Something I did appreciate in this game, the Symbiote isn’t making Peter angry. Peter’s frustration is his own (and it’s justified, Kraven just popped outta nowhere and ruined everything), and the suit is helping him act on that frustration. And that, in turn, is corrupting it too. It sorta harkens to the original black suit, ya know?
If you pay close attention to dialogue you’ll notice harry “talking to his mother” while in treatment. It was the symbiote. I don’t have it all here but I can tell you Peter did not make the symbiote evil in this storyline as much as I actually like that idea. It was already planning on taking over the world, it just forgot what it’s purpose was UNTIL you touch the meteorite again and it remembers it coming down here, that it has a purpose, combine that with eventually getting on harry and it uses the fact it spoke to him in his mothers voice to manipulate him into finalizing its plan and “healing the world”. In comics venom was never inherently evil, it was mad at spiderman for rejecting it. Eventually being good. In this story venom is inherently evil, and it’s host isnt. So, it has to manipulate harry into thinking he’s doing the world a favor. He never even came to terms with the fact he’d ever fight Peter, by the time you’re at the final fight and he shows his face he’s confused and scared. Also, upset that the suit has taken control of his body completely, trying to destroy Peter and miles. Basically what I’m trying to explain is the symbiote is evil from the beginning, it just doesn’t remember exactly what it needs to do until after the second lizard encounter
I like how the symbiote is portrayed on Peter. He couldn’t take control of his emotions and was struggling against the symbiote from a physical standpoint and a mental standpoint. More and more he began to fight like a mindless berserker. When the story got to the Miles fight he was so manipulated he literally wasn’t even Peter anymore! But he’s such a badass with the suit on and Yuri put up a 10/10 performance!!!
Lets not forget that also the symbiote is easily controlled by the host emotions for example Carnage emotions changed the color of the symbiote to red.
@@CrazyAlfYThopefully they will add it in the next update because a lot of people are alr upset at that and reasonably so cuz it is so off putting with the white goop
The symbiote isn't good or evil. When Peter was dying the symbiote chose him to save him. But at the same time, was unstable and turned Harry against him and his friends.
@@sh-tx1fdI'd argue it's smarter than an avg animal. much smarter. it knew emotions and manipulated them in its hosts. so it was willingly taking over the planet
Prior to this the symbiote attempted to latch on to Peter before he even got hurt. Most likely sensing he’s stronger than the average human and wanting a stronger host
Evil is a point of view. And from my point of view, forcibly taking control of other people's body and mind, making them aggressive to the point of being feral, covering the entire city in black goo, all that serms pretty evil.
@@rlacksgh9673In the first hour of the game, Miles himself tells us that Peter was angry and frustrated, just because he holds back all the time does not mean that he is a being of pure goodness who would never react in an aggressive way
@@rlacksgh9673 To play a little bit of devils advocate for my favorite villain/anti-hero in Marvel, Venom/Peter was getting aggressive, but they didn't start acting villainous until they touched the meteor and Connors mentioned destroying the symbiote, I feel like that was the straw that really sent it into overdrive as far as Peter/Venom's distrust and hostility to anyone that wasn't them.
@@rlacksgh9673that's not really "evil" though. All that is, is a biological creature following it's natural instinct. Just like we humans eating from the planet itself (plants, animals) it might be considered evil but we are following are instincts at the end of the day.
This wasn’t me wearing the suit, it was the suit wearing my body. It’s some kind of symbiote. “Still, what do we care. Sinister six goes down hard and Parker gets paid for the pics.” Spectacular Spider-Man
Interestingly, Harry seems to be fine when he initially wore the suit. No mood swings or negative emotions until it bonded with Peter, and got way more aggressive when Peter touched the meteorite and Dr Connors said they need to destroy the symbiote. I'm wondering if Harry still would've become evil if neither of those situations occurred.
Anyone else notice how the suit becomes more feral looking the longer he has it on? When Pete initially gets it, it looks like a regular suit, but near the end its more veiny, and organic looking.
@@OverLorD768To be fair even in horror games it's kind of absurd how obnoxiously slow people are. I can at least forgive Isaac since he's wearing a metal bulky suit.
I agree. That was kind of ok, too. Though in that universe, "the suit" as it was called, is actually more of a vampiric organism, that could physically eat its host.
@LethalProtector8000 Yeah that was weird I mean the suit as it was called like you said was made to sure cancer. So like here in the game was gonna cure Harry if his disease I did like that Idea the symbiote being a cure for diseases but felt like it being man made was a bit out of place. We know symbiotes can heal there host if injured so why not from illnesses too felt in the Ultimate universe it could have been an alien still but then Peter and Eddie's find out that it doesn't just heal you but try to take over it's host while doing so
@shadowspidey7327 Don't forget its funding also came from a company wanting to weaponize it. Which is probably where the enhanced strength comes from. The scientists also died as well. With the proper funding, scientists, and development, it would have been a medical marvel.
@@TheShape45or a Spider’s Shadow storyline, with him rampaging through the city killing villains left and right ending with the tragic death of Miles or MJ at the hands of Peter
I mean, the main game pretty much says what would have happened. Peter would have taken on Venom’s monstrous form, and the symbiote would have used him to spread itself all over the world. It simply would have used his guilt complex rather than Harry’s messiah complex, but the result would have been the same.
