Fun fact! Vintage Dredge decks don’t play any power including black lotus. It’s pretty much completely manaless which speaks to just how strange and powerful dredge is
Marten Pretorius I haven’t seen a list that uses it but I could be wrong. Looking at the MTGgoldfish list for the vintage metagame it looks like the only thing that can produce mana is serum powder. It doesn’t even run any lands apart from bazaar of Baghdad
Weird fact I found useful in an Emry commander deck. Welding Jar is usable on the activation of Nevinyrral’s Disk. It destroys everything without sacrificing itself so it can be regenerated after the board gets wiped.
So, as this one is going live, I realized I made a mistake. I overlooked Mox Opal somehow, which should be #3. Woops. Some other FAQs: Q: Where is Mox Diamond? A: It has 37 points. Q: Where are the suspend cards from Time Spiral? A: None of them got enough points for the list Q: Where are the lands? A: I excluded lands for obvious reasons. I should have mentioned that in the video. Q: Where is Hangarback Walker in friends? A: I also excluded those, since I talked about all of them in X spells. Should have mentioned that too.
Thought it was off. Expected it and diamond. That said, that just shows how nuts cards at this cost were. Sad the legends kobalds couldn't make it. But they only really see play in one deck in legacy
Good choice to exclude the Power 9 artifacts, but I would've liked to see a note on the screen during the intro, listing out the point totals for each of them. They can't all be equal, and the comparison would be interesting.
@@KarasuGamma In vintage, I'd put the power ranking of the colors as Blue, Black, Red, White, Green historically. Now the power rankings have shifted slightly to Blue, Black, Red, Green, White. I'd still assume the order for moxes to be Sapphire, Jet, Ruby, Pearl, Emerald. That may be inaccurate though as vintage decks have only recently switched to a meta where some decks only play on color moxes.
It would be interesting to see a list of cards that _virtually_ function as a 0 mana spell. Like Gitaxian Probe, Street Wraith, Force of Will, Daze, Simian Spirit Guide, etc.
Yeah, I have addressed one category of those in my Top 10 on Pitch Spells, and talked about a lot of the Phyrexian Mana ones in the Top 10 Phyrexiana Mana video.
@@Graatand I like to say black lotus are -3 spell, cuz it is indeed a -3 spell, but ritual is just a 1 Mana spell, cuz you need to pay one... Same goes for all ritual card or rite cards. But is just me kidding though... I would never really call any spell minus cost spell...
@@frodothehobo9938 It's almost definitely lotus, moxen, recall, time walk, time spiral, in that order. I can't say for sure but this seems pretty darn likely to me.
@@kaseybennett7415 the issue with recall vs lotus can be explained very simply, that whatever you summon with lotus can be undone. You can counter, remove, unsummon, render it useless some other way. Astral recall cannot be undone, a 3 card disadvantage is steep enough to force you to play defensively from turn 1 and likely cost your opponent the entire game.
@@frodothehobo9938 yes, but more decks run lotus in vintage, plain and simple. Ancestral recall isn't as homogenous as lotus or the moxen, and that's just how it is.
i know a statement like "every single mana cost" probably only goes as high as like 8 or so but i thought it was pretty funny that it sounded like u were promising an eventual top ten video for each positive whole number
"alright guys so today we'll be covering cards with converted Mana cost 8921. #1: Rebels. Rebels was a tribal deck that sought to get increasing value using Lin Sivi..."
@@Sleepy.Ninja. He likely has also dumped all the Top 8 decks into a spreadsheet, allowing an easy score totaller. That's how I'd do it, instead of trawling through all of the results over and over, which likely took a few weeks in the first place.
@@andrewsparkes8829 Ye that would make the most sense, but would just add a database to the tool I'm trying to create instead of just pulling from a source and filtering the results. And the database would need to be updated often
@@Sleepy.Ninja. That's what I'm saying: You can do it, but it'd likely take weeks to simply add in all the 75 cards of 8 competitors from a quarter of a century's worth of more-than monthly tournaments. That's 12 months x 25 years x 8 decks x 75 cards. That's 180,000 entries you'd need to fill in, at a minimum. Good luck getting that done in the timespan of a uni project!
