He knows just how dangerous religious insurgents are.
Many wars started by False religions
Yet atheists perfected communism 🤔
Which religious whatever...???? There is a huge difference, who are those believers.... Mostly, Christians today would be much safer than any other "meetings".....
@@sergkapitan2578I do not believe for one moment that you need an answer to this question.
Thanks a lot! Without your explanation I would still be wondering what that was about. 🤗
Boo
The video literally stops before he gives his response. Who edited this?
Knowing it's Hitchens and that he is speaking about it to a crowd,. he PROBABLY made a smarmy remark against the ones who left the prayer meeting,..
@@randykuhns4515 Being Hitchens, it was considerably more than a smarmy remark. It was an eloquent list of examples of why believers should be avoided. But I suspect Elliot already knew that.
The point is to make you think what your response would be.
The answer is obvious.
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YES!
@@GordieGii 'yes' as an answer to what question?
Who cuts clips like these?!? Is there a report button for this atrocities?!
If you find one, let me know
Reserved for brainiacs.
You must allow the occasional clip for the few of us who appreciate something other than babies, dogs, and ppl spewing hatred of everything and everyone.😁
@@sunshineandwarmthYou mean like setups with the punchlines cut off from the end?
@@sunshineandwarmthWhat a pompous comment. Regardless of its content, this short was horribly edited.
These shorts are oft created by an AI which apparently has yet to be taught about punchlines
You cut out the best part:
"Just without leaving the letter B, I HAVE been in that situation: in Bombay, in Belfast, in Beirut, in Belgrade, in Bagdad..."
All countries divided and destabilised by the western powers.
@@casteretpollux That's true. While I like Hitchens, he (and many other atheists) often overlooked the role Western powers play in both destabilizing the world stage and in fueling the rise of religious extremism (and Hitchens' case, defending it)
@@BenMedia7 Is it majority of atheist who overlook the role western powers play in the destabilization and fueling the rise of religious extremists in the world? Or, is it the popular or well known ones, who are in the public square of debates, that overlook? Hitchens, James Harris, etc? Especially in matters involving Isreal. I would think that most atheist would look at how religion plays a role on both sides, the perpetrators in the westernized world, and the stoked religious extremists. The perpetrators would likely be Christian or Jewish, and the extremists likely Muslim.
Thank you for supplying the answer to the question.
@@gc-l.a.6024 I don't know if it's actually a majority or not, but at the very least a lot of the major ones ignore it. Now, Dawkins at the very least understood the role religion played in regards to the Iraq War and Hitchens understood it in regards to Israel/Palestine. But for the most part, a lot of Atheists do overlook the role Western powers play in regards to destabilization and the rise of religious extremism in reaction to that. And that is a problem. It's very easy to make fun of religion and point out its absurdities, but in regards to religious fundamentalism and extremism you have to look at the context that allowed it to rise in the first place.
He should have answered: Not if they recognize me.
@bina nocht YES: I will feel safe. NO: I will not feel safe.
LMAO!!!
Good one
Hahahahaahahahahaah
Im sure he thought of that later on
Christopher you will always be a model of mental clarity and linguistic elegance. In perpetual memory.
A tragedy his insides were so unwell
Absolutely!
How so? He didn't answer the question. Evading an honest answer is NOT "linguistic elegance".
@@civilization57 He did answer the question. The video was deliberately cut short.
Indeed, he was very sharp
the answer was even better...
Would you let a priest or a vicar babysit your child?
Let’s not wait for the answer.
No, but I wouldn't let a judge, doctor, lawyer, ANY celebrity alive, my relatives, the next door neighbor, a teacher, a politician, police officer.........etc either.
What's your fcking point.
All of the above have been convicted multiple time of child molestation you twat.
The answer is "no" because allowing random men to babysit is weird to begin with. However, with the question he was asked, the answer, in protestant countries, is that yes, you would feel more safe. Hitchen's answer relies on Islam and Hinduism.
Would you let a teacher babysit your child?
I would be more terrified knowing they just came back from a prayer meeting. Nothing quite as scary as a group of men at dusk, jacked up on sanctimonious false sense of superiority.
Scared of 12 black men coming from church, got ya.
No, you would not.
Superiority??? What you talking ebout . You must be from Uk or Us.