Let’s be honest, Mary Jane is the reason things fell apart with regards to Venom and… well everyone. Look at things from Venom’s perspective, it’s busy protecting it’s host, who’s exhausted and asleep, all of a sudden they’re being attacked by Miles who previously Venom assumed was it’s host’s friend and by proxy, it’s. So, trust is shaky now, Venom is starting to panic because it and Peter are now seemingly trapped, hence why Venom seemed at first more concerned with getting out of the tunnel then dealing with Mary Jane. Then, again from Venom’s perspective, MJ uses sound to start hurting them, so again its trust is breaking until MJ stops the drill thing from making that sound. Now at this point Venom is confused but is willing to to give MJ a chance, hence why the mask retracted, Venom assumed she actually was trying to help out and since Peter trusted her, it should too. Then Mary Jane used her taser and any trust fit held for her, little as it was, shattered and it once again went into full on survival/protection mode regardless of why she did it. What everyone did wrong when it came to Venom was assume it wasn’t intelligent enough to understand what was going on, hence why it became so vindictive and lashed out later on against everyone, it was, from its perspective, simply responding in kind to how it’s been treated.
FINALLY someone who understands how the symbiote works, sometimes it overwhelms me that everyone thinks that the symbiote is a being of pure evil, when in fact the situations that it lived and the people with whom it was related were what shaped his personality, literally the first thing the symbiote does when it sees that Peter is hurt is to protect him and heal him because it knows how much Harry loves Peter, but when he saw how bad Peter was (both physically and psychologically) he decided to stay with him to try to cure him, Peter feeling more free took out all his frustration and anger that he has been holding for years, which negatively influenced the symbiote making it aggressive.
Counterpoints. The Symbiote immediately tries bonding itself to Peter the moment it and Harry realize Peter is Spiderman. This clearly indicates that it's primary concern wasn't to "protect it's host" because it bonding to Peter would mean dooming Harry, it's current host. Later events clearly imply that the main reason it wanted to bond to Peter was because Peter's unique biology empowered it and allowed it to spread all over the city. The fact that it was able to influence Harry's dreams and masquerade itself as his mother to stoke his desire to "heal the world" also suggests an intelliigence with motives beyond "just protect host". So from the very beginning, we can infer that the Symbiote always intended to infect multiple hosts and spread over the Earth. You can argue that Harry influenced the Symbiote and not the other way around, but the last chapters of the game clearly establish that Harry is out of the driver's seat; he immediately realizes that what he's doing is wrong the moment the Symbiote loses it's influence over him. The Symbiote Invasion is clearly an idea the Symbiote had, not Harry. I don't think the Symbiote is pure evil but it's not this misunderstood entity that isn't malevolent or dangerous of treated kindly. It's a sentient virus. It's primary goal is to ensure it's survival. And the logical conclusion to ensure it's survival would be to obtain multiple hosts. It's as simple as that.
@@Birthday888 I haven't followed along with the whole "Knull" thing since that's a fairly recent inclusion I think, but it kinda goes back and forth on it depending on the universe it's in but the general canon is that the symbiote is benevolent and takes on the subconscious and conscious traits of whatever host it's attached to, both to keep it's host healthy and happy while reaching it's end-goal of complete synchronization, as for this universe specifically I feel like there's enough ambiguity regarding it's intentions and influences that lands Venom squarely in the center of interpretation. To me Venom/Peter was mostly fine until Venom reconnected with the meteorite/Knull hivemind and Connors mentioned removing it from Peter and destroying the symbiote, that put Venom in survival mode in my opinion, that and being exposed to Kraven's "hunting ground".
@@bubbajoe117 This still doesn't explain why the Symbiote attempted to bond with Peter immediately despite having Harry as it's current host if it's goal is only "complete synchonization". I don't think you can classify the Symbiote as "benevolent" at all due to those actions, though I can agree that it isn't necessarily (actively) malevolent. At least until it reconnects back with the hivemind. Like, turning MJ into Scream and then making her fight Pete was 100% just the Symbiote being petty towards Peter.
A beautiful game and story. For some reason I've been seeing people upset about what the game doesn't have instead of what the game does have. I appreciate it for what it is. 10/10 for me.
the problem was that peter held back when fighting thats why and if he went all out he would have killed Kraven. Tbh the poison was even stronger than the one scorpion had since kraven must have created a poison that peter hasnt made the antidote for@@oldschoolanime3398.
Im sorry but am i the only one who thinks there should have been way more evil spiderman??? like these clips were the best part of the game and yet its so short lived..
True, i wanted to see him make lethal attempts on villians lives and have miles be like 'dude, what the hell are you doing?!' maybe have police shooting at him, or better yet scenes like the black symbiote vs shocker meme. like very nearly cross the line of being a villian. this version was a bit PG
@@ggmasterguiltygear6315 While a bit more of Symbiote Spider-Man would have been better, it was mostly to introduce and foreshadow Venom, and how its influence over the more unhinged and resentful Harry Osborne would lead to chaos.
Symbiote increases aggression etc in correlation to the personality, trauma and goals of its host in this universe.Hence why Harry wanted to "heal" the world by making everyone a symbiote since it was bonded to him with the sole purpose of healing his cancer and deep down Peter wanted to be a better spiderman by any means necessary which was amplified by the symbiote to the point peter lost control.Basically removes any consideration for restraint and impulse control.If symbiote was outright evil and wanted to take over the world it would've just took the meteorite when Peter visited Dr Conners to find out what it was.
Even if Bats began killing, he's still only human. Take away the prep time and the planning, put the entire league and Bat Family against him, and he will eventually fall or be forced to stop. Peter, on the other hand, actively choosing to use all his strength leads to Scorpion getting his jaw punched off(Yes, I know this was Otto, but it's still Peter's body). Not to mention all his other abilities that unless you manage to completely blindside him through Spider-Sense, he will overcome it. Batman will be quick and efficient about killing you. A bloodlusted Peter suit or no suit will make you beg for life. Just ask Kingpin.
And this was peak asshole Peter he could have literally bitch smacked her for talking to him that way it shows just how powerful a mother can be when it comes to her baby
The way Symbiote Spider-Man was portrayed in here is WAY better than how he was in Spider-Man 3. No dumb dance, no stupid stunt at a jazz club, and no Gwen Stacy in the way!