My favorite 0 cost card is the good, old-fashioned Ornithopter. 0/2 Flying for 0, perfect free wall to block incoming attacks, and I love the classic art. When you do the Converted Mana Cost of 4 video, I'd love to hear your opinion on the Su-Chi. It's a 4/4 for 4, and when it dies, you get 4 colorless mana in your mana pool. I never hear anyone talk about Su-Chi.
I was really looking forward to knowing how many points black lotus has with your scoring system! I know it will beat out Ancestral Recall which is in the 600's, but I'd love to know exactly how much.
@@NizzahonMagic Based on the system you have with points. I feel that you cant ignore power nine just cuz its boring for the list. Make them all collectively number 1, thats enough. Also, I know you account for the times, but still. Slaughter Pact? Mentioning a hive mind doesn't really matter, thats a combo with any of them and mostly with pact of negation.
It is powerful,but I feel like ornithopter has the edge over it since it has evasion in the form of flying. I'm still a big fan of the card though,the artwork is great.
The quote on Lotus Petal: "Hard to imagine, such a lovely flower inspiring such greed." Wonder if that is a comment on the insane cost of buying a copy of the real Black Lotus.
Appreciate the content! Like the guy asking for top 10 vintage cards minus power 9, I'm gonna keep asking because I'm veru curious and I think it would make a good top 10: Top 10 common cards?
Old guy bias here, but I was a bit surprised Zuran Orb didn't make it into the top 10 (though when I realized Mox Diamond didn't, either, I was suddenly much less surprised.)
I am very surprised that there was hide no hair of any 0 drop cards that are in a Cheerios deck. I figured Cheerios dose well enough that it would be like a number 10 or 9.
@@NizzahonMagic valid point. when watching the video I didn't realize how many powerful cards were zero drops. And it's all good! I didn't mean to come off as upset about them not making the last it was just surprising. Also some of the stuff in Cheerios is too new. With like MOX opal, MOX Amber, the myriad of equipments, etc etc. Maybe in a couple years they'll catch up idk. Though I do at the ask? did any of them make the top 20?
Neither lands nor suspend-only cards have mana costs. It's not that they have a CMC of 0, it's that they don't have a CMC, period. It doesn't exist. You specifically need the 0 mana symbol ( or have a mana cost of only X ) to have a CMC of zero - if that's missing, then the card has no CMC in any shape or form. Fun thing to note is that cards without mana costs can't be cast without some other form alternative cost. Lands get around this by being lands, not spells, so you don't play them by casting them in the first place - but if there was another type of card with no mana cost nor any other form of cost ( probably because it somehow got that text removed through another effect ) then it'd be impossible to play without circumventing casting it via a reanimation effect or something.
Not having a mana cost is the same as having a cmc of 0 as per game rules. Both of the examples I gave lack a mana cost but have a cmc of 0. If it was how you say it works, tolaria west wouldn't work. See 702.52a and 202.3a in Comprehensive rules.
@@hi-i-am-atan even if that was true, then both hangerback walker and walking balsa are missing as both have over 45 points last they were mentioned in one of his top 10s.
@@vivecanada1 Well, that's completely baffling. I get that logically, you end up paying 0 mana anyway if the card doesn't have a mana cost, but ... then the card could just cost 0 and be a thousand times more intuitive. The fact that the idea of cards that lack mana costs exists in MtG even though they're functionally identical to cards with mana costs just feels _wrong_ and is only that way for the sake stuff like being able to put Transmute on a land instead of a functionally identical ability that can search 0 CMC cards and lands.
