I had exactly the same roof as that. The polycarb fractured with birds dropping stones etc on it. We had whole roof removed. Wall plate and then 6" rafters all the way across. Strand board down on top and an EDPM covering on top with black pvc trimmings. 4" of insulation inside leaving 2" air flow above. Plasterboard inside and its so quiet and warm. Cost about £4000 inc the plastering. 👍👍
Your guidance has a real value for people facing problems like these, it points them the right way and offers reasons and advice for fixes and it is free advice! :)
Worked in one of the big UK DIY sheds years ago and they had a display conservatory inside which had been there since the mid 1990's. The store sold about two a year so they were told to dismantle it and skip it. Management thought better and decided to sell it for £800, apparently in it's day it was £3k. They customer got it built and as predicted the joints leaked like a sieve. I think there was about three full boxes on joint seal sent out to fix it over the next few months to get it water tight, definitely several hundred pounds worth and he charged the labour to the store which they paid without letting head office know. Moral of the story is don't buy a display model conservatory.
My conservatory is 22 years old and given me good service. It started to leak through the flashing due do degradation. I looked at the options , 1) replace/repair flashing, 2) replace entire roof with new lightweight roofing system , 3) replace conservatory . 1) would be short term fix as the conservatory is ageing and they don’t have a great lifespan. 2) new lightweight roofing system seemed quite expensive as it was being put on top of a 22 year old conservatory 3) I decided to replace the conservatory with some additional brickwork (piers and lintels) new glazing all round, warm deck roof with EPDM and a roof lantern. This turned out to be the most cost effective as it was marginally more expensive than the lightweight roof system and every component was new. This should see me out 😂
Bought a house with the same type conservatory and yup it leaks... Was built by a known local dodgy builder as well so have just done a few cheap improvments to make it a bit better (flashband the gap,and fixed the felt where it was perished and met the polycarb roof). Also a ton of silicone is always worth a go! Long term will tear it down and put an extension on the back instead, so have built a mini tray in pvc edging to catch the few places where it does drip.
Ours was like this, we had it taken off and insulated tiled roof put on, cost 4k. 4x2 timbers. They had no idea about cold, warm roofs and mould so it's left me very worried.
We have an issue with a leaking chimney breast chimney in loft is wet after a cowboy roofer had his team made an absolute mess of what should have been a simple job. They installed a dry ridge system that they messed up and damaged leading around the chimney that can be seen from the roof window no other roofers will do a report for small claims as they don't want liability so can I go through the insurance as its been damaged by this cowboy team if not how can I sue the roofer bearing in mind no other roofers will touch it? We do have pictures of the poor ridge install where they didn't even put a Y tile on the hip just put some sealer that has also cracked. Don't know which way to turn
Hate to say it Roger, but what you said was absolutely bang on, feel sorry for the owner, cos it'll just annoy her for ages; not much else to do except have work done on it, but it'll cost 😞
We have this type, and we are having leaks now. We have a really bad leak at the front edge, it is really bad. It started after i fitted a curtain track, i did notice when i drilled to fit the track that water came out of some of the holes, so somehow rain had got inside that top frame beam, is this a common problem?
Our con roof was damaged in a storm ins sent a company called EVANDER round their report stated that the whole roof needed replacement as it was 20 years old but the soil stack needed go be charged to pvc and a new laminate floor needed replacing due to the old cadt soil stack falling on it and damaging it. The insurance covered the whole thing it must have cost £1000s how luckily were we.
Is it possible to rip the roof off and replace the beams with timber beams, say 4 by 2s, clad it with osb, then seal it all with some kind of waterproof material?
No doubt about it, that roof is at the end of its life, must be 15 plus years old. You could of course just get a quote to replace the roof like for like reusing the existing flashing at the back if its any good. A proper conservatory company would be able to under take that no probs if they are professionals. Agree though the pitch is rather shallow, able to collect dirt, crap and hold heavy snow which doesn't really help its cause. Better to get rain and snow running off roof as quickly as you can. If funds are available then pay a bit more and go for a higher pitch version, it'll see you out for another 20 years. You won't regret it.
I'm astonished at the opaque quality of the polycarbonate, I removed some from my parent's roof when the house was sold, it had been up for 30 years or so, after cleaning it was literally as new. Also this roof looks like no useful flashing and bendy sub standard rafters/roof bars. Today my own conservatory roof is leaking in heavy rain! Appears to be coming from roof bar seals, running down to horizontal extrusion then through bolt holes behind plastic interior trim. Info may be of use to someone!