Sinister six ain't shit compared to Kraven. Peter taking the brunt of a few walls doesn't mean he'll survive a direct stab wound by Kraven who has been implied to be abnormal in strength.
27:55 “WHERE IS SPIDERMAN!” -Random moronic hunter “Find him yours.. UGHHH” (sound of bones cracking) 😂 Brutal and hilarious Don’t f with Black Suit Spidey
Honestly, the ONLY gripe I have with this game is that Peter’s part in the story is significantly better than Miles’… at least from a writing perspective that is. Better drama, impact, tension, relationships, and so many epic moments (also, the best act of the game was the span between when Peter has symbiote to when he gets rid of it). Miles is a great character but every time I play as him I just want to switch back to Peter in order to advance Peter’s side of the story :/
I think his time will come because he is a Young Spiderman. I really liked that he was just an addition in this Game because its Peters story he should be the side Kick
Ofc. At the end of the day a "Spider Man" story is going to be Peter's story unless specifically stated (eg the Miles Morales game), because he is THE spiderman. Its like the Avengers films for example, despite all of them being there, it was very centred on Iron Man, because he is THE avenger, or Justice League with Superman.
I'm not gonna lie, I don't care for miles. I'm a Spider-Man fan, and to me that means PETER PARKER. Calling Miles Morales 'Spider-Man' is like calling Dick Grayson 'Batman' just because he puts on the costume a few times in the comics, yet no one does that for batman, so why does Peter always have to share the limelight in modern Spider-Man media? After all the constant shit Peter is been through, now he cant even be the sole Spider-Man? To me, Miles is a giant distraction from the main event, and it shows in the writing of this game, which is clearly focused ENTIRELY on Peter. Even Miles's game felt more like a DLC than a proper Spider-Man game. Don't get me wrong, Miles is a good character, but to me he will never be Spider-Man, no matter how hard Sony and Insomniac push him to be accepted.
Honestly the hunters are indeed a challenge to be hold, and overtime they actually get on my nerves. But seeing a single hunter in this clip as Peter is shouting at them, with fear in both expression and in there breathing is making all the more satisfying how much they make i wanted that and more. 🥰
I love the line: "WHERE IS SPIDER-MAN?!?" Nice job writers, very clever double entendre there. Also also, love how the music sounds similar to Danny Elfman's black suit theme in the fights, the trumpets going crazy.
>Peter is treated like shit >gets the ability to match the energy the world has given him >people say that’s shitty >takes the suit off >is shit on for acting shitty Black Suit supremacy
I wish the developers would've just made the Symbiote Spider-Man saga go on for just a little bit longer. Like, I really wish that Black Cat was a part of Peter's story in the Symbiote saga instead of basically being an Easter egg cameo for Miles. If Black Cat was a part of the Symbiote Spider-Man saga, she could've been a true foil for Mary Jane as Peter would've been able to adhere to Felica's more care-free morally ambiguous nature with the Symbiote greying all of Peter's actions and amplifying his aggression towards criminals. Since Cat would know this would eventually include herself, she could've been the one to suggest that Peter remove himself from the Symbiote's influences or something. It's not a perfect draft, and I know the developers were aiming for a certain time frame, but I do wish that saga went on for a bit longer.
I think the voice actor for black cats husband died of cancer while this game was being developed, and the fact that they managed to still include her in. Fun way is great.
ur thinking web of shadows this black cat isn't the same she acts different and would be horrified of this spidey in the suit especially if it was near the end when the suit fully takes over
Many people are saying Peter is weak in this game, he is not, there are couple of feats:- 1. Catching a debris while saving tombstone with Harry as agent venom. 2. Stopping roller coaster, single handled the track 💪 while holding the roller coaster with other hand until Harry came. ( Very good feat ). 3. Catching an armoured APC ( a crime during open gameplay) above his shoulder. 4. In Wraith side mission, he stopped the train momentum and got stucked, still he stopped it. But couldn't lift it off it because he was exhausted. ( Still one of the best feats ).
Wait who tf in their right mind think Peter is weak in this game? No way people actually think that. This is the strongest I’ve ever seen Peter in a long ass time.
people say Peter’s nerfed mainly because he doesn’t do everything by himself since Miles is around. So instead of going “Oh Miles is equal to Peter now” they go “Peter got nerfed to make Miles look better”
As much as we all love Bully Maguire for the memes, it was a huge failing of the movie that we spent so much time laughing at Peter's dark side. This game, like so many versions before it, has us uncomfortable and scared for Peter. He's horrible to his friends and utterly selfish, which I much prefer over...a jazz douche
No one gonna talk about or acknowledge the part about Peter sending MJ to voicemail and hearing the Symbiote telling him to kill Kraven? Either swinging or not swinging?
You got to love how the symbiote tendrils just pulled the covers on to Peter am I the only one who finds that comedically Charming and kind of cute in a way
Maturing is realizing Peter didn’t ruin his friendship with Harry & Miles or his relationship with MJ. It was the symboite & Kraven. Also if Aunt May were alive to see Peter like this she would be absolutely heartbroken but she probably could’ve fixed him too.
When fighting the lizard he said “NO WONDER YOUR FAMILY LEFT YOU” that was it for me he was gone by then
That and when he said how about you pop some more pills and say what you’re really feeling was coldddd
🤣🤣
Is No one talking how harry straight up gave kraven the beating he deserved?
I love this about Harry in this game
He was destroying the shit outta Kraven FR
@@itsascendingfrSPOILERS
Later in the game, Harry becomes Venom and kill Kraven.