Can you do a list ranking the power 9 on their points, or maybe some way to see the score of any given card? Top 10 scoring cards in all of magic? I’d be so interested
Lovuschka 1:I’m also a fan of chess great content ! 2: Throw in another super powerful vintage card at 10 like Tolerian academy or even a joke mention like the basic lands😂
How does lions eye diomand yawgomth will combo work? If you play yawgmoth will you cant put cards in you graveyard anymore, and if you sac you eye you cant play the will
So I guess we're not counting X spells which have a CMC of 0? Not sure if they'd make the list, but Walking Balista, Chalice of the Void & Engineered Explosives seem like possible contenders if all CMC=0 cards were counted.
So just to clarify.. We're talking about nonland (!) cards with CMC 0, right? ;) (I do get that's the point of this list, but it should be mentioned imho.)
Amulet Titan banned out of existence? Sure, it got heavily weakened, but it is literally one of the most played decks in modern right now. Amulet Titan is among Eldrazi Tron and Whirza Oko decks in the top share of the meta.
It is fairly obvious that he meant Bloom Titan, which was banned out of existence. That deck then became Amulet Titan, which does not run Hive Mind and will not kill their opponent with a zero mana spell.
yeah well mox diamond is just the latest casualty of the buyout trend by predators of the reserved list www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2018/04/mtg-reserved-list-buyout-blues/
Place 1: Black Lotus Place 2-9: Rest of Power Nine Place 10: Ornithopter "For this reason I have excluded the Power Nine" - fair enough! EDIT: Ok, with the Power Nine banned, Ornithopter is only at Place 4. I am shocked!
@@a.velderrain8849 Oops. :-) BTW, fun fact. I prefer to play my 5 CMC counter for 0 (Force of Will) instead of playing my 0 CMC counter for 5 later (Pact of Negation).
dude THANK YOU for skipping the Power 9. I've seen too many "strongest cards ever" lists where the top 9 are.....the Power 9. We all know how strong they are, just honorable mention them
Also, amulet titan didn’t get “banned out of existence”. It’s literally a top 3 deck *right now*. That version isn’t good, but amulet Titan is very real.
Lions eye diamond plus yawgmoth will... still sucks for me. Why not just use Yawgmoths will without the lion eyes diamond? It’s less convoluted and has the same output
Lol yeah, I'm not big on modern, legacy or vintage, i mostly play commander so when i saw mana crypt at 2 i was like "wait, what's more played than that." Amd when i saw 1st place i was like "I've never seen this before"
There are a LOT of extremely powerful graveyard effects in older formats. It turns out 0 mana "your opponent loses their win condition" makes for a pretty good sideboard card.
You should have had all the 0 drop creatures in a single position in my opinion. There are about 5 zero drop creatures and while 1 of them is a Defender creature i can only see putting the Ornathropter at a different position because it is the best zero drop creature. I do hope that WotC have plans to make a "colored" zero drop creature so we don't just have artifact creatures being the only zero drops.
The consistency of slaughter is a tad bit higher than negation since killing a creature while also having 2 and a black usually comes up more often than the need to stop a spell and have a whopping 3 and 2 blue. Negation just can't resolve safely (Having 5 mana on your next upkeep) consistently enough.
Fun fact! Vintage Dredge decks don’t play any power including black lotus. It’s pretty much completely manaless which speaks to just how strange and powerful dredge is
Good point
@@5cmain207 the more powerful version of One With Nothing
Marten Pretorius I haven’t seen a list that uses it but I could be wrong. Looking at the MTGgoldfish list for the vintage metagame it looks like the only thing that can produce mana is serum powder. It doesn’t even run any lands apart from bazaar of Baghdad
I mean, theres also the cost barrier...
Weird fact I found useful in an Emry commander deck.
Welding Jar is usable on the activation of Nevinyrral’s Disk. It destroys everything without sacrificing itself so it can be regenerated after the board gets wiped.
So, as this one is going live, I realized I made a mistake. I overlooked Mox Opal somehow, which should be #3. Woops.
Some other FAQs:
Q: Where is Mox Diamond?
A: It has 37 points.
Q: Where are the suspend cards from Time Spiral?