Question. How does one seal the roof to the house wall. Should one use cavity trays with flashing? I see some people use the horrid stick on flashing but I dont see how that stops water flowing down the inner surface of the outer leaf of brickwork.
Farmtek has new twinwall and better frames that use screws. Its all 8 and 10 now, harder to even find the older 12 and 14 sheets. EBay does have 16 foot lengths of twinwall polycarbonate by 8. It would be so light weight the support under it would be more akin to mullions. I looked around for a greenhouse myself. There is also a flexible corrugated roll of twinwall poly that is much cheaper if you can adapt it. It is another Farmtek thing. They have big agriculture catalogs of greenhouse building parts to complete.
I can't believe how much this looks the one we inherited when we bought our 2nd home by the sea - and first thing I said is get rid. Weirdly, ours hardly leaks so it's death sentence is under reprieve, while we figure out what to replace it with. Meanwhile, think I'll stick some flashband across where it's meets the bungalow wall, to keep out any heavy rain (that spills over the side of the guttering just above it with the impossible to fix incorrect fall). Definitely not worth parting with hundreds over, let alone thousands.
How to repair a faulty join on Polycarbonate where it touches the wall if you can't walk on it without breaking it? Strangely no one talk about this common issue.
Yeah good advice, seems like these types of structures are only really viable for those with deep pockets, and they should be made with glass. Traditional roof is the answer for your average priced home
Just replace the glazing bars and the flashing at the wall; assuming it's there. But a roofer probably wouldn't do this because they're not prepared to guarantee it.
My neighbour gave me their old upvc conservatory, used all the windows between 4x4” timber columns warm roof with a couple of farko roof lights to replace the old conservatory in mum and dad’s old house, built with Crittel iron windows and wired glass roof. To be honest l don’t think it’s darker than the old conservatory. My current house Mum and Dads new house has a huge wrap round conservatory with brown aluminium conservatory and that’s got tinted polycarbonate roof panels with brown glazing bars, God only knows what dad was thinking, it’s about 20 years old and the panels need replacing it’s darker than the one l’ve just rebuilt.
The bad news is that whatever she does it will cost. There doesn't seem to be any form of satisfactory flashing at the head - probably just a silicone bead against the brickwork, which is less than satisfactory. Someone else has suggested that the polycarbonate be replaced with glass which I totally agree with. To my eyes, the polycarbonate isn't the only thing that has sagged - the glazing bars themselves look to have a substantial bend as well. I believe the roof should come off and be replaced with a proper system - suitable for the span, and glazed with glass. Suitably flashed to the wall. As I say however, that won't be cheap.
? what budget does she have to fix issue? as stated leaking at top edge so easy/cheapest fix is install a flashing. Seems everyone has condemned the conservatory regardless of what she can afford.
We use the ultraframe 380 roof system where I work which means you can have a hybrid mix of a tile and glass finish. It gives you the affect of a full traditional roof but with the light of a conservatory. We also offer finance packages like buy now pay later.
Hello Roger I value your advice I am thinking of having a solid roof fitted to my conservatory would you fit a aluminium construction like a superlite or a wooden structure like a icotherm roof system.many thanks Pete.
Never fails to amaze me how thick people are.. the picture clearly shows the structure is a total pile of shite and was no doubt knocked up by Mr Bodgit and Mr Scarper.. why dodge the obvious, please don’t waste ANY money trying to do anything with things like this.. pointless.. and it’s not just the structures roof.. it’s the doors, windows, glazing not to mention the nightmare that’s behind the tiles. Im a true professional and specialist in this field and would never take a customers hard earned to do anything with things like this apart from take it down before it falls down. Just accept it, I walk away from 5 times more than I work on as I’m not a thief.
Couldn't she simply Over-Lay with those Tile-Sheets you mentioned 'over' that existing MESS - Fix it securely to the original structure there and add some flasing along the back, up into the hanging tiles ?? .... I think that would be a cost-effective way to sort it :-)
i built a conservatory about i5ys ago last year we built a new light weight roof Conclusion if you want to throw money down the drain build a conservatory
I had exactly the same roof as that. The polycarb fractured with birds dropping stones etc on it. We had whole roof removed. Wall plate and then 6" rafters all the way across. Strand board down on top and an EDPM covering on top with black pvc trimmings. 4" of insulation inside leaving 2" air flow above. Plasterboard inside and its so quiet and warm. Cost about £4000 inc the plastering. 👍👍
She's probably better off starting from scratch and having a whole new conservatory with a glass roof. Also there's far less noise when it rains!