@@ryanologistonym IK I already finished the game, Venom was OP
Harry 2-0 against Kraven
Something I did appreciate in this game, the Symbiote isn’t making Peter angry. Peter’s frustration is his own (and it’s justified, Kraven just popped outta nowhere and ruined everything), and the suit is helping him act on that frustration. And that, in turn, is corrupting it too. It sorta harkens to the original black suit, ya know?
the original black suit didn't have any of this Peter was just racist
@@qudsiamahmood9187”racist”😂😂😂 wtf
That's not it. The symbiote amplifies the bloodlust and anger and frustration of the host the longer it's on
We meet again. Based comment, I loved how they portrayed the symbiote and how it affects Pete!
If you pay close attention to dialogue you’ll notice harry “talking to his mother” while in treatment. It was the symbiote. I don’t have it all here but I can tell you Peter did not make the symbiote evil in this storyline as much as I actually like that idea. It was already planning on taking over the world, it just forgot what it’s purpose was UNTIL you touch the meteorite again and it remembers it coming down here, that it has a purpose, combine that with eventually getting on harry and it uses the fact it spoke to him in his mothers voice to manipulate him into finalizing its plan and “healing the world”. In comics venom was never inherently evil, it was mad at spiderman for rejecting it. Eventually being good. In this story venom is inherently evil, and it’s host isnt. So, it has to manipulate harry into thinking he’s doing the world a favor. He never even came to terms with the fact he’d ever fight Peter, by the time you’re at the final fight and he shows his face he’s confused and scared. Also, upset that the suit has taken control of his body completely, trying to destroy Peter and miles. Basically what I’m trying to explain is the symbiote is evil from the beginning, it just doesn’t remember exactly what it needs to do until after the second lizard encounter
I like how the symbiote is portrayed on Peter. He couldn’t take control of his emotions and was struggling against the symbiote from a physical standpoint and a mental standpoint. More and more he began to fight like a mindless berserker. When the story got to the Miles fight he was so manipulated he literally wasn’t even Peter anymore! But he’s such a badass with the suit on and Yuri put up a 10/10 performance!!!
Lets not forget that also the symbiote is easily controlled by the host emotions for example Carnage emotions changed the color of the symbiote to red.
carnage is red because it attached to cletus's bleeding hand in the comics
Yuri is channeling his inner Sasuke energy mixed with Bully Maguire.
@@momokosakurada605yeah this some straight cap
@@googoogagapeepeepoopoo1783the carnage part of the emotions being controlled by the host part
“What’s the big deal, Miles? Your people use that word all the time”
absolutely vile
Lmfao
Timestamp LMAO
Bro had the lotus suit skin on 💀
Miles going "MY PEOPLE?!"
The fucking shock I felt when Peter said “destroy…us?”
Same here, man.
I just whispered “Oh… oh no.”
That literally gave me chills down spine. 😭
That's Not Sound Like The Peter Parker We All Know
@sombro56 I completely agree. It's kind of the turning point, I think
I'm sorry but the "MJ... RUN" and the way MJ's eyes just dilates in fear has to be one of the coldest moments in the game!
Yuri should get an award for the work at 30:50. Trying to imagine him in the booth losing his shit
I can only think of Oliver Swanick
I hear Marth screaming XD
@@user-dnf83n0s8sg9uwho won the lottery?
When he said "MJ. RUN." I FELT THAT
It gave me chills all around 😖😖
Zoom from the flash had the same voice.Is the same voice actor for venom and zoom?
@@Chanunaitor01yes
Yes oooh
21:44 bro went from “hey buddy!”😊 to “how about you pop some more pills and say what you’re really feeling😡😡😡😡” in a matter of seconds
Dude, it was awful. I literally could not believe it.
Peter’s influence with the Symbiote in this game is now known as Bully Lowenthal
So glad this was available in cosmetic form after the story. Easily best black suit in Spider-Man history.
I just wish u could have the moves be black with the suit option instead of white
@@onlyson2003 same, it's so distracting
@@CrazyAlfYThopefully they will add it in the next update because a lot of people are alr upset at that and reasonably so cuz it is so off putting with the white goop
Nah the OG Black Suit will always be more iconic.
cmon its all about the anti venom suit.
14:00 as soon as Spider-Man says this I’m walking away lol
I’m legit just turning around and going home
35:55 was such a great moment. "Always in the way"
Spidey: No wonder your family left you!
Lizard: Why are you being so mean to me 😢
29:04 The way he roars is also terrifying.
The symbiote isn't good or evil. When Peter was dying the symbiote chose him to save him. But at the same time, was unstable and turned Harry against him and his friends.
Nah, I’d say turning the entire city into little versions of you to take over the planet is a little bit evil. . .
@@oidunn4 It may talk and all, but a symbiote comically is no more than an animal. Doing what its instinct tells it to
@@sh-tx1fdI'd argue it's smarter than an avg animal. much smarter. it knew emotions and manipulated them in its hosts. so it was willingly taking over the planet
Prior to this the symbiote attempted to latch on to Peter before he even got hurt. Most likely sensing he’s stronger than the average human and wanting a stronger host
@@om5621 as per its instinct to take over the world to expand knulls kingdom
Technically the black suit doesn't make him evil.
It just lets out all his frustrations.
Evil is a point of view.
And from my point of view, forcibly taking control of other people's body and mind, making them aggressive to the point of being feral, covering the entire city in black goo, all that serms pretty evil.
@@rlacksgh9673In the first hour of the game, Miles himself tells us that Peter was angry and frustrated, just because he holds back all the time does not mean that he is a being of pure goodness who would never react in an aggressive way
@@rlacksgh9673 To play a little bit of devils advocate for my favorite villain/anti-hero in Marvel, Venom/Peter was getting aggressive, but they didn't start acting villainous until they touched the meteor and Connors mentioned destroying the symbiote, I feel like that was the straw that really sent it into overdrive as far as Peter/Venom's distrust and hostility to anyone that wasn't them.