A: None of them got enough points for the list
Q: Where are the lands?
A: I excluded lands for obvious reasons. I should have mentioned that in the video.
Q: Where is Hangarback Walker in friends?
A: I also excluded those, since I talked about all of them in X spells. Should have mentioned that too.
Thought it was off. Expected it and diamond. That said, that just shows how nuts cards at this cost were.
Sad the legends kobalds couldn't make it. But they only really see play in one deck in legacy
you also said amulet titan has been banned out of existence, which really isnt true
I did wonder what was up with that XD
@@luna6315 the hivemind version was banned out of existence with the banning of summer bloom
@@garrettdamron2226 The current versions can still run Hivemind and occasionally do.
When Lotus Petal is #10 you know we’re looking at a high-power list.
Good choice to exclude the Power 9 artifacts, but I would've liked to see a note on the screen during the intro, listing out the point totals for each of them. They can't all be equal, and the comparison would be interesting.
Pretty sure they would all be equal, since every Vintage deck worth its salt runs a copy of all of them.
Black Lotus is number 1 by a mile, with Mox Sapphire being a distant second.
Those two are obvious, but not the rest.
@@KarasuGamma In vintage, I'd put the power ranking of the colors as Blue, Black, Red, White, Green historically. Now the power rankings have shifted slightly to Blue, Black, Red, Green, White. I'd still assume the order for moxes to be Sapphire, Jet, Ruby, Pearl, Emerald. That may be inaccurate though as vintage decks have only recently switched to a meta where some decks only play on color moxes.
It would be perfectly reasonable to say Lotus is number 1, all Moxen share number 2.
It would be interesting to see a list of cards that _virtually_ function as a 0 mana spell. Like Gitaxian Probe, Street Wraith, Force of Will, Daze, Simian Spirit Guide, etc.
Yeah, I have addressed one category of those in my Top 10 on Pitch Spells, and talked about a lot of the Phyrexian Mana ones in the Top 10 Phyrexiana Mana video.
@Nizzahon Magic,
Hmm... true. There might be a bit too much overlap.
isn't Simian Spirit Guide a "-1" cost spell? lol
@Xiaoyu Yin,
Would you also call Dark Ritual a -2 cost spell and Black Lotus a -3 cost spell?
@@Graatand I like to say black lotus are -3 spell, cuz it is indeed a -3 spell, but ritual is just a 1 Mana spell, cuz you need to pay one... Same goes for all ritual card or rite cards. But is just me kidding though... I would never really call any spell minus cost spell...
That guy who keeps requesting "Top 10 power 9" must be so sad after hearing Nizzahon say the power 9 is excluded here.
Yeah I felt a little bad when I made the decision to do that haha.
Its a silly request. Astral recall is #1 followed by black lotus and time walk then the gems in a random order. Video done.
@@frodothehobo9938 It's almost definitely lotus, moxen, recall, time walk, time spiral, in that order. I can't say for sure but this seems pretty darn likely to me.
@@kaseybennett7415 the issue with recall vs lotus can be explained very simply, that whatever you summon with lotus can be undone. You can counter, remove, unsummon, render it useless some other way. Astral recall cannot be undone, a 3 card disadvantage is steep enough to force you to play defensively from turn 1 and likely cost your opponent the entire game.
@@frodothehobo9938 yes, but more decks run lotus in vintage, plain and simple. Ancestral recall isn't as homogenous as lotus or the moxen, and that's just how it is.
i know a statement like "every single mana cost" probably only goes as high as like 8 or so but i thought it was pretty funny that it sounded like u were promising an eventual top ten video for each positive whole number
Well, 15-16 could be the same episode, though I'm not sure if Draco actually has any points...
Andrew Amann: Kitchen Table points are BEST points!
"alright guys so today we'll be covering cards with converted Mana cost 8921. #1: Rebels. Rebels was a tribal deck that sought to get increasing value using Lin Sivi..."
@@andrewamann8855 Actually, I think there was a deck that used Draco and a card called Erratic Explosion that got a single top 8.