Where being Catholic or else means nothing cose they all leave same life but hate each other 😂
As opposed to from where else? A Ted Talk, a pub, from their job, etc... Another desperate question and attempt to justify blind faith in fairy tales.
To insult people doesn't qualify as an argument. Also, you don't even understand the question. There is no "opposed to" because the question is whether religion, in general, makes people better. If you feel safer about people, simply because you know that those people are religious, that means religion makes them better people. And the fact is, it does.
@@Garium87 no, it doesn't.
Cmon, he's talking about what could happen in real life. People don't leave the places you mention with a sign on them, so how would you know?
@@Garium87 It doesn't. A person is good or bad by their character. There are plenty of priests and extremists who have proven this.
@@Garium87 imagine a bunch of muslims coming from a prayer meeting. What you don't know is that it was with a well versed mullah echoing the bigoted, violent, racist teachings of Prophet Muhammad.
If only we still had him! Imagine what he'd think of the state of the world
He would have caused a lot more debates about everything our leaders are doing wrong.
And he would have further shown everyone how amazing he was.
He would of probably preferred what it's like now the world's alot less religious and ungodly now then it's ever been
Jonny Walkers whiskey are sad to have lost such a great customer....
@@jayreyndogz1791 What does *"ungodly"* mean?
@@chikkipop 'What does "ungodly" mean?'
I am positive you are attempting to be argumentative, because a simple 3 second search would land you the resulted definition, but regardless I will do your leg work this time for you:
ungodly
adjective
1
a: denying or disobeying God : impious, irreligious
b: contrary to moral law : sinful, wicked
2
a: outrageous
b: far exceeding the ordinary, usual, or expected
c: severely objectionable to the senses
Question for you, are you able to take the necessary time to interpret which of the definitions apply here, or would you like further assistance?
They insist on a yes or no response, but it's not a yes or no question!! They're numbskulls.
It is how -manipators- manipulators tend to argue.
It actually is a yes or no question and doesn't require anything other than a yes or no answer. There is nothing complicated about the question in the least - regardless how some may want to spin things.
@@DoubleDogDare54 Absolutely!
@@DoubleDogDare54 the people flying the airplanes into WTC where not agnostic by any stretch of the imagination
Most nazis where churchgoing baptised people.
sooo...
Everything in life my friend, is either yes or no, black or white, there are no grey areras. If you think about the question for long enough you will break it down to those answers. But you need to think, it's ok take you time on that.
There is nothing to be feared more than atheist scientists: go read some history.
He should've just followed directions and said "No."
you're thinking of Baptists, they're not religious 😉
@KarimTemple Perfect! 😂
Every cross burning by the KKK starts and ends with a prayer... so I'm going to say no.
that is what I was about to say.
Yeah, no. If you saw men coming from the prayer meeting you have about a billion to one chance that they were average Christian guys and not KKK.
Luke 19:27.
Atheist regimes have slaughtered hundreds of millions of persons
I would feel less safe because them coming from a prayer meeting is no guarantee of moral behavior on their part.
look at this nerd i bet he prays standing up! Get em boys!
that doesnt make you less safe and the point is about fanatics
And you have refuted yourself, if these people are bad its due to their own immorality and not to the prayer meeting whose purpose is to get elevated
During the oil boom @1980 i lived in Houston wh was full of yuppies at the time bc of mega jobs w good pay.
A lot of young men @30+ yrs went to church to meet girls bc they thought they would have a better chance w church going girls bc, being religious, they would be easier.
Pity those girls meeting those guys, 12 of them, who had probably stopped for a few jack daniels after leaving the church.
@zlatanibrahimovic8329 it would make me FEEL less safe because I am a woman and most religions tell their men that if they rape a woman it is HER fault for existing in the first place and they can be free of consequence if they say sorry to their God with no thought of the person they just violated.
Considering the literally murderous hate directed at my community by religious fanatics I would be terrified.
GD, I freaking miss him.
Me too, pulls at my heart strings , such an impactful character 😢
There it is
I scrolled
I must admit I was surprised it took a few minutes but here it is.
‘The most cliched message on TH-cam’
Some (who’s never met him) saying they ‘miss’ him
My god man.