Everybody is 'evil', but some people is openly evil, while others is just in thoughts...this is human nature, there's no pure good and evil.
@@rlacksgh9673that's not really "evil" though. All that is, is a biological creature following it's natural instinct. Just like we humans eating from the planet itself (plants, animals) it might be considered evil but we are following are instincts at the end of the day.
Am I wearing the suit? Or was it wearing me? Only legends know where that line fits in this game
Spectacular Spider-Man, when Peter slept through the entire Sinister Six fight
This wasn’t me wearing the suit, it was the suit wearing my body. It’s some kind of symbiote.
“Still, what do we care. Sinister six goes down hard and Parker gets paid for the pics.”
Spectacular Spider-Man
@EpicTastyPapple "Still, what do we care? The Six were put down hard, Parker gets paid for the photos what else matters?"
Kill la kill dilemma
@@spider-man500”Pete, where have you been? Your aunt-“
27:50 was the best badass symbiote scene moment tbh if anyone else agrees 👀💯
The Symbiote has existed since the beginning of time.. with one goal above all else. Survival.
That surely sounds like ME
@@austinamponsah1297 cringe
"You're just what Kraven has been searching for!"
*"THEN I FEEL SORRY FOR HIM."*
Kraven: Harder
Me: 🤨📸
YOOO FRRRR ARE WE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT😂😂
35:13
HAHAHAH IKRRR
THAT WAS SOO SUS
Interestingly, Harry seems to be fine when he initially wore the suit. No mood swings or negative emotions until it bonded with Peter, and got way more aggressive when Peter touched the meteorite and Dr Connors said they need to destroy the symbiote.
I'm wondering if Harry still would've become evil if neither of those situations occurred.
Tbf it did make Harry a little be more aggressive when he dog walked kraven after he stabbed Peter
@@GodofHatredeveryone would wanna tear apart the person who mortally wounded their best friend
@@Bigfobbies Obviously but it certainly amplified his anger quite a bit
@@GodofHatredwhat about before?
He hit a pedestrian during our bike ride on my play through. It was too late for him
27:55
Peter: "WHERE IS SPIDER-MAN!?"
Hunter: "Find him yourse-" *Gets clobbered*
Hearing Venom say "KILL" really added to the whole scene
When he said "Destroy us?", it sent chills down my spine.
“Oh, this feels GOOD!!!”
Us fans playing as him: It sure does pete….it sure does. 😈
Anyone else notice how the suit becomes more feral looking the longer he has it on? When Pete initially gets it, it looks like a regular suit, but near the end its more veiny, and organic looking.
When MJ has better squeezing through objects scenes, can crouch better and runs faster than the guy in Callisto protocol
@@OverLorD768 true
Oh, you mean the Great Value Dead Space? Everyone's forgotten about that one by now.
@@OverLorD768To be fair even in horror games it's kind of absurd how obnoxiously slow people are. I can at least forgive Isaac since he's wearing a metal bulky suit.
@@RetroCubetrue
What dafuq do you mean by that dude? Put some respect on Isaac Clarke name.
I'm glad Venom is still an alien and not man made like in the ultimate universe though that was pretty good too a new way to introduce him differently
I agree. That was kind of ok, too. Though in that universe, "the suit" as it was called, is actually more of a vampiric organism, that could physically eat its host.
@LethalProtector8000 Yeah that was weird I mean the suit as it was called like you said was made to sure cancer. So like here in the game was gonna cure Harry if his disease I did like that Idea the symbiote being a cure for diseases but felt like it being man made was a bit out of place. We know symbiotes can heal there host if injured so why not from illnesses too felt in the Ultimate universe it could have been an alien still but then Peter and Eddie's find out that it doesn't just heal you but try to take over it's host while doing so
@@shadowspidey7327It was also unfinished as well.
@@thetraveler2224 Uh huh needed more time
@shadowspidey7327 Don't forget its funding also came from a company wanting to weaponize it. Which is probably where the enhanced strength comes from. The scientists also died as well. With the proper funding, scientists, and development, it would have been a medical marvel.
Now I want a What-if dlc where miles failed to separate Peter venom and now, Peter and venom are one.
Poison from that one what if comic being adapted would be fire
@@TheShape45 Yeah! I hope they execute it differently though. The comic was weird 😅
@@TheShape45or a Spider’s Shadow storyline, with him rampaging through the city killing villains left and right ending with the tragic death of Miles or MJ at the hands of Peter
I mean, the main game pretty much says what would have happened. Peter would have taken on Venom’s monstrous form, and the symbiote would have used him to spread itself all over the world. It simply would have used his guilt complex rather than Harry’s messiah complex, but the result would have been the same.
A cool what if scenario would be Miles getting the suit
37:53 I love how characters in the suit break down in desperation
27:23 love this scene
Let’s be honest, Mary Jane is the reason things fell apart with regards to Venom and… well everyone.
Look at things from Venom’s perspective, it’s busy protecting it’s host, who’s exhausted and asleep, all of a sudden they’re being attacked by Miles who previously Venom assumed was it’s host’s friend and by proxy, it’s. So, trust is shaky now, Venom is starting to panic because it and Peter are now seemingly trapped, hence why Venom seemed at first more concerned with getting out of the tunnel then dealing with Mary Jane. Then, again from Venom’s perspective, MJ uses sound to start hurting them, so again its trust is breaking until MJ stops the drill thing from making that sound. Now at this point Venom is confused but is willing to to give MJ a chance, hence why the mask retracted, Venom assumed she actually was trying to help out and since Peter trusted her, it should too.
Then Mary Jane used her taser and any trust fit held for her, little as it was, shattered and it once again went into full on survival/protection mode regardless of why she did it.
What everyone did wrong when it came to Venom was assume it wasn’t intelligent enough to understand what was going on, hence why it became so vindictive and lashed out later on against everyone, it was, from its perspective, simply responding in kind to how it’s been treated.