Hey, this is where the Moxen are! You even mentioned them!
*Now that's a segue into Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9).*
Hey Nizzahon, where do you get your scores from. I'm looking to make a tool as a uni project that automatically works out the score of a certain card.
He gets his scores from tournament results
@@altaria563 I know he gets them from score results, I was wondering if there was a website that hosts all the results in one place.
@@Sleepy.Ninja. He likely has also dumped all the Top 8 decks into a spreadsheet, allowing an easy score totaller. That's how I'd do it, instead of trawling through all of the results over and over, which likely took a few weeks in the first place.
@@andrewsparkes8829 Ye that would make the most sense, but would just add a database to the tool I'm trying to create instead of just pulling from a source and filtering the results. And the database would need to be updated often
@@Sleepy.Ninja. That's what I'm saying: You can do it, but it'd likely take weeks to simply add in all the 75 cards of 8 competitors from a quarter of a century's worth of more-than monthly tournaments. That's 12 months x 25 years x 8 decks x 75 cards. That's 180,000 entries you'd need to fill in, at a minimum. Good luck getting that done in the timespan of a uni project!
Tormod's Crypt was also printed in Time Spiral block, as a Timeshifted card. The More You Know.
Tormod's Crypt: auto-included in every EDH deck I make. I have so many copies of that card that its just insane that it made it to #1 on the list
Also at present lotus petal is still restricted in vintage. Only in legacy can you play x4 of them.
mageius and pauper
why though, not sure why is it banned...
My favorite 0 cost card is the good, old-fashioned Ornithopter. 0/2 Flying for 0, perfect free wall to block incoming attacks, and I love the classic art.
When you do the Converted Mana Cost of 4 video, I'd love to hear your opinion on the Su-Chi. It's a 4/4 for 4, and when it dies, you get 4 colorless mana in your mana pool. I never hear anyone talk about Su-Chi.
Ornithopter! First MtG card I was ever aware of seeing :D
Ornithopter: see enduring renewal
Enduring Renewal: see ashnods alter
Ashnods Alter: see ornithopter
I was really looking forward to knowing how many points black lotus has with your scoring system! I know it will beat out Ancestral Recall which is in the 600's, but I'd love to know exactly how much.
Let's be honest affinity is still acceptable in modern however it hasn't been tier one on years
Especially nowadays with collecter ouphe existing at all.
I'm shocked at the lack of Mishra's Bauble and Summoner's Pact.
Yeah, both only in 30s
@@NizzahonMagic I uh, dont get your metrics despite their explanation, but ok. Summoners over Slaughter in tge list ANY day personally.
@@108108qwerty Based on?
@@NizzahonMagic
Based on the system you have with points.
I feel that you cant ignore power nine just cuz its boring for the list. Make them all collectively number 1, thats enough.
Also, I know you account for the times, but still. Slaughter Pact? Mentioning a hive mind doesn't really matter, thats a combo with any of them and mostly with pact of negation.
@@108108qwerty That doesn't make sense. Based on my system, the cards are ranked correctly.
Phyrexian Walker is underrated. A 0/3 Artifact Creature - Construct for 0 is great. I thought it would of been reprinted at least once since Visions.
It is powerful,but I feel like ornithopter has the edge over it since it has evasion in the form of flying. I'm still a big fan of the card though,the artwork is great.
@@oddjob4212 well ya, it flies ;)
Mycosynth Golem + artifact lands + memnites is just insane ramp sometimes.
agree
4:28 I'm guessing if you haven't played a land yet on your turn, you could cast a land from your graveyard in addition to a spell.
Yep.
Best card with CMC 0 is actually...
Island
The quote on Lotus Petal: "Hard to imagine, such a lovely flower inspiring such greed."
Wonder if that is a comment on the insane cost of buying a copy of the real Black Lotus.
This is late, but I'm sure it was. And to think back when lotus petal was printed in Tempest a nice unlimited black lotus was only around $250.