Probably way more then she can afford
Your guidance has a real value for people facing problems like these, it points them the right way and offers reasons and advice for fixes and it is free advice! :)
Worked in one of the big UK DIY sheds years ago and they had a display conservatory inside which had been there since the mid 1990's. The store sold about two a year so they were told to dismantle it and skip it. Management thought better and decided to sell it for £800, apparently in it's day it was £3k. They customer got it built and as predicted the joints leaked like a sieve. I think there was about three full boxes on joint seal sent out to fix it over the next few months to get it water tight, definitely several hundred pounds worth and he charged the labour to the store which they paid without letting head office know. Moral of the story is don't buy a display model conservatory.
My conservatory is 22 years old and given me good service. It started to leak through the flashing due do degradation. I looked at the options , 1) replace/repair flashing, 2) replace entire roof with new lightweight roofing system , 3) replace conservatory .
1) would be short term fix as the conservatory is ageing and they don’t have a great lifespan.
2) new lightweight roofing system seemed quite expensive as it was being put on top of a 22 year old conservatory
3) I decided to replace the conservatory with some additional brickwork (piers and lintels) new glazing all round, warm deck roof with EPDM and a roof lantern. This turned out to be the most cost effective as it was marginally more expensive than the lightweight roof system and every component was new. This should see me out 😂
Bought a house with the same type conservatory and yup it leaks... Was built by a known local dodgy builder as well so have just done a few cheap improvments to make it a bit better (flashband the gap,and fixed the felt where it was perished and met the polycarb roof). Also a ton of silicone is always worth a go!
Long term will tear it down and put an extension on the back instead, so have built a mini tray in pvc edging to catch the few places where it does drip.
Ours was like this, we had it taken off and insulated tiled roof put on, cost 4k. 4x2 timbers. They had no idea about cold, warm roofs and mould so it's left me very worried.
No flashing, jumped out at me!
We have an issue with a leaking chimney breast chimney in loft is wet after a cowboy roofer had his team made an absolute mess of what should have been a simple job. They installed a dry ridge system that they messed up and damaged leading around the chimney that can be seen from the roof window no other roofers will do a report for small claims as they don't want liability so can I go through the insurance as its been damaged by this cowboy team if not how can I sue the roofer bearing in mind no other roofers will touch it? We do have pictures of the poor ridge install where they didn't even put a Y tile on the hip just put some sealer that has also cracked.
Don't know which way to turn
Hate to say it Roger, but what you said was absolutely bang on, feel sorry for the owner, cos it'll just annoy her for ages; not much else to do except have work done on it, but it'll cost 😞
We have this type, and we are having leaks now. We have a really bad leak at the front edge, it is really bad. It started after i fitted a curtain track, i did notice when i drilled to fit the track that water came out of some of the holes, so somehow rain had got inside that top frame beam, is this a common problem?
I'd tear it down. It looks like crap.
Our con roof was damaged in a storm ins sent a company called EVANDER round their report stated that the whole roof needed replacement as it was 20 years old but the soil stack needed go be charged to pvc and a new laminate floor needed replacing due to the old cadt soil stack falling on it and damaging it. The insurance covered the whole thing it must have cost £1000s how luckily were we.
wall flashing?
Is it possible to rip the roof off and replace the beams with timber beams, say 4 by 2s, clad it with osb, then seal it all with some kind of waterproof material?
No doubt about it, that roof is at the end of its life, must be 15 plus years old. You could of course just get a quote to replace the roof like for like reusing the existing flashing at the back if its any good. A proper conservatory company would be able to under take that no probs if they are professionals.
Agree though the pitch is rather shallow, able to collect dirt, crap and hold heavy snow which doesn't really help its cause. Better to get rain and snow running off roof as quickly as you can. If funds are available then pay a bit more and go for a higher pitch version, it'll see you out for another 20 years. You won't regret it.
I have a leak in my conservatory right in the corner how van I fix it please
I'm astonished at the opaque quality of the polycarbonate, I removed some from my parent's roof when the house was sold, it had been up for 30 years or so, after cleaning it was literally as new. Also this roof looks like no useful flashing and bendy sub standard rafters/roof bars. Today my own conservatory roof is leaking in heavy rain! Appears to be coming from roof bar seals, running down to horizontal extrusion then through bolt holes behind plastic interior trim. Info may be of use to someone!
Thanks for sharing
Question. How does one seal the roof to the house wall. Should one use cavity trays with flashing? I see some people use the horrid stick on flashing but I dont see how that stops water flowing down the inner surface of the outer leaf of brickwork.
One should just use 'I' 🙄
@@makoshark7 it depends on one’s respective social strata!