You truly are venom's advocate 🤌👍
FINALLY someone who understands how the symbiote works, sometimes it overwhelms me that everyone thinks that the symbiote is a being of pure evil, when in fact the situations that it lived and the people with whom it was related were what shaped his personality, literally the first thing the symbiote does when it sees that Peter is hurt is to protect him and heal him because it knows how much Harry loves Peter, but when he saw how bad Peter was (both physically and psychologically) he decided to stay with him to try to cure him, Peter feeling more free took out all his frustration and anger that he has been holding for years, which negatively influenced the symbiote making it aggressive.
Counterpoints. The Symbiote immediately tries bonding itself to Peter the moment it and Harry realize Peter is Spiderman. This clearly indicates that it's primary concern wasn't to "protect it's host" because it bonding to Peter would mean dooming Harry, it's current host.
Later events clearly imply that the main reason it wanted to bond to Peter was because Peter's unique biology empowered it and allowed it to spread all over the city. The fact that it was able to influence Harry's dreams and masquerade itself as his mother to stoke his desire to "heal the world" also suggests an intelliigence with motives beyond "just protect host". So from the very beginning, we can infer that the Symbiote always intended to infect multiple hosts and spread over the Earth.
You can argue that Harry influenced the Symbiote and not the other way around, but the last chapters of the game clearly establish that Harry is out of the driver's seat; he immediately realizes that what he's doing is wrong the moment the Symbiote loses it's influence over him. The Symbiote Invasion is clearly an idea the Symbiote had, not Harry.
I don't think the Symbiote is pure evil but it's not this misunderstood entity that isn't malevolent or dangerous of treated kindly. It's a sentient virus. It's primary goal is to ensure it's survival. And the logical conclusion to ensure it's survival would be to obtain multiple hosts. It's as simple as that.
@@Birthday888 I haven't followed along with the whole "Knull" thing since that's a fairly recent inclusion I think, but it kinda goes back and forth on it depending on the universe it's in but the general canon is that the symbiote is benevolent and takes on the subconscious and conscious traits of whatever host it's attached to, both to keep it's host healthy and happy while reaching it's end-goal of complete synchronization, as for this universe specifically I feel like there's enough ambiguity regarding it's intentions and influences that lands Venom squarely in the center of interpretation.
To me Venom/Peter was mostly fine until Venom reconnected with the meteorite/Knull hivemind and Connors mentioned removing it from Peter and destroying the symbiote, that put Venom in survival mode in my opinion, that and being exposed to Kraven's "hunting ground".
@@bubbajoe117 This still doesn't explain why the Symbiote attempted to bond with Peter immediately despite having Harry as it's current host if it's goal is only "complete synchonization".
I don't think you can classify the Symbiote as "benevolent" at all due to those actions, though I can agree that it isn't necessarily (actively) malevolent. At least until it reconnects back with the hivemind.
Like, turning MJ into Scream and then making her fight Pete was 100% just the Symbiote being petty towards Peter.
I wish we got Peter wearing the black suit more in the game
Symbiote*
hes wearing it for like a 3rd of the game
I'm glad we didn't because it mentally hurt me seeing Peter act like a asshole
@@Diablo3364 then you shouldn’t be playing the game or like Spider-Man we all knew what the Symbiote does it alters your personality and mind
@@andrelong1410 I liked the game and enjoyed the symbiote sections it just hurt me to see peter insult the lizard the way he did.
A beautiful game and story. For some reason I've been seeing people upset about what the game doesn't have instead of what the game does have. I appreciate it for what it is. 10/10 for me.
they nerfed Peter so much in this game, he was far stronger in tje first game
@@theamazingspooderman2697how? Dude got stabbed with a poisonous knife.
@@oldschoolanime3398yeah, spiderman is really strong, but he isn't invincible
@@theamazingspooderman2697nah kravens that strong
the problem was that peter held back when fighting thats why and if he went all out he would have killed Kraven. Tbh the poison was even stronger than the one scorpion had since kraven must have created a poison that peter hasnt made the antidote for@@oldschoolanime3398.
25:05 You're a fraud Spider-Man
Nice TASM2 reference😂
The suit after the fight with lizard loooks so badass
Im sorry but am i the only one who thinks there should have been way more evil spiderman??? like these clips were the best part of the game and yet its so short lived..
True, i wanted to see him make lethal attempts on villians lives and have miles be like 'dude, what the hell are you doing?!'
maybe have police shooting at him, or better yet scenes like the black symbiote vs shocker meme. like very nearly cross the line of being a villian. this version was a bit PG
@@ggmasterguiltygear6315 While a bit more of Symbiote Spider-Man would have been better, it was mostly to introduce and foreshadow Venom, and how its influence over the more unhinged and resentful Harry Osborne would lead to chaos.
Symbiote increases aggression etc in correlation to the personality, trauma and goals of its host in this universe.Hence why Harry wanted to "heal" the world by making everyone a symbiote since it was bonded to him with the sole purpose of healing his cancer and deep down Peter wanted to be a better spiderman by any means necessary which was amplified by the symbiote to the point peter lost control.Basically removes any consideration for restraint and impulse control.If symbiote was outright evil and wanted to take over the world it would've just took the meteorite when Peter visited Dr Conners to find out what it was.
@@ggmasterguiltygear6315 AMEN BROTHER now we gotta go to the fanfiction writers and get this shit knocked out fr
Dude seriously I thought I was only one that felt like we didn’t get enough of black suited Spider-Man
10:43
Peter: "TIME FOR YOUR MEDICINE." Like Venom was saying that fr
The tendrils make him look like slender man if only there was a faceless white spider suit lol
Loool
This should settle the debate of who is scarier between a Batman that kills and a spider man that kills
Spidey is scarier. He would pull out a parking meter off the ground with one hand and beat you with it
Spider-Man.