Is it bad that I kind of want to see a deck that is just the power nine and door to nothingness with some control?
Yes.
Instead, look up Max Mox! Its wubrg STORM, using paradoxical outcome and grapeshot. Shits dumb
This video was turned into a 3/3 Elk.
Appreciate the content! Like the guy asking for top 10 vintage cards minus power 9, I'm gonna keep asking because I'm veru curious and I think it would make a good top 10: Top 10 common cards?
Very interesting. Good call on putting power 9 as honorable mention
Old guy bias here, but I was a bit surprised Zuran Orb didn't make it into the top 10 (though when I realized Mox Diamond didn't, either, I was suddenly much less surprised.)
I would think some cards with X in their mana costs would constitute a 0 cmc, like Walking Ballista.
I am very surprised that there was hide no hair of any 0 drop cards that are in a Cheerios deck. I figured Cheerios dose well enough that it would be like a number 10 or 9.
This list is stacked. No room for those, they just have a handful of points
@@NizzahonMagic valid point. when watching the video I didn't realize how many powerful cards were zero drops. And it's all good! I didn't mean to come off as upset about them not making the last it was just surprising. Also some of the stuff in Cheerios is too new. With like MOX opal, MOX Amber, the myriad of equipments, etc etc. Maybe in a couple years they'll catch up idk. Though I do at the ask? did any of them make the top 20?
Great content as always! Suggestion for a top 10 : best meta-relevant sideboard cards!
1:46 you must not know much about vintage. Unpowered eldrazi was a big deal a few years ago.
Always enjoy your top 10s whole I enjoy my coffee in the morning!!
Glad to hear it!
Can someone please say what the opening music is? 🙂
Surprised at the lack of Summoner's Pact here.
Maybe if Neobrand/Titan decks put up more results going forward Summoner's Pact might make it up there
only card that surprised me by not being on this list is mox diamond, wonder what it's points are
It has 37 points.
Since this is cmc equals 0, where are the basic lands?
Or any of the suspend only cards like ancestral visions
Neither lands nor suspend-only cards have mana costs. It's not that they have a CMC of 0, it's that they don't have a CMC, period. It doesn't exist. You specifically need the 0 mana symbol ( or have a mana cost of only X ) to have a CMC of zero - if that's missing, then the card has no CMC in any shape or form.
Fun thing to note is that cards without mana costs can't be cast without some other form alternative cost. Lands get around this by being lands, not spells, so you don't play them by casting them in the first place - but if there was another type of card with no mana cost nor any other form of cost ( probably because it somehow got that text removed through another effect ) then it'd be impossible to play without circumventing casting it via a reanimation effect or something.
Not having a mana cost is the same as having a cmc of 0 as per game rules. Both of the examples I gave lack a mana cost but have a cmc of 0. If it was how you say it works, tolaria west wouldn't work. See 702.52a and 202.3a in Comprehensive rules.
@@hi-i-am-atan even if that was true, then both hangerback walker and walking balsa are missing as both have over 45 points last they were mentioned in one of his top 10s.
@@vivecanada1 Well, that's completely baffling. I get that logically, you end up paying 0 mana anyway if the card doesn't have a mana cost, but ... then the card could just cost 0 and be a thousand times more intuitive. The fact that the idea of cards that lack mana costs exists in MtG even though they're functionally identical to cards with mana costs just feels _wrong_ and is only that way for the sake stuff like being able to put Transmute on a land instead of a functionally identical ability that can search 0 CMC cards and lands.
Can you do a list ranking the power 9 on their points, or maybe some way to see the score of any given card? Top 10 scoring cards in all of magic? I’d be so interested
Top 10 Power Nine Cards.
"I only found nine."
Lovuschka 1:I’m also a fan of chess great content ! 2: Throw in another super powerful vintage card at 10 like Tolerian academy or even a joke mention like the basic lands😂
@@jacksonchaffin2518 Island needs to be banned anyway. It completely dominates all formats.