The upper windows sag towards the centre. Looks like when they made it open plan and added the conservatory the walls bellow wernt supported correctly
Farmtek has new twinwall and better frames that use screws. Its all 8 and 10 now, harder to even find the older 12 and 14 sheets. EBay does have 16 foot lengths of twinwall polycarbonate by 8. It would be so light weight the support under it would be more akin to mullions. I looked around for a greenhouse myself. There is also a flexible corrugated roll of twinwall poly that is much cheaper if you can adapt it. It is another Farmtek thing. They have big agriculture catalogs of greenhouse building parts to complete.
I think tear it down and start again! It looks terrible. Someone might bodge it up for you but I bet they would offer no guarantee on it.
I can't believe how much this looks the one we inherited when we bought our 2nd home by the sea - and first thing I said is get rid. Weirdly, ours hardly leaks so it's death sentence is under reprieve, while we figure out what to replace it with. Meanwhile, think I'll stick some flashband across where it's meets the bungalow wall, to keep out any heavy rain (that spills over the side of the guttering just above it with the impossible to fix incorrect fall). Definitely not worth parting with hundreds over, let alone thousands.
How to repair a faulty join on Polycarbonate where it touches the wall if you can't walk on it without breaking it? Strangely no one talk about this common issue.
clear tarp temp?
Yeah good advice, seems like these types of structures are only really viable for those with deep pockets, and they should be made with glass. Traditional roof is the answer for your average priced home
Just replace the glazing bars and the flashing at the wall; assuming it's there. But a roofer probably wouldn't do this because they're not prepared to guarantee it.
I got this style and its horrible, im looking to convert it into a room by putting in tiles like you said.
My neighbour gave me their old upvc conservatory, used all the windows between 4x4” timber columns warm roof with a couple of farko roof lights to replace the old conservatory in mum and dad’s old house, built with Crittel iron windows and wired glass roof.
To be honest l don’t think it’s darker than the old conservatory.
My current house Mum and Dads new house has a huge wrap round conservatory with brown aluminium conservatory and that’s got tinted polycarbonate roof panels with brown glazing bars, God only knows what dad was thinking, it’s about 20 years old and the panels need replacing it’s darker than the one l’ve just rebuilt.
This rubbish should have been picked up by a pre purchase inspection.
The bad news is that whatever she does it will cost. There doesn't seem to be any form of satisfactory flashing at the head - probably just a silicone bead against the brickwork, which is less than satisfactory. Someone else has suggested that the polycarbonate be replaced with glass which I totally agree with. To my eyes, the polycarbonate isn't the only thing that has sagged - the glazing bars themselves look to have a substantial bend as well. I believe the roof should come off and be replaced with a proper system - suitable for the span, and glazed with glass. Suitably flashed to the wall. As I say however, that won't be cheap.
? what budget does she have to fix issue? as stated leaking at top edge so easy/cheapest fix is install a flashing. Seems everyone has condemned the conservatory regardless of what she can afford.
Not condemned but warned it is good money after bad. The top leak is the latest leak not the first.
We use the ultraframe 380 roof system where I work which means you can have a hybrid mix of a tile and glass finish. It gives you the affect of a full traditional roof but with the light of a conservatory. We also offer finance packages like buy now pay later.
Hello Roger I value your advice I am thinking of having a solid roof fitted to my conservatory would you fit a aluminium construction like a superlite or a wooden structure like a icotherm roof system.many thanks Pete.
Looks like it needs taking down the tip, in a nice way. If that's possible
Never fails to amaze me how thick people are.. the picture clearly shows the structure is a total pile of shite and was no doubt knocked up by Mr Bodgit and Mr Scarper.. why dodge the obvious, please don’t waste ANY money trying to do anything with things like this.. pointless.. and it’s not just the structures roof.. it’s the doors, windows, glazing not to mention the nightmare that’s behind the tiles. Im a true professional and specialist in this field and would never take a customers hard earned to do anything with things like this apart from take it down before it falls down. Just accept it, I walk away from 5 times more than I work on as I’m not a thief.
Couldn't she simply Over-Lay with those Tile-Sheets you mentioned 'over' that existing MESS - Fix it securely to the original structure there and add some flasing along the back, up into the hanging tiles ?? .... I think that would be a cost-effective way to sort it :-)
That structure is barely rated to hold up its own weight. You can't put anything on it and expect it to hold up, or pass any inspection.
Get a skip the whole conservatory is awful!
i built a conservatory about i5ys ago last year we built a new light weight roof Conclusion if you want to throw money down the drain build a conservatory
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A decent double glazing firm should be able to do a roof upgrade either glass or a "solid" roof system.
Yeah right.. on top of dilapidated doors and windows, have a word son.
Skip job
Usually pulling out saves you money