Evidence:
29:00
Batman. He already is the greatest fear of almsot every criminal in gotham. Him as a killer would be unstoppable
Even if Bats began killing, he's still only human.
Take away the prep time and the planning, put the entire league and Bat Family against him, and he will eventually fall or be forced to stop.
Peter, on the other hand, actively choosing to use all his strength leads to Scorpion getting his jaw punched off(Yes, I know this was Otto, but it's still Peter's body). Not to mention all his other abilities that unless you manage to completely blindside him through Spider-Sense, he will overcome it.
Batman will be quick and efficient about killing you.
A bloodlusted Peter suit or no suit will make you beg for life. Just ask Kingpin.
didnt know insomniac would successfully make spiderman into a horror game
26:12 Rio was about to smack the symbiote outta Peter for talking back 😂
And this was peak asshole Peter he could have literally bitch smacked her for talking to him that way it shows just how powerful a mother can be when it comes to her baby
*scold him in spanish so loudly the symbiote fucking cries and slithers away*
That's why he didn't stay quiet he was low-key like "ohh shiii"
13:25 Symbiote Spider-Man: I’m wearing an ALIEN?
harry was destroying kraven 💀
Yeah and kraven laughed like he was just having fun lmao
@@masdandaniel8509i mean Kraven did wanna die
The way Symbiote Spider-Man was portrayed in here is WAY better than how he was in Spider-Man 3. No dumb dance, no stupid stunt at a jazz club, and no Gwen Stacy in the way!
breaks 14 bones in Spider-Man 1 and still beats the sinister six.
"dies" to a single stab wound in Spider-Man 2.
seems legit
Sinister six ain't shit compared to Kraven.
Peter taking the brunt of a few walls doesn't mean he'll survive a direct stab wound by Kraven who has been implied to be abnormal in strength.
@@lordraiden7397especially near the abdomen/heart area
Kraven is a highly skilled hunter. The best. I think he would know how to stab someone.
Also the knife was likely covered in scorpions venom.
@@WatchOutForSpidersMan true
Wasn’t the first time he almost died from a blade wound
14:00 That gave me chills
Goddamn, Conors' look was exactly mirroring my feelings there
39:17 okay that was funny lmfao
Yea out of ALL the things Miles could say he complains about not being called
Pretty valid if you ask me, bro sidelined miles for harry like miles didn't have his back for the last 3 years @@sideways_chip_eater6420
27:17 Symbiote Spider-Man: No… you’ve done enough😡
27:55
“WHERE IS SPIDERMAN!”
-Random moronic hunter
“Find him yours.. UGHHH”
(sound of bones cracking) 😂
Brutal and hilarious Don’t f with
Black Suit Spidey
This game has a vibe of web of shadows. My one of the favourite game
i wished peter would keep the black suit a bit longer. Hate it every time when he looses it.
At least he has anti venom
“I’m gonna put some dirt in your eye.”
Honestly, the ONLY gripe I have with this game is that Peter’s part in the story is significantly better than Miles’… at least from a writing perspective that is. Better drama, impact, tension, relationships, and so many epic moments (also, the best act of the game was the span between when Peter has symbiote to when he gets rid of it). Miles is a great character but every time I play as him I just want to switch back to Peter in order to advance Peter’s side of the story :/
Same man I liked miles in this game but peters story was a million times more interesting
I think his time will come because he is a Young Spiderman. I really liked that he was just an addition in this Game because its Peters story he should be the side Kick
Ofc. At the end of the day a "Spider Man" story is going to be Peter's story unless specifically stated (eg the Miles Morales game), because he is THE spiderman. Its like the Avengers films for example, despite all of them being there, it was very centred on Iron Man, because he is THE avenger, or Justice League with Superman.
I'm not gonna lie, I don't care for miles. I'm a Spider-Man fan, and to me that means PETER PARKER. Calling Miles Morales 'Spider-Man' is like calling Dick Grayson 'Batman' just because he puts on the costume a few times in the comics, yet no one does that for batman, so why does Peter always have to share the limelight in modern Spider-Man media? After all the constant shit Peter is been through, now he cant even be the sole Spider-Man? To me, Miles is a giant distraction from the main event, and it shows in the writing of this game, which is clearly focused ENTIRELY on Peter. Even Miles's game felt more like a DLC than a proper Spider-Man game. Don't get me wrong, Miles is a good character, but to me he will never be Spider-Man, no matter how hard Sony and Insomniac push him to be accepted.
@@caligulamaximus6186 this is my thoughts exactly 💯
Symbioteman's gonna put some dirt in their eyes.
Honestly the hunters are indeed a challenge to be hold, and overtime they actually get on my nerves. But seeing a single hunter in this clip as Peter is shouting at them, with fear in both expression and in there breathing is making all the more satisfying how much they make i wanted that and more. 🥰
29:01 this one.
They are the only npcs that look up lol
I love the line: "WHERE IS SPIDER-MAN?!?"
Nice job writers, very clever double entendre there.
Also also, love how the music sounds similar to Danny Elfman's black suit theme in the fights, the trumpets going crazy.
We finally found his weakness, it really was small knives.
15:21 UGH this makes me wish it was the Tom Hardy Venom. Like that was weridly sweet slime boi😅😂
The one specific voice line of his where he says, "Kravens going to wisht hst he never came to New York!" Gives me chills.
Where did he say that?
@@Spider-Sonic_Prime idk it's a random line
4:12 Oh, this feels GOOD.
6:49 Venom has kinda storage ability, I knew it, it is amazing detsik they showed in game too
Martin Li is no longer a bad guy anymore and I really appreciate that he's a good guy.