@nealmceneaney3771 lol. Clichéd? You man like someone saying "great job", or "nice"? Some things are just said, and said often my guy. Mybsons and i would wake up to him, debating, every sundy morning. Hes an icon. Id LOVE to hear what hed have o say about our currentpoliticalenvironment. Hed SMASH! WE NEED AND MISS VOICES LIKE HIS. PERIOD......so ya, it's possible to miss someone, having never known them. I'm sorry you don't have that in your life. Therapy could you my guy. Better Help, maybe? You don't even have to leave your house! 😉
Depends on your age and if they're Catholics. 😂
There are some prayer meetings that don't end in an exhortation to peace.
But there are many more that do:)))) This guy is just ordinary hypocrite or "diseased" in his worldview.... Very shallow, not knowing deep, true Christian Theology. He pretends to know something, in reality knowing very little :) 😉
They always have clever questions for atheist...
Yet none for their own
The response that follows is something like “Well if I were in Baghdad or Belfast I would be very afraid. And we only got as far as the B’s”.
The point being that a hell of a lot of the world’s violence has been carried out by “Men of faith”.
Safer than what?
Safer than if they had just left a pub? Maybe.
Safer than if they had just left a lecture on critical thinking? No.
He answered ‘it depends where you are’ and goes on to say there are many cities in the world where religion-based violence towards ‘others’ is quite frequent.
Oh please try harder.
@@patrickhanly7458 Ahh, truth is annoying to you?
@@mikeyb2932 not annoying, just dishonest. The original question was about a group of men leaving a Bible study in a western Christian context, not any place in the world were religious violence occurs. So again, if we are honest we all know that this would not be a threat and you could even feel confident that they would help you if you need. Please spare me the outside exceptions and be honest.
@@patrickhanly7458 Ahh, not only does truth seem to annoy you, you are also the dishonest one.
Even if the question had not been set "in a strange city where you've never been before" but instead "in a western city of mostly christian belief" and also not stated "that they have recently come from a prayer meeting" but instead "that they had come from a bible study" - then religious violence is definitely not something that does not occur. I take it you have never heard of Belfast, which is one of the locations I believe he mentions in his answer.
Both Protestants and Catholics perpetrated quite a bit of violence against each other.
Religion does not make people better than they were before, it does however make them associate with a group that believe they are the only ones who know the truth and that puts everyone outside that group in opposition.
@@patrickhanly7458 and no Belfast is not an (Edit start) Outside (Edit end) exception to your 'rule'. Belfast is just one of the more extreme cases.
No matter how much logic & reason is brought to the table, people with strong faith will not accept it. How do you convince someone who believes questioning god & religion results in burning in hell. They accept magical stories like miracles and never question the existence of god since they’re told human brain isn’t big enough to understand him.
Is your brain big enough yet to understand it? Even atheist are arguing blindly... Am sure religious people will give up if you can proof to them empirically that there is no god
@@johneneojowilliams5081 you are the ones with the massive claim of the supernatural. As Carl Sagan put is “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” you are the ones making the claim such as the existence of heaven & hell with zero evidence. The burden of proof is on you not I.
what you are proposing here is similar to me saying, fifty of my friends and I believe in the invisible spaghetti monster. Now YOU prove to me that the spaghetti monster doesn’t exist and we’ll give up on the idea.
How would you “empirically” do that? Do you understand what the word means? With nonsense what data is there to be collected and measured over and over to produce consistent result?
Can I ask Jesus to walk on water again and get him to do it 10 more times so I can collect data and test the water in the Dead Sea at the time for buoyancy and salt density to indicate miracle exists that goes against the rule of physics? You cannot ask anyone to empirically disprove your fairytales since faith is emotionally heartfelt for you? And what could’ve been tested in physical form like the miracles, well god got tired of repeating them for us to measure them scientifically in this day and age so we just have to take your word for it. I don’t think so. Next time you want to use words like empirical evidence, put them in the right context.
I was love to see a brain scan of religious person while they defending their religion vs having a normal conversation. I'm willing to bet the logic region of the brain mysteriously goes dark.
Irrational, unfounded, faith based beliefs by atheists who rage against religion:
Gender theory
Multiverse theory
Simulation theory
Marxist theory
Queer theory
Nazism
Différance
Apocalypticism
Getting rid of secular religion has created a vacuum. Rather than believing in nothing irrational, people's lives are completely dominated by irrational beliefs, we are worse off and unhappier than ever.