How does lions eye diomand yawgomth will combo work? If you play yawgmoth will you cant put cards in you graveyard anymore, and if you sac you eye you cant play the will
Play Lion's Eye Diamond, then cast Yawgmoth's Will. While Yawgmoth's Will is on the stack, sac the Lion's Eye Diamond.
I'm going crazy. I thought he had done a cmc 1 list at some point
Could you/have you done best one drops?
Yes he has.
I'm going to call if now, walking ballista is #1.
Maybe next year
I excluded XX and X from this list, mostly because I covered those elsewhere.
RIP in spaghoot.
@Nizzahon, can you put links to either a playlist or the previous video in "sets" like this?
There is a playlist link at the end of the video
Silly me. I have this bad habit of commenting before the video is over. My apologies
My favorite 0 mana spell is definitely Black Lotus. I always include it in any deck I'm running.
I am very surprised mox opal didnt make this list. very interesting and good to know :)
Thats because of a mistake! Read the pinned comment haha
@@NizzahonMagic my bad lol
I think it’s fine to include the power 9 but include all the moxen as one slot
Amazing, I would have expected Pact of Negation to be higher than Slaughter Pact.
I'm trying to build a land free deck (casual but looking for a win condition) and this is super helpful.
Gunna be expense tho....
Would you be able to put the prices for the cards too or would that be too much work? Cool videos btw! Definitely subscribed
What about Spellbook? It a 0 drop for no max hand that’s perfect for self mils.
It has 0 points.
The moxen and lotus are also legal in canadian highlander
My favorites are Phyrexian Walker and Shield Sphere, much better play.
Do they still honor mail-in for the novel for Mana Crypt?
So I guess we're not counting X spells which have a CMC of 0?
Not sure if they'd make the list, but Walking Balista, Chalice of the Void & Engineered Explosives seem like possible contenders if all CMC=0 cards were counted.
If they were counted, those all, plus Hangarback Walker would have made the list.
@@NizzahonMagic Thanks for the info. A friend and I try to guess the lists before we watch each video for fun.
So just to clarify.. We're talking about nonland (!) cards with CMC 0, right? ;)
(I do get that's the point of this list, but it should be mentioned imho.)
Yeah, I should have mentioned it.
You should do a Top 10 Mana increasers. Crds like Dark Ritual and Seething song and such.
Did you took into account colorless X spells like waking ballista?
No, I didn't include them because I already did a video that featured all of them haha
Minor mistake: you said cards when you meant spells/nonland cards in the beginning of the video.
Timestamp: 0:38
Most of these are great in EDH as well!
Amulet Titan banned out of existence? Sure, it got heavily weakened, but it is literally one of the most played decks in modern right now. Amulet Titan is among Eldrazi Tron and Whirza Oko decks in the top share of the meta.
It is fairly obvious that he meant Bloom Titan, which was banned out of existence. That deck then became Amulet Titan, which does not run Hive Mind and will not kill their opponent with a zero mana spell.
@@villesaari there are several amulet titan builds that run hive mind. Its is kinda a meta thing but there are builds that run it.
I am surprised that Mox Diamond and Mox Opal did not crack the top 10.
A whole deck of Memnite like cards might work :)
Very surprised that Mox diamond didn't make the cut. Oddly enough its more expensive than any of these cards.
yeah well mox diamond is just the latest casualty of the buyout trend by predators of the reserved list
www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2018/04/mtg-reserved-list-buyout-blues/
I see you listened to my suggestion. ;)
Still waiting for negative mana costed cards. Something like -1G sac one forest cast said card.
Place 1: Black Lotus
Place 2-9: Rest of Power Nine
Place 10: Ornithopter
"For this reason I have excluded the Power Nine" - fair enough!
EDIT: Ok, with the Power Nine banned, Ornithopter is only at Place 4. I am shocked!
Except that 3 of the Power Nine have converted Mana cost greater than 0, so they couldn't make it on the list anyways.