Yeah, me too
I hate it. I loved him as a villain
Tobey selling his back being fixed after 17 years of discomfort
20:05 That part gave me chills. They portrayed the symbiote influence so well.
the part where Peter calls Miles the funny word was truly emotional, 10/10
The way peter removed the symbiote reminds me of bully maguire
I cannot believe how Peter is definitely evil.
>Peter is treated like shit
>gets the ability to match the energy the world has given him
>people say that’s shitty
>takes the suit off
>is shit on for acting shitty
Black Suit supremacy
Every video that I’ve seen from this game, poor Peter is just taking a beating
I wish the developers would've just made the Symbiote Spider-Man saga go on for just a little bit longer. Like, I really wish that Black Cat was a part of Peter's story in the Symbiote saga instead of basically being an Easter egg cameo for Miles. If Black Cat was a part of the Symbiote Spider-Man saga, she could've been a true foil for Mary Jane as Peter would've been able to adhere to Felica's more care-free morally ambiguous nature with the Symbiote greying all of Peter's actions and amplifying his aggression towards criminals. Since Cat would know this would eventually include herself, she could've been the one to suggest that Peter remove himself from the Symbiote's influences or something. It's not a perfect draft, and I know the developers were aiming for a certain time frame, but I do wish that saga went on for a bit longer.
I think the voice actor for black cats husband died of cancer while this game was being developed, and the fact that they managed to still include her in. Fun way is great.
I’m not sure that’s a good idea because it’s basically just web of shadows all over again
ur thinking web of shadows this black cat isn't the same she acts different and would be horrified of this spidey in the suit especially if it was near the end when the suit fully takes over
Many people are saying Peter is weak in this game, he is not, there are couple of feats:-
1. Catching a debris while saving tombstone with Harry as agent venom.
2. Stopping roller coaster, single handled the track 💪 while holding the roller coaster with other hand until Harry came. ( Very good feat ).
3. Catching an armoured APC ( a crime during open gameplay) above his shoulder.
4. In Wraith side mission, he stopped the train momentum and got stucked, still he stopped it.
But couldn't lift it off it because he was exhausted. ( Still one of the best feats ).
Wait who tf in their right mind think Peter is weak in this game? No way people actually think that. This is the strongest I’ve ever seen Peter in a long ass time.
Who said insomniac Peter was weak? This mf is literally the strongest version of Peter without God powers right behind 616 Peter
@@Nobleman23 ive seen some comments saying they "nerfed" peter in this game
Who is saying is saying Insomniac Peter is weak? He’s one the strongest Spider-men out there.
people say Peter’s nerfed mainly because he doesn’t do everything by himself since Miles is around. So instead of going “Oh Miles is equal to Peter now” they go “Peter got nerfed to make Miles look better”
29:04 Pure 👹
Spider-Man: *chokes Kraven*
Kraven: HARDER!
Me: 😳
“Damn Kraven i didn’t know you were freaky like that”
Symbiote spider-man: I’m the hero. I don’t get the saved!
is it just me or when peter had the symbiote, he looked so skinny without the suit
Black makes stuff looks thinner. White does the opposite.
Bully Lowenthal is now spreading across the internet. I love the internet!!
29:02 that “WHERE” had weight on it god damn
I can honestly say that Bully Lowenthal is better than Bully Maguire.
Wrong
That's debatable.
@@elpeluca7780 you spelled right wrong
As much as we all love Bully Maguire for the memes, it was a huge failing of the movie that we spent so much time laughing at Peter's dark side. This game, like so many versions before it, has us uncomfortable and scared for Peter. He's horrible to his friends and utterly selfish, which I much prefer over...a jazz douche
Keep dreaming
I also like how in the Miles Vs Peter bossfight if you turn invisible he says “we can still see you!”
Most people don't realize that the black suit makes spider-man more frightening.
Damn you're right no one realized that 😱😱😱
@@beegest_yoshi I KNOW RIGHT 😱😱😱.
Crazy take 🤯 never thought of that
@@GoStahhs tell me about it.
@@stephonephoenix
Spider-Man can be frightening if he wants to. Even without the black suit.
When he first gets the suit and goes crazy was so cool and fun to plsy
This game is so close to Arkham City levels of good and then once Peter takes the black suit off, the game tanks in quality tbh.
How does it tank after he loses the symbiote?
the plot armor mj had is crazy
No one gonna talk about or acknowledge the part about Peter sending MJ to voicemail and hearing the Symbiote telling him to kill Kraven? Either swinging or not swinging?
Spiderman Ps4: Peter easily moves around after being stabbed by Atto-Actavious
Spiderman 2 Ps5: Basically dies from a stab
2 different stabs
Spider-Man didn't chase shocker did he? Bummer.
Facts. Wasted and missed opportunity for a Shocker rematch. Instead they kill him off screen.
I find it genuinely creepy how when you go into the symbiote surge, you sometimes hear a "hi" as if the suit is talking to peter.
Why is everyone throwing hate, its fr the best spiderman
"I'm the hero here, not you"
I can't help but hear Reboot Vilgax from Ben 10 whenever Bully Yuri speaks through a filter.
I love how Peter goes on Batman rampage
not going to lie I think bully Maguire has some competition😂
"You think im the problem"
"no- NOOOOOO" those give me chills
props to the animators who did the blanket, really detailed and satisfying.
You got to love how the symbiote tendrils just pulled the covers on to Peter am I the only one who finds that comedically Charming and kind of cute in a way
Me beating ppl in the black suit: Oh, this feels good :)
Peter literally a second later: OH, THIS FEELS GOOD!!!!!😈
Maturing is realizing Peter didn’t ruin his friendship with Harry & Miles or his relationship with MJ. It was the symboite & Kraven. Also if Aunt May were alive to see Peter like this she would be absolutely heartbroken but she probably could’ve fixed him too.