@@johnw574 funny that you bring up gender theory because I put them in the same mentally ill camp as religious people. Both groups think if they believe hard enough in something then they can ignore science.
Oh, so no member of a prayer meeting ever committed a crime? A sexual assault? Beat their partner or child? Carrues weapons? Is a zealot?
Rudiculous!
Yeah, I wouldn't feel safe if a group of cult members were approaching me.
shower of cults 🤣
😂👍
you're thinking of Baptists 😉
Meeting them on the street, rather than having them knock on the door of my house? Asking.....Would you like to talk about your personal relationship with ___?
@@bestofburden Lol, I assure you I would not, as I have not.
Enough of an upload to expose the inherent absurdity of all religions.
Of course I wouldn’t feel safe. A dozen men, at night, all coming from a prayer meeting? That sounds like insane behavior.
😁🤣🤣🤣
I would never feel safe. Reason is that religious bigots always take two main approaches: 1) You're guilty of (whatever) 2) You're the enemy of their faith. Therefore, they are not guilty of any violence they commit against you. In their view, you're the aggressor, therefore anything they want to do to you is holly. Basically, you're screwed and they will do whatever they feel like - without remorse.
He was a remarkable man
Remarkably entirely up his own arse; something few have achieved.
@@richsackett3423 I don't even know what that means... a lot of his stuff I don't agree with but I certainly admire his mental acuity. People's sexual preferences are none of my business, well to a point anyway.
Why not include his answer ffs ?
His answer was no, then he proceeds to say that without leaving the letter B, he's had this experience in Beirut, Bombay, Belfast, Belgrade, Baghdad, and then he described those experiences.
D Prager said, imagine the 12 men just emerged from a bible study. Not sure he said anywhere in the world either.
I miss Hitchens! So much.
"These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them". 2 Peter 2:17
Depends on the prayer meeting. Is it a jihud prayer meeting? Or a come to Jesus meeting? I and most logical people would have the opposite answer for either of those.
His answer was epic…Along the lines of just how how fast he would run away if they’d come from a prayer meeting.
Dennis Prager would ask this all the time. Once someone answered, "Am I black or white?"
@@indcreate indeed!
@@indcreateBecause white Christians are attacking black people simply for being black?
That's a thing in your world?
@@Garium87 White Christians attacking black people is a thing in your world, too-both historically and currently. Judao-Christians assume that Dennis Prager's question will prove how being religious is a good thing. But the question only allows for a Yes answer if the time, place, and social place of the Bible studiers involved are amenable to whomever is being asked the question. So the "Am I black?" answer is a brilliant way of handling a loaded Y/N question like this. Before you check in with Ben Shapiro or Tucker Carlson and try to argue with me, take a chill pill and just answer the question without the assumptions Prager and yourself are making. Examples: You are a white American and the 12 religious men are Muslim; You are Muslim and the 12 religious men are white Christians coming back from a funeral for their white friend who just died in a suicide bombing; You are a redheaded atheist and 4 of the religious men are Palestinian Muslims, 4 are Jews, 4 are Christians in the U.S. Military... Hopefully, you get the idea now.
Twelve prayer meeting gents as a physical threat... i guess that depends where i am and if i am considered an "infidel" or not. If 12 gangsters and i got money, oops. But one thing is for sure... If someone tells me they are religious,especially evangelical types of any faith, I want to run like hell away from them.
The person asking was Dennis Prager, wasn't it?
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The question is contradictory. If you were in a strange city where you had never been before and knew no-one, it would be impossible to know whether a group of people approaching in the dark had just come from a prayer meeting. Your assessment of risk would be based on what country you were in, what region of that country, whether you were an inhabitant of that country/region or a foreign traveller, and your knowledge of the history and crime rates of that country, region or city (assuming you knew the name of the 'strange city' and had travelled there willingly rather than being dropped into a totally unknown city by a UFO.)
I'm a Bi man who loves dressing in bright pink dungarees, so, so much less safe. That's just a hate crime waiting to happen.
BI, born idiot?? You bigot
...... and if they shout Ola ho Uber......