@@a.velderrain8849 Oops. :-)
BTW, fun fact. I prefer to play my 5 CMC counter for 0 (Force of Will) instead of playing my 0 CMC counter for 5 later (Pact of Negation).
He has been known to put cards from the same cycle on the same place.
Ornithopter is also amazing in ninjitsu decks
Hangarback walker?
Please make a top 10 color combinations in tournaments video, that'd be great!
no mox opal?
Another great video. Thanks.
dude THANK YOU for skipping the Power 9. I've seen too many "strongest cards ever" lists where the top 9 are.....the Power 9. We all know how strong they are, just honorable mention them
When was amulet titan banned
Summer Bloom was banned in 2016. Amulet Titan still exists, but it isnt the same deck without the Bloom.
Technically all cards with cost X or XX have cmc of 0 👀
This list makes the counterspell Nyx look viable :D
Nix
@@oliverwilson11 whoops my bad, it's Nix indeed :)
You should have mention the 3/3 black lotus elk
Bazaar Aggro makes it so they no longer see play in literally all vintage decks :D
Aaahw, where are my Kobolds of Kher Keep?? I miss them :(
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Lord, what Standard did Lotus Petal not see play in
Lotus Petal is now restricted again at Vintage
A note: power 9 is not played in every vintage deck. dredge is rather prominent, and features no 0 cost artifacts.
Also, amulet titan didn’t get “banned out of existence”. It’s literally a top 3 deck *right now*. That version isn’t good, but amulet Titan is very real.
Yeah, I meant Bloom Titan, which ran Hive Mind. So the Titan deck relevant to the card I was discussing.
Wait, no mox opal?
Amulet Titan wasn't banned out of existence. It's the most popular deck in modern
Well, the version that ran Hive Mind got banned when Summer Bloom got banned. I should have been more specific.
Ornithopter, add up the PT/MC top 8 and the GP top 8
Lions eye diamond plus yawgmoth will... still sucks for me. Why not just use Yawgmoths will without the lion eyes diamond? It’s less convoluted and has the same output
Keep in mind that if you do it right, you recast the Diamond, so you get 6 mana and two to storm count
Ohhh I forgot the Diamond goes to the graveyard... That’s actually makes sense now. Thanks
My roommate just got a slaughter pact and has lost to me twice due to forgetting to pay the mana cost 😂
Oh wow number 1 was unexpected
Lol yeah, I'm not big on modern, legacy or vintage, i mostly play commander so when i saw mana crypt at 2 i was like "wait, what's more played than that." Amd when i saw 1st place i was like "I've never seen this before"
1:50 and commander
So, why are they called the power nine if there are six of them?
Urza Master Artificer approves this video..
Never anticipated Crypt at #1...
There are a LOT of extremely powerful graveyard effects in older formats. It turns out 0 mana "your opponent loses their win condition" makes for a pretty good sideboard card.
You should have had all the 0 drop creatures in a single position in my opinion. There are about 5 zero drop creatures and while 1 of them is a Defender creature i can only see putting the Ornathropter at a different position because it is the best zero drop creature. I do hope that WotC have plans to make a "colored" zero drop creature so we don't just have artifact creatures being the only zero drops.
Kobolds?
before starting the vid, Im gonna guess Gitaxian Probe and Lions Eye Diamond to make the list
Probes technically CMC 1, even if it may as well be 0
No Mox Grokus?
Ya missed the strongest 0-cmc card in Magic...
It's Island.
instant panic when it comes out
I love tormod's crypt
One of the Mox as number 1?
I swear before I watch Cheerios gonna take some
Just use that lion eye with Tamiyo:)
Huh, I expected negation to be higher than slaughter for some reason.
The consistency of slaughter is a tad bit higher than negation since killing a creature while also having 2 and a black usually comes up more often than the need to stop a spell and have a whopping 3 and 2 blue. Negation just can't resolve safely (Having 5 mana on your next upkeep) consistently enough.
@@w47765 I just thought that being better at protecting combos outweighs that, making the cost less important.